kandis1105

kandis1105 8 months ago

For those questioning George Washington being a British Subject or NBC

1. Constitution signed: Sept. 7, 1787
2. George Washington became president on April 30, 1790
3. The Presidential requirements from the Constitution were in effect then.

George Washington:
Born - Westmoreland County, Virginia (1732-1799)

Augustine Washington (father)
Born - Westmoreland County, Virginia (1694-1743)

Mary Ball Washington (mother)
Born - Lively, Lancaster Country, Virginia (1708-1789)

George Washington's great-grandfather (John, on his father's side) emigrated from England, and Mary Ball's grandfather emigrated from England.

If I'm correct at that time, the British still ruled some of the territory at his birth.

kandis1105 8 months ago

blackmonrikker,

Why should Congress have to define NBC? Just because IT (NBC) is not defined in our U.S. Constitution.

Neither are the words, state and soverign, etc. defined in the U.S. Constitution.

Why should Congress define the words NBC, state, and soverign etc just because they are not specificly defined in the U.S. Constitution to your liking? Even though we have dictionaries now. Wonder what kind of dictionary they used for those terms. The definitions are from "The Law of Nations"

§ 1. Of the state, and of sovereignty
A NATION or a state is, as has been said at the beginning of this work, a body politic, or a society of men united together for the purpose of promoting their mutual safety and advantage by their combined strength........

§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights

Note: are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens, and condition of their fathers.

-BHOsr was not a citizen of USA at time of BHO's birth (here on visa)
-BHOsr was British (Foreign)

Charles Pinckney (drafter and signer of the U.S. Constitution)in 1800 said:
”What better way to insure attachment to the country then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues”

Note: Obama's father is FOREIGN not AMERICAN - Not Eligible to be a U.S. President

kandis1105 9 months ago

Charles Pinckney (signer of the U.S. Constitution) in 1800 said the presidential eligibility clause was designed “to insure … attachment to the country.”

What better way to insure attachment to the country then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.

kandis1105 9 months ago

to blackmonrikker...My apology on my previous statement toward you.

to blackmonrikk(K)er...Research the Constitution and how the founders wrote it. Why they put Natural Born Citizen in it. There are some historical quotes with the words Natual Born Citizen and President (not a Naturalized Citizen and President). Look it up.

kandis1105 9 months ago

blackmonrikker....

you stated "the laws states that you have to be a naturalized citizen.... retard"

For what? to be President. Can you find the LAWS that a NATURALIZED CITIZEN (at birth, funny) can be PRESIDENT. I think NOT.

Only a NATUAL BORN CITIZEN can be PRESIDENT

You can look up the laws and the quotes yourself.

kandis1105 9 months ago

From the Kenyan National Assmbley
November 5, 2008
(pages 3275-3278)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9606845/Kenyan-National-Assembly-Wednesday-5th-November-2008-51108A

Could we allow him to move a Motion for Adjournment so that we could also continue the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the USA?

---note, on Fightthesmears he claimed to have lost his citizenship in 1982. Why are they calling him a Kenyan on 11/5/2008. Do they know something that we don't. (Born there, still Kenyan)

I am also hoping that there will be no homecoming for Obama. If there is one, the Leader of Government Business should alert us in good time so that we can set up a committee to organize for his homecoming

---note, Why have a homecoming in Kenya, Obama claims he was born in Hawaii?

Ms. Odhiambo: … Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country . Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement. (page 3275)

---note again, son of soil of this (Kenya) country, and “the country which he originates from” hmmm? Is that------Kenya.

Mr. Deputy Speaker: President-elect has not been sworn-in yet. The election of President-elect Obama is of utmost national importance to the United States of America. Ms. Odhiambo, you are a lawyer. You had better be very careful where you transgress between watching your own sovereignty and what can be interpreted in some quarters as some form of treason (page 3276)

--- note, Are they worried about Obama’s alliegences with them? Treason, citizenship, loyalties?

Mr. Affey: … For the first time, we have a leader of a great country in this world whose blood is Kenyan. (page 3276)

Hon. Members, as you may be aware, the people of the United States of America have just had a historic election where the son of this soil, Barrack Hussein Obama, has been elected the 44th President of the United States of America… (page 3276)

---note again, son of this (Kenya) soil.

