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tonyryan43 8 months ago
Just to correct the alarming miscomprehensions of 'freedom fighter 4 the planet':

Every day, we hear references to democracy: parliamentary democracy, Westminster democracy, Australian democracy, representational democracy, and democratic majorities. And, of course, we have America’s special legacy to the burning nations it recently invaded and occupied… George Bush’s freedom and democracy; now Obama's.

These phrases are calculated misrepresentations; what we should more accurately describe as products of public relations, propaganda, indoctrination, misinformation or brainwashing; depending upon preferred vocabulary. What we must become reconciled to is that this word, in the context of contemporary politics, has nothing to do with genuine democracy.

As for the poor Australians, one would not be in cerebral overload if one wondered about the meaning of Kevin Rudd’s cherished Australian democracy, while he routinely overrules 80% of Australians in virtually every issue, while obsequiously positioning himself to be the President of China’s new Australian colony.

This is the same “democracy” that the US has trumpeted loudly while it plundered the resources of the 43 sovereign nations that it militarily invaded since 1946; overthrowing governments supported by the overwhelming majority of inhabitants.

Once examined more closely, it is not difficult to conclude that this version of ‘democracy’ is not compulsively desirable; a conclusion which has led many of the world’s youth to declare that “democracy is not what it’s cracked up to be”. Of course, what they disparage is not democracy at all. They are justly criticizing various forms of representationalism, in which people are ruled by elected politicians, or by oligarchies or dictators.

What all of this demonstrates is the devastating impact of media-borne propaganda.

The more logical conclusion; that politicians who are otherwise noted for their lies, distortions, oppression, hegemony, torture and genocides, would be most unlikely to favour Government of the people, by the people and for the people, somehow does not occur to us.

Although popular media and government-owned TV stations never discuss this, the truth is that the source of this anti-democracy propaganda is highly organized and extremely well resourced; a fact now recognised on thousands of Internet sites; the only truly free media.

This powerful source of misinformation is a loose consortium of international bankers, led by the Rockefeller and Rothschild families; and by the seven global media owning families and corporations, particularly Warner, MGM, Time-Life, Disney and Rupert Murdoch. These represent an even more camouflaged elite who are united in the belief that they are born to rule the world. This is allied to the ancient aristocracy, who were largely forced underground by the French, American and European Revolutions and by subsequent universal rejection of inherited political and economic power. By 1850, with the Rothschild link with America’s plutocracy forged, this became the manipulating power behind governments whose presence most of us have become vaguely aware of in more recent times.

What few have ever suspected is the vast extent of wealth that finances public indoctrination in every nation; literally trillions of dollars. For example, as readily and publicly admitted by David Rockefeller, all spontaneous social movements that have emerged since 1970, no matter how legitimate their cause, have been subsumed and manipulated to serve the objectives of one part of this elite or the other. Thus it was that the women’s movement of the late 1960s, very reasonably demanding equal rights and equal opportunity, became suddenly diverted into a drive to replace men altogether and to promote the concept of the single family. This anthropological coup was easily managed by the media and orchestrated by compliant politicians and by the United Nations; which was, we should recall, established by the Rockefeller family.

Contrary to the peace-seeking vision of the UN presented to us by our gullible and well-indoctrinated school teachers, the United Nations was established by Nelson Rockefeller, and its headquarters installed on Rockefeller-owned land in New York. Moreover, the funds managed by the UN agencies: the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the Bank for International Settlements, are owned and controlled by the same Rockefeller-Rothschild alliance. And the US Federal Reserve, like all other institutions around the world, including the Bank of England, are all owned by these same entities; who also direct the activities of the World Trade Organisation.

Thus it has been, that all apparently spontaneous social movements; such as multiculturalism, refugee rights, gay rights and feminism, have been funded and controlled by the global political elite. David Rockefeller does not deny this, and is, as he said, “proud of it”.

