ramjet767

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy,

You bore me at this point. Your deception and circular reason is showing. You are a waste of bytes and bits. You were sent here merely to scroll the blog with your drivel and post wrong, misleading, mis and dis-information.

You're unemployed and maybe cannot afford renting a movie at BlockBuster. So make some popcorn and watch this video for free ... three times.

http://www.youtube.com/v/QEnaAZrYqQI&hl=en&fs=1

Since Congress ignored the pleas of these people and hundreds of thousands of other about investigating Obama's exact citizenship status, while paying attention to similar pleas about McCain, the Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al was necessitated and once it reaches the Supreme Court it will resolve the issue of Article II natural born citizenship to constitution standards, once and for all. At that point in time Obama will be relegated to an impostor and usurper and thrown out of office by SCOTUS and "We the People" acting in concert to protect the Constitution and the Constitution Republic. Congress is already moving in the right direction with HR 1503.

Then go do some reading at two attorneys sites for what is coming your team's way:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

Have a nice life after your God per Newsweek is dethroned ... and I hope you find a job other than working this blog.

http://www.birthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy,

At this point I can only say you are deliberately lying about the Kim Wong Ark case. Kim Wong Ark says the person was a citizen by their decision, not a "natural born citizen".

The decision:

Held: In a 6-2 decision, the Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment, a child born in the United States of parents of foreign descent who, at the time of the child's birth are subjects of a foreign power but who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under a foreign power, and are not members of foreign forces in hostile occupation of United States territory, becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy,

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/why-do-both-obamas-state-department-and-the-senate-require-two-us-citizen-parents-for-those-born-abroad-to-attain-natural-born-citizen-status/

smrstrauss Says:
June 23, 2009 at 10:19 am

Re: “The dual nationality issue is NOT a conspiracy theory. It’s a genuine legal question. Obama admits he was a dual citizen at birth. Eligibility advocates have simply questioned whether that makes him ineligible to be President under Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution.”

The dual nationality issue is just plain silly. It relies on the mythology that what a foreign country does affects the US law.

[Ed. You are wrong on multiple counts. It's US law which guides us here. US law requires the President to be a "natural born citizen". If a person is born as a citizen or a foreign country, admits as much and cites that foreign country's law himself at his own web site as controlling his birth status while that very same person is a Constitutional lawyer who attended Harvard Law and who taught law as a distinguished professor then perhaps you should consider the issue is more complex than you have erroneously suggested. Obama's web site states that his birth status was "governed" (which is the actual term used at his web site) by Great Britain. Perhaps you might be so humble as to acknowledge that Obama knows a hell of alot more about Constitutional law than you do.

Notice that Obama is not claiming what you claim at his web site. Obama states unequivocally that his birth status was Governed by Great Britain. He doesn't say it was governed by the USA. Why don't you go ask him to change the language and explain to Obama that he doesn't understand the law. You are playing word games but the ruse doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The way you've worded your reply is no different than a circular accusation, it's the same concept as asking somebody if they still beat their wife. No answer will suffice.

The proper way to analyze your remark is to say that if the granting of citizen status by a foreign country were arbitrary, ie North Korea granted citizenship to Jeb Bush in order to thwart him from running for President - that would never fly, but the plain truth is Obama's father was never a US citizen and so while that wouldn't stop Obama from gaining US citizenship, it would certainly prevent him from being President since he can never be a natural born citizen according to my best understanding of Constitutional law, the framers intent and precedent of past Presidents.

I admit there are differing opinions but while the issue has never been definitively decided by SCOTUS, it was in fact SCOTUS in the Minor case who stated that as to people in Obama's shoes - those born in the US of non-citizen parents - there are doubts as to whether such persons are natural born citizens.

Also note that the argument you suggest was never brought up in the SCOTUS case Minor vs Happersett - again, the most on point dicta in SCOTUS history which states unequivocally that there are "doubts" as to whether a person born in the US whose parents weren't citizens could be considered nbc.

Furthermore, the issue is far from silly since the only directly on point language we have from SCOTUS on this issue is the Minor case where they themselves raised these doubts. If it's silly then blame SCOTUS, they could have said this was silly but instead they agreed that it's serious enough to raise doubts. And also note that they didn't need to decide the nbc issue for that particular case, but they thought it was important enough to mention these doubts regardless.

Think about that before you respond.

I will also warn you that I do not find your comment to be intellectually honest. Feel free to reply, but drop the sarcasm and just state your case. There's nothing silly about this. I've printed your comment in its entirety. But if you use condescending language again, you will not be extended further courtesy.]

Say that Mexico were to grant all children born in the areas of the USA that were once Mexico citizenship in Mexico. That makes them all dual nationals.

[Ed. As stated above, various scenarios as you have suggested do not have the same legal effect as the three ages old paths to citizenship:

JUS SOLI - by the soil

JUS SANGUINIS - by the blood

NATIONALIZATION - by law

These are the paths discussed in the Dept. of State Foreign Affairs Manual. They are commonly accepted universal paths to citizenship having been considered and respected through the ages. They are not wild hypothetical possibilities. Obama's father was never a US citizen. There is nothing hypothetical about that. ]

Does Mexico passing a law make these children less loyal than a child whom Mexico did not claim as a Mexican? No. Does it mean that the children want to be Mexicans? No. Does it affect their citizenship under US law? No, if they were born in the USA, nothing any other government can do can take that away.

But, can the fact that a foreign country grants dual nationality affect the “Natural Born” status? No way. That would still mean that a foreign country could meddle in the USA and make children who would normaly have been eligible no longer eligible.

It is a well-established practice where dual nationality is concerned, that the US ignores the foreign law and deals with our citizens in every way as citizens.

[Ed. Not true. In the Foreign Affairs manual it clearly states that dual nationality causes problems for the US Government:

7 FAM 1111.4 Dual or Multiple Nationality
(TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)
a. U.S. nationals and citizens may possess dual or multiple nationality and owe
allegiance to one or several foreign states. They may even have identified themselves
more closely with the foreign state than with the United States, thereby calling into question the propriety of extending protection to them. Since each country establishes its own law of nationality, dual nationality cannot be eliminated, may result in confusion, and could complicate the ability of the U.S. Government to protect its nationals/citizens.

b. The United States has no special arrangements with individual countries to “permit”
dual nationality. U.S. Government policy toward dual nationality is the same regardless of
other nationalities involved.

c. While a person who has dual or multiple nationality resides in the United States, the
right of the United States to claim his or her allegiance is held to be paramount of the right of the other countries of which he or she may be a national. Conversely, while a person who has dual nationality resides abroad in a foreign country of which he or she also is a national, the right of that country to claim his or her allegiance is paramount to that of the United States.

d. It has been the policy of the U.S. Government, when the occasion arises, to
intercede on behalf of a person in another country who owes allegiance both to that
country and the United States, when the facts clearly indicate that the person has been
detained, harassed, or molested by the authorities of the foreign country of which he or she is also a national.

e. The circumstances of a person’s conduct abroad may very well be a determining
factor in considering the extent to which such protection should be granted. In the case of a dual national living in the foreign country of which he or she is also a national, the
circumstances may restrict, to a great extent, a national’s ability to receive the protection and consular services of the U.S. Government.]

In fact, when the British took nationalized US citizens, whom they considered to be still be British subjects, and forced them to work on their ships, we went to war in 1812.

[Ed. Completely irrelevant analogy. Those people were US citizens who were kidnapped. Please also note that nationalized citizens cannot be President hence the analogy not being relevant. But also take note again of the language in Section C above

c. While a person who has dual or multiple nationality resides in the United States, the right of the United States to claim his or her allegiance is held to be paramount of the right of the other countries of which he or she may be a national. Conversely, while a person who has dual nationality resides abroad in a foreign country of which he or she also is a national, the right of that country to claim his or her allegiance is paramount to that of the United States.

]

But, what if the US citizen had a foreign father and the dual nationality is the result of his father’s citizenship, plus the fact that the father was not a US citizen? If, as the Supreme Court has ruled in the Wong case, a US Natural Born citizen is someone who is born in the USA, then the fact that his father was not a citizen PLUS the dual nationality does not change that at all.

[Ed. You've completely misquoted the holding in the SCOTUS case of Wog Kim Ark. The Wong Kim Ark case does NOT say that a US Natural Born Citizen is someone born in the USA. Nowhere in the case does it say that. You are absolutely mistaken without question. The Wong Kim Ark case says that a person born in the US is a "citizen" - and only if that person is subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

Furthermore, the relevance of Wong Kim Ark can also be further reduced since the court stated that a determining factor was whether the parents were permanently domiciled in the US. Obama's father was not permamanently domiciled in the US so Wong Kim Ark shouldn't even be controlling as to this fact pattern. This is a point which needs to be remembered and brought up again and again. It is certainly a neglected fact of that holding and one which Obama supporters have failed to discuss and acknowledge.

