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Bart Klein Ikink

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When interest on money is charged, money in the future is worth less than money now. This has a major impact on investment choices. Interest promotes investments that are unsustainable and wasteful. If no interest was charged, sustainable investments would be more attractive.

For example: you want to build a house and you have the choice between a house of €100,000 with a yearly energy cost of €5,000 or a house of €200,000 with a yearly energy of €2,000. When the interest rate is 10 percent, the cost for a cheap house with high energy consumption is as follows: €10,000 plus interest €5,000 energy is €15,000 per year. The expensive house with low energy costs: €20,000 interest plus €2,000 energy is €22,000 per year. If you do not have to pay interest, the expensive house with low energy cost will be cheaper.

For more detailed information, you use this link:
http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html
During the Great Depression in Wörgl Austria a new monetary system was introduced. The economy started to do very well. Money circulated 14 times faster and tax income rose 1,300%. Because the money was backed by Austrian Schilling, this money had the same value. If tax income in the US rises 1,300%, there is room to end the income tax and lower all other kinds of taxes.

You can read more about it here:
http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html
Introduction

Natural money was the result of the discovery of the most efficient monetary system. Natural money will create an economy with constant economic growth at maximum potential that will destroy all other monetary systems in competition. Therefore the natural money monetary system will become the dominant monetary system in the world at some point in the future. Natural money has the following features:
- a hoarding tax, which amounts to 0.5% to 1.0% a month;
- a complete ban on usury, which is charging interest on money;
- a money supply that is constant;
- a complete ban on credit, which is creating money out of nothing.


The Wörgl experiment

There are a number of successful examples of the introduction of money with a hoarding tax. Wörgl is the best known example. During the Great Depression, the Austrian town of Wörgl made economic history by introducing a complimentary currency. The mayor Michael Unterguggenberger had a long list of projects he wanted to accomplish, but there was hardly any money with which to carry them out. Rather than spending the 40,000 Austrian schillings in the town’s coffers to start these projects off, he deposited them in a local savings bank as a guarantee to back the issue of a type of complimentary currency known as 'stamp scrip'. The Wörgl currency required a monthly stamp to be stuck on all the circulating notes for them to remain valid, amounting 1% of the each note’s value.

Because nobody wanted to pay what was effectively a hoarding fee, everyone receiving the notes would spend them as fast as possible. The 40,000 schilling deposit allowed anyone to exchange scrip for 98 per cent of its value in schillings. This offer was rarely taken up though. Over the 13-month period the project ran, the council not only carried out all the intended works projects, but also built new houses, a reservoir, a ski jump, and a bridge.

The key to its success was the fast circulation of scrip within the local economy, 14 times higher than the Schilling. This in turn increased trade, creating extra employment. At the time of the project, Wörgl was the only Austrian town to achieve full employment. Six neighbouring villages copied the system successfully. In January 1933, the project was replicated in the neighbouring city of Kirchbuhl, and in June 1933, two hundred Austrian townships were interested in adopting the idea. At this point the central bank panicked and decided to assert its monopoly rights by banning complimentary currencies. The people unsuccessfully sued the bank and later lost in the Austrian Supreme Court. It then became a criminal offence to issue 'emergency currency'.


Joseph in Egypt

Money with a hoarding tax was already introduced by Joseph when he was viceroy of Egypt. When the pharaoh had dreams about seven fat cows being eaten by seven lean cows and seven full ears of corn being devoured by seven thin and blasted ears of corn, Joseph explained the dreams to the pharaoh. He told the pharao that seven good years would come and after that seven bad years would follow. Joseph advised the Egyptians to store food on a large scale. They followed his advise and built storehouses for food. In this way Egypt survived the seven years of scarcity.

What is less known, because it is not recorded in The Bible, is that the storing of food resulted in a financial system. The historian Friedrich Preisigke discovered that the Egyptians used corn receipts for money. Farmers bringing in the food, got receipts for corn. Bakers who wanted to make bread, brought in the receipts, which could be exchanged for corn. It did not take long before the receipts where generally accepted as money. Because of the degradation of the corn and mice eating it, the value of the receipts was steadily decreasing. This enticed people to spend the money fast.

The corn receipt system lasted for many centuries. It made sense to store food to provide for hard times. This currency remained in function in Egypt until it was replaced by the Roman currency during the late Ptolemaic period. The introduction of natural money may have enabled Egypt to remain a stable civilisation for another 1,500 years. The Egyptian civilisation lasted for more than 2,000 years, far longer than any civilisation ever.


