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A typical Chinese laborer saves 30% of his meagre income. A typical American worker saves 2% of his bloated income. A typical American McDonald's worked makes three times what a typical Chinese laborer makes.

And we owe these people TWO TRILLION dollars.

President Obama, I am disappointed. YOU KNOW THESE NUMBERS ARE TRUE. I expected you to point this out and blaze a path to a stronger future.

Instead, you've noted that "America succeeds because of debt". You've admitted we can't maintain our bloated lifestyles by living within our means, not matter how much it hurts in the short term.

The National Debt may be keeping you up at night, but it's been MY nightmare for 20 years. And you are making it worse.

Where's the plan, dawg? WHERE'S THE PLAN!!!!!!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16676280/171


Just wanted to keep you OGD birfer loonies up to date on what your boy Phil Berg is doing. After being kicked to the curb by Jeff Taylor, the ever persistent Mr. Berg is attempting to get President Obama arrested on a charge of fraud. Mr. Berg presented the merits of his case to Mr. Taylor earlier this month and Mr. Taylor smirked and summarily dismissed it as looney, or rather "lacked merit".

Now Mr. Berg says the U.S. Attorney General is unqualified to make that decision because he "works for the President".

And the hits just keep on coming. Send in your money loonies. Phil needs to get his mortgage up to date.
http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-06-18/news/orly-taitz


I thought you birfers would like to know your queen. And the reason I use the term 'birfer' instead of 'birther'.

This article is relatively excellent.
Most of the time, what the Mainstream media reports is correct. There isn't any such thing as "liberal bias". That's a fictitious construct.

Right wingers are famous for creating fictitious red herrings to throw people off the scent of truth. It was right wingers who created the "Obama Born in Kenya" BC fiasco. It was right wingers who encouraged Ashley Todd to lie about being assaulted by an Obama supporter. It was right wingers who invented these legally toothless grand juries and then scream because the MSM doesn't give them publicity.

MSM doles out precious prime time minutes to VALID news stories, not right wing lies.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/21/palin-spars-critics-ethics-complaints/


By her own admission, Sarah Palin has paid half a million dollars to fend off frivolous ethics complaints. If she isn't awash in ethical crimes, why doesn't she just admit her ethics shortcomings and this will all go away?

Because she CAN'T.


(Does this argument sound familiar, birfers?)
http://216.221.102.26/blogger/post/White-House-Leaks-Story-of-Obamae28099s-Kenyan-Birth.aspx


Well, birfers, it appears I was wrong.

Can you ever forgive me for doubting you?
http://pub29.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=2442810129&frmid=8&msgid=1026997&cmd=show

Stephen Pigeon:

"The First Amendment to the US Constitution protects the right of the citizens to peaceably assemble. It does not protect citizens who intend insurrection. The contemplation of the founders has always considered the preservation of the republic and the rule of law to be paramount - against enemies foreign and domestic.

The Insurrection Act of 1807 allows for the use of the United States armed forces within the boundaries of the US in the event of any insurrection which threatens the functioning of the constitutional republic. Posse comitatus is not applicable to open insurrection.

Anyone who intends an escalation from a peaceable protest to acts of violence needs to rethink their position on behalf of the entire contrarian movement; you will do an immeasurable disservice to the patriots in this country who are seeking to restore the constitutional republic and the rule of law by lawful and just means. ANY ACT OF VIOLENCE DESTROYS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE MOVEMENT.

Let me put it more clearly: You cannot restore the rule of law by unlawful means! Claims to common law authority and other dicta that are not found in the juris prudence of the United States are not the law - they are merely "persuasive" authority, and do not provide for unlawful activity such as the use of force.

A "citizen's arrest" is a bald use of force that may possibly be justified later in a courtroom. In the event the case cannot be made, the person making the citizen's arrest will be charged with crimes associated with the arrest, including assault, kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, and other charges that may be applicable.

You should know that in making a citizen's arrest, the citizen to be arrested is authorized and justified in using all force necessary to combat the arrest. Where the President is concerned, you will be confronting a $7 trillion military machine against whom you stand no chance.

If your plan "D" includes violence, you need to immediately rethink your position and abandon the field. Make your voice heard - but if you can't win in the marketplace of ideas because the general population wants to move in a different direction, you have to consider either adjusting to the world they are making with objection, or make plans to live elsewhere.

The use of violence will destroy the movement that opposes Obama's presidency and will give the Feds justification to arrest many more freedoms, including shutting down all streams of contrary opinion - which includes Plains Radio.

Back off, while you still can."

Stephen Pidgeon
State: WashingtonState: Washington



Ed Hale

"Folks, I called Steve early this morning and talked to him about this. He listen to the tape and then he post the above message in the forum. Steve told me that the only way that Obama can be removed from office is by impeachment from the congress, or death or not capable of preform his duties, or end of his term. He said it makes no difference if he is proven a fraud or not. No one can arrest him as long as he is the President, eligible or not eligible. That is the only way Obama can be removed from POTUS. This stuff that is being told that obama will be out of office by July 4th is BS. It will not happen. That is what Steve told me on the phone. For godsake, don't get angry and do something stupid."



Erudion? Cowardice? Or Common Sense?
I'm a heterosexual guy. Honestly and unreservedly, I have no interest in abortion, gay rights or immigration laws. When the topics come up I shut up. I don't have a dog in the fight. I could care less.

But I have two questions about abortion.

If you are opposed to abortion, why not just NOT have an abortion and STFU?

The second question is more interesting.

If you support abortion rights for women, WHY DON'T MEN HAVE THOSE SAME RIGHTS??

For instance, a woman can choose to abort a child and the father has no say. But what if the father wants to abort the child and the mother says no? Why can't the father renounce his birthing rights? Isn't he an equal partner?

And while I know a man shouldn't have a say in what women do to their bodies, I think a man who doesn't want to be a parent should be able to say, "I renounce paternity. You raise this child by yourself."

Before you get your panties in a wad about children's rights to support, think about it. It's the SAME RIGHT WE GIVE TO WOMEN WHO SEEK ABORTIONS. "I renounce maternity. Get his fetus out of my body. I don't want to support it."

Why can't men have this same right?

Having considered this, I think I lean more to the anti-abortion camp.

Talk me down.
The belief that Barack Obama was not born in the United States is supported by a vocal minority of the electorate. Birfers believe that if they can get this issue in front of more Americans, the issue will grow legs and begin to run on its own. Most birfers are aware that this idea is legally moot and based on innuendo, but believe that a rising tide of citizen outcry can keep Obama from running again in 2012.

Is this smart?

Even if birfers can triple their numbers, they still would only comprise 1.5% of the electorate. The risk here is that birferism is such a thin tissue of lies that many people who are indifferent about Obama could easily see thru the strategy. Conceivably, those people could be so annoyed by the tactic that they would move off the fence and into the Obama camp, thus nullifying birfer increases.

Additionally, the birfer cases are so legally weak several judges have literally laughed them out of court. Phil Berg's Interpleader action so annoyed Judge Robertson that he guffawed at the premise and sanctioned an 84 year old lawyer who assisted Berg. Judge Surrick denied Berg's claims as 'frivolous'. Even if 306 million Americans took up this issue, their collective voices would be shouted down by Janet Okubo's endorsement of Obama's Hawaiian BC.

Rather than continue to beat this dead horse, is it not smarter to challenge Obama based on his policies? You may get a more sympathetic ear from the American electorate. The "We Hate Bush" crowd is about played out. Obama has got to start owning this.
Recently, Hawaiian DOH official Janet Okubo weighed in on the validity of Barack Obama's birth certificate:

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html


"...The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."


So, Obama's posted BC isn't any different that any other BC's issued by Hawaii's DOH.

"JUST SHOW US THE BC, MR. PRESIDENT!!!" is getting a little tired, isn't it?
He must have been a two-term usurper!!

"Birth certificates were not common in this country until the first decade of the 20th century, so most of our presidents would not have had birth certificates. I cannot find the reference at this moment, but at least one of Ike's biographies I have read was explicit that he did not have a birth certificate. Neither did Harry Truman, although the folks from his home town issued him one after he became President to make up for that shortfall. Ronald Reagan is perhaps the most recent President born without a BC, as Illinois was late to come on board with requiring birth certificates until after his 1911 birth."
Is this a denial of justice to the birfers? Or an acknowledgment of incompetence by birfer lawyers?

Birfers claim they cannot get their cases heard based on the merits.

Do they REALLY want their cases heard based on the evidence Berg, Taitz and Kreep have advanced so far? The Kenyan Birth Theory complete with an inadmissible Sarah Obama tape? The Dudley Doright BC? The blatant lies and tampering of evidence done by Phil Berg? Or the glaring puddle of judicial incompetence that is Orly Taitz?

Is is better for the courts to dismiss these cases or actually allow birfoon lawyers to perform?

I say the latter. I'm DYING to see the expression on a judge's face when Orly shows up and says, "Evidence doesn't matter!!" or "That conclusion goes without showing!!!" as she is prone to say. I want Phil Berg to explain the Dudley Doright BC and the redacted Sarah Obama tape.

I want to hear Phil's reaction when discovery is allowed the the State of Hawaii sends in a BC that looks exactly like the COLB on Obama's site.

So, YES, I want to have these cases heard!!
Many of you have wondered where I got the Dudley Doright BC story.

Here is the link: http://www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm

Note the BC listed at this site. Phil Berg lifted this BC off the Internet and actually submitted it to a court as evidence that Obama is not a citizen.

Phil's original filing also claimed that Obama's half brother and sister had testified that Obama was born in Kenya. Phil has since backed off that claim, inasmuch as Obama's half brother is heard vehemently denying that Barack Obama Jr. was born in Kenya on the tape. Phil filed his lawsuit before the tape was made; his allegations in his filing was based on what he expected to get, not what he had.
Linda Starr, aka Linda Sue Belcher, invented the birfer story in June 2008. An avid Hillary Clinton supporter and feminist, Linda fully admits to doing the research which will lead to the Usurper's downfall.

Unable to obtain a copy of Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate, and knowing that Obama's father was from Kenya, Linda correctly deduced that Obama Jr. must have been born in Kenya. Linda also dredged up Obama's Indonesian school records which list his childhood name as Barry Soetoro and his religion as Muslim.

With these facts in hand, Linda approached Phil Berg. Phil invented a Canadian BC signed by Dudley Doright and submitted a non-existent interview with Obama's grandmother as evidence in his initial court filings. And that's how the birfer story took off.

But what else has Linda given us? Thankfully, she herself tells us.

1) Linda was instrumental in the Rathergate affair. She supplied the infomation to CBS News about George Bush's malfeasance during his days flying jets for the National Guard. Why? Linda claims her distaste for Bush stems from the fact that Bush physically assaulted her in the nineties, leading to a long term debilitating depression which left her unable to work.

2) Linda claims she has evidence that teenaged Laura Bush murdered her 17 year old boyfriend back in the sixties.

3) Linda claims that she has evidence that Michelle Obama was disbarred in Illinois in 1993 for insurance fraud.


Last month Phil Berg sued Linda Sue Belcher et al on behalf of his assistant, Lisa Liberi, for libel. He claims that Linda publicly accused Lisa of having an extensive criminal history. Linda's rationale for making these claims is that Lisa's criminal history would undermine her credibility when the birfer cases actually come to court.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14978528/Taitz-Hale-Complaint-05-04-2009

Since that time, Linda has publicly accused Phil Berg of incompetence. She pointed out monetary sanctions levied at Berg five years back in which Berg was ordered to pay $10K and take ethics courses by a judge.


These are the people who invented the birfer story.


Linda's blog is: http://obamacitizenshipdebate.org/
Linda's email address is: newwomensparty@aol.com

Phil Berg's website is: www.obamacrimes.com
Phil's email address is: philjberg@obamacrimes.com



I encourage you to email them and get their side of the story.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214



"...A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

The Berg lawsuit contends there is enough truth in the various reports to conclude, "Unfortunately, Obama is not a 'natural born' citizen."

The suit alleges that while records exist of a "registry of birth" for Obama in Hawaii (filed four days after his claimed birthday), no records exist of his mother's stay in any Hawaii hospital, suggesting she may have given birth elsewhere and filed the registration shortly thereafter on American soil.

"Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states. "Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."

The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public.

Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

However, there doesn't seem to be any evidence Ann Dunham expatriated. Also, consulting citizenship experts contend that if Obama indeed obtained Indonesian citizenship, it simply would not have been recognized by the U.S., but the presidential candidate would retain his American citizenship.

Even after her divorce and return to the U.S., the suit says, "Obama's mother failed to take the oath in order to regain her U.S. Citizenship. Therefore, Obama would not have been able to regain his U.S. Citizenship until he turned 18 years (and) after he took the oath of allegiance."

"Since the oath of allegiance would have been entered in the records of the appropriate embassy, legation, consulate, court or the Attorney General, if Plaintiff is incorrect, then Obama should be able to produce in Court a certified copy of the proceedings, including a copy of the oath administered," the suit states.

The lawsuit then claims an investigation has shown that in 1981, "Obama traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian passport. At the time of travels to Indonesia, Obama was 20 years old. He was well aware he maintained his Indonesia citizenship, and failed to regain his United States citizenship. … Even if Obama maintained his United States Citizenship, which he failed to do, he also carries citizenships in Kenya and Indonesia. Obama has divided loyalties with foreign countries. Thus, Obama carries multiple citizenships and is ineligible to run for President of the United States."

A WND investigation could not find any proof Obama used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan. However, WND noted that Pakistan in 1981 was under military rule and that it was difficult for U.S. citizens to travel to the country without assistance – meaning, it would have been easier to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport.

Berg claims his lawsuit is necessary, not only to protect the Constitution, but also to protect the integrity of the Democratic Party.

"If the DNC officers and/or leaders had performed one ounce of due diligence, we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship," said Berg in his press release. "The injunctive relief must be granted because failing to do so, (the DNC's) inaction defrauds everyone who voted in the Democratic Primary."

4. MOTION TO QUASH OF PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA, VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN, AND 55 CALIFORNIA ELECTORS OR, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, FOR AN ORDER THAT THE DEPOSITION OF THE CUSTODIAN OF RECORDS OF OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE NOT BE TAKEN.