In any case, the holding does not say such a person is a natural born citizen for purposes of Article 1 Section 2 Clause 5. From now on, if you choose to post on this blog, I will request that when you refer to a SCOTUS case, you include direct quotes from that case and citations. There is no quote or citation in the Wong case as you have suggested. Nada.]

ramjet767 8 months ago

An open letter to Obama:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-letter-to-president-obama-by-lou.html

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Again, maybe this short video will help Twitchy and those reading over the shoulders:

http://www.youtube.com/v/QEnaAZrYqQI&hl=en&fs=1

Since Congress ignored the pleas of these people and hundreds of thousands of other about investigating Obama's exact citizenship status, while paying attention to similar pleas about McCain, the Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al was necessitated and once it reaches the Supreme Court it will resolve the issue of Article II natural born citizenship to constitution standards, once and for all. At that point in time Obama will be relegated to an impostor and usurper and thrown out of office by SCOTUS and "We the People" acting in concert to protect the Constitution and the Constitution Republic. Congress is already moving in the right direction with HR 1503.

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitch said: "Minor vs Happersett left doubts as to who a "natural born citizen" is." And those doubts apply to Obama's birth circumstances since his father was not a U.S. citizen, no even an immigrant, nor even a permanent resident of the USA.

http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org/

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

English common law mentioned in the Wong case dealt with "subjects" not "citizens". Subjects can never become a President nor a King. Again you are mixing apples and oranges.

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=3186

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Maybe a short video will help those reading over the shoulders:

http://www.youtube.com/v/QEnaAZrYqQI&hl=en&fs=1

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy,

You are totally wrong on the Wong Kim Ark case. Please provide the quote from decision in the Wong Kim Ark case which backs up your words. Show me in the that SCOTUS decision that he was declared a "natural born" citizen of the USA. Those two extra adjectives are important and you keep forgetting them.

You also misquote Minor vs Happersett. Summarizing, the case clearly said that a person born in the USA to parents who are citizens of the USA are "natural born citizens", of which there is no doubt. And it goes on to say that being born of only one citizen of the USA that there is doubt as to whether that person is a "natural born citizen".

All your citations say who is a "citizen" of the USA, Wong Kim Ark. Being born in Hawaii would make Obama at most a statutory citizen at birth of the USA under the 14th Amendment. He would not be a "natural born" citizen under Article II to Constitutional standards.

Also the 1939 Elg case at the Supreme Court also confirms that a person born in the USA to two citizen parents is a "natural born citizen".

Any other set of facts of nature at the time of birth lead to doubt if the person is a natural born citizen.

Again, it is not who is a "citizen" of the USA, or a "citizen at birth", but who is a "natural born citizen" of the USA as per the intent of the founders of our country and framers of the constitution to constitutional standards. And using prior Supreme Court decisions there is doubt for the facts surrounding Obama's circumstances at birth, the number one being that his father was not a U.S. citizen, nor was he even an immigrant to the USA, nor was he even a permanent resident of the USA.

Senators and House members and Governors can be merely citizens of the USA but the President and Commander-in-Chief must be a "natural born" citizen. What those extra two adjectives mean is the meat of the debate. And sooner or later the Supreme Court will provide the answer. And then Obama will be on the scrap heap of history as an impostor, fraud, and deceiver.

http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/NatrualBornCitizenshipDefined.pdf

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy's a classic Constitution Oborter and Saul Alinsky disciple.

Saul Alinsky's rule #5, ridicule your opponents.

http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/8925/alinsky.htm

Twitchy, if that shoe fits you and your modus operandi, and it appears it does, keep wearing it.

---------------------------------------------
The Birthers

We are the Birthers, we are those who are under attack by the Mainstream Media, the once bastions of truth, have become the purveyors of cheap words. They want to mock us by giving us a label to discredit and marginalize us. This is nothing new, when people have no direction they attack those who do.

Labeling and ridiculing the opposition is a tactic of the communist union organizer Saul Alinsky which he detailed in his book, "Rules for Radicals". Specifically that tactic is Rule #5. Obama is the grandmaster of Alinsky smear tactics and ridicule. He learned it well when he worked as a "community organizer" studying Alinsky the father of "community organizing". A community organizer is simply a euphemism for a leader and trainer of radical agitators and street type demonstrations.

Lenin and Stalin had the “Bourgeois,” Hitler had the “Untermenschen,” Pol Pot had the “Intelligentsia,” and now Obama has the “Birthers.” People like this have always needed someone to blame for their own inadequacies, a scapegoat for their failures.

They expect us to revere their writings and status as mainstream reporting, they want us to fold like little children being scolded by the teacher. They are blind to their own impotence, so we accept their challenge and feel that it is best and fair that we give them a name too. They lost the right to be called reporters, for they no longer report, they have become distorters of truth.

We accept their name, the Birthers for wanting to give rebirth to that which we as Americans hold dear. To return the favor of giving us a name in which we can find a common identity, we in turn give them a name that must be our polarizing opposites, "the O-Borters." For they are seeking to abort the fabric that has held America together, the Constitution of the United States of America.

The fact that we were given a name by our adversaries means that we are not going to go away soon, so it is best that you hear from us, exactly what is that we are seeking.

We seek strict adherence to the Constitution of the United States of America, regardless to the momentary passions of the body politic.

http://www.thebirthers.org/
-------------------------------------------

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

On the radio today:

http://www.ketknbc.com/news/politics/ktbbs-question-day-is-there-enough-proof-president-obama-a-us-citizen

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitch cites,

"Any person born in the U.S. automatically is a “natural born citizen,” said University of California Los Angeles law professor Eugene Volokh." That's backed up by United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

Reply:
False. Not true. The person quoted by Twitchy is wrong as is his misleading statement as to what Wong Kim Ark decided. Wong Kim Ark ruled that the person in that case was a "citizen at birth", not a "natural born citizen". 14th Amendment Citizenship at Birth is not the same as Article II natural born citizenship.

Minor vs Happersett defined who a "natural born citizen" is without any doubt.
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm#ref04

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy,

Spin, twist, obfuscate and deceive. You do it over and over. The link you posted does not back up your statement. It does not say the digital image of the online CoLB is verified. Because they never said it. Nor has Obama himself said it.

Also when you quoted Volokh, you forget to point out what Volokh said. He said, "Even if a person is born outside the United States, courts have ruled any child born to at least one U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen, Volokh said."

You know full well the issue for the office of the presidency is not whether Obama is a U.S. citizen, it is whether he is a "natural born citizen" of the U.S.

http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/eds.html

I have come to believe that you are simply a paid operative, or an ACORN volunteer, posting here to spread dis-information and mis-information and engage in conversational hypnosis to try and fool as many people as you can.

Truth and time reveal all. The Constitution will prevail and Obama will be placed on the scrap heap of history as a corrupt Chicago politician who reached the pinnacle of power briefly by deceit and lies and fraud.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

P.S. Did you apply for the job with ICE yet? They need a lot of people down along the southern border to help recognize fraudulent documentation. With your documentation expertise you should rise quickly through the ranks and have a good career with them. With all you claim to know about documents, there is no need to be unemployed ... as you claim you are. Unless of course, that story is as phony as some of your other statements here.

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy makes statements all the time he cannot prove or cite a source. Then he changes the subject. A Saul Alinsky debating tactic taught in ACORN classes.

Twitchy said, "The CoLB has been verified by Hawaii, who issued it."

ANS: Not true ... and you know it. Prove that statement.

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy,

I repeat. Out of work. Need money.

Find and produce for interview an eye witness to Obama's birth and collect $10,000+.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101892

http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/eds.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy,

And if you don't like Vattel's definition written in 1758 and used by the founders of our country and framers of the constitution, try an essay and analysis based on the English language meaning of the words and term, natural born citizen. Read these and think. Have you read the legal treatise, the preeminent legal treatise of the latter half of the 18th century and first half of the 19th century ... a legal book used by Ben Franklin, George Washington, and John Jay to govern our new nation. You say you think. Well read Vattel and read these essays first, then think, then speak.

http://www.greschak.com/essays/natborn/index.htm

http://www.thebirthers.org/USC/Vattel.html

http://www.birthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy said, "And I haven't said anything about vetting."

ANS: That is obvious since all you do is make statements with no citations.

No one in any official capacity ever vetted Obama. He's hid behind lawyers and legal technicalities to get where he is, hiding his records without his eligibility being vetted. Congress vetted McCain but not Obama. Political discrimination or racial discrimination, take you pick. That unequal protection under the law of the land is a main charge in the lawsuit, Kerchner vs Obama & Congress.
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

Twitchy said, "The CoLB has been verified by Hawaii, who issued it."

ANS: Not true ... and you know it. Prove that statement.