The Vice-President and Minister forHome Affairs (Mr. Musyoka): At the beginning of this year, Senator Barrack Obama called me at midnight and told me: “Mr. Vice President, could you make sure you sort out this problem?” I want to assure him that the problem has since been sorted out”(page 3277-8)

---note, Obama claims he lost his citizenship with Kenya in 1982
---note, Why would a non-citizen of Kenya (Sen Obama at the time) call the VP and ask to sort out "this" problem in early 2008.

Question: Because I don't really know the answer.
Isn't it illegal, for U.S. Senators to communicate with foriegn powers about politics(Logan Act)?

So what's "this" problem? citizenship, the BC, seal some records?

kandis1105 9 months ago

blackmonrikker

The court cases that creeksneakers give to me prior 1961, did not state that the plantiff had "NBC" status at birth or gained it due to the judgement.

The 14th Amendment does NOT state "NBC". It is only about citizenship, naturalized citizenship, duel citizenship etc. NOT "NBC"

Only a President's requirements has "NBC" - "NBC" has never been changed in the books of the law (1961).

Congress (and your Prez) is trying to change it now.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

kandis1105 9 months ago

creeksneakers,

Thank you for the links. I will judge for myself

blackmonrikker,

What kind of smoke screen are you looking for, for his removal?
- an NBC one. (historical quotes, documents)
- something about his forged BC (proven)
- his BC in a lawsuit in Sept (coming soon)
- treason, fraud, lies

kandis1105 9 months ago

blackmonrikker,

Can you please cite some of the:

"wealth of case law that shows the merely being born on American soil is good enough to be NBC"

We've only heard Obama say that he was born in Hawaii but was he really. Just quotes and on record.

From the Kenyan National Assembley
November 5, 2008 (p. 3275-8

http://www:scribd.com/doc/9606845/Kenyan-National-Assembly-Wednesday-5th-November-200851108A

Ms. Odhiambo: … Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr, Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour. (p.3275)-----son of soil of this country, and originates.

Mr. Deputy Speaker: President-elect has not been sworn-in yet. The election of President-elect Obama is of utmost national importance to the United States of America. Ms. Odhiambo, you are a lawyer. You had better be careful where you transgress between watching your own sovereignty and what can be interpreted in some quarters as some form of treason. (p. 3276)----Obama did have Kenyan citizenship for a few years.

At the beginning of this year, Senator Barrack Obama called me at midnight and told me: “Mr. Vice President, could you make sure you sort out this problem?” I want to assure him that the problem has since been sorted out. (p. 3277-8)-----What problem? Birth Certificate, money contributions (illegal)

kandis1105 9 months ago

The Birth Certificate is a non-issue. It’s the Constitution that’s the Issue.

Some historical quotes about Natural Born Citizen, and facts about Vattel (Law of Nations), and the Constitution. (I know that some know what NBC means)

About Vattel (Law of Nations), and the Constituion

http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2008/12/13/law-of-nations-or-principles-of-the-law-of-nature-applies-to-the-conduct--affairs-of-nations--sovereigns.aspx

- Emmerich de Vattel's The Law of Nations was key in framing the United States as the world's first constitutional republic.

- The Law of Nations was crucial in shaping American thinking about the nature of constitutions.

“Law of Nations” Book One, Chapter 19, 212 (1758)
http :// www. constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

Boston revolutionary leader Samuel Adams wrote in 1772, "Vattel tells us plainly and without hesitation, that 'the supreme legislative cannot change the constitution,' 'that their authority does not extend so far,' and 'that they ought to consider the fundamental laws as sacred, if the nation has not, in very express terms, given them power to change them.' " In a debate with the Colonial Governor of Massachusetts, in 1773, John Adams quoted Vattel that the parliament does not have the power to change the constitution.

Natural Born Citizen

http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/whiplash-syndrome-feverishly-sweeping-the-nation/

- Historical Fact #3 Additionally, in 1800, Charles Pinckney ( Continental Congress (1777-78 and 1784-87) and S.C. state legislature (1779-80, 1786-89, and 1792-96) said the presidential eligibility clause was designed “to insure…attachment to the country”:

“What better way to insure attachment to the country than to require the President to have his American citizenship through his American Father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and be removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return later in life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.”