12 steps to freedom and wealth

The natural money system brings freedom and wealth in 12 steps:
1. Interest on money should be banned. Return on capital is a good thing, and should not be abolished.
2. Raise a tax on money. This is not a tax on wealth, so shares, real estate and money lent, are not taxed.
3. Do not create more money, so there will be no monetary inflation.
4. Because there is a tax on money, people will soon use the money to invest, to consume or to lend without interest.
5. Because on money lent, no interest may be charged:
- money will only be lent to reliable people and companies.
- less money will lent and more money will be directly invested in equities and real estate.
6. Therefore there will never be an economic crisis, because money is spent directly and there are no bad loans.
7. Because all money is directly used for investment or consumption, the economy grows steadily at maximum potential and there is full employment.
8. The financial sector is largely superfluous. That is a good thing, because this sector produces nothing and destabilises the economy.
9. Governments also need much less to interfere with the economy.
10. As the economy grows constantly at maximum speed, and because no more money is created, prices will fall. Therefore loans with zero percent interest will have a return that is probably higher than the interest rate you will get at the bank now. The money lent will be worth more when the loan matures.
11. If one country chooses to apply this system, it will attract capital from other countries since the return of loans with zero percent interest rate is higher than the yield on interest in other countries. Therefore, all other countries will need to do this, if one country has changed its money system in this way.
12. Now everyone is free. There is no fear in the economy. There will always be work for employees and there will always be customers for viable businesses. Nobody is deeply in debt.


Effects

Using natural money all kinds of problems we face now can be solved easily. Natural money will have the following effects:
- Natural money will save the earth and nature by promoting sustainable investment and recycling;
- Natural money will free people and countries from debt slavery;
- Natural money will end unemployment without government intervention;
- Natural money will create a stable economy without crisis which does not need government or central bank intervention;
- Natural money will end senseless economic activities in the money system which destroy the economy;
- Natural money will result in a dramatic rise in government income which makes it easy to lower taxes and address all social problems in society;
- Natural money economies will perform better than all other kinds of economies. This will attract investment capital, which forces all other economies to adapt the natural money system.


Quotes

Natural money is the most efficient type of free money. Silvio Gesell outlined the theory of free money in the Natural Economic Order. Many famous economists and scientists saw the enormous potential of free money:
- "I thoroughly enjoyed Silvio Gesell's brilliant style. The creation of money that cannot be hoarded will lead to a different and more real kind of property."
Professor Albert Einstein, Nobel Prize Winner
- "Gesell's name will be a leading name in history once it has been disentangled."
H.G. Wells
- "The application of Gesell's principle of circulation of money will lead the nation out of the depression within two to three weeks. I am a humble student of this German-Argentine businessman."
Professor Irving Fisher, Yale University, America's greatest economist
- "I believe that the future will learn more from the spirit of Gesell than from that of Marx."
John Maynard Keynes
- "Gesell's work will initiate a new epoch in the history of mankind."
Prof. Dr. B. Uhlemayr
- "Gesell's discoveries and proposals are of the greatest importance for centuries to come."
Dr. Theophil Christen, eminent mathematician and physicist, Berne


Stimulating local trade

States and municipalities can issue their own currencies that circulate along with the national currency. If they come into existence, those currencies should only be used for payments within the state or the municipality issuing the currency. People will be inclined to spend the local currencies first because they can only be used locally. This will stimulate local trade at the expense of long distance trade.

Local currencies have the following advantages:
- They promote local trade and therefore generate employment in the local community.
- Local production will replace centralised production which makes the economy more energy efficient.
- Local currencies will generate tax income for local governments.
- Local currencies give local communities more possibilities to handle their own affairs making the central government less needed.


More information

The following information can be found on the Naturalmoney.org website:
- More information about the current state of the economy can be found here: http://www.naturalmoney.org/howbad.html
- The natural money theory in detail can be found here: http://www.naturalmoney.org/full-theory.html
- A realistic conversion plan to the natural money economy can be found here: http://www.naturalmoney.org/conversionplan.html
- A plan for the future with natural money can be found here: http://www.naturalmoney.org/buildfuture.html
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Bart Klein Ikink 9 months ago
Balancing the budget comes first. Tax levels in the US are relatively low. A 2 trillion deficit is an outright disaster.

During the Great Depression in Wörgl Austria a new monetary system was introduced. Money circulated 14 times faster and tax income rose 1,300%. Because the money was backed by Austrian Schilling, it had the same value. If tax income in the US rises 1,300%, there is room to end the income tax.

Now you have a realistic plan. You can read more about it here:
http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html
Bart Klein Ikink 9 months ago
The FED is a private company and will never work in the public interest. However ending the FED does not solve the problem. The crisis can only be solved if the root causes are recognised. These are usury (interest on money) and credit (the creation of money out of nothing).

If someone brought a 1/10 oz gold coin to the bank in the year 1 AD, and the money remained there until the year 2000 AD, collecting a yearly interest of 4%, the amount of gold in the account would have been 3.6 * 10^31 kilograms of gold. This is 1.9 * 10^27 cubic metres of gold weighing 317 times the complete mass of the Earth. This example demonstrates that interest on money is unsustainable and leads to crisis.