The corporate motivation for its part in social manipulation is recognition that family and democracy are the prime units of social cohesion of all societies, and are the sources of values seen to be in direct conflict with globalist corporate ambitions. Very correctly, parents have been identified as the high priests of respect, love and loyalty, and are the genesis of all consumer resistance; therefore parents are the declared enemy.

In retrospect, we may see that since the establishment of the United Nations, national government’s have become oligarchic, authoritarian and elitist; and policies increasingly violate the real rights of parents and children, whilst pretending to create these rights. Accordingly, the state is gradually assuming control and responsibility for child nurturing. In more tangible terms, since the UN brokered the termination of dedicated teachers training colleges, this role has been delivered to universities that are now mere appendages of UNESCO; with the primary objective of training teachers and social workers to severe the intergenerational transfer of values.

We may readily appreciate that the primary obstacles to the corporate-desired New World Order are Family and Democracy. This is the reason why the meaning of the word democracy has been under sustained attack, successfully reversing the meaning in many people’s minds, from government by electoral consensus, into government by elites who purport to represent the people.

Most assuredly, in the not too distant future, we will hear that ‘democracy’ has failed and must be replaced with something more practical; like a benign world dictatorship.

The promoters of the new philosophy are somewhat coy about the language used to describe their vision of the future, but disillusioned insiders have described it as neo-feudalism; a return to the age of lords and serfs.

Very clearly, we would be wise to review this situation and calculate where our social and historical navigation went wrong.

What is known about real democracy?

The first question we should ask ourselves is what do we really know about democracy? Unfortunately, books on the subject appear to have disappeared from public libraries, so the prevailing confusion is eminently understandable.

Our oldest record of democracy goes back to ancient Greece, which in fact was only a partial democracy wherein a mere 18.5% of the population had the right to vote. All other people; that is, all women, children, aliens and slaves had no right to vote. Only men, both of whose parents were Athenians, were eligible. But even this information is being obscured. Wikipedia and other popular sources of information provide a distorted version of this history.

We are discouraged or prevented from learning about historical democracies because for the ruling elite this is an inconvenient truth. Nevertheless, imperfect as Greek democracy was, we should not simply dismiss it as irrelevant. The Athenians utilized democracy’s essential principles and, as a result, were politically and culturally ascendant for four remarkable centuries.

What is omitted from mainstream knowledge is that the ancient Greeks had a culture within which a major determinant for action centered on the powerful ethic of actively representing their countrymen and women.

Thus, voting councilors felt irresistibly compelled to visit their family and vassals and reveal their constituent’s true feelings and aspirations regarding the current circumstances and future of Greece. There was considerable pride in achieving this level of representation, and implacable contempt for those who could not. We gain the most enlightening insight into their values, and to the extent of historical distortion, when we read the funeral oratory of Thucydides, following the death of Pericles.

“We do not copy our neighbours (other nations), but are an example to them. It is true that we are called a democracy, for the administration is in the hands of the many and not of the few.

But while the law secures equal justice to all alike in their civil disputes, the claim of personal excellence and integrity is also recognised; thus, when a citizen is in anyway distinguished, he is appointed to the public service, not as a matter of privilege, but as the reward of merit.

Neither is poverty a barrier. A man may contribute to the uplifting of his country regardless of the obscurity of his origin or circumstances. We are prevented from doing the wrong thing by respect for the authority of the nation and for the laws, having a special regard for those which are initiated for the protection of the aged and the infirm, as well as to those unwritten laws which bring upon the transgressor of them the stern reprobation of the community.

An Athenian citizen does not neglect the state because he is committed to his own affairs; and even those of us who are preoccupied with commerce have a very fair idea of politics.

We alone, of the peoples of the world, regard a man who takes no interest in public affairs, not as a harmless person, but as a useless character. And, even if few of us are original thinkers and initiators, we are all sound judges of policy”.

What would Thucydides think of our noble Australian manhood, whose thoughts rarely divert from football or cricket; or our fair ladies as they immerse themselves in the wisdom of Cosmo or New Idea? And, to those foreigners who bray a derisory laugh, is there not a pervading demographic equivalent in every western nation?