Obama is not a natural born citizen of the USA because his father was not a U.S. citizen. Law of Nations, Vattel, 1758 in French 1797 in English, Chapter 19, Section 212.
http://www.thebirthers.org/USC/Vattel.html

http://www.birthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 8 months ago

Twitchy,

I repeat. Out of work. Need money.

Find and produce for interview an eye witness to Obama's birth and collect $10,000+.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101892

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Twitchy,

Out of work. Need money.

Produce an eye witness to Obama's birth and collect $10,000+.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101892

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Twitchy feins lack of knowledge of the difference between the data on a real Birth CERTIFICATE compared to computer generated Certification form. I am sure he knows the difference and is simply engaging in conversational hypnosis techniques here with a mixture of Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals" tactics. He's like been trained in those tactics at his local ACORN chapter.

But, just in case, here it is:

Certificate vs. Certification of Live Birth. What's the difference? Pictures and explanation.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101483

Also, we all need to remember that no expert document examiner has actually seen and examined and reported on the actual paper document that Obama's camp alleges is his Certification of Live Birth, of which the electorate, public, and anyone else has only seen a questionable digital image. Can everyone spell PhotoShop?

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

P.S. I do hope Twitchy applies for a job with the FBI. Or maybe ICE. They could use people of his research caliber to help learn the true identity of people.

ramjet767 9 months ago

Twitchy,

You're unemployed. You can get a job with the FBI. But you'll have to signed this forum authorizing the release of all your life's activities and records such as academic records.

http://www.fbijobs.gov/employment/fd-979.pdf

In reading your latest postings I now understand that all your posts here are merely your opinion and you have not done much thinking about protecting the Constitutional Republic from a usurper. Why you allow a man to hide all his life's records from birth to college to travel for the highest office and job in this country is beyond me. Unless of course you are an ACORN volunteer sent here on a mission to post your endless drivel 24x7. Me personally, I want Obama to produce his hidden and sealed original records ... birth, college, travel, passports ... all of them.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A warning from the past from Yuri Bezmenov:

http://www.youtube.com/v/e53diZ0vboM&hl=en&fs=1

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A warning from the past from Yuri Bezmenov:

http://www.youtube.com/v/e53diZ0vboM&hl=en&fs=1

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

The Manchurian President by Bill Barnstead.

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4226&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Did anyone else see this in Monday's Washington Times National Weekly ... page 25?

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4226&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Did anyone else see this in Monday's Washington Times National Weekly ... page 25?

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4226&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Did anyone else see this in Monday's Washington Times National Weekly ... page 25?

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4226&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Did anyone else see this in Monday's Washington Times National Weekly ... page 25?

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4226&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Did anyone else see this in Monday's Washington Times National Weekly ... page 25.

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4226&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Sreinke,

You are correct, no controlling legal authority document experts have ever seen or examined any piece of paper proffered by the Obama camp. All Obama has offered to the electorate and public is a digital image. That is not conclusive evidence of anything. Everyone knows what can be done with PhotoShop. Obama's whole life is littered with fraudulent or hidden documents.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A proposed narrative to explain the various seemingly conflicting statements made about Obama's birth in Kenya and Hawaii:

Underage U.S. teenager gets pregnant via a significantly older married man from Kenya. An unusual event in 1961.

Mother of teenager is in total shock over the event as would have been many mothers of teenage girls getting pregnant in 1961 and says to her daughter you have ruined your life and will make going to college much harder for yourself and convinces the teenage girl to go to Kenya in the last month of her pregnancy and give up the baby to the Kenyan natural family of the natural father of the child to be raised in Kenya by them.

The Kenyan grandmother of the child attends birth in Kenyan hospital in Mombasa Kenya and is ready to take custody of the child and raise the child for the foot loose and fancy free natural father with multiple wives ... and the U.S. teenage mother is supposed return to Hawaii leaving the child with the natural father's family and restart her life back in Hawaii minus the child ... and go to college. In 1961, pregnant teenage girls giving up children to restart their lives anew was not unusual.

But nature throws the plan a curve ball. Maternal instincts kick in and mother cannot leave the baby in Kenya, either due to pure maternal instincts or in seeing the conditions in Kenya that her child would be raised in with a mostly absentee father over there. Thus she changes her mom's plan and she takes the baby and birth certificate issued by the Mombassa Hospital to the American Embassy or consulate in Kenya and shows them the Kenyan Birth Certificate for her child and "explains" the baby was born unexpectedly in Kenya while there visiting her "husband's" family. U.S. officials then stamp her passport as traveling with an infant child.

Mother gets on plane carrying the child and flies back to Hawaii and appears at the airport arrival with the new baby in tow, much to the shock of her mother, the child's U.S. grandmother. Baby easily is passed through U.S. entry officials due to embassy stamp on mother's passport and the supporting Kenyan birth certificate showing a U.S. citizen is the mother.

Child's U.S. grandmother is still besides herself at this change in plans by the mother of the child. The child's grandmother then knowing or learning from legal advisers how lax Hawaiian birth registration laws were in 1961, then cooks up a plan and scheme with the child's mother, to lie to Hawaiian officials and swear and sign affidavits at the birth registry office that the child was born in Hawaii at home with no witnesses but them, in order to get the child U.S. citizenship (a highly desirable status) to make future travel and life easier on the family and new child. They did this lie and cover up simply to gain U.S. citizenship for the child a highly coveted status for any child, not knowing that this child might someday grow up and try to become the President and thus risk having their whole plans and lies exposed.

Birth registration office then issues the announcements to the two newspapers, as was the offices custom at the time to send the papers lists of babies born, of the birth event which at its source was only based on the false sworn testimony of the mother. Thus the birth notices in the newspapers are not independent data, they all came from the same source, ... false sworn statements from the mother and/or grandmother that the child was born in Hawaii.

Thus under this narrative the birth records in the vaults in Hawaii may be simply sworn affidavits of the mother and grandmother saying Obama was born at home with no witnesses, all based on lies and fraud, which seems to be a common occurrence with Mr. O's entire life.

JMHO and a suggested narrative to explain events and facts as revealed thus far.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Twitchy, twitchy ... to point to one corrupt, liar, and deceitful person in history who deceived the American electorate and got away with it at the time because no one knew about his deceit at the time, to justify the the deceitful actions of a modern day corrupt and lying and deceitful person, i.e., Obama, is not a very good tactic. The deceit of the voters pulled off by Arthur when he ran for Vice-President was only recently confirmed and revealed by historians.

Natural born citizenship is defined in legal books contemporaneous with the writing of the constitution. AND, ... the U.S. Supreme Court decision of Minor vs. Happersett provided a definition of natural born citizen "of which there is no doubt".

"In 1797, an English translation of Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations gave this definition of "natural born citizen":

The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. (Vattel, Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter 19)

In both Patsall and Vattel, "natural born citizen" meant much more than someone who was born in a particular place. Parentage, upbringing and education also contributed to the meaning of "natural born citizen".

4.4 "Natural born citizen" appeared in Supreme Court decisions

In 1874, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed Vattel's definition of "natural born citizen":

At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens (Minor v. Happersett, 1874)

The Supreme Court said, in effect:

* There is no doubt that, if you were born in the United States and both of your parents were U.S. citizens at the time of your birth, you are a natural born citizen.

* Throughout American history, various "authorities" (judges, district attorneys, legal experts, etc.) have expressed support for the "citizenship-by-birthplace-alone" theory. According to this theory, U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents are citizens at birth and presumably natural born citizens as well.

* The "citizenship-by-birthplace-alone" theory is unproven and remains subject to doubt.

For more information about the legal term of art "natural born citizen" see:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

All:

Natural born citizenship is defined in legal books contemporaneous with the writing of the constitution. And, the U.S. Supreme Court decision of Minor vs. Happersett provided a definition of natural born citizen "of which there is no doubt".

"In 1797, an English translation of Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations gave this definition of "natural born citizen":

The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. (Vattel, Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter 19)

In both Patsall and Vattel, "natural born citizen" meant much more than someone who was born in a particular place. Parentage, upbringing and education also contributed to the meaning of "natural born citizen".

4.4 "Natural born citizen" appeared in Supreme Court decisions

In 1874, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed Vattel's definition of "natural born citizen":

At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens (Minor v. Happersett, 1874)

The Supreme Court said, in effect:

* There is no doubt that, if you were born in the United States and both of your parents were U.S. citizens at the time of your birth, you are a natural born citizen.

* Throughout American history, various "authorities" (judges, district attorneys, legal experts, etc.) have expressed support for the "citizenship-by-birthplace-alone" theory. According to this theory, U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents are citizens at birth and presumably natural born citizens as well.

* The "citizenship-by-birthplace-alone" theory is unproven and remains subject to doubt.