- Historical #4 Further research brings us to St. George Tucker (Fourteenth and Fifteenth Congresses (March 4, 1815-March 3, 1819); chairman, Committee on District of Columbia (Fourteenth Congress), Committee on Expenditures on Public Buildings (Fifteenth Congress); author of Tucker’s Commentaries and of a treatise on natural law and on the formation of the Constitution of the United States and State senate, 1819-1823; chancellor of the fourth judicial district of Virginia 1824-1831):

“The Provision in the Constitution which requires that the President shall be a “natural born” citizen, unless he were a citizen of the United States when the Constitution was adopted, is a happy means of security against foreign influence, which, wherever it is capable of being exerted, is to be dreaded more than the plague. The admission of foreigners into our councils, consequently, cannot be too much guarded against; their total exclusion from a station to which foreign nations have been accustomed to, attach ideas of sovereign power, sacredness of character, and hereditary right, is a measure of the most consummate policy and wisdom.

The title of king, prince, emperor, or czar, without the smallest addition to his powers, would render him a member of a fraternity of the crowned heads: their common cause has more than once threatened the desolation of Europe. To have added a member to this sacred family in America, would have invited and perpetuated among us all the evils of Pandora’s Box.”

- In 1866, under Sec. 1992 of the revised statutes, the same Congress confirmed and adopted as law the principle in regards to determining citizenship at the time of birth:

“All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be “citizens” of the United States.”[note the word citizen, not “natural born citizen”}

Rep. Bingham commenting on Sec. 1992 said during debate on the difference between ‘natural born” and ‘born” citizenships under the 14th Amendment:

“It means every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of “parents” [emphasis plural] not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of our Constitution itself, a “natural born” citizen.”
14th Amendment (Wong Kim Ark Case, 1868)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Kim_Ark

- The Wong Kim Ark case dealt with him becoming a U.S. CITIZEN (about age 20) due to his foreign parents, under the 14th Amendment.
NOT AT BIRTH, NOT AMERICAN PARENTS - He (Ark) could not be President. Maybe his kids and grandkids, if they were born in the US, and married an American spouse.

Obama’s Admission

- He has admitted that his father is Kenyan
- He admitts he took his fathers citizenship at birth due to the British Nationality Act of 1948…on his fightthesmears webpage
- He was born with duel citizenship British and American.
- Look back at previous quotes about foreigners and fathers.
- Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5. Requirement to be President has not changed since the drafting of the Constitution NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
- His father disqualifies him no matter where he was born.

kandis1105 9 months ago

Did you want facts. I was just making a point that he supposedly he saw his real birth certificate when he was younger. Not a 2007 laser printer one.

Facts:

- Our Founding Fathers used the Law of Nations to write the U.S. Constition and the Declaration of Independence
- There are definitions in the Law of Nations, one being - Natural-Born Citizen

Vattel in Bk 1 Sec 212, states the following.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

(notice - parents who are citizens) Obama's Father was NOT

- John Jay letter to George Washington

The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787 [Farrand's Records, Volume 3]
LXVIII. John Jay to George Washington.3
[Note 3: 3 Documentary History of the Constitution, IV, 237.]
New York 25 July 1787

Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expresly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

- Our Founding Fathers put an Article in the Constition the only put a Natural Born Citizen to be president and Vice President

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

To me the time of the Adoption is the Law of Nations.

kandis1105 9 months ago

http://james4america.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/from-dreams-of-my-father/

I mention “Dreams of My Father”, first published in 1995 when Obama was first starting out in his political career, because in a brief citing, he mentions one item that has haunted him for months- his birth certificate.

On Page 26 of “Dreams of My Father”, Obama writes:

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,”

It is also rumored that William Ayers wrote that book.

kandis1105 9 months ago

From the Kenyan National Assembly
Wednesday, 5th November, 2008

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9606845/Kenyan-National-Assembly-Wednesday-5th-November-2008-51108A

(p. 3275-3279)

Ms. Odhiambo: … Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country.
(p. 3275)

Mr. Deputy Speaker: President-elect has not been sworn-in yet. The election of President-elect Obama is of utmost national importance to the United States of America. Ms. Odhiambo, you are a lawyer. You had better be very careful where you transgress between watching your own sovereignty and what can be interpreted in some quarters as some form of treason
Mr. Affey: … For the first time, we have a leader of a great country in this world whose blood is Kenyan. (p.3276)

YES....He's Kenyan/British

kandis1105 9 months ago

creeksneakers.....wong kim ark has to deal with the 14th Amendment. Natural Born Citizen is not metioned in the 14th Amendent if I'm correct. Sorry for the delay.