Respondents President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, and the 55 California Electors named as respondents move for an order quashing the subpoena by petitioners directed to third party Occidental College demanding access to President Barack Obama’s “academic and housing records.” In the alternative, they seek an order that the deposition of the custodian of records of Occidental College not be taken.

The moving parties seek relief pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure sections 1987.1, 2025.410, and 2025.420. They contend that the subpoena and the associated notice to the consumer were improperly served. They contend that the subpoena is vague and overbroad and seeks information that is neither relevant to this lawsuit nor reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence.

The motion is granted on all grounds stated. Code of Civil Procedure section 1985.3 requires that a copy of subpoena seeking access to confidential consumer records be served on the consumer whose records are sought at least five days before service on the custodian of records. (Code Civ. Proc. § 1985.3(b)(3).) If served by mail within this State, this time limit is extended to ten days pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure section 1013(a). In this case, the notice and subpoena to Occidental College were mailed either the day before or the very same day Occidental College was served. (Woocher Decl., pars. 2-3 and Exs. 1-2.) This is insufficient.

Petitioners contend that respondents waived any objection by failing to object for twenty-seven days. The Court finds this argument without merit. The motion to quash was filed within the period provided for by Code of Civil Procedure section 2025.410(b).

The Court further finds that the two categories of documents petitioners seek are vague, overbroad, and are of no relevance to this litigation. Petitioners demand access to all of President Obama’s “academic and housing records.” However, the relevance of such records is not established. The issues raised in the First Amended Petition concern the duties, if any, of the respondents to demand proof of natural born citizenship of a candidate for President. Petitioners have not shown that any of the documents sought could assist in answering this question. Petitioners’ argument that they could have sought even more documents is not persuasive, nor is their argument that more specific objection was needed pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure section 2031.240(b).

Moreover, this lawsuit is moot as to issues concerning President Obama. The Court on this date is prepared to sustain demurrers to the petition without leave to amend. But even if the court were to overrule the demurrers, the First Amended Petition contains no claims as to which the records sought are relevant.



The motion to quash the subpoena is GRANTED.
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/ is reporting that President Obama has won damages in the Bowen vs Keyes case. Obama was awarded $520 in court costs and attorneys fees.

That pretty much tells us how much it costs him in attorney's fees to file for these dismissals. From there we can extrapolate and get a good feel for how much these birfer suits are costing Obama. LESS THAN $10K. TOTAL

JUST LIKE I SAID.

Keyes v Bowen: Cost Awarded

Adding insult to injury, the Court has awarded the following cost in the case Keyes v Bowen

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED, AND DECREED:

1 . That the First Amended Petition for Writ of Mandate is dismissed;

2, That respondent Secretary of State Debra Bowen shall recover costs in the amount of $350.00 pursuant to Government Code section 6103.5;

3 . That respondent President Barack Obama shall recover costs in the amount of $520.00;

4. That respondent Vice-President Joe Biden shall recover costs in the amount of $520.00;
Nyuck! Nyuck! Nyuck!! I TOLD ya so.


(Washington, DC – 06/11/2009) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the first Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator
Obama's lack of Constitutional "qualifications/eligibility" to serve as President of the United States and his cases that are still pending, Berg vs. Obama [2 cases – 1 under seal] and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, et al, announced today that United States Attorney General Eric Holder refused to prosecute President Barack H. Obama for Obama illegally running for and holding the U.S. Senate seat from Illinois because he was Constitutionally ineligible to be a U.S. Senator.

False Claims Act [FCA] case is when a person has knowledge that another party has obtained money from the Government based on a false claim. In this instance, in order to be a United States Senator, you must be a United States Citizen for nine [9] years. Obama is not a United States Citizen and therefore, usurped the Office of U.S. Senator for Illinois and obtained payment from the U.S. Department of the Treasury based on his false statements that he was a U.S. Citizen and constitutionally eligible to serve the position of United States Senator.

Berg said, “What a miscarriage of justice! At a closed door hearing on June 9, 2009 because of the status of the “sealed case,” sealed because of the nature of the case, that being a “Qui Tam” or FCA [False Claims Action] case, the Attorney General through his representatives refused to proceed with the prosecution of Obama for fraudulently serving as a U.S. Senator from Illinois for 3 ½ years. [FCA cases are usually used in Medicare/Medicaid fraud cases]”

Berg continued, “I presented overwhelming evidence that Obama was ineligible to be a U.S. Senator and therefore, Obama fraudulently
received a salary and benefits of nearly $1 Million Dollars. Since the case was ‘Dismissed with Prejudice’ it is now ‘Unsealed’ and the record is open for review. The case, Berg vs. Obama, U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, No. 08-cv-1933 and is available on Pacer or our website, obamacrimes.com.

I, Phil Berg, will be Appealing this case !” Berg said, “During oral argument, I raised the issue of a ‘Conflict of Interest’ as Attorney General Holder’s boss is the President Barack H. Obama, so how could they properly review this case? I suggested the appointment of a Special Prosecutor.

I also raised the issue that any Discovery used in the Government’s decision to have the case dismissed, which was secured by the U.S. Department of Justice and U.S. Attorney General’s Office should be turned over to me as the Relator, however, no Discovery was turned over.”

Article II, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution entrusts the Executive, which includes the United States Attorney General, with duty to take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed. Berg stated, “I am very disappointed that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder through his Staff has failed to uphold his duties.”

Berg concluded, "I am not giving up and am continuing my legal fight to prove Obama is not constitutionally qualified/eligible to be President of the United States. I am proceeding for the 305 + million people in 'our' U.S.A., for 'our' forefathers and for the 1.5 million men and women that have died defending our Constitution in the many wars over the years and the 1.5 million men and women who were injured in those wars,"

* * * * * * *

The following is an update on my three [3] pending cases regarding my challenge to Obama's lack of qualifications/eligibility to be President.

As you know, I was the first to legally raise the issue - having filed my lawsuit on August 21, 2008, before the DNC Convention.

Status of Cases:

Berg vs. Obama, Third Circuit Court of Appeals No. 08 – 4340

Briefs have been filed by all parties.
This is case that was dismissed in U.S. District Court, Eastern District of PA
Judge Surrick dismissed for lack of "standing" by Philip J. Berg

This is case that I bypassed Third Circuit to U.S. Supreme Court - where U.S. Supreme Court denied several Injunctions and to hear case.
However, case is still alive in the Third Circuit. Oral argument is tentatively scheduled for September/October 2009.

Berg vs. Obama, U.S. District Court, Case No. 08-cv-1933

Case originally filed under seal on 11/07/08. The Government moved for the dismissal of the case that was granted on June 10, 2009 at which time Judge Roberts ordered the case unsealed. Case will be appealed.

Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama,

U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, No. 09-5080 U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, No. 08-cv-02254
This is the case of retired Air Force Colonel Hollister who is on lifetime Presidential recall.

Hollister needs to know if recalled by Soetoro/Obama - must he obey an Order by legal President or disobey the illegal Order by a Constitutionally ineligible/unqualified "Usurper" President.

Case was dismissed and Sanction of “Reprimand” imposed on our local attorney.
Appeal has been filed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. We are waiting for the briefing schedule so we can file our
opening briefs.

For copies of all Press Releases and Court Pleadings, go to:
obamacrimes.com
This thread is for playing out Phil's cases in an actual court. We get to present Phils evidence against Obama in its entirety. And we get to break down his case and Obama's logical responses in court. OK?

Phil is asking for discovery.

What's next?
Look, I've been playing around with you guys. You've been asking questions, but you haven't been asking the right questions.

I KNOW that birfer issues are all fake. I don't imagine it.

This entire birfer story was concocted by PUMAS in Texas in June 2008. After Hillary lost the Democratic nomination, they got together and decided that Obama had no chance of defeating McCain in November. But they wanted to make sure it happened. So they dug around, trying to come up with some dirt on him. Ex-girlfriends, sex, drugs, homosexuality, whatever. They ran the gamut.

One PUMA, Linda Sue Belcher (nee Linda Starr) came up with Obama's Indonesian school records, noticed that Obama's religion was listed as Muslim and that his last name was listed as Soetoro. From this she concocted the 'born in Kenya' story and the Indonesian citizen story.

How do I know this?

A lawyer friend of mine SAT IN ON THE PUMA MEETINGS. She is a PJ poster. (www.politijab.com) Her online name is Allison. Her real name is none of your business.

This whole birfer story was supposed to be the Republican October Surprise. It wasn't supposed to be offered publicly until two weeks before the election.

But Linda Starr took the germ of the story to that legal genius, Phil Berg, and he ran straight to court with a half-cocked story before the details could be filled in. That's where the Dudley Doright BC came in. That's why he claimed he already had the Sarah Obama tape which wasn't made until late October.

But the news didn't break properly in August. The Democratic National Convention overshadowed it, then the Republican National Convention, then the economic crisis, then the Sarah Palin debacle.

By the time the story was ready to pull out of the oven, it was toast. Berg had screwed up the legal filings in his lust for glory and the opportunity to be "first". The October Surprise failed.

These people have been playing you birfers for months. They know this issue is a lie. But what the heck? Money is money, right?

I can back up EVERY SINGLE THING I HAVE SAID HERE.
Well, it looks as if birfer rhetoric has gone actual. Apparently, this happened earlier today, but I'm just hearing about it now.

Well, you were right wing fringe loonies before. Now you're DANGEROUS right wing fringe loonies. Just as you've painted Obama guilty by association with Ayers, you won't be able to shake this first birfer murder from the collective national perception.

Welcome to the front page, birfers.

This isn't funny.
Birfers are fond of pointing out that Obama's grandmother said she was present when he was born. How rational is this idea?

B.O. Jr. was admittedly conceived in Hawaii in late 1960. His parents were married in January 1961. Birfers believe that B.O Sr. took his wife to Kenya in July 1961 to visit his family. What would that entail?

1.) First, it would entail a massive battery of immunization shots that NO competent American pediatrician would allow a late term teenager to endure. It would require passports and airline travel money that students might not be expected to have. But lets suppose they did.
2.) There were NO direct flights from ANYWHERE in America to Kenya in 1961. The flight from Hawaii would have several hops and layovers: Honolulu to San Francisco to Chicago to New York to London to Rome to Cairo. And then a local flight to Nairobi, Kenya. Total time? About SEVEN DAYS with layovers. Then another 200 miles north over land to Kogelo Village in west Kenya, where the Obama clan called home. Quite a trip for a pregnant teenager.
3.) Very pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham makes the trip, meets Obama's parents, and settles down into their un-air conditioned, no electricity hut, complete with open windows, mosquitoes the size of birds, tse-tst flies and Discovery channel wildlife along the perimeter. She's right at home, and glad she came.
4.) Soon she realizes she's got to get back to America to have her baby. So she gets back into the Obama's Range Rover (oh, sorry, she mounts their domestic water buffalo, the same one that brought her from Nairobi thru lion infested territory) and makes the two hundred mile trip back to Nairobi. But by then the airlines won't let a pregnant white woman fly. So, instead of having the child in Nairobi, she mounts the water buffalo again, still pregnant, and rides ANOTHER 150 miles south to Mombasa to have the child. It's Aug 4. 1961. Obama's grandmother is present.
5.) Eschewing any recovery time, Stanley Ann mounts the water buffalo two hours after giving birth, rides back to Nairobi with her bundle of joy in tow. She catches the first thing smoking. Local flight to Cairo, then TWA to Rome, then to London, then to NY, then to San Francisco, then to Honolulu, bleeding from her nether parts the whole way. According to birfers, the return trip took all of 2 days in 1961, and there weren't any standard layovers.
6.) She arrives in Honolulu and rushes straight to the newspapers to report her son's birth. The birth is duly noted in two Honolulu newspapers.


This is, essentially, an EXACT recreation of Phil Berg's born in Kenya story.

How credible is this?
Oily has been a real gadfly. Phil hypes his three lawsuits, two of which have already been slapped down.

I submit that they are doing this for attention and money. Neither one of them wants to get in front of a real court room. Any resolution, pro or con, dries up the Paypal tap from you birfers. Phil had an opportunity to argue his Interpleader back in April and declined, then got mad when the judge dismissed his case as "frivolous".

Phil and Oily are suing each other.

What do you think this does for the case against Obama?

Tomorrow night (Wed, June 10) we have our own show at 9 PM on BTR.


Call-in Number: (347) 324-5546

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Reality-Check-/2009/06/10/Land-of-the-Obots


If you REALLY want to get answers about Obama, the PJ'ers are your best bet. Rikker pales in comparison to the legal minds represented by this group.

Step up to the plate, birfers. Throw your ideas out there and see if they stick.
The birfers have to be the thickest crowd around. I posted a thread asking if Phil Berg ought to show ALL his evidence. Then I delineated his evidence to date: A deliberately redacted granny tape, a Dudley Doright BC from Canada, ab accustaion of a forged BC by an anonymous Internet poster, and an Indonesian school record.

The birfers unanimously voted this thread up. They completely missed the sarcasm in the post. That's fairly thick.

Then, when I posted a thread demanding to see real evidence, they voted the whole thread down. Evidently, fake evidence holds more weight than real evidence to these birfers.

They don't really want to know the truth. They just want to get rid of the president by any means necessary.
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blackmonrikker 8 months ago
And I notice you didn't try to explain how Stanley Ann Obama traveled to and from Kenya in 1961 without a passport? State Department records show that she didn't apply for her first passport until 1967, when she traveled to Indonesia.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Well, thora, I may be an idiot but at least I don't believe in political fairy tales. Barack Obama was born in Honolulu. And there isn't anything wrong with showing his birth certificate. I'd say I'd like to see it, too, but I've already seen what the State of Hawaii sent him. Online. Like everyone else.

One thing you should note. If the U.S. Constitution said it's illegal for Chinese citizens to be U.S. president (it DOES say that, but isn't so specific towards the Chinese) and a small group of vocal opponents sprang up and demanded that the president prove he's NOT Chinese, what would YOU do if YOU were president? You apply for your American BC and post it for all to see. Then you'd tell the vocal group of opponent to go piss in the wind.