For more information about the legal term of art "natural born citizen" see:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Twitchy, you should be ashamed of yourself making statements that you know are not true. Natural born citizenship is defined in legal books contemporaneous with the writing of the constituion. And, the U.S. Supreme Court decision of Minor vs. Happersett provided a definition of natural born citize "of which there is no doubt".

"In 1797, an English translation of Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations gave this definition of "natural born citizen":

The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. (Vattel, Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter 19)

In both Patsall and Vattel, "natural born citizen" meant much more than someone who was born in a particular place. Parentage, upbringing and education also contributed to the meaning of "natural born citizen".

4.4 "Natural born citizen" appeared in Supreme Court decisions

In 1874, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed Vattel's definition of "natural born citizen":

At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens (Minor v. Happersett, 1874)

The Supreme Court said, in effect:

* There is no doubt that, if you were born in the United States and both of your parents were U.S. citizens at the time of your birth, you are a natural born citizen.

* Throughout American history, various "authorities" (judges, district attorneys, legal experts, etc.) have expressed support for the "citizenship-by-birthplace-alone" theory. According to this theory, U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents are citizens at birth and presumably natural born citizens as well.

* The "citizenship-by-birthplace-alone" theory is unproven and remains subject to doubt.

Read more essays at:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Twitchy, twitchy, twitchy. You are a naughty boy/girl the way you mix and match and interchange terms conveniently. You are an excellent practitioner of conversational hypnosis. You'd do well as a used car salesperson. The bottom line question is not whether Obama is an American citizen. It is whether he is an Article II natural born citizen per constitutional standards.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Good sites for information on this issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com

http://www.theobamafile.com

http://www.wnd.com

http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org

http://www.thebirthers.org

http://www.colony14.net/id41.html

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Good sites for information on this issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com

http://www.theobamafile.com

http://www.wnd.com

http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org

http://www.thebirthers.org

http://www.colony14.net/id41.html

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Good sites for information on this issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com

http://www.theobamafile.com

http://www.wnd.com

http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org

http://www.thebirthers.org

http://www.colony14.net/id41.html

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Good sites for information on this issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com

http://www.theobamafile.com

http://www.wnd.com

http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org

http://www.thebirthers.org

http://www.colony14.net/id41.html

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Good sites for information on this issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com

http://www.theobamafile.com

http://www.wnd.com

http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org

http://www.thebirthers.org

http://www.colony14.net/id41.html

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Twitchy,

1. Have you been able to find anyone in official capacity within the government, with expertise to determine a paper document's authenticity, who has personally examined the paper copy of the Certification of Live Birth (COLB), the image of which is widely posted on the internet, and attested and stated and certified as a government official and document expert that the paper document is genuine and that it was not created out of "whole cloth" using PhotoShop?

2. Point me to your constitutional legal scholar who has examined Obama's paper records and history and has certified that Obama a constitutionally qualified to constitutional standards under Article II of the Constitution and is a natural born citizen.

3. Show me a statement and video anywhere of Obama with his own lips that he himself has stated that he is a natural born citizen of the USA. Not native born, but a natural born citizen.

4. Show me a statement and video anywhere where Obama himself says the digital image on the internet of the Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is genuine.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

All:

An excellent essay analyzing the term "natural born citizen":

http://www.greschak.com/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi Twitchy,

Did you get your check from your ACORN this week? I understand the Governor of Louisiana is investigating your group's money funnel.

Some suggested reading for you:
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Obama has a copy of the long form birth certificate he just refuses to let anyone see it.

Excerpt from TheObamaFile.com 14 Jun 2009 posting
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Obama's Admission

From "Dreams From My Father" -- page 26, last paragraph:

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents."

This paragraph exists in "Dreams from My Father." It is proof that Obama's birth certificate exists, that his grandmother had a copy, and that he's seen it. So he knows what's on it, and whatever it is -- or isn't -- it's the reason he is fighting its release so ferociously.

Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham's apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the "wrong" hands."

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Excerpt from TheObamaFile.com 14 Jun 2009 posting

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Obama's Admission in his own book.

From "Dreams From My Father" -- page 26, last paragraph:

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents."

This paragraph exists in "Dreams from My Father." It is proof that Obama's birth certificate exists, that his grandmother had a copy, and that he's seen it. So he knows what's on it, and whatever it is -- or isn't -- it's the reason he is fighting its release so ferociously.

Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham's apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the "wrong" hands."

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Excerpt from TheObamaFile.com 14 Jun 2009 posting
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Obama's Admission

From "Dreams From My Father" -- page 26, last paragraph:

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents."

This paragraph exists in "Dreams from My Father." It is proof that Obama's birth certificate exists, that his grandmother had a copy, and that he's seen it. So he knows what's on it, and whatever it is -- or isn't -- it's the reason he is fighting its release so ferociously.

Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham's apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the "wrong" hands."

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Excerpt from TheObamaFile.com 14 Jun 2009 posting
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Obama's Admission

From "Dreams From My Father" -- page 26, last paragraph:

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents."

This paragraph exists in "Dreams from My Father." It is proof that Obama's birth certificate exists, that his grandmother had a copy, and that he's seen it. So he knows what's on it, and whatever it is -- or isn't -- it's the reason he is fighting its release so ferociously.

Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham's apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the "wrong" hands."

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Excerpt from TheObamaFile.com 14 Jun 2009 posting
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Obama's Admission

From "Dreams From My Father" -- page 26, last paragraph:

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents."

This paragraph exists in "Dreams from My Father." It is proof that Obama's birth certificate exists, that his grandmother had a copy, and that he's seen it. So he knows what's on it, and whatever it is -- or isn't -- it's the reason he is fighting its release so ferociously.

Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham's apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the "wrong" hands."

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Excerpt from TheObamaFile.com 14 Jun 2009 posting
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Obama's Admission

From "Dreams From My Father" -- page 26, last paragraph:

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents."

This paragraph exists in "Dreams from My Father." It is proof that Obama's birth certificate exists, that his grandmother had a copy, and that he's seen it. So he knows what's on it, and whatever it is -- or isn't -- it's the reason he is fighting its release so ferociously.

Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham's apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the "wrong" hands."

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An essay as to the issues of the Obama eligibility question.
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An essay as to the issues of the Obama eligibility question.
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Some essays and opeds on the term Natural Born Citizenship.

http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/eds.html

This lawsuit against Congress is moving forward as soon as the defendants (Congress & Obama) which lawyers will be defending which defendant for their unconstitutional and illegal activities in not conclusively vetting Obama during the last election cycle.
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/activity-in-kerchner-v-obama-congress.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Some essays and opeds on the term Natural Born Citizenship.

http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/eds.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Scroll down and see which little red book is frequently ordered with the new Chairman Obama's little blue book.

http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Obama-Editors-History-Company/dp/0978736842/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233277344&sr=8-1

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Educational information on the eligibility issue and The Birthers:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Educational information on the eligibility issue and The Birthers:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

P.S. The Republicans are at it again in the summary description of the bill with HR 1868 in order to confuse the public once again so they can run Gov. Jindall, another non-natural born citizen, in 2012. McCain nor Obama were natural born citizens in the 2008 election cycle. Calero the open Socialist Party candidate was on the ballot in 5 states and he was not even a citizen at all. Both Parties, the RNC and the DNC, put party power and money before the country and our constitution. In 2010 we should throw out all the encumbents from both parties in the House and 1/3 the Senate. Then in 2012 with should throw out another 1/3 of the Senate. We the People must take back the power from the Power usurper, Obama the Fascist and the enabling Monarchy Congress. If only we had a true objective Main Stream Media, this could not happen. But they're in the bag for the Socialist and Secular agenda and run interference for Obama and cronies. We are rapidly drifting towards Fascism in the country.

ramjet767 9 months ago

Educational information on the eligibility issue and The Birthers:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi,

There was federal court Activity in Kerchner v Obama & Congress Case yesterday - 2nd Extension of time granted to Defendants to give the DOJ more time. The Judge granted the 2nd delay but in a five page order outlined the seriousness of the charges in this case. The DOJ cannot seem to figure out how to respond to this lawsuit. The Judge said that "competent counsel" should be appointed to this case do to the serious nature of the charges. He also said that once attorneys for all defendants have entered an appearance for each defendant "... the case will proceed expeditiously." See this link for more details.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/activity-in-kerchner-v-obama-congress.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi,

There was Federal Court Activity in Kerchner v Obama & Congress Case yesterday - 2nd Extension of time granted to Defendants to give the DOJ more time. The Judge granted the 2nd delay but in a five page order outlined the seriousness of the charges in this case. The DOJ cannot seem to figure out how to respond to this lawsuit. The Judge said that "competent counsel" should be appointed to this case do to the serious nature of the charges. He also said that once attorneys for all defendants have entered an appearance for each defendant "... the case will proceed expeditiously." See this link for more details.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/activity-in-kerchner-v-obama-congress.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Federal court in five page order grants Obama & Congress more time to respond but is taking this case very seriously.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/activity-in-kerchner-v-obama-congress.html

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Federal court in five page order grants Obama & Congress more time to respond but is taking this case very seriously.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/activity-in-kerchner-v-obama-congress.html

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Re. Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al update.