What made ancient Greece great was that this quasi-democracy, reinforced by a culture of almost obsessive consensus, was able to harness the entire knowledge, experience and wisdom of its citizenry. The power of this is incalculable, but not unknown; we call it people power.

Utilising people power, Greece was able to defeat the mighty Persians, who were handicapped by a hierarchy with all power at the top; a scenario which ensured sycophancy and corruption.

Sound familiar?

In spite of contemporary elites repressing our knowledge of history, it is still possible to read about other great democracies. The Irish Monks were our great first-millennia documenters, and most of us harbor vague recollections of these people, but few of us are aware that most of these monks were married and had families, and about a third were women; and the greatest monk of all was a woman (somewhat giving the lie to the historical revisionism of Rockefeller’s divisive feminists).

This was Greater Europe of the 4th to the 9th centuries; a time when Ireland alone rescued and preserved all knowledge of ancient Greece and Rome, and was the cultural hub of Europe. The Monks traveled the known world, recording cultures, knowledge and collected wisdoms and dispersed these amongst all peoples. Ireland of this time was a democracy; the kings, inherited clan chieftains of old, were the administrators and executives, but their role was exclusively the implementation of the will of the people. A similar regime operated in then contemporary Finland, and is still echoed in the culture of the Sámi.

This Age of Enlightenment and Peace was terminated by the Holy Vatican of Rome, firstly when it imposed celibacy on the Monks; then with the violent launching of a regime of enforced ignorance, repression, poverty, torture, hegemony, ritualised execution (burnings at the stake and garroting) and institutionalised war and genocides.

Although the Vatican has been anxious to forestall even the most casual of glances at the first millennia Age of Enlightenment, by shrouding this era with the designation, Dark Ages; in fact, the true Dark Ages commenced with the defeat of European democracy and continued for more than a thousand years. This was a time of debauched and murderous Popes, as many as four ruling in competition during one period, and the theft of the wealth of all prosperous people, under the guise of eliminating heretics.

Rome continues to wage a global war against democracy, even in Australia (ie the overturning of the NT’s voluntary euthanasia legislation, supported by 90% of the Northern Territory population). And, in collaboration with the CIA, there was the assassination of the thirteen South American rebel priests who had established Liberation Theology, which redefined Christianity as defending the poor from exploitation by the rich.

The European democracies, as did ancient Greece, embraced many millions of peaceful citizens over a period of four hundred years; which speaks persuasively as to the efficacy and practicality of consensus government. However, the Greek and European democracies were both preceded by eminently more purist models. By looking at the cultures of Australian Aborigines, the Kung of Africa and the Inuit of the far northern American continent, we can observe that democracy is actually the natural continuity of human social organisation.

We would do well to at least glance at these cultures; and where else but at Australia? We will present some detail here because it may balance in some way the diminished, trivialized, politicised and degraded version of culture presented by the pseudo Aborigines who now dominate the media.

While this brief article has no interest in launching anthropological civil war, it should nevertheless be recognised that, unlike their colleagues in every other country in the world, few Australian anthropologists bothered to learn Aboriginal languages. This entirely discredits their interpretations of Aboriginal culture.

It is not possible to develop an insight into an alien culture without first learning its language(s). The Pidgin English used instead was, and is, entirely useless, as was pointed out by eminent and conscientious anthropologist, Elkin, some seventy years ago. Little wonder modern anthropologists and black arm-band historians vilify him.

However, a few ordinary Australians did try to learn languages and these people developed a picture entirely at variance to the academic model. One of the insights to emerge was of a non-hierarchical people who made decisions by initiating consensus protocols. These operated simply and very effectively on a single principle: all decisions involve focus on a geographical location, therefore the person whose spirit had its origins in that location launched the consensus process. Because each person’s personal name denoted his spiritual origins (and still does), ascription was easily identified.

Initiating consensus simply requires verbalising the essential question by the person with the appropriate name (the consensus process designate). This usually takes the form of neutral references to supposed advantages or disadvantages of the full range of options and becomes the signal for every man, woman and child to commence discussion.