You can chant about his BC all you want. You don't have a leg to stand on. Even your so called digital image expert is an anonymous internet poster who refuses to challenge the president's BC in court. He's won every court challenge so far simply by filing for dismissals. The courts have set the price for these dismissals at just over $500. That means he's spent less than $10K on these lawsuits. And his lawyers have started demanding that the plaintiffs pay the $500 fee for each dismissal. And he's winning that, too.

And I'M the idiot here? Insanity is defined by telling the same lies over and over and expecting a different result.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
And finally, in another thread someone asked me what happens when children are born at home?

They apply to the DOH for a BC. The DOH accepts whatever racial and/or national designation the parents offer. That's what goes on the BC.

Much has been made of Barack Obama Sr's designation of his race as "African". Mr. Obama could have specified his race as Michiganian and that's what would have gone on the BC. He could have specified his race as Frisbeetarian. It's not the DOH which investigates the racial claims of the parents. They publish whatever the parent claims.

And if the child is born at home, DOH supplies the BC, but the birth is not announced in the newspaper. Newspaper birth announcements are all supplied from the birth hospital.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
g-bates asked: "blackmonrikker, those are good questions. I can imagine a few responses, but only research into Hawaii law of that time period could give definitive answers.

Possibilities:

1. Hawaiian law did not require the mother to present her baby physically to obtain the certificate.

2. Hawaiian law may have permitted a relative other than the mother to obtain the certificate, in this case, the likely person would have been Obama's grandmother or grandfather, so no trip at all would have been necessary.

3. I don't believe the two days air travel time, even in 1961, would necessarily have been impossible, especially if Stanley Ann Dunham did not have to present her child.

And,like thoragibson asked, I'm not understanding where the two-day limitation is coming from. Would you explain that, please?

Still, to me, the most compelling reason that Obama really does have something to hide is the fact that he is spending so much money to hide it!"





Again, the two day limitation is what Phil Berg has proposed in his lawsuit. When he was inventing this Kenyan birth story, he didn't really work his way thru the logistics of "how it happened". He knew he had to explain how the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth came about, so his story implies a direct flight from Kenya to NYC, then another direct flight to Honolulu. Even today those two flights would consume about 23 hours of flying time. No such flights existed in 1961. Berg's complaint specifically accuses Stanley Ann Obama, not any of her relatives, of filing a false BC in Honolulu two days after Obama was born in Kenya. A good lawyer will dissect the "how it happened" just as I have done here.

Phil also failed to take this into account: In Hawaii, it is not the parents who report births to the newspaper, nor is it the Department of Health. That information comes directly from the BIRTH HOSPITAL. The news accounts of Obama's birth, published on 8/8/61, came from the hospital where he was born, not from Stanley Ann Dunham or any of her relatives, midwives, husbands or any other source.

Do you suppose Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa supplied that information to two Honolulu newspapers?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
One more thing: I meant to ask, "What doctor would ADMINISTER these immunization shots to a pregnant teenager"?

She couldn't travel without them. Not to Kenya, anyway. American citizens still cannot travel to Africa without getting these immunizations. How did she do it?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Additionally, what U.S. obstetrician is going to allow an 8-month pregnant teenager to endure the battery of immunization shots necessary to travel to Kenya?

1.) Malaria shot
2.) Smallpox shot
3.) Tsetse immunization
4.) Cholera medicine
5.) Dengue Fever medicine

Any one of these immunizations could damage a fetus well before his own immunities develop. Each of these shots is a small version of the real disease that allows a grown up body to build it's own defenses. A fetus has no such defenses. What doctor would allow this?

Also, what pregnant white American teenager is going to travel to equatorial Africa during the height of summer to visit people who live in an un-air conditioned, no electricity hut? How did she do it without a passport? Does this make sense?

Or do you believe it because you WANT to believe it?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Here's how the two-day thing works:

Phil Berg, the lawyer who brought the lawsuit that claims Obama was born in Kenya, says that's what happened. He claims Obama's mother raced from her hospital bed in Mombasa to Hawaii in time to register baby Obama in Honolulu (falsely) and to place false ads in two Honolulu newspapers on 8/6/61.

1) Mombasa, Kenya had an international airport in 1961 with a single flight to Tanzania. Obama's 18 year old mother would have had to leave her hospital bed, travel 150 miles by Kenyan bus (laden with Kenyans and livestock) to Nairobi, catch a flight to Cairo, then Rome, then London, then NYC, then San Francisco, then Honolulu. IN TWO DAYS IN 1961, when such flights were, at best, Bi-weekly.

2) Obama's mother DID NOT OBTAIN A U.S. PASSPORT UNTIL 1967. How did she get back into the country with a bi-racial baby and an African husband in 1961?


Phil Berg will have to answer both those questions if his case goes to trial.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Born in Kenya? How did his mom get him from Mombasa to Honolulu in two days (in 1961) without a U.S. passport? How was it done?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
His grandmother's not lying. Phil Berg is. She never said that. NEVER. Listen to the tape.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
fortunately you're such a peon that your wants don't mean anything, buzzsaw.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Who reported this? World Nut Daily. The self-same people who verified Obama's BC last August and then claimed they hadn't.

Birfers aren't all crazy. Only the lawyers pushing the cases are crazy. The most common trait among most birfers is fear....based on a healthy dose of racism. Very few of them give a sh*t about the Constitution.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Yeh, I FIGURED a frank discussion about who's told the most lies and murdered the most people would shut you ignorant bastards up.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
hee-hee-hee!!

Good luck, Sallie!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
gingerdr: "Don't get me wrong. There are some good Black people. They just seem few and far between. It seems today that few will speak out against the lying, cheating, stealing going on in Washington, just because Obama is black."


No. We know EXACTLY who it is that has held a monopoly on lying, cheating and stealing. It's the people who sent smallpox laced blankets to the Indians and stole their land, claiming Manifest Destiny. It's the same people who claimed they built a nation, but had to murder the original owners and enslave an entire continent to work it. It's the same people who created an incident in the Gulf of Tonkin, then looked surprised when Muhammed Ali refused to be drafted to fight the little brown people who'd never attacked us. It's the same people who created memos that said the Iraqis would greet U.S troops as "liberators" and dubbed their illegal military exercise as "Operation Iraqi FREEDOM". It's the same people who gave us the Holocost and said it "lanced a festering boil".

Those people have told more lies than any people in history.

Yeh. It's like DAT.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Mr. Ben Ariel,

I hope you're not pointing to James David Manning as representing black people? He's the most ignorant n*gger on the planet, by far the worst of the worst. He may as well be David Duke's sh*t taster.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
You people haven't a clue what black people think. If i told you, you wouldn't believe me.

Plus, you're not really smart enough to have grasp.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
hee-hee-hee! I'm not going to even bother commenting!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Michelle O. is a hamma. Yow yow!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
hairlip, why should I forget that last statement? It undermines the credibility of his whole statement.

Your comment about Obama's obvious snarky comment about being in bed with Brian Williams undermines your own credibility.

All of you are stretching and reaching at straws. Keep your eyes on the ball. Birferism makes all of you look like fools.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
lalalallallalalallalallalalalaaalalalala.


Yawnnnnnnnnnn.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
"All he has to do is prove himself a natural born citizen."


He's already done that. You just don't accept what he's shown. And if he brought you a BC certified by Jesus Christ you would question its validity. And that's why he ignores you.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Apugh,

The birfer issue is the only issue that I will deride, demean, and ridicule its partisans. Birferism is a created issue with no basis in truth.

In all other issues I'm willing to be civil and willing to listen. I am not an Obama flunky. His policies are fair game. His citizenship is not.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
And...

A hypocritical set of family values politicians who can't keep their own tallywhackers in their pants, but have the nerve to criticize uber-dawg Bill Clinton.

An incredibly gracious and exceedingly perfect former First Lady--Laura Bush--a woman who I would vote for in a New York minute, for any post she chose to run for.

A lying set of birfer sychophants who don't know sh*t about U.S. law.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
You forgot these:

An incompetent set of birfer lawyers to sneakily assist your BC cover-up with poorly written legal challenges

A complicit Republican former president who so screwed up his job that the American electorate were willing to elect Mickey Mouse--as long as Mickey wasn't a Republican.

A criminal Republican former vice-president who sanctioned torture in violation of the Geneva Convention, thus putting our own soldiers at grave risk.

A bald headed hiphop RNC chairman who was hired to appeal to the young vote, but instead is the laughing stock of the country

A fat, loud mouthed drug addict radio host who acts as the titular head of the opposition, and whose negative perception ratings are only rivaled by Hugo Chavez' ratings.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Yet another retard post, full of unsubstantiated lies.

I vote no.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
I know you didn't write this petition yourself, rosepetal. You don't write this well. You don't organize your thoughts this well.

Where's your source? Who wrote this?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
what are you carping on about now, sh*tpetal?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
And anytime rejean agrees with you about something, you know you are on the wrong side of the issue. rejean is a drooling waterhead.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Ldrancer, you can't help being stupid. I don't hold it against you.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
John, you had a valid argument going until you brought up the BC issue. Every time you do that you undermine your own credibility.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
And you have also failed to show that a six year old ever renounced his U.S. citizenship. You have also failed to note how it's POSSIBLE for a six year old to renounce his citizenship. You've also failed to show how and when a six year old opted to change his name OR renounced his birth name. You've also failed to show how Indonesian laws trump U.S. laws.

In short, you are holding the short end of the stick.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Except, I don't think Obama's goal is economic collapse. I think he's playing the hand he's been dealt and trying to make the best of it, instead of pulling out his guns and demanding to be dealt a new hand of cards.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
I can't argue with any of this.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
For instance, Mr. Ben-Ariel, if you say that Soetoro's acknowledgement of B.O. Jr. is the same as adoption, this means that any foreign potentate could invalidate ANY American president.

Halafalu NG says: "I hereby adopt and acknowledge Ronald Reagan as my son!!! Welcome to the family, Ronald Ng!!!"

What effect does this have on U.S. law and/or Ronald Reagan's U.S. citizenship?

That's why your argument is specious.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
David Ben-Ariel: "I have yet to see any proof or documentation of when president usurper, the fraud and foreigner, Obama changed his name from his adopted father's name"


You also don't have any legal record of when Barack Obama Jr. changed his birth name to Soetoro. No court records. No newspaper ad. You just have a school record that his stepfather filled out.

Your argument is egregiously specious.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Tsiya,

Don't feel bad about being a closet racist. Most of us are. I never watched a golf match in my life before Tiger Woods started playing. I'm absolutely rabid about Venus and Serena. That's a subtle form of racism, too.

My racism doesn't cross national boundaries, though. I'm not going to root for Cameroon's soccer team against the U.S. soccer team, no matter what the racial makeup. And I'm not going to NOT support Sarah Palin just because she's white. You'll never hear me say "I'm not a racist, but isn't she real stupid?"

That's what YOU are doing.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
tsiya, "blackmonrikker, for the record, you always seem to be first to mention it, at least by inference. Your reply proves my point.
Perhaps Black People spend too much time looking for excuses. "


No, tsiya, that's inaccurate. I NEVER mention race, except by way of response. I NEVER play the race card. EVER. I agree that black people have played that card too often. My references to race are ALWAYS within the context of the discussion. When I deal with obvious racists like Rooster and Jimmy.Simpson, I call them out. When I am dealing with subtle racists like you, I simply point out the thing that gave away your cover. Anytime someone prefaces a statement with "I'm not a racist, but..." it means they ARE a racist.

If you want to continue being subtle, don't bring up race at all. And you'll never have to worry about ME bringing it up, either.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
tsiya: "You will either respect us, or there will be friction."

I guess there will be friction, then.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
tsiya: "This isn't a matter of race, for me anyway"

Tsiya, for the record, whenever someone uses this caveat, it's generally a lie. Especially if its the first thing out of your mouth. If race wasn't on your mind, you wouldn't have mentioned it. FYI, that statement is how black people pick out all the closet racists in a room.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
I don't share your views about the powers behind the throne. I don't think Obama's powers derive from anything but a mandate from the people who voted for him. Sure, a lot of things had to dovetail for a black man to become U.S. president. But that's neither here nor there. What's important now is that the country move forward. This birfer crap is garbage.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
A "reasonable" remedy to a fake problem. Assassination?

mmm-hmmmmmm.

And you advocate this?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Are you suggesting that assassination is a viable idea?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
juzjon: "No, we keep pressing hard enough for the open truth which until now, has been surpressed. We are not going away. "


You're not going away? You've never been a player in the game!!! You're the Bill Murray's of the NBA, imagining that your crossover is schooling Michael Jordan when, in reality, your influence is entirely imaginary!!

If you think President Obama knows or cares about you, you are mistaken.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
You were HOPING?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
UFO's are certainly more credible than birfers.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
No. Leadership is looking towards the future.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Looks like more Americans are starting to see the benefits of a debt free lifestyle. That's great!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31377442/ns/business-personal_finance


President Obama should take the lead in encouraging this movement, but he knows how obscenely profitable it is to live life in debt.

PLEASE, Mr. President. STAND UP AND KICK THESE DEBT MASTERS TO THE CURB!!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
the Targ Brigade.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
John: "Blackmon, if your so sure that the issue of Obonga's origin of birth, citizenship elegibility, nationality, etc., is such a pack of lies that has no chance, why do you spend so much time & effort on it?

There are millions of FREE Americans that want answers to these and other questions. Until they are answered, we won't stop."


You're free to continue. It's wasted effort. It's the moral equivalent of throwing rocks at Israeli tanks and thinking you are doing some damage while the Israeli's bulldoze your homes. You've picked an issue that has no chance of winning because it is not based on truth.

I waste my time debunking it, too, but I am arguing from the high legal ground. It's not possible for me to lose this argument since I know where the bodies are buried. I am not lying when I say this issue is entirely contrived.

If you disagree with Obama's policies, birferism is the worst possible tool. You have neither the law, the government, the populace, the media, nor truth on your side. You have a pack of loonies (like Linda Starr), racists (like Big Rooster), anti-Muslims (like Orly Taitz), and incompetents (like Phil Berg). I can't see a single advantage to your legal or tactical position.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
And hey, take this crap over to an idiot birfer thread. This is a serious thread for serious people. Once we get past all these birfer lies, we're still left with a country on the brink.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
First of all Rooster, YOUR bitch is out in your sty. I'm not her. I don't answer to YOU. YOU answer to ME. When I say jump, its YOU who pisses your pants, not the other way around.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
The problem is that we've been at a tipping point for some time now. At some point nothing on earth will be able to stop the runaway debt train.