Obama & Congress et al want more delays in responding to the case. The Federal Court staff in Camden NJ says it is "Working on It", i.e., deciding whether they will get additional delays beyond what the defendants have been give already.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6278

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

TurtleTracks,

Here is a listing I found of the various Obama constitutional Article II natural born citizen eligibility lawsuits and other actions filed against Obama regarding his eligibility to serve under the U.S. Constitution, Article II.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?page_id=1518

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A must read given what is going on with Obama's administration massive deficit spending.

The Planned Destruction of the American Economy ... by Obama, Axelrod, and Ayers ... aka The Cloward-Piven Strategy.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A must read given what is going on with Obama's administration massive deficit spending.

The Planned Destruction of the American Economy ... by Obama, Axelrod, and Ayers ... aka The Cloward-Piven Strategy.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A must read given what is going on with Obama's administration massive deficit spending.

The Planned Destruction of the American Economy ... by Obama, Axelrod, and Ayers ... aka The Cloward-Piven Strategy.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A must read given what is going on with Obama's administration massive deficit spending.

The Planned Destruction of the American Economy ... by Obama, Axelrod, and Ayers ... aka The Cloward-Piven Strategy.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A must read given what is going on with Obama's administration massive deficit spending.

The Planned Destruction of the American Economy ... by Obama, Axelrod, and Ayers ... aka The Cloward-Piven Strategy.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Some information on active suits is found at http://www.thebirthers.org/

Maybe, someone should start a site patterned after what you suggest.

Info on the Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al can be found at:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Update on Kerchner et al vs Obama & Congress et al lawsuit. Update on the delays by the federal district court due to stalling by the defendants asking for a second delay in answering or otherwise moving on the case.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/update-on-kerchner-et-als-v-obama-et.html

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Posted June 7th, 3009 in this website ... a picture of one person who has seen enough of Obama on the TV for a life time.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

See how easy it is to create a digital online image of a phony COLB like Obama's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd9K2Q3EbVQ

An example of one made for Mr. Hussein using PhotoShop digital technology and posted online. Are we so gullible now that we trust the military power of the most powerful nation on earth in the hands of someone who has only shown the electorate and public an online digital image of his alleged short-form, summary COLB, birth certification. Only with a willing accomplice of the enabling main stream media and complicit U.S. Congress could Obama have gotten away with this. The Press and MSM has totally failed in its role as the so called 4th branch of our government. They are no longer investigative journalist and finders of facts but are nothing more than a propaganda machine for Obama and his social justice crowd.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/Mactographer/birth_certificate_2-1.jpg

A website to find essays and research about Natural Born Citizenship and the eligibility issue.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

This case will get to the bottom of this all, imo.

Kerchner et al vs Obama and Congress et al:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A copy is needed per Hawaiian law for the Homeland program. They do not accept certifications for that program. I think this newspaper author skimmed over and omitted some facts. Also, copies of paper records can still be obtained of the original documents via court order, if the CERT form is questioned legally, which Obama is fighting. The CERT form is prima facie evidence, not conclusive evidence, and is only good in court if it's validity is not questioned.

Obama himself wrote in in his book, "Dreams from My Father" that he had in his possession in the 80s copy of his Birth Certificate which he obtained at the time his father died in Kenya per his book. He considered it one of his prized possessions. Why can't he produce a certified copy of that one for starters? Then he could stop fighting the lawsuits demanding a court ordered copy be obtained from the Hawaiian vaults. And he could stop fighting the lawsuits trying to get copies of his application to Occidental College and his financial assistance application there. Did he apply for financial aide there as a foreign born student using a Kenyan BC or Indonesian passport, or both, as evidence for obtaining that aide. Why is Obama hiding all his early life birth, education, and travel records prior to becoming a U.S. Senator.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A copy is needed per Hawaiian law for the Homeland program. They do not accept certifications for that program. I think this newspaper author skimmed over and omitted some facts. Also, copies of paper records can still be obtained of the original documents via court order, if the CERT form is questioned legally, which Obama is fighting. The CERT form is prima facie evidence, not conclusive evidence, and is only good in court if it's validity is not questioned.

Also, Obama himself wrote in in his book, "Dreams from My Father" that he had in his possession in the 80s copy of his Birth Certificate which he obtained about the time his father died in Kenya. He considered it one of his prized possessions. Why can't he produce a certified copy of that one for starters? Then he could stop fighting the lawsuits demanding a court ordered copy be obtained from the Hawaiian vaults. And he could stop fighting the lawsuits trying to get copies of his application to Occidental College and his financial assistance application there. Did he apply for financial aide there as a foreign born student using a Kenyan BC or Indonesian passport, or both, as evidence for obtaining that aide. Why is Obama hiding all his early life birth, education, and travel records prior to becoming a U.S. Senator.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A copy is needed per Hawaiian law for the Homeland program. They do not accept certifications for that program. I think this newspaper author skimmed over and omitted some facts. Also, copies of paper records can still be obtained of the original documents via court order, if the CERT form is questioned legally, which Obama is fighting. The CERT form is prima facie evidence, not conclusive evidence, and is only good in court if it's validity is not questioned.

Also, Obama himself wrote in in his book, "Dreams from My Father" that he had in his possession in the 80s copy of his Birth Certificate which he obtained about the time his father died in Kenya. He considered it one of his prized possessions. Why can't he produce a certified copy of that one for starters? Then he could stop fighting the lawsuits demanding a court ordered copy be obtained from the Hawaiian vaults. And he could stop fighting the lawsuits trying to get copies of his application to Occidental College and his financial assistance application there. Did he apply for financial aide there as a foreign born student using a Kenyan BC or Indonesian passport, or both, as evidence for obtaining that aide. Why is Obama hiding all his early life birth, education, and travel records prior to becoming a U.S. Senator.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

A copy is needed per Hawaiian law for the Homeland program. They do not accept certifications for that program. I think this newspaper author skimmed over and omitted some facts. Also, copies of paper records can still be obtained of the original documents via court order, if the CERT form is questioned legally, which Obama is fighting. The CERT form is prima facie evidence, not conclusive evidence, and is only good in court if it's validity is not questioned.

Also, Obama himself wrote in in his book, "Dreams from My Father" that he had in his possession in the 80s copy of his Birth Certificate which he obtained about the time his father died in Kenya. He considered it one of his prized possessions. Why can't he produce a certified copy of that one for starters? Then he could stop fighting the lawsuits demanding a court ordered copy be obtained from the Hawaiian vaults. And he could stop fighting the lawsuits trying to get copies of his application to Occidental College and his financial assistance application there. Did he apply for financial aide there as a foreign born student using a Kenyan BC or Indonesian passport, or both, as evidence for obtaining that aide. Why is Obama hiding all his early life birth, education, and travel records prior to becoming a U.S. Senator.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Mr. Hussein's operatives have a newer, better version on the net. This one even looks like it has a raised seal. See it here.

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4068

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/Mactographer/birth_certificate_2-1.jpg

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Joseph,

Here is another, newer, just made copy of Mr. Hussein's COLB. Isn't PhotoShop wonderful. No paper analysis by an official independent document expert has ever been allowed by the Obama camp of the paper used to make the digital picture of the COLB. Is it real, memorex, or photoshopped. See the link in the below page and take a look at this new image for Mr. Hussein. It is even better than the first digital image he produced, which not have a seal imprint on it. This one does. I suggest you refer to this one in the future. It is of better PhotoShop quality work.

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4068

Also, for essays by numerous writers on the historical and legal term of art meaning, and even a linguistic analysis of the term, natural born citizenship, see this site:

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Mr. Hussein posts a newer, better made, version of his "genuine" Certification of Live Birth (COLB).

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4068

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Billsey,

This is all being fueled by concerned Americans, not any single organization, just like the Tea Parties. Allowing a person to prove he is eligible to be President and Commander-in-Chief based on a digital computer image of a computer generated piece of paper that no independent official expert paper document examiner has ever examined, is not acceptable. Here is an example of why:

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4068

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Twitchy,

You mean like this one from Hawaii?

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4068

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi Meridth,

Here is another copy and digital image of a COLB on this site for your reference.

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4068

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Some clarity on the Obama eligibility issue can be found at sites such as these:

http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org/

and

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

This lawsuit will reach SCOTUS and be heard on the merits. It was brought when Obama was no longer a candidate but a Federal official. It asks for the Supreme Court to define Natural Born Citizen as one of its goals. That and it is a suit against Congress for failure to do its duty under the Constitution and illegal activities during the Joint Session.

Kerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

One page summary of the case:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16055983/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

This lawsuit will reach SCOTUS and be heard on the merits. It was brought when Obama was no longer a candidate but a Federal official. It asks for the Supreme Court to define Natural Born Citizen as one of its goals. That and it is a suit against Congress for failure to do its duty under the Constitution and illegal activities during the Joint Session.

Kerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

One page summary of the case:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16055983/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

This lawsuit will reach SCOTUS and be heard on the merits. It was brought when Obama was no longer a candidate but a Federal official. It asks for the Supreme Court to define Natural Born Citizen as one of its goals. That and it is a suit against Congress for failure to do its duty under the Constitution and illegal activities during the Joint Session.

Kerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

One page summary of the case:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16055983/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Don't worry. Chas Warren will be back shortly using a new ID or he will pass this thread to another ACORN chapter to follow on with. They never give up. Their goals is to where everyone out at whatever blog thread or venue they feel is gaining traction for those trying to expose Obama for who is really is ... a usurper President. The Obama side of America currently controls all functions of government and the Main Stream Media. But they don't control the people who are now starting to see through the B.S. pumped out and empty promises of the campaign. Obama is leading this country straight to socialism or even Fascism. How appropriate that Chas lives in Moscow per his site. The people are starting to awaken. And it is a grass roots awakening. Look at all the hand made signs at the T Party events. Look at how the people really came here thinking that their message might get through to their government, given the original stated rules and mission statement of this site. But alas, they are turning a deaf ear once again.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Chas Warren is now using Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals tactics to deflect the fact that he has been uncovered. ACORN operatives are trained in classes, some by Obama himself, in those deflection of argument tactics to appeal to sympathy and nobler motives (rule #4) when they are uncovered and revealed or about to be. Now they want to be treated fair after spreading mostly false, misleading, and mis&dis-information in a blog. Obama is a second generation disciple of Saul Alinsky. He taught classes to ACORN in how to organize for street demonstrations and how to use the internet for maximum advantage. They are trained in mob psychology and manipulation techniques. Next will come rule number 5, ridicule.

http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/8925/alinsky.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Chas Warren is not one person, imo, but a team of people using the same user ID working 24x7 of Obama ACORN type paid or volunteer operatives operating in a war-room somewhere, or in a distributed coordinated network of ACORN affiliates, to battle the truth online 24x7 when a new venue attempts to break through with the truth. They have used this team tackle tactic to dominate many website during the election cycle last year. They also have done the same tactic in dominating WikiPedia articles about Obama. And of course Google's CEO is in the tank for Obama and changed their search algorithm to place mose any recent article searching about Obama and lawsuits into the Google sandbox and cellar, and instead display months old article as the top result as well as top billing to Obama's FightTheSmears site and other connected to the campaign sites such as FactCheck and willing accomplices such as Snopes.

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi all,

The "Kerchner vs Obama & Congress" lawsuit attorney and lead plaintiff were on the G. Gordon Liddy show today. Here is the link:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/g-gordon-liddy-radio-show-interview.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi all,

The "Kerchner vs Obama & Congress" lawsuit attorney and lead plaintiff were on the G. Gordon Liddy show today. Here is the link:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/g-gordon-liddy-radio-show-interview.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi all,

The "Kerchner vs Obama & Congress" lawsuit attorney and lead plaintiff were on the G. Gordon Liddy show today. Here is the link:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/g-gordon-liddy-radio-show-interview.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi all,

The "Kerchner vs Obama & Congress" lawsuit attorney and lead plaintiff were on the G. Gordon Liddy show today. Here is the link:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/g-gordon-liddy-radio-show-interview.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi all,

The "Kerchner vs Obama & Congress" lawsuit attorney and lead plaintiff were on the G. Gordon Liddy show today. Here is the link:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/g-gordon-liddy-radio-show-interview.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Hi all,

The "Kerchner vs Obama & Congress" lawsuit attorney and lead plaintiff were on the G. Gordon Liddy show today. Here is the link:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/g-gordon-liddy-radio-show-interview.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Obama may be a citizen but he is NOT a natural born citizen and for the singular office of the President under our Constitution the person in that office must be more than just an American citizen. He must be a natural born citizen to constitutional standards.

Also, the COLB digital image he has produced does not even prove he was born in Hawaii. Can you think of any official office in government where a digital image on the internet is all you have to show to prove you are a even an ordinary citizen, let alone a Natural Born Citizen to Constitutional standards.

You are intellectually dishonest. Obama has not produced COLB to any controlling legal authority or independent document examiner to determine its validity. All his has shown to anyone outside his campaign and his Annenberg Foundation (which Obama chaired) controlled FactCheck website is a digital image of an alleged document. Do you really believe that a digital image is all that is necessary to prove one's constitutional eligibility for any federal office in the land? Have you ever heard of PhotoShop and what can be done with a digital image and computer generated forms using digital laser printers? We the People want to see and have experts examine the underlying printed paper document used to make that image AND we also want to see the yet unseen long-form, original birth certificate still in the vaults in HI to see the name of the attending doctor and hospital where he was born and other contemporaneous non-family witnesses to the birth, if there are any!

Here is one expert's examination report of that digital image COLB that you place the entire safety of our country on and the future liberty of all of us on. Obama must prove he is eligible under Article II to constitutional standards, not FactCheck.org and Snopes.com website O-Bot standards.

See this report on the forgery of the COLB image on the internet shown by Obama's campaign and Snopes and FactCheck:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/04/why_obama_will_never_show_his_birth_certificate.thtml

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Obama may be a citizen but he is NOT a natural born citizen and for the singular office of the President under our Constitution the person in that office must be more than just an American citizen. He must be a natural born citizen to constitutional standards.

Also, the COLB digital image he has produced does not even prove he was born in Hawaii. Can you think of any official office in government where a digital image on the internet is all you have to show to prove you are a even an ordinary citizen, let alone a Natural Born Citizen to Constitutional standards.

You are intellectually dishonest. Obama has not produced COLB to any controlling legal authority or independent document examiner to determine its validity. All his has shown to anyone outside his campaign and his Annenberg Foundation (which Obama chaired) controlled FactCheck website is a digital image of an alleged document. Do you really believe that a digital image is all that is necessary to prove one's constitutional eligibility for any federal office in the land? Have you ever heard of PhotoShop and what can be done with a digital image and computer generated forms using digital laser printers? We the People want to see and have experts examine the underlying printed paper document used to make that image AND we also want to see the yet unseen long-form, original birth certificate still in the vaults in HI to see the name of the attending doctor and hospital where he was born and other contemporaneous non-family witnesses to the birth, if there are any!

Here is one expert's examination report of that digital image COLB that you place the entire safety of our country on and the future liberty of all of us on. Obama must prove he is eligible under Article II to constitutional standards, not FactCheck.org and Snopes.com website O-Bot standards.

See this report on the forgery of the COLB image on the internet shown by Obama's campaign and Snopes and FactCheck:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/04/why_obama_will_never_show_his_birth_certificate.thtml

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Michael,

You have to be kidding. Snopes.com, a husband and wife team of Democratic Obama supporters working out of their home are expert document examiners. They never even saw the document. They merely reprinted what they were told by the Obama campaign. Anyone citing Snopes.com at this point is either joking or a deceiver and is totally an ACORN O-Bot or Obama supporter on a mission.

Provide to the FBI and a private independent document expert firm selected by one of the attorneys filing the lawsuits ... the actual document, the paper ... digital images need not apply, and ask for a forensic report to be provided to the public, the lawyers, and the Congress.

Meet the real Snopes.com:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91196

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Chas Warren:

Back up your statement. Tell us where and when and who, names and credentials please, as to who was the expert document examiner who examined the paper short-form COLB document and found it authentic? Who were the witnesses to the tests. Show us the link to that report where that document expert person personally states they have physically had access to the paper document and have examined the paper document using to create the digital images circulated online and that they have found that paper document to be genuine and authentic? Again, give the names and credentials of the experts you say did this. Back up your statements.

Also: short-form (COLB) even it is genuince and it is not per Dr. Polarik is not equal to long form Birth Certificate (BC). See this report:

http://www.peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Birth_Certificate.htm

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Chas Warren:

Back up your statement. Tell us where and when and who, names and credentials please, as to who was the expert document examiner who examined the paper short-form COLB document and found it authentic? Who were the witnesses to the tests. Show us the link to that report where that document expert person personally states they have physically had access to the paper document and have examined the paper document using to create the digital images circulated online and that they have found that paper document to be genuine and authentic? Again, give the names and credentials of the experts you say did this. Back up your statements.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Some excellent essays about Obama's eligibility and other concerns about Obama can be found in the writings of Publius at:

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Obama may be a citizen but he is NOT a natural born citizen and for the singular office of the President under our Constitution the person in that office must be more than just an American citizen. He must be a natural born citizen to constitutional standards.