The protocol initiator will eventually observe that absolute consensus has developed, and he will formally announce the community’s consensus. In traditional Aboriginal culture, unilateral decision-making was entirely alien, as were power hierarchies. As in all cultures, through personal achievement, and even age itself, certain people most certainly developed higher status, but this was not applied to decision-making.

It is understood that the African Bushmen and Inuit used similar methods; perhaps, considering the evidence of known history, equally purist in application. The implications are that, during human prehistory, democratic methods of social organisation were the norm, and hierarchical systems were a later aberration, always with highly unpleasant consequences. (As an oblique but interesting aside, these democratic cultures were also devoid of personal neurosis and many other social and emotional afflictions erroneously regarded by social scientists as endemic to all peoples).

More recently in European history, an Englishman, Thomas Paine, wrote a series of books about democracy, the best known of which was The Rights of Man. With admirable perception, Paine identified hierarchies as the cause of all man’s woes and his then very popular writings meant the death knell of aristocracies; against whom all of Europe subsequently rebelled. His inspiration also provided the rebellion movement with horizons and direction and, more importantly, identified in advance that peace and prosperity can only become an outcome if all authority derives from The People.

The Rights of Man was the prime influence that countered the exasperating excesses of England’s George the Third and those of Louis xvi of France, both of whom claimed divine right to rule. Paine’s thoughts provided the inspiration for the original drafts of the French and American Constitutions.

The aristocracy and merchant plutocrats moved swiftly to defeat this movement and, thenceforth, an intensive regime of censorship has operated in almost every country; which continues to this day. We may regard this as the commencement of what has come to be known as pursuit of the New World Order; a fine-sounding euphemism for return to raw feudalism in which an all-powerful elite will rule over a uniformly-impoverished humanity.

The key to manipulation was in ambiguous use of the word representation, through which direct rule by the people (consensus), later delivered to a parliament by their elected representative; became direct rule by elected representatives (representationalism).

Therein, we have been tricked into electing corrupt and manipulated politicians to do our thinking for us. Moreover, if these politicians represent political parties, as approved candidates they are selected and vetted for future compliance by the entities that provide election campaign finance. These entities are led by the very bankers and media owners who created the New World Order agenda. To complete the illusion of choice, we are provided with dually-funded Tweedledum/Tweedledee major political parties.

These acts of philosophical sabotage were the product of Paine’s single miscomprehension; inasmuch as he ascribed the rights of man to the Christian God; explicitly, that God created all men equal. The exploitable weaknesses of this notion were:

• That it meant nothing to non-Christians;
• That the Christian Church organisations were innately hierarchical and, moreover, enthusiastically supported the imposition of ignorance and poverty on the masses; and
• That, manifestly, people are not born equal. Many are already disadvantaged by being the product of unhealthy mothers, thereby impinging on their intelligence, health, immuno-systems and capacity to survive and be productive. Moreover, being born into wealth provides elites with an immediate advantage.

Unfortunately, Paine failed to realise that adoption of three stand-alone axioms of law would have established the desired equality:

• Informed Electoral Consensus;
• Equal Rights; and
• Equal Opportunity.

Already by 1792, seizing their opportunity, the Jacobins had hijacked the French Revolution and the new Constitution. Meanwhile, across the Atlantic, the ruthless American plutocracy, otherwise known as the revered Founding Fathers, through their agent James Madison, excised all references to democracy in the Declaration of Independence and in the US Constitution. The entire rights of man were watered down to a vague and futile pursuit of happiness. Later, some scholar drew attention to the desecration and ten subsequent amendments were eventually implemented in impotent and piecemeal disarray, ironically to become known grandly as the American Bill of Rights, embarrassedly emulating the British act of 1688. A more appropriate title would have been a very upper case “Ooops!” As the absolute hollowness of the American Constitution became apparent, the number of amendments eventually totaled twenty-seven.