Sure, we have enough military might to say, "We're not going to pay you. Now. What?" I mean, can't we just declare bankruptcy and absolve these debts?

Not without war. Which we can win. TODAY. But probably not 40 years from now at the present debt rate.

A good leader will look that far down the road.

The truth is, Obama needs to halt the runaway debt held by American citizens first, and create incentives to save money. Having cash reserves instead of debt reserves is the solution to our debt problem. The Chinese are cash flush because they live frugally and save their money. If we don't match them in saving dollar for dollar, we've got major problems no matter what Obama does. They've got four Chinese saving money for every American.

President Obama needs to make saving money a national imperative. He can't do that borrowing trillions.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Creek,

Go over to the PJ chatroom. We're massing to swarm up on Ed tonite. It'll be hilarious. Last month I barged into one of Phil Berg's radio shows. Oh man, you shoulda been there. He was freaking out!!!

http://politijab.com/phpBB3/chat/


blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Or you can go here:


http://politijab.com/phpBB3/chat/


And listen to Obots chatting about how to undermine and laugh at birfers while smirking about Ed Hale's show. You're a big tough guy. Show up.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Here's something for you, Rooster.

Do you know who Ed Hale is? He's a big, idiot Birfer from Texas, just like you. He runs an anti-Obama radio show called Plains Radio.

Well, tonite Ed is going to unveil another in a long line of failed birfer promises, all of which were guaranteed to bring down the Usurper.

I WILL BE THERE, ALONG WITH SCORES OF OTHER OBOTS LOOKING FOR A LAUGH. We're hoping he unveils the Kraken.

Ed's call-in phone number is 806 447 8270. The show starts at 21:00 EST.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
John,

I'm disappointed that Obama hasn't honored his promises to gays.

What other lies has he told? I'm sure there are more.

My research has led me to conclude that this entire birfer thingy is one huge uber-lie, bigger than anything Obama ever conceived. If you want to take him down, birferism isn't the venue. It's crap.

Stick to his policies and criticize him honestly. I've started a thread (see above) where my own doubts are manifest. But I have no doubts that this birfer stuff is based upon anything but lies and thinly disguised racism.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Sallietoo: "ONE QUESTION BLACKMONRIKKER: WHY DOES EVERYONE IN KENYA THINK BO WAS BORN IN KENYA??"

Well, I'd disagree with that assessment. But suppose they do. What does what a bunch of Kenyans think have to do with U.S. law?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
"A war consists of many battles, the winner of the last battle wins the war. "


I've already told you how birfers plan to win this war. You'll print up some bumper stickers in January 2017 that say, "End of an Error." and claim victory.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
I that comment (Your opinion isn't law) wasn't addressed to you, assmunch, was it? It was addressed to your bitch friend tsiya.

The courts have left both your asses as 540 lbs of chewed bubble gum. That's why you can't even point to a single MORAL victory in the courts, much less a LEGAL victory. None in the past, none in the future. You just have this venue to grind your axe.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
"The numbers on this site say your wrong blackie...and these are about as random as it gets. "

This website is .... overrun by people who are wrong. the only reason they come to this website is because they got their feelings hurt last November...by the real majority of Americans....who are out struggling to turn this country around.

BTW, you'll be happy to know that I've recouped the thousands and thousands of dollars I lost in the stock market last September. I'm back even. I'm not ahead yet, but I'm happier now than I was under GW Bush.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Your opinion isn't law.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Sealed records. That's what this is about?

Well, I'll tell you what you do. You grab the congressional record and trot right up to the White House and point out the law that says a President MUST release his school records and medical records.

I'm sure the President is waiting with baited breath for your appearance, since he knows he's ineligible.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Well, good luck!!

Call me when you get the first congressman who doesn't think you're all a bunch of fascist right wing nutjobs.

God knows the rest of the country thinks so.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
kandis: "The definitions are from "The Law of Nations"


Number one, which American wrote "The Law of Nations".

Number two, which portion of the Constitution explicitly refers to "The Law of Nations" as authoritative?

Congress is in charge of making the laws. So far, no one has shown me a law that will cause Congress to disqualify Obama. Not one congressmen supports your position. Nor do you have the support of right wing media. Nor do you have the support of the SCOTUS.

But, of course, you're right.

Hold that thought. You can't possibly have many others. If you let this one (one you got from Vatel) get away, it may be the last thought you get for some time.

You have to have spark to generate thoughts.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Easy. Point out any historical precedent where you've WON. Surely, SOMEONE SOMEWHERE in a position to make an unbiased legal opinion has ruled in your favor?

No?

Hmmmmph. I wonder why that is?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Hee-hee-hee!

It does my heart good to see such self-delusion!!

Keep up the good work!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
And this is hurting Obama....how?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
yeh, but it won't be this. You'd have to bring some competence to the courtroom to get it done. And all of you are flat out retards, including Orly.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
I bet you a billion dollars the judge dismisses Oily's case. A BILLION.

I bet you a second billion that, afterwards, Orly claims the judge is an Obot and unfit to sit on the bench.

You in?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Its the same idiot argument these birfers have been making, except I substitute Sarah's name.

Drives 'em nuts. (See thread below)
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
"Only the guilty hide the truth."

I know, right?

That's why Sarah Palin has to respond to all these ethics complaints with more than just legal fees.

COME CLEAN, SARAH!!! YOU MUST BE GUILTY TO BE PAYING BIG BUCKS TO ALL THESE LAWYERS!!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
"He will be required to show his documentation."

Ooooh. Don't leave yourself out there for ridicule, Apugh. "Required to show" = "Discovery". Obama hasn't even been served. When he is served, his lawyers will file for dismissal. And they'll get it.

How much you wanna bet?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Apugh,

Yes, Oily has a 7/13 hearing:

"Filed & Entered: 06/22/2009

Minutes of In Chambers Order/Directive - no proceeding held
Docket Text: MINUTES OF IN CHAMBERS ORDER by Judge David O. Carter: SETTING HEARING ON MOTION: Before the Court is a Motion by Plaintiffs for Reconsideration of Order to Show Cause or in the Alternative to Certify Question for Appeal. Court sets this matter for hearing on July 13, 2009 at 8:30a.m. in Courtroom 9D. Plaintiffs are directed to make every effort possible to ensure that all remaining defendants are aware of the hearing and provide documentation that the individual receiving service is authorized to accept on defendants' behalf."


Do you know she hasn't properly served ANY of the defendants? She just dropped off one of her dossiers. Just thought I'd drop that nugget out there.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
I fully agree, Stealth. This BC thing has become tiring. It's a shard of lies and innuendo. Only idiots believe it.

Thank you for your support.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
What are the chances that the current Congress will define NBC in a manner that hurts the president?


Yeh, that's what I thought.

Good try, though.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
The two-parent NBC idea is interesting. I believed it at first. But Congress has never defined NBC. Jus soli (just born here) is currently accepted law.

Getting Congress to define NBC as two citizen parent is your only hope of getting Obama not to run and win in 2012. It won't affect his current presidency retroactively.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
rejean: "My sausage if she 'd only come back to NY!! "


And then what would she do with her OTHER nostril?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Losers.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Apugh said: "You dwell on the "Birfer" issue without proving who you are either. Is this Obama trait of yours supposed to encourage people to believe you? Your rhetoric and name calling is driving people away from you."


Oh make no mistake. I AM NOT HERE TO CONVERT BIRFERS.

I am here to TAUNT you.

Don't get to thinking I give sheis what you think. I don't. I'm here to make you feel uncomfortable about posting lies.

Birfers like to exist in a thought vacuum. They can only proliferate in a culture where all the people feel comfortable about inventing any old theory and going with it.

By slapping these theories up against the law, I continually point out that the vast majority of Americans are sane. We don't live in la-la land. We live in a nation of laws. The same laws that protect you from privacy invasion protect Barack Obama.

I consider it a badge of honor that you vote down my threads. If you voted them up, I would think I'd suddenly become stupid, like you.

And we can't have that, can we?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
The problem is most of the above facts AREN'T TRUE.

For starters, the Pakistan “travel ban” is a complete fabrication based on zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Apugh,

You have NO clue who I really am. I am FAR from being at the bottom of the pyramid. I am one of the rainmakers. I KNOW every move Phil and Orly make before they make it. I've supplied them with valid legal strategies (anonymously, of course) that actually would help them in court--not because I wanted to see them win, but because I was certain they would fail. I WANT to see them work in court against a real defense lawyer.

PHIL DOES NOT WANT TO PROSECUTE ANY OF THESE CASES. He just wants to make accusations. He knows all of this is a tissue of lies. To him, it's just a cash cow with a moron donor base. He has no scruples against siphoning money from the fearful.

Orly is different. She is a true believer. But she's far south of incompetent. And she's clinically nuts. Whacko in the truest sense. She believes that dropping off countless dossiers at courthouses is the same as filing cases. She believes her persistence equates to legal rightness.

She's only licensed to practice in California. Recently, she attempted to enlist a lawyer friend of mine to help her file a complaint against Obama in another state. My lawyer friend immediately sent me all of her strategies and email contacts. We concocted a plan to thwart her. She's dangerous. She's the type who might encourage nutjobs like Rooster to shoot the president. I feel NO scruples about undermining her. When the true story of this birfer war comes out, you will find out who I am.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
"The problem is most of the above facts AREN'T TRUE.

For starters, the Pakistan “travel ban” is a complete fabrication based on zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records"
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Exactly what IS Sarah Palin hiding?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
And you're too stupid to know your Klan-ese. It would be Grand WIZARD Duke, dumbass.

Really, can you generate enough wattage to animate that pus filled mass you call a body?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
grand master = sheis sucker.

You admitted you sucked something. I just clarified the substance for you.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Janice Okubo: "Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
No, you did, Mr. Duke.

I told you that you were inferior. The race card is where the inferior go when they've absorbed enough ass whippings that they can't think of anything else.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
He loses the drill session so he plays the race card.

That doesn't work on me, rejean. I'm not a racist. I won't reply in kind, although I could.

Sniff your finger again. Now lick it. That's what your arguments are, rejean.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
rejean: "That's not ass that's your life "


You would make that mistake. Put your finger to your lips. Not put it under your nose.

Yeah. It's like that, rejean.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Name a case that you've WON, dumbass. NAME ONE.

If you can name a single win, I'll STFU and never return. JUST ONE, sheis-4-brains.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
It's my ass, rejean. I tried to get you to stop, but you wouldn't listen.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
You suck something out of me, but it isn't life.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Stings a bit, don't it?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Come on, dumbasses. Name one birfer court case that I didn't PREDICT the outcome of the case on the head. Name once where I ran afoul of U.S. law. Name one single legal venue that gives you hope that you can unseat the president.

You can't. You've been out-legaled and outsmarted at every turn. You are the Detroit Lions of litigation, the '76 Buccaneers. You suck. And you enjoy it.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Is any of this birfer related? No? Really, it's just misdirection, isn't it, dumbass?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
When have I been wrong about anything birfer related? How about NEVER. Even your boy Tonchen backs up everything I've said. Anti-birfers the world over have YOU to thank for pointing out the only intelligent birfer on the planet.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Starting to implode? When have I been wrong, dumbass? I have a 100% RIGHT rate. I'm here to continue YOUR meltdown. There isn't any reason for ME to implode. My job is to gloat about the plethora of birfer idiocies that crawl the web everyday.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
kichman,

You must be new here. Point out the law he is breaking by sealing his records or, more succinctly, asserting his right to privacy. The laws are in his favor. Prior presidents released their records. Fine. No law said they had to. This president chooses not to release his records. Fine. No law says he has to.

I have pointed this out repeatedly. He is not violating any law in any state by asserting his right to privacy. CarpentAnt and rejean and the rest of the short bus crew know this. And yet they scream and holler as if his assertion of his basic rights as a citizen is somehow sinister.

No one is listening to these tards. Not even the kings of tards, Limbaugh and Hannity, give this story any credence. What does that mean to CarpenterAnt? "They must be in on the conspiracy."

You can't reason with retards. You can only insult them.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Apugh,

Most of you have me labelled as an Obama sychophant. I'm not. I'm a full-out expert on birferism. I don't comment much about Obama.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Actually, if you see corruption on both sides, You and me are in the same boat. But I don't believe you see that far. And you certainly don't see far enough to imagine why I'm on this board in the first place. It's not as if I enjoy associating with these full-out morons, although I do enjoy taunting them.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
I can see who's getting their asses whipped. And I can tell who does most of the lying. Most of the lies are started by your side.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
And rejean? STFU. I'm serious.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
kichman,

Like most right wingers, you're wrong. The accusations against Palin are immaterial. I DON'T CARE.

I worded the post so that it sounds exactly like the repetitive idiot accusation that OBAMA must be hiding something because he pays his lawyers hundreds of thousands of dollars. Right wingers accept Obama's guilt-by-lawyer's-fees offense. But the same principle isn't true of Sarah Palin.

It's not the left's hypocrisy that is on trial here.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
WOW!!! ALL of you birfers have voted down (so far) a fair and balanced article about Orly Taitz, the leader of the birfer movement.

I can't understand why. Is there something wrong with the article? Is it tainted with liberal bias?

Or have I so offended you idiots in the past that you vote down anything I post?

I'm going to have to go with the latter.

So that means I'm winning.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Heee-hee-hee!!!

Stings a bit to be that stupid, don't it?

I really can't help you. I wouldn't if I could. I like watching you wallow in your own tardliness.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
“It’s just fascinating,” says Bob Haggard, a frequent poster on Politijab’s Orly Taitz forum. “She runs around the country doing things that amount to absolutely nothing. She tells her followers that she ‘files’ all sorts of documents, but she never files anything. She drops stuff off.”

Patrick McKinnion of Yes to Democracy puts it a different way: “There’s a certain amount of fascination with unbridled insanity, and that’s what you’re seeing with the birthers: a level of hatred that borders, if not absolutely pole-vaults, into insanity.”