Credit and interest on money make it possible for an economy to grow above potential during a boom phase. In the boom phase investors add leverage using credit which further intensifies the boom, creating shortages of materials and labour resulting in rising prices. Interest on money entices banks to lend money to leveraged investors. Credit makes it possible to create money out of thin air, which enables the banks to fuel the boom. When the cycle turns into bust, investors start to deleverage, which intensifies the bust, creating surplusses of materials and labour resulting in falling prices. What most economists do not see, is that credit and interest on money are the root causes of economic booms and busts.

It is possible to end the depression in a few months, to have constant economic growth at maximum potential without crisis, unemployment and government intervention. You can read more about it here:

http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html
Bart Klein Ikink 9 months ago
It is a great idea and Ellen has a good insight in money. The FED is a private company and will never work in the public interest. However ending the FED does not solve the problem. The crisis can only be solved if the root causes are recognised. These are usury (interest on money) and credit (the creation of money out of nothing).

If someone brought a 1/10 oz gold coin to the bank in the year 1 AD, and the money remained there until the year 2000 AD, collecting a yearly interest of 4%, the amount of gold in the account would have been 3.6 * 10^31 kilograms of gold. This is 1.9 * 10^27 cubic metres of gold weighing 317 times the complete mass of the Earth. This example demonstrates that interest on money is unsustainable and leads to crisis.

Credit and interest on money make it possible for an economy to grow above potential during a boom phase. In the boom phase investors add leverage using credit which further intensifies the boom, creating shortages of materials and labour resulting in rising prices. Interest on money entices banks to lend money to leveraged investors. Credit makes it possible to create money out of thin air, which enables the banks to fuel the boom. When the cycle turns into bust, investors start to deleverage, which intensifies the bust, creating surplusses of materials and labour resulting in falling prices. What most economists do not see, is that credit and interest on money are the root causes of economic booms and busts.

It is possible to end the depression in a few months, to have constant economic growth at maximum potential without crisis, unemployment and government intervention. You can read more about it here:

http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html
Bart Klein Ikink 9 months ago
@gaia1: There is no need for a supranational reserve currency, because national currencies can be traded in markets so foreign goods and services can still be purchased. However a supranational reserve currency is possible. Backing a natural money currency with goods however leads to problems because the value of the natural money currency is rising. This will give problems because goods have to be purchased in the market to maintain the fix.

You may back the currency in the beginning (by gold or something else) to create confidence in the currency. However there should only be a guarantee to be payed back in the same amount of gold and no gold purchases to maintain the fix. Because of deflation, the real value of the currency will rise and the price of gold will fall in terms of the currency, so at some point backing the currency will have no use any more.

The international disconnect however is not a weak point but a strong point because currently it is possible to have global imbalances going out of control. That will be impossible when using natural money.
Bart Klein Ikink 9 months ago
Thank you for your comments. I did not expect this idea to be popular, because it is difficult to understand at first. Nevertheless I am somewhat disappointed with the negative feedback (38 find it a bad idea, 8 find it a good idea). However, the quality of an idea is not dependent on the opinions of people. Most people do not see that interest on money is the root cause of economic problems.

If someone brought a 1/10 oz gold coin to the bank in the year 1 AD, and the money remained there until the year 2000 AD, collecting a yearly interest of 4%, the amount of gold in the account would have been 3.6 * 10^31 kilograms of gold. This is 1.9 * 10^27 cubic metres of gold weighing 317 times the complete mass of the Earth. Interest on money is therefore unsustainable in the long term. It will lead to crisis.

@colin.rich: This is the problem most people have. They cannot visualise that this will work extremely well. The Wörgl example is just a showcase that highlights the extreme power of this concept if well applied.

@bwake_49: Explaining this in a short text is not easy.

@mAximo: This monetary system is the most efficient in terms of economic growth, wealth distribution and sustainability. This is explained in the theory.

@tyferall: In the conversion plan I outline how China and other creditor nations can be repaid. The local currencies can coexist along with regional and national currencies can help to revive the local economies. Often there is the problem of money leaving the local economy, which makes certain regions an economic wasteland. If you buy a Japanese car, your money goes to Japan for example. Local currencies will help local communities to have a future. International trade will diminish if there are local alternatives. You will not buy food in another continent if it can be grown in your neighbourhood.
Bart Klein Ikink 9 months ago
Dear Ellen,

I have read your proposal. I have worked further on the natural money monetary system for many months now. Natural money is similar to your proposal but it has two differences:
- a fixed money supply;
- a complete ban on usury.

I have found out that this will create the most efficient monetary system and that it will be superior to any other monetary system in competition. I am therefore convinced that natural money will become the monetary system of the future.

You can read the introduction here:
http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html

I also have posted the idea on the government brainstorm website. You can find it here:
http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4904-4049

It is posted as idea #2027.

Sincerely,

Bart klein Ikink