The cherished belief that American colonials had a vision of democracy is a promulgated distortion. The ordinary people did indeed envisage democracy as presented by Thomas Paine, and with great joy and anticipation; but their leaders were horrified by the prospect. In fact, they initiated an unworkable modeling of a presidency based loosely on the role of the British Monarch, but with more executive power; and with two incompatible houses of parliament which served to frustrate the wishes of the people.

The United States of America is not, and never was a democracy and the word democracy does not appear in any of its enabling documents.

The US is a plutocracy; a regime of the wealthy elite; which employs an oligarchy to pursue its interests. The American people are taught what to believe by the Plutocracy, as is the less ingenuous oligarchy; which the people harangue futilely hoping it will obey their wishes.

As we snicker at American naiveté and gullibility, we should become more sharply aware that democracy plays no part in our governments either, and neither is democracy mentioned in any of our enabling documents. We, too, have been deceived.

Since 1850, when the fifth son of Mayer Rothschild finally linked the US Plutocracy to the Rothschild’s European banking empire, the drafting of all laws and constitutions has been contained and directed by the globalist elite, through their local servants in each national community… the hierarchy we know of in many countries as the Law Society.


What should be the shape of contemporary democracy?

To understand real democracy, we need to sweep away the mountain of academic and journalistic garbage under which real democracy has been buried. As the KISS adage suggests, we should keep the explanation simple, because genuine democracy is indeed simple; as we shall see:

All politics is about power.

Power in the hands of the people is democracy. Power in the hands of any minority or group is not democracy. What minority control may well be is oligarchy, theocracy, monarchy, aristocracy, plutocracy; or any of the specific variants on this theme; but none of these can be described as democracy. In terms of the much abused spectrum of politics (left and right politics): left is power distributed evenly throughout the people; right is power redistributed to a minority; a minority of many, or of one.

Just for the record, Karl Marx despised democracy and recommended a system of bureaucracies (centralisation of power to committees), which inevitably evolved to dictatorships. No other destiny was possible; therefore communists/socialists are right wing, not left wing; as the elitist manipulators of knowledge would have us believe. This confusion is deliberately promulgated in order to blur our perception of genuine democracy.

Fabian socialists too, are right wing, believing that government should be subsumed by stealth and manipulated by a knowledgeable elite; and that government should wield power on behalf of the people. All aspire to the same dictatorial New World Order. Howard’s support of Monarchy merely reflects his acknowledgement of an older path to a common goal.

Their convergent objective has always been to make their country subordinate to a world dictatorship; variously referred to as World Governance or New World Order depending upon perspective. New Zealand’s Helen Clarke is of the same ilk, even more ambitiously anticipating her United Nations reward to be the Secretary Generalship.

Regardless of apparent political colours all political parties, including the Greens, are directed by the same banker/media elite, led by the Rockefeller and Rothschild families, and closely allied to Rupert Murdoch. Regardless of claims, all political parties want to erase democracy forever and this real agenda is exposed in their failure to acknowledge the will of electorates on almost any issue.

It should be recalled that the duplicity of power-mongers has long been observed and that much of what I am saying is not new. With incisive perception, Lord Acton analysed the multitudinal betrayals of the people and concluded that There are no great leaders, only bad men, and that these manipulators subsequently arrange for history to portray them in a flattering light. He also wisely noted that Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, thus pointing out the freedom-destruction of the representationalism that the Rockefeller/Rothschild cabal has so fraudulently but successfully been superimposing on our understanding of democracy.

We should be uncompromising in our understanding here. Democracy is government of the people, by the people and for the people. Anything else is simply not Democracy.

So, what does this mean in terms of more desirable political structures?

This is quite simple. We, the electorate, following considered exposure to all the relevant information, should decide the direction and thrust of policy. Those of us who wish to busy ourselves with the nuts and bolts of policy implementation are fully entitled to do so, although most citizens would back away from such details.