OMG!!!! She never files anything!!! She just DROPS STUFF OFF!!!! TOO FUNNY!!!!

And this is what your birfer dollars are paying for!!!

I'm CRYING with laughter here. Trying to read the article while tweaking you birfer twits!!! TOOO FUNNY!!!

How's it feel to be this deep into tardland a think you're making sense?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
This article even takes a shot as us PJers!!!

"It sometimes seems as though the “anti-birther” community is just as obsessed as the people it keeps an eye on. On Politijab.com, there’s an entire forum devoted to Taitz, complete with topics such as “Orly’s Facebook Page” and “How Long Until Orly’s Breakdown?” At YesToDemocracy.com, bloggers provide regular updates on the latest birther activities, with some choice digs at the “nitrous-huffing,” “cavity creep” that is Orly Taitz."


Politijab makes it into the MSM!!!! This is the first reference I have seen to us in the MSM. We're on our way to the big time politics now!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Hee-hee-hee!!!

Stings a bit, don't it?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
In light of all these and other facts, Taitz argues that Obama should be forced to release his entire hospital-birthing file, passport information and college records.

The problem is most of the above facts AREN'T TRUE.

For starters, the Pakistan “travel ban” is a complete fabrication based on zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records and a 1981 New York Times article. The full transcript from Obama’s grandmother shows that she never said he was born in Kenya—in fact, she repeatedly said he was born in Hawaii. The law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs didn’t exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama’s published COLB says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961. And those “forensic experts” who say Obama’s document is phony? There have only been three of them: Two haven’t published their real names or any verifiable credentials (one went by the moniker “TechDude”), and the other merely said that she can’t make a determination of a document’s authenticity based solely on a JPEG.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
"What isn’t difficult is understanding why someone would buy the eligibility idea. Taitz, even with her tendency to misuse pronouns and mispronounce words, can put together an explanation in a few minutes that actually sounds compelling.

It goes like this:

Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the president of the United States must be, among other things, a “natural-born citizen.” There’s disagreement as to what that means (more on that later), but there’s no dispute that it requires a president to have been an American citizen at the time of his or her birth. Obama says he was born in Honolulu in 1961, but he has never publicly produced his original birth certificate—that piece of paper parents get when they have a new child, which features the name of the hospital as well as the name of the attending physician. Responding to rumors that Obama’s middle name is “Muhammad,” the Obama campaign in June 2008 published a scanned image of his Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), a short-form printout that doesn’t list hospital or doctor.

Taitz and others say they have reason to doubt the veracity of Obama’s COLB. Forensic experts have set up web pages and signed affidavits saying it’s a forgery. There’s a law on the books in Hawaii that allows foreign-born children to obtain a Hawaiian COLB. And the information on a late-registered COLB doesn’t need to be verified by anyone; it’s based solely on the testimony of one parent. On top of all that, there’s a recording and transcript of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother telling an interviewer that she was present when Barack Obama was born in Africa. And in 1981, Obama traveled to Pakistan; at the time, though, there was a ban on American passport holders entering that country."
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Yo, Redkite? Why would you vote against this? This is an article about Oily Taint!! The REAL DEAL!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
rejean,

who the hell is Michelle Malkin? Is she a tard like you? Why would I consider giving her lies any credence over typical birfer lies?

Really, you must know I have to prioritize the lies I address. I'm REALLY much better than you are. Now run along. Wapner will be on in nine minutes. Start your countdown.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
I'm chock full Carpie. Couldn't squeeze in another ounce.

But YOU could use a few. Call her up and ask her to pontificate the next time you send in your Enzyte order.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Obom,

When couples break up they both have to find someplace to live that they can afford. Since most people are living paycheck to paycheck anyway, child supports becomes an added burden which is often untenable.

Since both parents are responsible for bring up the children, what's wrong with SHARED FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. As far as possible, the chilren should spend an equal amount of time with each parent. The parents should equally share the costs, including rent, clothing, food, etc.

The only time child support should be awarded is when one of the parents decides to LEAVE the city or county of birth and thus becomes unable to share in actual parenting.

Parents who know they have a kid coming to their house 15 days a month (or every other week) are less prone to indulge in irresponsible acts. They have to sit in and help with homework, read bedtime stories, bandage bruised knees, change diapers, unplug toilets, and teach the art of changing bicycle tires.

This "primary caregiver" crap is complete psycho-babble BULLSH*T.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Carpie,

We have to be concerned about something. If we were concerned about her brains, there wouldn't really an issue, would there?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
evreport,

As always, I know the full story about that. Ahead of time. PJers are patiently awaiting the release of The Kraken. With glee.

I can't talk about it here.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
While I like the obvious snark behind your ideas, it's not practical. What would I do with my own arsenal? I've been stockpiling weapons against the day these right wing nutjobs actually decided to get up off their fat duffs and do something. Admittedly, most of them are big-mouthed cowards. But one or two of them might actually consider their lies as fact.

Here's something. We give everybody a test. If they show right wing tendencies, we disarm them, give them a crawdad net, and send them on their way.

That's sounds more reasonable.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
rejean,

I think she sanctioned fornication, an actionable sin, according to the Apostle Paul. Interestingly, the Bible never mentions abortion with same contemptuous language as it mentions fornication.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
rejean,

I think she sanctioned fornication, an actionable sin, according to the Apostle Paul. Interestingly, the Bible never mentions abortion with same contemptuous language as it mentions fornication.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Keith Olbermann rocks. If Keith said it, it must be true.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
I don't really care about Sarah.

I love tweaking these twits with their own logic. There's nothing funnier than having them go on a rant, turn the rant against one of their own, and watch the "DuHH!!!!"s ensue.

Of course, they don't like it much. But I'm not really here to cater to their wants, capece?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Stealth,

You're right. People in other countries would kill to have the rights we have. In a good chunk of the world, the people on this board who are lying about the President's birthplace would mysteriously disappear. And people like me who support the President would quickly turn against him, go underground, and support the Resistance. We are definitely unique.

Look, after we clear all this right wing idiot birfers out, we can actually start discussing methods of keeping this country afloat. We've got SERIOUS problems. Arguing about birfer lies is keeping serious Americans from addressing America's problems.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
misdirection, rejean. Another time-tested birfer tactic. This thread is about Alaska's fu manchu, not that fine hamma in the White House.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Rosepetal!! Why would you denigrate my intellectual capacity and vote FOR my ideas?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
"You're just saying this because Sarah Palin is White"

HeeEEEEEEEE-hee-heeeee!

HOO-HOO!!!

Yeh, yeh!! That's the ticket!! I'm a racist!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Lotsa right wingers glomming onto this one, Cluckie.

http://pub29.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=2442810129&frmid=8&msgid=1027477&cmd=show

Ed Hale and his sychophants are yukking it up!!
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Wouldn't it be easier to just pay $12 to Kinkos to make copies of the documents her tormentors are demanding? Why won't she do this?

It's obvious the documents don't exist. Either that, or she's hiding something.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Yet you did vote for it. It must have been a Freudian slip. Deep in your soul you, too, must be wondering what Sarah is hiding by paying her lawyers vast sums.

All of us are.

It's a well established legal principle supported by most of the right wingers here. Guilt is directly proportional to the amount of money paid to lawyers.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
rosepetal,

Thanks for your vote!! You're quote the smartie, aren't you?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Csrbev, Did Sarah or did Sarah not say the following in support of TARP?


"That's why I say, I, like every american I'm speaking with, we're ILL about this
position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bailout. But,
ultimately, what the bailout does is...help...those...who are concerned about the
healthcare reform that is needed....to....help shore up our economy..ummmm...helping the....
OHHH!! It's gotta be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and, and putting
it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in
spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans and trade, we've
we've got to see trade as opportunity not as, uhh, uhh, competitive, ummm, scary thing but one
in five jobs being created, uhhh, in the trade sector today we've, we've got to look at that
as more opportunity, all those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout
is a part of that."




I rest my case.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Ooohhhh! Touchy about Sarah, much?

Hee-hee!!

All of you are too stupid to know when your chains are being pulled.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
blah blah yada yada.


I have some nice crayons for you, and some fishsticks.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
ldrancer: "don't knwo what your talking about."


You also don't know about Monty Python to quote them properly. You forgot the duck and the witch in your plagiarized analogy.

Idiot.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Of course he's imperfect.

He's not ME.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
evreport,

Look at the voting patterns for this thread. If I substitute Obama's name for Palin's name, all of the idiots who voted this thread down would vote it up.

Not one of these mental giants sees the irony of that.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
csrbev said: "She must hire lawyers to put together the answers to these things otherwise she'll lose just because of default."

Contrast this with Obama's answers to birfer lawsuits. He only files for dismissals. Lately he's been asking for damages--and winning. Recently a judge calculated Obama's damages at $520. That's how much he's spending to file for each dismissal.

Why can't Sarah ask for damages and win?
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
Creek,

I don't think she's smart enough to be corrupt. I really think she's kinda, like, at rejean's level. Rejean is a full out tard.
blackmonrikker 8 months ago
rejean: "Keep trolling sh1t disturber,She's been cleared of ALL BS charges brought up by democratic nitwits .YOU Fear her and it shows.She is all democrats wish they had. "


I GENUINELY hope the Republicans run Sarah in 2012.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Creek,

Does that make her corrupt? She didn't keep the clothes. The RNC took them back. Sarah also charged the state of Alaska for working from home. I work from home. I do more work from home than I did when I worked from the office. Why shouldn't she charge them for that?

This thread is just birfer snark. I'm using the same idiot arguments the birfers use against Obama. When Obama is the target, it makes sense to them. When Palin is the target, it doesn't make sense.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Rooster,

Do you think all these ethical complaints will go away if Sarah comes clean?

I don't. If I was her, I would continue to stonewall, obfuscate and lie.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
And Creek, BTW, I don't think Sarah is corrupt.

I don't think she's BRIGHT.

But I don't think she's corrupt.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
OMG!!! This is the funniest thread ever!!!

Carpenturr1, did you say something about bringing false charges against Palin?!??!?? Unlike Obama, Palin actually has to PAY these bills.

Obama's lawyers make the plaintiffs pay.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
And this is a Faux News story!! By definition, it MUST be true!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
JordanKJjordan!! Why would you vote against this? I'm just trying to get to the bottom of Sarah's ethical malfeasance!!! It's positively un-American they way she is stonewalling about her crimes against the State of Alaska. Clearly, the governor is a Muslim whose intent is to violate the American Constitution.

Why else would she be paying all these lawyers to ward off these lawsuits, lawsuits that are simply seeking disclosure?

She must be hiding something. Her actions are taking us down the path to Communism.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
amphibious,

We're not talking about genetic programming. We're talking about equality before the LAW. There is no law that says a man cannot be the primary caregiver. In fact, the word "primary" in itself implies "gender superiority".

If a smart lawyer were to point that out, some jury somewhere might look at it and say, "Hey, there's an injustice going on here."
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Well, sheesh, you guys believe any other old thing you find on the internet, I figured....
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
No I didn't. I did a copy shortcut from the link. The link works.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Yes, it looks like the birthers have finally come up with the smoking gun that proves Obama was born overseas.

I know when I'm beaten.

Now, what can we do to get the Usurpers out of office?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I bet I know a lot more about David Lee Roth than you do. Did you know that all Van Halen concerts had a ban against brown M&M's in the dressing room? A single brown M&M anywhere in the room gave Van Halen the right to cancel the concert, take the money and roll. David Lee Roth came up with that clause in the standard VH contract.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"pre-conjugal agreement."

When I was whoring around as a young adult I strongly considered this option. VERY strongly.

David Lee Roth has a Lloyd's of London insurance policy that covers him against paternity suits. Last I heard, it costs him $10K a month. I considered that, too.

I solved the problem by getting married.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I'm opposed to men walking away from their children. To me this whole argument is only a legal exercise for father's equality.

I fear Rooster is right, though. People don't tend to change their habits. They would only find unique solutions (such as abortion) to continue their habits.

My point is that the legal argument I use to support men's abortion rights is as strong as the legal argument pro-abortion people use. My argument would get people thinking about abortion in new ways. If abortion is legal in its present form, it's not just fetus rights that get trampled. Father's rights get trampled, too.

That said, you note I haven't voted in this thread. I can't have an abortion; my youngest child is 14. I'm done procreating.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Apugh,

My point is that I haven't seen any anti-abortion rights people use my argument that men have the same parental rights as women. Right now, women have a right that men don't have. If some intrepid minded anti-abortion lawyer were to demand full parental and reproductory rights for men, AND WIN, wouldn't the pregnancy rate plummet, and the abortion rate as well?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
gypsy,

Boil this down to a cogent point and get back to me.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Creek,

I'm wholly ambivalent to gay issues, other than to say that if Obama promised them something, he ought to come thru. I feel betrayed when right wingers that I've accused of being liars point out Obama's campaign rhetoric and constrast it against what he has actually done. He's trying to play up to middle America. I would bet that most middle Americans could give a rats ass whether gay people are married or not. Elections certainly don't hinge on that topic. Elections DO hinge on honesty issues, though.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
spoofer thread. look at the join date.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
If the abortion law means men can walk away from pregnancies, there wouldn't be so many unwanted pregnancies.

Right now women know they've got 20 years of tax free paychecks coming for every unwanted child they bear. But if the men could legally walk away by citing their abortion rights, that would change overnight.

I would put a HUGE dent in illegitimacy in this country.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Apugh,

You're missing my point. THINK IT THRU.

Lots of people are anti-abortion. (Not me, admittedly. I don't care.) But suppose you are rabidly anti-abortion. You go into court and SUE so that men can obtain the right to demand an abortion, based on the principle of equality of responsibility.

Pro-abortion advocates would scream bloody murder. Obviously it would mean men could walk away from pregnancies just the same as women. That wasn't the original intent of Roe v. Wade, but it isn't a logical stretch. If a woman can renounce maternity by abortion, why can't a man renounce paternity via abortion?

THINK IT THRU.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You obvoiusly don't know that most Africans hold African-Americans in contempt because most African-Americans (or Negroes, as they were called in 1961) identify themselves by their race, not their nationality.