In 1889, the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case10,11 once again, in a ruling based strictly on the 14th Amendment, concluded that the status of the parents was crucial in determining the citizenship of the child. The current misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment is based in part upon the presumption that the Wong Kim Ark ruling encompassed illegal aliens. In fact, it did not address the children of illegal aliens and non-immigrant aliens, but rather determined an allegiance for legal immigrant parents based on the meaning of the word domicil(e). Since it is inconceivable that illegal alien parents could have a legal domicile in the United States, the ruling clearly did not extend birthright citizenship to children of illegal alien parents. Indeed, the ruling strengthened the original intent of the 14th Amendment.

http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

kandis1105 9 months ago

He has been postponing his long-form birth certificate for a year now. If he showed it now with Hawaii as his place of birth he would still be not eligible to be POTUS. Due to his being a foreigner at the time of Obama's birth. He is not a Natural Born Citizen.

Vattel in Bk 1 Sec 212, states the following.
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787 [Farrand's Records, Volume 3]
LXVIII. John Jay to George Washington.3
[Note 3: 3 Documentary History of the Constitution, IV, 237.]
New York 25 July 1787
Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expresly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/

kandis1105 9 months ago

cjw...If Obama presented his real birth certificate to the publice, I would not believe it to be authenic. Because he has had over a year to disclose his original, because of courts cases etc. Even if it was not forged, saying that he was born in Hawaii, he would still not be a legal President due to his father, and not a "Natural Born Citizen". Barack admitted on his Fightthesmears webpage that he took his fathers citizenship status:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

kandis1105 9 months ago

He probably won't show his original birth certificate because he knows that he is not elligible to be POTUS.

From the Kenyan National Assembly Offical Report
Wednesday, 5th November 2008

Ms. Odhiambo: … Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country.
(p. 3275)

The Vice-President and Minister forHome Affairs (Mr. Musyoka): …
As we do, as you said from the Chair, this is a sovereign country. We know we can learn a lot.

To be able to support that blood relation, I think we owe it to ourselves to make sure that we have a peaceful country as Kenyans; a country that will uphold the true principles of the rule of law, democracy and tolerance between ourselves

At the beginning of this year, Senator Barrack Obama called me at midnight and told me: “Mr. Vice President, could you make sure you sort out this problem?” I want to assure him that the problem has since been sorted out. (p.3277-8)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9606845/Kenyan-National-Assembly-Wednesday-5th-November-2008-51108A

(p. 3275-3279)
What is "this problem" since beginning of 2008? Birth certificate, foreign contributions, keeping relatives quiet, no celerations, no talking to American media about Obama, hmmm?

Mr. Deputy Speaker: President-elect has not been sworn-in yet. The election of President-elect Obama is of utmost national importance to the United States of America. Ms. Odhiambo, you are a lawyer. You had better be very careful where you transgress between watching your own sovereignty and what can be interpreted in some quarters as some form of treason (p. 3276)

kandis1105 9 months ago

I agree with the Transparency but I don't think "THIS" will ever be released.

Kenyan National Official Report
Wednesday, 5th November, 2008

The Vice-President and Minister forHome Affairs (Mr. Musyoka): …At the beginning of this year, Senator Barrack Obama called me at midnight and told me: “Mr. Vice President, could you make sure you sort out this problem?” I want to assure him that the problem has since been sorted out. p.3777-8.

What is "THIS" problem?
(pages 3775-3779)
http://gateway.andohs.net/player/?sid=826&nid=2920#

)

kandis1105 9 months ago

Here is the definition of NBC and it's history:

http://thelibertypole.ning.com/forum/topics/the-definition-of-natural-born

kandis1105 9 months ago

We have that already...it is called vetting a candidate. The DNC vets the Dem candidates and the RNC vets the Reps (not the Media or the people). But Pelosi did not did not do a clear enough background on Obama (passports,schooling, alias,and BC etc).

kandis1105 9 months ago

Is he hiding his mother's age (16,17,18?), his real father (Malcolm X?), or his birth place Kenya? Who knows?
All I know is that under the Constitution you have to be a "Natural Born Citizen", and that is a birthright, that is not granted to you. He admitted on his Fightthesmears webpage that he was "born" British because of the British Nationality Act of 1948. This makes him not eligible to be President.

kandis1105 9 months ago

Being a "Natural Born Citizen" is a birthright, it's not granted like being naturalized or becoming a U.S. citizen. Obama admitted he was born British through his father at birth on his Fightthesmears webpage.

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