Something approximating this process occurred in 1967, when Australians overwhelmingly supported a referendum over Aboriginal inclusion in national census and statistics. Although politicians remained hopelessly divided over the issue, prompted by Aboriginal rights activists, the people discussed it in depth for a decade and inevitably found overwhelming consensus.

In a democracy, electoral consensus should be conveyed in documented form to Parliament, wherein this consensus flows and melds with the consensus of other electorates, and is subsequently implemented by the Public Service. It is not necessary for electorates to deliver identical or even similar policies.

In fact, national uniform laws only function effectively where circumstances are identical in implementation.

The role of politicians requires redefining, after several decades of escalating abuse. In a genuine democracy the role of politician is tantamount to that of message boy; albeit a trusted and broadly knowledgeable one; consensus coordination. It is not the politician’s function to deliberate on or to preempt electoral decisions.

Ensuring democratic consensus

In pursuit of this consensus coordinating role; and at least until a culture of democracy is imbedded in America, each candidate should sign a contract with his electorate to convey to parliament only the informed and documented consensus of that electorate. The candidate must also pre-sign an undated letter of resignation, which the electorate can activate in the event of betrayal. These are effective and realistic protections against the megalomania, messiah complex and corruption that inevitably afflict all contemporary politicians.

Contrary to hierarchical propaganda, any competent survey of the electorate today will reveal that, even on issues in respect of which the people have not had access to sufficient information, there is near-consensus of 70% to 90%+ on almost every important issue. Polls that indicate otherwise are manipulated.


Although we have merely touched on the empowering phenomenon of democracy here, a single item of Globalist propaganda will demonstrate the full extent of our indoctrination, and of our cultivated and unquestioning acceptance that absolute non-democracy is nevertheless democracy:

We all routinely accept the defining legitimacy of the statement that a 51% vote constitutes a democratic majority, yet a 49:51 division is actually clear evidence of absolute division in the community; hardly a desirable circumstance, nor one through which we should proceed without the certain knowledge we are courting disaster and failure.

How did we accept without question, such a transparent oxymoron?

There are some fifty beliefs about government that are just as illogical and invalid, yet these too are accepted globally as self-evident truths. We will present all of these on our sister Internet site, oziz4oziz.com wherein all contemporary issues will be presented as objectively and honestly as availability of information permits.

Consensus democracy is no mere ideal. It is axiomatic that any 1000 people share more collective wisdom and knowledge than any single person or ‘leader’ no matter how extraordinary this person’s range of knowledge may be. Moreover, the 1000 people have counter-balancing experiences, whereas the values and emotions of the single leader are inevitably distorted by specialisation and demographic positioning.

In a genuine consensus democracy, the nation has access to the accumulated wisdom and knowledge of the entire adult population; a vastly superior resource to that possessed by a handful of inevitably and invariably megalomaniacal leaders.
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Amen to that.

Democracy cannot function in an environment in which corporations become persons, or wealth dictates access to influence.

As Activistmotivator points out, all lobbies disenfranchise the electorate. The earlier suggestion that Internet users form their own lobby is myopic. This merely disenfranchises those who cannot afford a PC and ISP fees; which is around 20% of the nation.

It is essential that all political candidates have access to the same free pro-forma public statement of intent, but most people now believe that this is where policies begin. In a real democracy policy formulation begins in the electorate, as do priorities thereof. The US has never even experimented with this, although most other western nations were partially driven this way until three decades ago.

In summation:

Media political campaigning must become illegal;
Corporations legally depersonalized;
A proforma policy statement made accessible and free to all candidates.

This would kill off policy promotion and return formulation to the people/the electorate, where it belongs. That is what Lincoln meant by 'Government by the people'.
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Nice to see ignorant Big Rooster put down by genuine soldier, Dennany. But Big Rooster (in fact, little dick) is too dumb to understand what a fool he makes of himself.

About 90% of the world's population now knows the US soldiers are being used in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is Vietnam all over again.

No doubt Pelosi is playing politics, but if the truth is hidden America slides down another notch in global esteem. Already, the staunched allies, the people of Australia and NZ, want to cut ties with the US. Everyone is fed up with corruption and lies at the top.