Africans run their own countries. Negroes don't.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"People don't spend a million dollars on lawyers to fend off innuendo."


That may be true, but Obama isn't spending millions. He isn't even spending thousands. He's filing for dismissals, getting them, and demanding that the plaintiffs pay his lawyer fees. And he's getting it.

Obama has spent less than $5K on birfer lawsuits.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
It couldn't be that Obama Sr. offered African as his race, not being familiar with U.S. racial mores, and the Hawaiian DOH went with it?

Are you aware that Obama Sr. could have said Caucasian and the DOH would have accepted it? The DOH tends to accept the racial designations that are offered. My cousin's husband is clearly black, but has a wicked sense of humor. His Florida Driver's license lists his race as White, non Hispanic.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I'll tell you what could be more constructive. Putting the economy back on a firm footing by living within our means. the BC issue is a red herring and a legal loser.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You also didn't mention my reference to Title IX. The law made us have to choose girls on pick up football, basketball and volleyball teams. We went co-ed.

I never complained. I was always a captain. I always picked the same girl early in the draft. She was manly, if you get my drift, and a pretty good athlete. I used to hit her wide open for touchdowns because the other team wouldn't cover her.

But still, it was weird having girls in gym class. I'll never forget thinking, "They stink just like guys when they sweat."

At some point someone is going to turn that law around and use it both ways.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
So, Sobi, you don't think that a male demand for equality in negative reproduction laws can stand up to the vast outcry against the idea by women? Because, if gays can demand marriage rights and get them in some places, I don't see why men can't demand equality in abortion rights. Other than, of course, our long history of child abandonment and the needs of society.

I dunno. I see that as a close argument in court. The phrase 'equality before the law' somehow keeps ringing in my head.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"Right now the law is deaf to your claim of inequality because men have been walking for centuries, and society is tired of paying for it. So for a few dozen years, women have finally caught up in terms of legal power to claim the right to terminate or the right to child support, and you are stunned that an immediate correction is not taken to pave men's way to walk again?"


Sobi, current laws about abortion seem to make my arguments plausible.

Now, don't get me wrong. I've been married forever. I'm black. My biggest pain in life is black men who walk out on their children, especially boys. I've seen so many stunted boys because they don't have a man in the house. 70%!!!!!

But it seems to me that someone could use abortion law to facilitate child abandonment, or else overturn women's rights to have an abortion. Under my arguments, abortion is almost akin to Affirmation Action for women. You see my point?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"Convince the courts that a squalling little bundle of flesh that you had a hand in producing should not be your responsibility. "

AH-AH. NO. That's NOT what I'm saying. Once the child is here, both parties are stuck.

I'm saying that if a woman has the right to ditch and walk away during the pregnancy, WHY CAN'T A MAN?!?

(I'm not sure that I'm not trying to convince myself that either men get that same right or take that right away from women, too. I think that's the converse of my argument, only I'm still percolating. This is the first time I've considered it. The more I think about it, the less fair things seem.)
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
And there are physical differences too, but Title IX still exists. When I was in high school one year everything was normal. And then one year we had to pick girls and put them on our phys ed. football teams.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I wonder if a man could challenge Roe v Wade and obtain the right to renounce a pregnancy?

Follow me here:

Of course, women would raise holy hell. You haven't seen the outcry that lawsuit would engender.

But I'm trying to see why a man shouldn't be able to ask for equal paternity rights under the law? Sobi, you haven't explained WHY things are the way they are.

Not trying to be deliberately dense. But the more I think about it, the less sense it makes for men to not assert this right.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
two people as jointly responsible. The woman had just as much responsibility for the pregnancy as the man.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I mean, who cares if he gives them marriage benefits? What's the big deal?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Creek,

Yeh. I was glued to the TV throughout the campaign. (I work from home). So I watched most of his speeches and McCain's speeches. I was there when he claimed regular Americans should have access to the same health care that Congress gets. No way that will happen.

But I think he's stumbled badly by ignoring his promises to the gays. They are highly visible and very loud. Rachel and Keith are big supporters of the gay movement. I believe that Obama is using the anti gay marriage vote in California to misread what the people who elected him want.

CHANGE.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
the law looks at a pregnant woman as TWO PEOPLE being pregnant, and jointly responsible. But only the woman has the right to terminate that joint responsibility, not the man. Why?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"Do you need a law to say that? It works that way."


Yeh, now that I think about it, I DO. Shouldn't there be equality? If a woman can terminate, why can't a man?

(My true motive being to give an incentive for youngsters to be more careful. Right now the laws are stacked against men and they don't find out until they get into family court)
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Dwight Howard of the Orlando Magic lives around the corner from me. Dwight is 23. Dwight pays $5000/month in child support, plus rent, schooling and transportaion for a 1 year old.

I've got four kids. The four of them together may have cost me a thousand a month, total, and we live comfortably. That includes EVERYTHING other than college tuition; all my college aged kids earned scholarships.

I don't know what you consider to be lucrative, but Howard's kid is living large. There's no way he consumes that many resources. He wouldn't consume that many resources if he lived with his dad. It doesn't cost that much to raise a child.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
sobi: "The other other thing that doesn't come into play once a woman is pregnant is a man's capacity to engage as an equal partner. He forfeited when he left all responsibility for birth control in her hands. "


Whoa!! forfeited his right to be an equal partner? Where is the law that says that? Is there one? I know that it works that way in practice, but is there an actual law that says so?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Sobi,

I'm not implying anything. I was just thinking about it out in my yard an hour ago. I never think about abortion. It never crosses my mind. But it occurred to me that women have a right that men don't have.

Can you think of a right that men have that women don't have?

Hmmmm. The right to go topless at a public beach. The right to pee on the side of a road. The right to monopolize the remote control. Yada yada yada.

None of these things are as lucrative as child birth to a woman, if she gets the right guy.

(I don't know why I started thinking about this. I was putting in some sod and it just popped into my head. I want a woman's opinion. Not my wife. Her opinion will be to question me about mine. And I don't have an opinion, only questions.)
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Well, I think the contraceptive measures taken don't come into play once a woman is pregnant. The abortion doctor isn't clocking her for not using sufficient contraception.

I would bet you that if men had the right to renounce paternity before the child was born, there would be a HUGE drop in unprotected sexual encounters. Women would be like, "WHOA!!! NO WAY!!!", if they didn't know than an unplanned pregnancy could provide some long term financial security.

And that's a good thing, don't you think?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Other than to point out the spoofer, I haven't commented in this thread.

Rooster: "Just look at certificate a little closer...closer...closer...do you see that it says Obama is a female and that he was born in 1666 or that his last name is OSAMA...several things were removed from what factcheck posted...his birth place is hell....registrar date Aug. 8th 1999. "


Yes, even the BC above is a spoof. But no anti-birfer lawyer has submitted it as evidence in a case before a federal court. Phil Berg has submitted a similar fraud (that he didn't examine) to an actual court.

You're laughing because you fooled some anti-birfers who didn't look real close. But none of us are at the forefront of our respective camps. Phil is.

You can laugh at the people the spoofer fooled. But when we laugh at Phil, we get to laugh at ALL birfers collectively, because you believe him.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
creek,

Obama is starting to incur the wrath of his most ardent supporters. that's not good. Olbermann is skewering him nightly for reneging on campaign promises. I whince every time I hear one of his supporters detail what he said on the campaign stump and what he is saying now.

He had abundant political capital to spend, but it seems that he is allowing the Rush/Newt/Cheney troika to influence some of his decisions. He seems inordinately interested in FauX News opinions of him.

I would tell them to go take a flying look at my approval ratings, the same way they do with MSNBC. And I would take particular delight in pushing my agenda while I had the political muscle.

I've said that abortion is a non-issue to me because it doesn't affect me. Gay issues don't affect me either. Nor do immigration issues. I don't care about any of these three things. Whatever he said he was going to do about these things from the stump is what he should do. It lends credence to dumbasses like rejean and Carpenturr1 when he backs away from clear statements of policy. This spinelessness is poison to any president. He's got to stand for something or he will fall for anything.

I'm admittedly nervous. Indecision is one of the most difficult perceptions to overcome. It's better to be reckless and claim "I was right in the first place" than to be perceived as indecisive.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I never called the oil companies 'evil' and I'm not trying to make them weak. I'm trying to come up with a method of solving the national debt.

Clearly, the onus is going to fall on tax payers. Corporations never pay a penny of tax. They pass it on to consumers. Doubling the gas tax will not hurt the oil companies because consumers will pay it.

The only pain the oil companies will feel is a pinch in their clearly obscene profit margins. TEN BILLION A QUARTER FOR EXXON/MOBIL for the past several years? You gotta be kidding me. If they had any patriotic spirit, they would share some of that with GM and Chrysler, the companies that built the gas guzzlers that consumed the gas that produced those profits.

When I was a young man I worked for Ford. Even at that time it was common knowledge that water could be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen components and used as fuel. I drew up plans for it when I was 19.

The Ford engineers laughed. "we've had this technology for years. NASA has it. Do you think the oil companies will allow us to build this?"

True story.

Why aren't the oil companies bailing out GM and Chrysler? They are the ones who stand the most to lose if GM goes ahead with water engines. The only drawback is that hydrogen burns hotter than gasoline. They'd have to come up with new heat resistant metal combinations and heat sinks to keep the engines from melting. But I was led to believe that already had been done back in 1979.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"What do you know about that man that got shot while setting in his car that was supposed to be a key witness in some case that had to do with the three guys that looked into Obamas passport a while back?"


In Arkansas? All I know is that Linda Starr claimed the guy was a friend of hers, and she said the same thing would happen to her because she was on Obama's trail. She's made lots of claims. But I know more about Linda than I do about this murder.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Well, if you want to get the NBC issue decided by a judge you'll have to get around standing.

So you're in a Catch-22. The laws aren't on your side. Tonchen hints at this, but doesn't describe the full brunt of the situation.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Rooster,

"Any good team of lawyers"?

You do understand that CONGRESSMEN will pass a law on this? It won't be decided by lawyers in court. According to Tonchen, it is up to Congress to define the term and write legislation around it.

So far, in 232 years, it hasn't been done.

My question is, will the current Congress write a law that is favorable to birfer sentiments? No lawyers, other than voting congressmen who happen to be lawyers.

Not one congressman has publicly supported birfer ideas, not even Ron Paul.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Rooster,

I took the time to read Tonchen's entire piece. He is the most intelligent birfer I have run across, and I have run across hundreds of them. His explanations are fair and describe the laws and the underpinnings of both birfer and anti-birfer arguments. (He attended Rochester Inst. of Technology. So did I. So that may explain his fecundity)

He concludes that the only real claim that the birfers have is the definition of NBC. None of their other arguments, including the 'forged' BC and the Kenyan birth theory, are supported by strong, court-worthy evidence.

He admits that Congress has not passed any law defining NBC, but he avoids drawing any conclusions about that.

I will, though.

If Congress passes a law that NBC means both parents born in America, then Barack cannot run again in 2012. It won't affect his current presidency in all likelihood.

How likely is it that a Democratic congress will pass such a law? Tonchen sidesteps that obvious corollary to his NBC definition theory.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
John,

Your view, while classicly Republican, is unrealistic. You can't complain about the bankruptcy and not realize that only a tax increase will put us on the road to self-sufficiency. We can't keep borrowing from the Chinese to pay these debts. We HAVE to scrounge up the money from among our own.


I am vehemently opposed to new taxes to cover past piss poor decisions. But what's going to happen when the Chinese say, "No thank you." to one of our T-bill offerings? That day is coming.

The oil companies have been sucking at our teets for years. You can't possibly think that $4/gal gasoline is driven by supply and demand. It's driven by the oil companies MANIPULATING the supply. It's not like they don't know how much gas is going to be consumed every summer. They deliberately tinker with the amount of refined gas available.

I'm suggesting that they take a three year hit to cover for their multi-billion dollar profits these past few years. After three years we'd re-evaluate the situation. I am in no way suggesting this as a permanent tax solution, although I am aware that Congress finds a way to consume every surplus.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
John,

I AGREE with your last post. 100%.

NORMALLY.

But this ain't normal times. WE ARE BANKRUPT. BROKE. Not a pot to piss in. Something has to be done. The oil companies are already stinkin' rich from years of gouging. It's time for them to pony up.

Did I mention I think this should be limited to only three years? I think the oil companies can hold off on gouging for that long while the government attempts to square it's accounts.

This is drastic thinking, John, not what I would normally propose. Your solution doesn't take into account that we are BROKE.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I also believe that ALL tax laws ought to have an expiration date. Each generation should be able to decide how they want to be taxed. Income taxes should expire every 20 years or so to give a new Congress the opportunity to look at fresh sources. National sales tax? Flat tax? Gas tax? Energy tax? Internet tax? Whatever.

The people who came up with the present system are long dead. Let's have a new generation have a look at new problems and solve them in new ways.

That way, at least these leaches in Washington can earn their pay every generation.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You're wasting your time, moderator. Clucker read Stephen Tonchen's well-written birfer apologia and came away with the impression that birferism has a solid foundation. Tonchen, while admittedly a birfer, was at least honest enough to conclude that birferism is based on supposition, not law.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
John,

You've criticized me, but you've only posted half my comment. I think the price of a gallon of gas should be capped at $2.60/gal for, say, three years, summer and winter. The oil companies gouge us in the summers and trickle the price down as parsimoniously as possible during the winters.

My suggestion is that gas stay at the same price for three consecutive years. That way the oil companies can make their profits during the winter, when the price of gas ought to be at $1.50/gal. And we don't get raped during the summers.

But the U.S. is bankrupt. Only a fool wouldn't see that we need new income sources. I propose that the federal gas tax be raised from .18/gal to .40/gal AND that the price of gas be capped. Richard Nixon originally capped prices in 1970 and no one died then.

Doubling the gas tax while capping the price of gas will generate hundreds of billions in new revenues for the govt while keeping gas prices stable. The only people who get pinched are the oil companies who have been effing us in the A for years. And they still make a profit, just not as much.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I am omniscient. How did YOU know?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Janet Okubo:

"Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
rejean,

forrest gump is alive. He lives on thru people like you, except you haven't had his uncanny knack for luck or hard work or dedication to your friends. You just picked up his intellect.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
War with the Chinese is inevitable. They are an ascendent nation with a clear vision of the future. They have become a manufacturing powerhouse. Their people save 30% of their incomes. They have 1.3 billion citizens and their army dwarfs ours.