Also, the COLB digital image he has produced does not even prove he was born in Hawaii. Can you think of any official office in government where a digital image on the internet is all you have to show to prove you are a even an ordinary citizen, let alone a Natural Born Citizen to Constitutional standards.

You are intellectually dishonest. Obama has not produced COLB to any controlling legal authority or independent document examiner to determine its validity. All his has shown to anyone outside his campaign and his Annenberg Foundation (which Obama chaired) controlled FactCheck website is a digital image of an alleged document. Do you really believe that a digital image is all that is necessary to prove one's constitutional eligibility for any federal office in the land? Have you ever heard of PhotoShop and what can be done with a digital image and computer generated forms using digital laser printers? We the People want to see and have experts examine the underlying printed paper document used to make that image AND we also want to see the yet unseen long-form, original birth certificate still in the vaults in HI to see the name of the attending doctor and hospital where he was born and other contemporaneous non-family witnesses to the birth, if there are any!

Here is one expert's examination report of that digital image COLB that you place the entire safety of our country on and the future liberty of all of us on. Obama must prove he is eligible under Article II to constitutional standards, not FactCheck.org and Snopes.com website O-Bot standards.

See this report on the forgery of the COLB image on the internet shown by Obama's campaign and Snopes and FactCheck:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/04/why_obama_will_never_show_his_birth_certificate.thtml

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Obama has not released the paper copy of the COLB to any controlling legal authority or independent document examiner to determine its validity. All his has shown to anyone outside his campaign and his Annenberg Foundation (which Obama chaired) controlled FactCheck website is a digital image of an alleged document. Do you really believe that a digital image is all that is necessary to prove one's constitutional eligibility for any federal office in the land? Have you ever heard of PhotoShop and what can be done with a digital image and computer generated forms using digital laser printers? We the People want to see and have experts examine the underlying printed paper document used to make that image AND we also want to see the yet unseen long-form, original birth certificate still in the vaults in HI to see the name of the attending doctor and hospital where he was born and other contemporaneous non-family witnesses to the birth, if there are any!

Here is one expert's examination report of that digital image COLB that you place the entire safety of our country on and the future liberty of all of us on. Obama must prove he is eligible under Article II to constitutional standards, not FactCheck.org and Snopes.com website O-Bot standards.

See this report on the forgery of the COLB image on the internet shown by Obama's campaign and Snopes and FactCheck:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/04/why_obama_will_never_show_his_birth_certificate.thtml

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

The site you point to are intellectually dishonest. Obama has not produced paper COLB to any controlling legal authority or independent expert document examiner to determine its validity. All he has shown to anyone in the electorate or public, outside his campaign and his Annenberg Foundation (which Obama chaired) controlled FactCheck website, is a digital image on the internet of an alleged document. Do you really believe that a digital image is all that is necessary to prove one's constitutional eligibility for the President and Commander in Chief of our military or for any federal office for that matter, in this land under our Constitution? Have you ever heard of PhotoShop and what can be done with a digital image and computer manufacture real looking forms and identity theft quality documents using digital laser printers? Anyone with any common sense knows you cannot trust a digital image from a campaign or other website for anything important. We the People want to see and have experts examine the underlying printed paper document used to make that image AND we also want to see the yet unseen long-form, original birth certificate still in the vaults in HI to see the name of the attending doctor and hospital where he was born and other contemporaneous non-family witnesses to the birth, if there are any!

Here is one expert's examination report of that digital image COLB that you place the entire safety of our country on and the future liberty of all of us on. Obama must prove he is eligible under Article II to constitutional standards, not FactCheck.org and Snopes.com website O-Bot standards.

See this report on the forgery of the COLB image on the internet shown by Obama's campaign and Snopes and FactCheck:
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/04/why_obama_will_never_show_his_birth_certificate.thtml

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Chas,

You are intellectually dishonest. Obama has not produced COLB to any controlling legal authority or independent document examiner to determine its validity. All his has shown to anyone outside his campaign and his Annenberg Foundation (which Obama chaired) controlled FactCheck website is a digital image of an alleged document. Do you really believe that a digital image is all that is necessary to prove one's constitutional eligibility for any federal office in the land? Have you ever heard of PhotoShop and what can be done with a digital image and computer generated forms using digital laser printers? We the People want to see and have experts examine the underlying printed paper document used to make that image AND we also want to see the yet unseen long-form, original birth certificate still in the vaults in HI to see the name of the attending doctor and hospital where he was born and other contemporaneous non-family witnesses to the birth, if there are any!

Here is one expert's examination report of that digital image COLB that you place the entire safety of our country on and the future liberty of all of us on. Obama must prove he is eligible under Article II to constitutional standards, not FactCheck.org and Snopes.com website O-Bot standards.

See this report on the forgery of the COLB image on the internet shown by Obama's campaign and Snopes and FactCheck:
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/04/why_obama_will_never_show_his_birth_certificate.thtml

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Chas,

The Republicans are no better than the Democrats in protecting the Article II requirements of our Constitution. They put forward McCain for President and he was not a Natural Born Citizen despite Senate Resolution 511 saying he was ... because he was not born on the military base in Panama but in Panama proper in a civilian hospital in Colon. Also the Republicans are now pushing forth the candidacy of Gov Jindall of Louisianna for Pres in 2012 and Jindall is not a Natural Born Citizen as neither of his parents were citizens when he was born in the USA. This bill is nothing more than a subtle attempt to change the meaning of the 14th Amendment and the Citizenship at Birth standards so the average Joe will swallow another non-natural born citizen to be put forward as a candidate in 2012, and/or to make it easier for Obama to re-run. If they can get this through they will then try the next step to try and redefine what a Natural Born Citizen is, which constitutionally they cannot. But they tried before and they will try again, if they get this bill through. Both the RNC and the DNC are putting party power above the country and the Constitution. A natural born citizen is one born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country. Obama is not, McCain is not, and Gov Jindall is not a natural born citizen. The so-called birthers are equal opportunity protectors of the Constitution. This is not about politics but the Constitution and protecting that contract between we the people and our Federal government ... and our liberty!

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

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ramjet767 9 months ago

Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al lawsuit in Washington Times National Weekly edition, June 1st issue:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16055983/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al lawsuit in Washington Times National Weekly edition, June 1st issue:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16055983/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

The Obama supporters in Congress are already working behind the scenes. They have a bill in process which would help aide Obame in redefining Natural Born Citizen, in the eye of the general public, from its historical constitutional meaning to something more suited to their needs with Obama. See HR 1868 at this link:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

They also have another bill in process to repeal the term limits 22nd amendment in our Constitution so Obama can run more than twice. This is the same thing that Hugo Chavez recently did in Venezuela by changing their Constitution to repeal term limits.

Obama and his far-left, socialist minions are a real danger to our liberty and Constitution. He has totally ignored Article II of the Constitution with obfuscations and phony digital images of questional documents. He is making a mockery of our rule of law and our Constitutional Republic. And the enabling Main Stream Media (MSM) has allowed him to do this. There is major trouble ahead for our country if the people do not demand and get an investigation of the true identity of Obama by full Congressional hearings with full subpoena powers by both the majority and minority members of the investigating Congressional committee. We need this hearing before it is too late. Look who Obama is consulting with today as to our national interest, not people in the USA but the King of Saudi Arabia to who he bowed to on the last visit and from whom he has obtained much financing in his political career over time. He is clearly influenced by foreigners and of which John Jay warned George Washington about. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, as his father was not a Citizen nor was his father even an immigrant to the USA!

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

The Obama supporters in Congress are already working behind the scenes. They have a bill in process which would help aide Obame in redefining Natural Born Citizen, in the eye of the general public, from its historical constitutional meaning to something more suited to their needs with Obama. See HR 1868 at this link:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

They also have another bill in process to repeal the term limits 22nd amendment in our Constitution so Obama can run more than twice. This is the same thing that Hugo Chavez recently did in Venezuela by changing their Constitution to repeal term limits.

Obama and his far-left, socialist minions are a real danger to our liberty and Constitution. He has totally ignored Article II of the Constitution with obfuscations and phony digital images of questional documents. He is making a mockery of our rule of law and our Constitutional Republic. And the enabling Main Stream Media (MSM) has allowed him to do this. There is major trouble ahead for our country if the people do not demand and get an investigation of the true identity of Obama by full Congressional hearings with full subpoena powers by both the majority and minority members of the investigating Congressional committee. We need this hearing before it is too late. Look who Obama is consulting with today as to our national interest, not people in the USA but the King of Saudi Arabia to who he bowed to on the last visit and from whom he has obtained much financing in his political career over time. He is clearly influenced by foreigners and of which John Jay warned George Washington about. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, as his father was not a Citizen nor was his father even an immigrant to the USA!