And if fools like red Rooster really do care about the lives of US soldiers, go check out the illness, depression and death these boys and girls suffer in their return... visit Veterans Against War and their many brother organizations of disillusioned and disenchanted vets. Check on their wives suffering from endometriosis and cancer as a result of DU sperm infections, and their children born without limbs, or eyes. Check out the fifteen life-threatening conditions they suffer as a result of compulsary vaccinations laced with mercury, formaldehyde and similar fatal toxins.
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Has it occurred to no one that the constitution is the hook upon which you hang.

The US Constitution was replaced; and the inspired original, which stated that "All authority derives from the people" (-Thomas Paine) was done away with. Paine adopted America in the belief 'The Rights of Man' was to form the basis of the new Constitution. He and Americans were cheated.

All elements that provided democratic rights were removed by the plutocrats. This is the very reason the amendments came into being... futilely as it happens.

It also does not appear to have occurred to anyone that constitutions per se are (a) manifestly and universally unsuccessful, and (b)unnecessary.

In fact, all constitutions verbosely duplicate three axioms:

Equal Rights;
Equal Opportunity; and
Democracy (ie policy formulated by the electorate).

If any of you want to demolish this I would suggest you devote some careful thought first; I have been challenged by experts and they failed.

The key is application of equal opportunity. To be meaningful, it means every child must be conceived into a loving and nurturing family which, obviously, must be reasonably prosperous and fulfilled. There must be a reasonable standard of nutrition, health and education and an absence of crime. And do on.

All these can be argued on purely economic grounds and ideology plays no part in this.

This is, however, very bad news for lawyers and hierarchies. In a genuine democracy, the people control the definitions, identify issue priorities, and the mode of implementation of their policies.

We will note that this bears no resemblance to the US, yet I am only talking about the lyrical definition of democracy provided by Abe at Gettysberg. Are Abe and I wrong and Maddison right?
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Unfortunately, you are dead right. The media owner monopolies will need to be ended first. In Australia, Rupert Murdoch controls all news media, including government-owned TV.
tonyryan43 9 months ago
You are all making the presumptions that:
The US is a democracy; and
You know what a democracy is; and
That democracy is centrally about majorities and elections, and votes.

You have been conned. Thucydides, the Irish Monks, the Finn kingdoms, Thomas Paine, Abe Lincoln and Lord Acton would all tell you the same thing.

What you need is real democracy. For excellent reasons, Lincoln lyrically overstated the meaning with his "Government of the people, by the people and for the people", which I would paraphrase in contemporary idiom and context as that system in which the thrust and direction of policy formulation is the product of informed electoral consensus.

The plutocratic elites have indoctrinated you with beliefs that people will never agree (in fact agreement is regulated only by access to information), and that the cities of today are too big (which is also nonsense, size has nothing to do with consensus).

In my experience, people will believe what they want to believe and if anyone here wants an article elaborating on these points, ask me on tonyryan43@gmil.com
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Sorry houseram, that was not directed to you, but at the boneheads.

And if you are in the mood to educate people, anything you send to tonyryan43@gmail.com will be studied and absorbed; and, more importantly, passed on.
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Try using the word Arab.

He was right, according to my histories. Try broadening your reading.
By the way, the first Chinese event of navigation was 1242. Phoenicians were 2000 years ahead.
tonyryan43 9 months ago
In the Jurassic period there was 10 times more CO2 than now. Result, the most prolific era of life in this planet's history.

It works like this... plants NEED CO2, the more CO2 the better. Ask any nursuryman. They have machines to make more CO2.

The more plants the more food for us, and the more Oxygen they produce for us to breathe.

We need more CO2.

SAVE THE WORLD, BURN MORE COAL!
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Do you walk around reading marvel comics.

I live out there in the real world and see what America has done. It has invaded and occupied 43 sovereign nations since 1946, AND NO ONE ASKED THE US TO DO THIS.