We owe them trillions. TRILLIONS.

We won't be able to pay them back without making territorial concessions. Our currency is worthless.

I know a lot of you would like to blame Obama for this. I only blame him for taking an easy road. There's nothing wrong with telling people 'No, you can't have that.'

We can't afford universal health care right now. Period. We can't afford TARP right now. Period. The failures of GM, AIG, and all these other businesses can be laid directly at the feet of the oil companies gross negligence the past few years. Ten billion dollars in PROFIT every quarter? The price of a gallon of gas has squeezed discretion spending out of every budget. No new cars, certainly no big cars. No eating out.

If Obama was SMART he'd put a cap on the price of a gallon of gas and he'd double the gas tax.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
His numbers are going down because he's not living up to his campaign promises to LIBERALS, not because of anything you idiots are doing. He promised to end the war. He hasn't. He promised gay people that he'd end 'don't ask/don't tell'. He hasn't. He waffled on the gay marriage thingy. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow are skewering him nightly. He isn't pandering to his base. He promised change. We expected change. This isn't change. This is listening to the opinions of people who didn't vote for him and aren't ever going to vote for him: THE MINORITY.

His numbers will continue to plummet until he grows a spine and tells you right wingers to STFU.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
The BC is not an issue unless someone can prove that the State of Hawaii conspired to defraud or had a reason to lie about Obama's citizenship. Really, it's not Obama the Berg should be suing, it is Hawaii. Andy Martin was smart enough to see that.

Stephen Tonchen correctly pointed out that Congress has never passed a law affirming the definition of Natural Born Citizen. If Congress affirms the two-parent definition of NBC, it will mean Obama won't be able to run again in 2012. It won't affect his currect presidency retroactively.

What are the chances that the current Democratic Congress will pass such a law?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Johndotcom: "What a pathetic bunch of options.
War, Tarp, cut Taxes,Depression.
Only a Governmentalist, Facsist would
choose any of those."

It's dark if you keep your head in the sand, John. That's what Bush handed him. Those were the only options left over from a Republican administration. Oh, I forgot the ongoing bankruptcy issue....

Given these choices, I'd say it's amazing the ship is still afloat.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Spoofer thread.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I told you. I had water polo practice with my son tonite. If its any of your business. You can tell the difference between the spoofer and me by checking the sign up date. His is 6/17.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
apugh, it says I can't type, nothing more.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Suckers.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Johndotcom,

I've repeatedly asked neocons for an honest plan for dealing with the economic crisis that Bush handed Obama. By my account Obama had three options:

1) Long term depression and asset depreciation until homes (which forms the basis of much American wealth) fall into line with wages. Two income families that barely make $100K/year can't afford to pay for median priced homes.

2) War. Historically, capitalist countries have pulled themselves out of economic crises by starting or entering wars. In this case, our adversary would be our biggest debtor, China.

3). TARP.

(Some of my Republican friends said he had a fourth option:

4) Cut taxes to spur economic growth. Politically inadvisable, considering the results this policy delivered to the previous administration)


I would have chosen option one. Depressions hurt. But pains builds character. Pain forces your muscles to work and your mind to develop creative strategies to get out of pain. Depression to capitalism is the same thing as exercise to a fat ass. It hurts at first, but the long term benefits are considerable.


Obama chose TARP. By my account, all that does is make a fat, lazy country just fatter. It was the soft, easy decision. And worse, it makes option 2 more likely.


Talk me down.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
It'll be four years before we get another black president.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
lmeditato, this is a good idea and i voted for it, but it won't work. First, the people with decent ideas will shrink before the less than stellar intellects that bombard this site (see the blackmonrikker spoofer, carpenturr1 and Big Rooster).

Second, the site administrators haven't detailed the criteria for advancing good ideas beyond the talking stage. The voting here is along political lines. Obama is a liberal. Most of the country supports his liberal agenda. It's a waste of time trying to cobble together support from his enemies. He ought to stand up for his supporters and push his agenda thru, and damn the torpedoes.

I've been disappointed with his recent waffling. He's pandering to people who won't support him. He promised to end the war. Do it. He made promises to the gays. Keep them. He made promises to get the debt under control. DO IT, OR AT LEAST OUTLINE A PLAN.

He doesn't need to even throw the Limbaugh/Cheney/Gringrich cabal a single bone.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Actually, I have a life, cluckie. I'm getting PAID while I sit at this computer. When I'm not here I'm living at the beach or playing water polo with my son's team. As in tonite's practice....
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Moderator,

I thought you said you were going to take care of the spoofer? that's not me you are talking to. Check the sign in date for his ID.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Yes, I was about to mention that. He's also logged in as blackmonrikkker and blackmonrikkr and nikkrahed. Originally he was jimmy.simpson55
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Are you really me? It's easy to tell. just click on your name in the upper left corner of your post. Then click on mine.

The mouseclick on my name will sound more intelligent.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Moderator,

Clucker doesn't see the absurdity of his question, nor does he recognize that the govt doesn't care about the LFBC. There is no LFBC. Only what the state of Hawaii supplies today from digital records is sufficient.

But that means Obama must be hiding something.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I know that he hasn't acted on my suggestions yet. Or else you wouldn't be here.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Is Hulk Hogan still in the NWO? Last I heard he had went back to being a good guy.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Moderator,

Thanks for the weigh in, but aren't you supposed to be impartial?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
au contraire, monsieur birfer!!! Please, spoofer!! Continue!!!

You only prove my points about the gullibility factor of these tardlike birfers, people who will believe ANYTHING as long as it doesn't require them to dredge up facts to support it!!!

Anyone can see that the spoofer is a birfer tard, too, from his grammatical errors.

blackmonrikker 9 months ago
LOL!!

If anyone needed any more proof about the low IQ's prevalent among birfers, it's this thread. This thread was started by a birfer who is spoofing me, a truther. You idiots saw my name and, without examining the sarcasm in the spoofer's posts, IMMEDIATELY VOTED IT DOWN!!!


RETARDS!!!!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
yeh, that's the ticket. They're getting scared. It couldn't possibly be because the news cycle is slow and they want somebody to laugh at.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
spoofer thread. not real rikker.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Spoofer thread. Not real rikker.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Rejean,

Dumbass. I didn't start this thread. The spoofer did.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Just because my scope is limited to two issues doesn't mean I am generally ignorant of other issues. It just means I'm not willing to argue about other issues. Every time you guys bring up birfer I'm going to argue against you. Birferism is an invented lie.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Apugh: "What are you trying to achieve? "


I'm trying to annoy you as much as you birfers annoy me with this crap. Birfers don't like having their arguments contrasted against the law. I dislike stupidity. When the stupidity goes away, so will the legal contrasts.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
gypsy: "The arguements Im seeing are that people are very frustrated and its and issue that is not going away because of obamas and his adsministrations game to shooo it away...People are including me who know how these guys from the Ill area work expected this and it will get worse....These people think they can do what ever they want....and when regular people see this kind of really illegal behavior being protected "


I agree with you. It's frustration.

Two things. I don't think Obama is deliberately trying to shoo this away. I don't think he believes it is an issue at all. He's ignoring it, but he's not actively hiding anything. He doesn't have to. As I've pointed out repeatly, he already has the law on his side.

Second, the frustration doesn't give birfers leave to invent lies. This whole Kenyan birth story was a deliberate political construct based on lies. The only real issue here is whether Obama is NBC, based on his father's citizenship. Tonchen admits that Congress has never passed a law defining NBC. Hence, Obama is not on the wrong side of any citizenship law.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Peter Tonchen again:

"5. In a nutshell, what is the Obama eligibility controversy?
The following information comes directly from Barack Obama's website:

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982. (FactCheck.org, as quoted in Obama's "Fight the Smears" webpage regarding his birth certificate, emphasis added).
The main controversy boils down to this one question:

If Barack Obama Jr. was born in the United States but, at the time of his birth, his father was a citizen of a foreign country and not a U.S. citizen, does Barack Obama Jr. meet the Constitutional "natural born citizen" requirement for presidency?"



This keffer is quoting me!!!! This is the only murky legal question that needs answering. NONE OF PHIL BERG'S LEGAL FILINGS ADDRESS THIS ISSUE!! That's why I don't believe Phil wants any of these cases to go to trial. He's only in it for the money.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Peter Tonchen:

"There is no doubt that, if you were born in the United States and both of your parents were U.S. citizens at the time of your birth, you are a natural born citizen.

Throughout American history, various "authorities" (judges, district attorneys, legal experts, etc.) have expressed support for the "citizenship-by-birthplace-alone" theory. According to this theory, U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents are citizens at birth and presumably natural born citizens as well.

The "citizenship-by-birthplace-alone" theory is unproven and remains subject to doubt."



Excellent. Just excellent.

This guy is the smartest birfer I've run across. I'd thought ALL of you were blue-gum idiots. Here's the exception that proves me wrong. I'm humbled and happy to be wrong!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Nevermind, douchebag. I got it.

http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"Are you sure you want to go to a right leaning URL?"


I tend to hang out in right wing sites. You can't really learn anything by hanging out with people that agree with you all the time.

URL, please.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"we really don't like you...even aside from politics and birther issues we don't like you."

So? What's your point? Lots of people tend to dislike people who horn into conversations with facts that upset their own predispositions.

Nobody forces you to read my posts.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Wow, clucker. Your article intelligently discusses the differences between jus soli and jus sanguin. Where did you get this? I'm impressed! This ain't your ordinary birfer claptrap!! Someone that's intelligent wrote this.

URL, please?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You can tell who the spoofer is by clicking on his name at the top of his posts. The spoofer just signed up to post today. I signed up weeks ago.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Gypsy,

I am not arguing the validity of Obama's policies. I've admitted that you may have solid points about his POLICIES. I disagree with a lot of his policies.

I am saying this birfer issue makes all your substantive statements suspect. It's the moral equivalent of watching a rocket scientist dig boogers from his nose while discussing Thevinen's theories. The audience begins to wonder if he's serious.

Birferism is clouding your serious issues. It's bullsh*t.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Mother Clucker said: "If you read what I gave you you would find that it doesn't support your argument at all. It debunks it entirely."

Yep. In Elbonian, maybe. In English it kicks you to the curb.

Look, lets not argue about this. You've already shown you ability to ignore the clear English statements made by Hawaiian authorities. Now you're trying to mangle the English submitted by your own sources. This article, while clearly written from the birfer point of view, clearly admits that birfer ideas are improbable and have no legal basis.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
the spoofer is jimmy.simpson55. He was banned last week and has returned in yet another incarnation. he's also nikrahed, blackmonrikkker and blackmonrikkr.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
the spoofer is back. He's getting better. I can't tell how he is spoofing my ID. He must be using my name on some public email account.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Clucker,

I'd like the URL because I'd like to read the entire article in depth and in context. I enjoy researching things for myself. what's your source? They are actually pretty good.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
rejean,

Actually no. I'm actually a pretty fair minded guy. I've been begging you people to talk me down and produce the first shred of evidence of your claims. I want something more than "He MUST be hiding something!!" and "He's leading us down the path to Socialism!!" and "His own grandmother said...."


I wanted you to point out U.S. LAW, something that can actually be used as a weapon. Clucker, here, was the first birfer to post something substantive, and his post proves my points entirely. Birferism is entirely based on supposition. Which isn't unusual because it was originally a created poltical issue.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Clucker,

Would it be too much to ask for the URL where you plagiarized this information?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
whiztech,

You don't have to believe me about Phil's lies. Go listen to the tape of the Sarah Obama interview.

Phil hired a guy named Ron McCrae to go and substantiate the allegations he made in his August 2008 court filings. Ron McCrae does not speak Luo, so he hired a translator named Shuhubria. On the tape, Ron talks to SHuhubria who talks to Sarah. There is a lot of confusion and dead are during the translations. McCrae asks if Obama was born in Kenya. Sarah replies yes. Shortly thereafter, Sarah's grandson points out the Shuhubria is talking about Obama JR. Sarah then says, "Oh, I thought you were talking about my SON, not my grandson. Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii".

When this is said, McCrae gets pissed and disappointed and tries to get her to go back to her earlier statement in which she clearly was talking about Obama SR.

PHIL BERG EDITED THIS PORTION OFF THE TAPE BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTED HIS ORIGINAL COURT FILING.

THAT'S THE TRUTH.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Gypsy, they just hold them for moderation. If the idea is substantive and isn't a duplicate, they'll get around to posting it. They moderate my ideas, too, and all I ever talk about are birferisms.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Rooster,

BFD about your daughter. What does that have to do with the birth of a bi-racial child in Hawaii? What legal weight does it carry?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
whizteck: "his own family in Kenya admit he was born there"


His family, the Pope, the Queen of England, Jesus Christ and Billy Graham could all say he was born there.

None of their comments supercede U.S. law.

And besides, his family said he was born in America. PHIL BERG said his family said he was born in Kenya. Phil lied. And you believed it.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
What a sucker you are, mother clucker!! You just posted more grist for my own mill!! That post actually confirms my comments about your legally tenuous position, and it adds birfer suppositions, and mentions them as improbable, but conceivable.

That's the best and most honest spin I've ever seen from a birfer apologia.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
More from the clucker's evidence:

"But consider this hypothetical scenario: Suppose Stanley Ann Obama (President Obama's mother) had been a resident of Hawaii since June 1960. Suppose that, in November or December 1960, upon learning of her pregnancy, she received prenatal care from a local doctor in Hawaii. Suppose that, on Monday August 7, 1961, she walked into her doctor's office, carrying a recently-born baby in her arms. Suppose she told her doctor that the birth took place, suddenly and unexpectedly, on Friday evening, August 4, 1961. Suppose she said that, when she gave birth, no one else was present, except Madelyn Dunham, the baby's maternal grandmother, who assisted with the delivery. Suppose the doctor examined this baby and found nothing that conclusively disproved Stanley Ann's story. "



I count six "suppose"'s in this. None of which can legally contradict Dr. Fukino or Dr. Okubo.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Next time you post something intelligent, Clucker, make sure you emulate Phil Berg and redact the sections which dump sh*t on your beliefs and arguments. None of you birfers seem to have moral qualms about lying. Why start offering up common sense now?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
And some more typical "what if" theory from your "proof":

"...What if Stanley Ann and her recently-born baby had arrived, on an overseas flight, at Honolulu International Airport, on Sunday, August 6, 1961? In the absence of an original birth certificate, such theoretical possibilities, however implausible and far fetched, cannot be entirely ruled out. "


Two day trip from Mombasa in 1961 while recovering from childbirth? You've never commented on the probability of that one. Far fetched is at the low end of that probability.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Also, from your very intelligent cut and past:


"there is little doubt that President Obama's original Hawaiian birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii. Under the laws that were in effect in Hawaii when Barack Obama was born, the State of Hawaii would not have knowingly issued a Hawaiian birth certificate to anyone born outside of Hawaii. "


You really have undercut your earlier idiot arguments, Clucker.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Holy crap!!! An intelligent response!! Cluckie!! You're learning!!


The only legal point birfers MAY have is the definition of natural born citizen. If it means two citizen parents, Obama does not meet that definition.

But, from your own plagiarized missive above:

"So far, Congress has not passed any law that defines "natural born citizen". "


So my original assertion stands. Birfism is a created issue, a political ploy. No law currently exists that supports birferism.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Phil Berg tried this tack with his super sekrit sealed suit. he claimed that, since Obama is not a citizen, he committed fraud when he accepted money for sitting as a U.S. Senator.


Last week the U.S. Attorney General refused to proceed with the case.

Says Phil:

"Berg said, “What a miscarriage of justice! At a closed door hearing on June 9, 2009 because of the status of the “sealed case,” sealed because of the nature of the case, that being a “Qui Tam” or FCA [False Claims Action] case, the Attorney General through his representatives refused to proceed with the prosecution of Obama for fraudulently serving as a U.S. Senator from Illinois for 3 ½ years. [FCA cases are usually used in Medicare/Medicaid fraud cases]”

Berg continued, “I presented overwhelming evidence that Obama was ineligible to be a U.S. Senator and therefore, Obama fraudulently received a salary and benefits of nearly $1 Million Dollars."
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Believe it or not, Apugh, right now our country is doing some REAL nasty, immoral sh*t that all of us would deny, if we were to find out about it. Every country has skeletons and dirt that they don't want the citizens to find out about.

The Saudis hate us; I take no issue with you pointing that out. The Israelis treat the Palestinians like negro slaves and only Jimmy Carter has the balls to say so. All the Arab states hate the Israelis with the fire of a thousand white hot suns. They hate us for supporting the Israelis. We arm both sides and then try to negotiate a step back from the apocalypse we facilitated.

I could go on and on. But right now the thing that offends me most is that Americans are using a concocted lie against a fellow American, Obama. Say what you want about him--he is a native born American. It offends me when people claim he isn't.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
And I'm going to continue sounding like a broken record. I've got a lot of ground to make up.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
And here comes your king...
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
The three of you can avert this crisis by sending your next welfare checks to Kim Il Jung and funding his nuclear ambitions for another decade.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Good.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Well, I just wanted you to know that. I don't post in threads about anything but birferism. You may have legitimate political reasons for questioning him (so do I), but the BC issue only makes YOU look like fools. It damages any credibility you may have with substantive issues.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You all ARE fools. He doesn't need to fool you into being fools.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
what does this have to do with the PUMA birfer conspiracy??

Birferism is an invented lie.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Ohh, carpy, you can't use the 'F' word out here. According to the Bible, if you call somebody a 'fool' it makes you liable for Gehenna.

But what am I saying. That's where you want to go shortly anyways.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
why would you ban me? I'm asking legitimate questions. Are you, like, an ugly dude or what? Because its really not appropriate to be talking about your butt in public. All old and wrinkled and...well, flat like that. Doesn't it feel funny against the backs of your knees?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
And didn't you say an MSNBC guy wrote this? I thought you'd say you don't believe the MSM, particularly MSNBC. I thought all they report is lies?

So why are you quoting them?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Transparency my butt??

Ooooh. Glaring mental image.

Tell me, Carpy. I know you're old. But are you an ugly dude? I mean, are you, like, Limbaugh-esque? Does your mouth creep up at the edges like Cheney and greta van susteren?

Come on man. I surrender. Don't give me anymore unwanted mental images.

Really.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You're worse than a liar, Carpy. Your dad told the original lie to Eve. But at least he knew the truth and rejected it.

You've made no attempt to know the Truth. When the Truth grabs you by the ears you wiggle away like a snake.

Aren't even the slightest bit worried about having to answer for that? You're getting a little long in the tooth, sonny.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
carpenturr1, I dislike YOU. I dislike your dad, too. We have nothing in common.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I guess you could do that if you weren't a couple of inches short of an inch, Mr, Useless.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"He has already broken more laws than Jessie James ever broke "


And you have already lied more lies than your father, the Father of the Lie. When you meet your dad in person a few years hence, make sure you quote your posts on here. He'll be proud.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
8 years, tsiya. Be realistic.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Of course, carpy-boy, you're 65 NOW. So you may be off to glory before the Usurper is finally deposed and supplanted by his secretary of state in 2017.

So go ahead and give us your parting shot: "I may not get there with ya. But I've SEEN the Obama-less mountain!!!...."
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Oh, I'm mocking you alright, Baghdad Bobenturr1. Make no mistake about it. There is nothing but condescension and contempt in anything I say to you. Even when I'm smiling with my eyes, the undercurrent of snarky laughter is there.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Wow. Apugh came up with a cogent observation.

Is it OK for you people to love your country AND recognize its flaws? Because that's what you just did.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Do you know how the Iraqis are going to win the current war?

They are going to keep saying "We're going to WIN!! We're going to WIN!!!!" right up until the Americans leave. This, despite the fact that the Americans occupied the country for as long as they wanted. Then the Iraqis are going to fire some flares at our retreating ships and claim victory.

You birfers are going to comfort yourselves with the same tactics. On Jan 20, 2017 and 12:01 when Hillary is president, birfers are going to claim ultimate victory and pat themselves on the back for their patriotic efforts. "We hung in there and ran the usurper out of office!!"

And this will make sense to you.

You are the Baghdad Bob's of political strategy.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"She broke the law when she looked at a sealed document and then commented on it in public.


Hawaiian law forbids this and she committed a crime by her comments and holding herself as above the law to look at sealed records and then refuse to release them to the public."



Yawnnnnnnn. It's another losing argument that you'll deny advancing after some smart person smacks down the legal premise behind it.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I've already won, carpenturr1. All this banter is just the post-championship gloat parade. You lost the election and every legal engagement since. You haven't even come close to winning. But somehow, something in Smushville leads you to believe you are ahead on points and have a chance to win.

Wow. I can see why Orly and Linda Starr appeal to you. They don't live here, either.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You're congratulating me for saying something stupid.


Wow. You're SERIOUS, aren't you? You REALLY believe this stuff. And you think you're going to win, using this logic?

Wow. Dang. Did you get, like, some sort of settlement from the truck that squashed your head as a child?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"We don't really care if we have your respect"


Yes you do. Or else you wouldn't be falling all over yourselves to spoof my ID or respond to my posts.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Here's something else. Both of Reagan's parents were HALF BRITISH. That means, according to birfer logic, that both his parents had divided loyalties.

THAT MEANS REAGAN HAD DUAL CITIZENSHIP AND DIVIDED LOYALTIES, even if he WAS born in America, which there's no proof of.

How does it feel to have birfer logic shoved down your throats?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Apugh96: "Blackmon, it's so kind of you to understand that we have permission to question, but the permission doesn't come from you. "

yes it does. Your questions are directed out into space. Anyone can answer them. When you start talking about the LAW, well, then you already know the answer. Okubo just busted you over the head with it. But since all your questions emanate from La-la land, you have to be prepared to get answers you don't really like from people you don't really like.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
kandis,

I didn't write that. There's some idiot out here spoofing my ID. You may want to re-direct your comment to him. He's got an extra K in rikker.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I don't do parse. English is English. Her meaning was more than clear. Trying to inject different meanings to words is an exercise in futility. Especially insofar was most of you birfers have already proven yourselves to be less than honest.

I've already had my chuckle for the day. I've got work to do, rooster.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Ahhhh....more birfer parse.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"You never shown where Janet said that what she has on file is the same one that Stanley was issued...so how does that debunk anything? It doesn't. "


And you haven't shown where the BC Stanley Ann was issued is superior to the one they have on file in Hawaii.

"“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Yes, we will get to see his Hawaiian COLB. Again.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"...still doesn't say that it is what Stanley recieved from the hospital."


Here's an oldie but a goodie:

WHAT LAW WILL YOU CITE TO SAY THAT THE BC STANLEY ANN RECEIVED IS THE ONLY BC THE GOVERNMENT CAN ACCEPT??

blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Are....are you trying to get the last word with this misdirection? Yes, let's get back to QUOTING the woman who is an EXPERT on Hawaiian birth certificates:

"Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."


Now THAT'S a direct quote. it's like buttah.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You don't need my endorsement. And Obama doesn't need yours. Or any of your friend's endorsements, for that matter.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I'm questioning Reagan's birthplace. He looks like a sneaky Canadian to me. There's a street in my neighborhood named after him and I have to know that I'm riding down an American street, not Saskatchewan Dr.

This is the greatest Constitutional crisis in the history of our nation. Was Ronald Reagan an American? Where's the proof?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Ummmmm, no. Don't try to interpret what she said. Cut and paste. Quote her directly. You're trying to mangle her words to conform to your viewpoint. Of course, you're welcome to do that in Tard World, but in America that doesn't really work.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Ooohhhh!! Here's the parse I predicted!!

Parse!! I call parse!!!

You can't get around it with a word parse this time, son.

Here's a hint. Why don't you try to undermine her ability to speak authoritatively? Hire your OWN expert from Hawaii and get them to debunk her statement. You're not really...ummmm....intelligent enough for the job, you know? Not trying to be mean or nothing... but....
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"So, his grandmother is just a liar then? "


No, but Phil Berg IS.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Apugh96,

You're perfectly welcome to ask questions about things that have already been answered.

You're NOT welcome to waste my president's time with this drivel. He's got bigger fish to fry.

But I don't. So you'll have to tolerate my legal answers to your inane questions. As often as you ask, I'm going to taunt. Got it? Good.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Hey, evreport and DVG,

Remember when Dr. Fukino debunked the birfer claims about Obama not having a BC last October? They sat back in stunned silence for about a week. Then they started parsing her statement. They said, "Well she verified he HAS a BC, BUT SHE DIDN'T SAY WHAT'S ON IT!!!!"

Of course, she couldn't say what's on it without breaking the law. But she made it clear that any suggestions about it's validity were bogus.

Big Rooster is already trying to fing ways to parse Okubo's statement.

How long will it take for the birfers to come up with a reasonable parse that nullifies Okubo's statement? I can't see how they can. She's been pretty clear about the legality of the COLB.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Oooooh!! Dunsvangeet!!! Don't hurt 'em, DVG!!!

Hit 'em up with U.S. law, DVG!!!

I LOVE IT!!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
ANGER MANAGEMENT?!?!?!

OK, you may finally have a point there. My comments about waterboarding you last night were over the line. I'd had a couple of beers. I'm fine with one beer. I'm fine with four beers. With two beers I want to fistfight. So, I retract my angry statements from last night.

But I'm not angry now. I'm my regular, snarky, always right self.

AND I'VE GOT YOU BY THE SHORT HAIRS!!! AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
What part of the word "official" did you not understand?
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
OFFICIAL. As in, LEGAL. AS IN, STFU BEYATCHES!!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Hee-hee-hee!!!!

Stings a bit, don't it!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Heres' some MORE official Janet!!

"It says a "certification of live birth" is, in fact, a short-form OFFICIAL birth certificate. Information included in the document might differ from state to state." (caps mine)


OFFICIAL. As in, LEGAL. AS IN, STFU BEYATCHES!!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I don't have to find you SQUAT!!! All I have to do is goad you into explaining why GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS are beyatch slapping you birfers daily!!! Your bumbling attempts at explaining away the truth make my day, son!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Big Rooster!!! Stop it!!! You're KILLING me!!!!

"Just show us the REAL BC!!!"

"Just tell us what Janet is REALLY saying!!!!"


TOO FUNNY!!!!!!! You need to go on TV!!! OMG!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You aren't entitled to see what they gave Stanley Ann!!

Better yet, WHY DON'T YOU SUE STANLEY ANN TO GET IT!!!!


ROTFLMAO!!!!

You trying to change the question every time you get slapped down!!! That's too funny!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
You people make my day!! You really do. You are the joy of my drab and meaningless existence!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
That doesn't say anything about the original long form.

BUT THIS DOES!!


"Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."


GIT SOME MORE, BEYATCH!!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Hee-hee!! Here's some MORE legal Janet Okubo:



"The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."




Git some, beyatch!!!
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Birfer is accepted vernacular when describing "birthers". Its tone is a little mocking. But then again, it's an accurate representation of the contempt most Americans feel for the idea.

When the birfers come up with a unique, credible and legally acceptable idea, then and ONLY then will I give them the respect of calling them birthers.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"I am smart enough to not post "you have not smarter than me. Stop trying"."


No you're not.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
Fear is all the Republicans have to sell. You're pretty much vested.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
I'm going to vote this idea up. I truly want the courts to hear these cases, but only because I enjoy the carnage left behind when birfers lose.

Birferism was CREATED as a political ploy. You may as well have adopted geocentricity as an issue. The courts don't want to hear that one, either.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
It's easier to focus on my deliberate mis-use of grammar than to accept that you just got smoked.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
"When Ronald Reagan was president we didn't have the internet..."

Actually we did. The Internet was created in 1968, as was IP addressing. It was called ARPANET and used primarily by the military and certain academics. It didn't get BIG until the mid nineties when browsers were created, but it was there.

You've not smarter than me. Stop trying.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html


I ain't never wrong, either.
blackmonrikker 9 months ago