Every time another country establishes a democratic government of the people, the CIA moves in and tortures and kills the pro-democracy element.

The CIA runs the major drug empires: the Golden triangle, Colombian coke; Afghanistan heroin. Did you know that the Taliban closed down the poppy fields? Drugs are forbidden in the Quran, and growers were shot. The US invaded and within three years 90% of the heroin in the world comes from Afghanistan.

I could write a book on the crimes the US has committed against the people of the world; and in fact many have.

Obama was apologising for these crimes. Maybe tongue in cheek, but these were real crimes.

Throw away your comics and travel. Then write.
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Gosh, Aherodias, I didn't spot that. Which commenter was the racist bigot?
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Gabrielsky

What you stated was essential human rights in a democracy (although I do not say we live in a democracy).

I do not understand the antipathy in the responses. Was this orchestrated by someone?
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Dan521 is blinded by a lifetime of indoctrination that says government sits astride the power structure. Manifestly, this is nonsense.

Even at the time of Jefferson and Abe Lincoln, there were fears of the power of bankers suborning government; fears expressed in recorded speeches.

Since 1913, even Woodrow Wilson conceded that he had precipitated this very disaster.

The global bankers collective is the most powerful entity on this planet, and a glance at the financial worth of just two of these members, Rockefeller with $10 trillion and Rothschilds with $100 trillion, should be enough for even the most naive to glance further than their own ideological noses. And it gets worse; sometime over the past three decades the Vatican threw in its lot, almost doubling this power. So too did the Anglican and Uniting Churches. Collectively, these disparate entities own the capital of the WB, IMF and BIS.

Does anyone now consider their government to be paramount?

If you require further indicators, since before he announced his candidacy, Obama's prime foreign affairs advisor has been Mr Biggy; or less affectionately known as Zbigniew Brzezinski, who created the Trilateral Commission (TR) in 1973, which is the largest and most far-reaching military-industrial intelligence monolith the world has known.

And who owns both the TR and Mr Biggy, along with Chase Manhattan and ExxonMobil? Good old David Rockefeller. Every policy currently adopted by the US Government has been driven by Rockefeller and his close associate, Rupert Murdoch, et al.

So, the only way Dan521 can be right is if all Americans get honest and accept that David Rockefeller is the American Government. But Rockefeller is merely nominal head of the banker alliance; he is bound by international hierarchy consensus. Zionists to the street wise.

And how does one drag America back from the clutches of the megalomaniacal plutocrats? The first steps are (1) restore the financial system, exactly as recommended by Ellen Brown; (2) Restore and expand US tariffs; (3) Restore USA national sovereignty; (4) Dissolve NATO (it has nothing to do with American defense); (5) Replace the FDA with a Department that actually protects American citizen's health; (6) Close down the 170 major foreign bases and wars; (7) Relinquish apartheid Israel to its own aggressive devices; (8) Break up all media and industrial monopolies; (9) End media domination of elections; (10) Release all minor drug convictees and expunge their records. You will soon need their labor power.

I can tell you with absolute assurance that with this constructive rediversion of national wealth, within three years the US will achieve almost full employment, and within five years it will enjoy the per capita prosperity of the 1950s, but more fairly spread.

But first, listen to Ellen Brown; who, by the way, may or may not agree with what I have said. If she disagrees, go with Ellen.

Phreedomphan… Well said!

Tony Ryan
tonyryan43 9 months ago
Once every half century or so somebody actually does their research and identifies crucial anomalies in economic management. Ellen Brown is the pre-eminent person of the 21st century.

Not only has she exposed the spurious belief systems and non sequiturs of contemporary economics, AND identified the move Government must make to restore economic sanity and prosperity; but she actually cares about what is happening to you and me.

Bolstering her evidence, I can also direct researchers to the Commonwealth Bank established in Australia, that operated along similar lines to the BND and funded the magnificent Snowy River Scheme, without debt.

If the Governor of California does not have the balls to install Ellen Brown's suggestions, we may abduct her and utilise her talents in Australia.

Tony Ryan