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

The Obama supporters in Congress are already working behind the scenes. They have a bill in process which would help aide Obame in redefining Natural Born Citizen, in the eye of the general public, from its historical constitutional meaning to something more suited to their needs with Obama. See HR 1868 at this link:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

They also have another bill in process to repeal the term limits 22nd amendment in our Constitution so Obama can run more than twice. This is the same thing that Hugo Chavez recently did in Venezuela by changing their Constitution to repeal term limits.

Obama and his far-left, socialist minions are a real danger to our liberty and Constitution. He has totally ignored Article II of the Constitution with obfuscations and phony digital images of questional documents. He is making a mockery of our rule of law and our Constitutional Republic. And the enabling Main Stream Media (MSM) has allowed him to do this. There is major trouble ahead for our country if the people do not demand and get an investigation of the true identity of Obama by full Congressional hearings with full subpoena powers by both the majority and minority members of the investigating Congressional committee. We need this hearing before it is too late. Look who Obama is consulting with today as to our national interest, not people in the USA but the King of Saudi Arabia to who he bowed to on the last visit and from whom he has obtained much financing in his political career over time. He is clearly influenced by foreigners and of which John Jay warned George Washington about. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, as his father was not a Citizen nor was his father even an immigrant to the USA!

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

The Obama supporters in Congress are already working behind the scenes. They have a bill in process which would help aide Obame in redefining Natural Born Citizen, in the eye of the general public, from its historical constitutional meaning to something more suited to their needs with Obama. See HR 1868 at this link:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

They also have another bill in process to repeal the term limits 22nd amendment in our Constitution so Obama can run more than twice. This is the same thing that Hugo Chavez recently did in Venezuela by changing their Constitution to repeal term limits.

Obama and his far-left, socialist minions are a real danger to our liberty and Constitution. He has totally ignored Article II of the Constitution with obfuscations and phony digital images of questional documents. He is making a mockery of our rule of law and our Constitutional Republic. And the enabling Main Stream Media (MSM) has allowed him to do this. There is major trouble ahead for our country if the people do not demand and get an investigation of the true identity of Obama by full Congressional hearings with full subpoena powers by both the majority and minority members of the investigating Congressional committee. We need this hearing before it is too late. Look who Obama is consulting with today as to our national interest, not people in the USA but the King of Saudi Arabia to who he bowed to on the last visit and from whom he has obtained much financing in his political career over time. He is clearly influenced by foreigners and of which John Jay warned George Washington about. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, as his father was not a Citizen nor was his father even an immigrant to the USA!

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Alert to all readers!

Obama supporters in Congress are already working behind the scenes. They have a bill in process which would redefine Natural Born Citizen from its historical constitutional meaning to something more suited to their needs with Obama. See HR 1868 at this link:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

They also have another bill in process to repeal the term limits 22nd amendment in our Constitution so Obama can run more than twice. This is the same thing that Hugo Chavez recently did in Venezuela by changing their Constitution to repeal term limits.

Obama and his far-left, socialist minions are a real danger to our liberty and Constitution. He has totally ignored Article II of the Constitution with obfuscations and phony digital images of questional documents. He is making a mockery of our rule of law and our Constitutional Republic. And the enabling Main Stream Media (MSM) has allowed him to do this. There is major trouble ahead for our country if the people do not demand and get an investigation of the true identity of Obama by full Congressional hearings with full subpoena powers by both the majority and minority members of the investigating Congressional committee. We need this hearing before it is too late. Look who Obama is consulting with today as to our national interest, not people in the USA but the King of Saudi Arabia to who he bowed to on the last visit and from whom he has obtained much financing in his political career over time. He is clearly influenced by foreigners and of which John Jay warned George Washington about. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, as his father was not a Citizen nor was his father even an immigrant to the USA!

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

JimBlack:

Yes the Obama supporters in Congress are already working behind the scenes. They have a bill in process which would redefine Natural Born Citizen from its historical constitutional meaning to something more suited to their needs with Obama. See HR 1868 at this link:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

They also have another bill in process to repeal the term limits 22nd amendment in our Constitution so Obama can run more than twice. This is the same thing that Hugo Chavez recently did in Venezuela by changing their Constitution to repeal term limits.

Obama and his far-left, socialist minions are a real danger to our liberty and Constitution. He has totally ignored Article II of the Constitution with obfuscations and phony digital images of questional documents. He is making a mockery of our rule of law and our Constitutional Republic. And the enabling Main Stream Media (MSM) has allowed him to do this. There is major trouble ahead for our country if the people do not demand and get an investigation of the true identity of Obama by full Congressional hearings with full subpoena powers by both the majority and minority members of the investigating Congressional committee. We need this hearing before it is too late. Look who Obama is consulting with today as to our national interest, not people in the USA but the King of Saudi Arabia to who he bowed to on the last visit and from whom he has obtained much financing in his political career over time. He is clearly influenced by foreigners and of which John Jay warned George Washington about. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, as his father was not a Citizen nor was his father even an immigrant to the USA!

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Lots of good essays and writings at these sites on this thread's topic:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6216

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Lots of good essays and writings at these sites on this thread's topic:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6216

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Lots of good essays and writings at this site on this thread's topic:

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Lots of good essays and writings at this site on this thread's topic:

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Support and ask your congressman to co-sponsor H.R. 1503 by Congressman Bill Posey of Florida.

An excellent source of information on the Obama constitutional eligibility issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Support and ask your congressman to co-sponsor H.R. 1503 by Congressman Bill Posey of Florida.

An excellent source of information on the Obama constitutional eligibility issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An excellent source of information on the Obama constitutional eligibility issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An excellent source of information on the Obama constitutional eligibility issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An excellent source of information on the Obama constitutional eligibility issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An excellent source of information on the Obama constitutional eligibility issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An excellent source of information on the Obama constitutional eligibility issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An excellent source of information on the Obama constitutional eligibility issue:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Write to your U.S. Congressman and demand that they support house bill H.R. 1503 by Congressman Bill Posey of FL. It will change the election laws so that Presidential candidates cannot hide and seal their documents from the electorate and public. It will mandate that the FEC enforce the new law. Right now the FEC only oversees financial issues. Under the new law it would have to obtain any and all necessary documents to certify that the Presidential candidate is constitutionally eligible for the office.

So write to your Congressman and ask them to support and co-sponsor H.R. 1503. Also write to your U.S. Senators to introduce similar legislation in the Senate so that no candidate in the future can pull this tragic fraud on the electorate as Obama has done. If nothing else, this new law would make Obama a one term President since for re-election the new law would require him to do in 2012 what he won't do now, produce to a government agency for examination a certified copy of his long form, typed, original Birth Certificate.

See other information at:
http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

You are totally wrong Art Lee.

See this website for a picture of a long form, typed, original CERTIFICATE of Live Birth which is very different than the computer generated, short form, summary CERTIFICATION of Live Birth document that Obama has provided only digital images of to the public. And experts say the digital images have been altered and they also say the underlying computer generated paper document is forged too.

http://www.peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Birth_Certificate.htm

Testimony of Image Expert Sandra Ramsey:
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/executedsandralinesdeclaration_1.pdf

Report of Image Expert Dr. Ron Polarik:
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

See other information at:
http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

White House 'dialogue' site scrubbed of eligibility posts. Is that open government. You give the people a voice but then you do not listen and turn a deaf ear. The response here should tell you how many and how frustrated We the People are that no one in Washington DC is listening and covering up this issue of Obama's eligigiblity.

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

DNC foisted a fraud on the American people:
Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. Father was not a citizen, nor even an immigrant to the USA.

RNC foisted a fraud on the American people:
McCain is not a Natural Born Citizen. Born in civilian hospital Colon Panama which was not in the Canal Zone.

RNC is posturing to foist another non-natural born citizen for President and fraud on the American people.
Gov Jindall of LA is not a Natural Born Citizen. Born in USA but both parents were not citizens of the USA when he was born.

Natural Born Citizenship defined:
http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/NatrualBornCitizenshipDefined.pdf

http://www.thebirthers.org/

Party politics are now trumping the Constitution. George Washington warned about this. Now we are seeing it. The Parties put their power above all, even the Constitution. Congress is controlled by the party leadership and they are now in CYA mode for the fraud both parties pulled on the American people in the 2008 presidential election.

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

DNC foisted a fraud on the American people:
Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. Father was not a citizen, nor even an immigrant to the USA.

RNC foisted a fraud on the American people:
McCain is not a Natural Born Citizen. Born in civilian hospital Colon Panama which was not in the Canal Zone.

RNC is posturing to foist another non-natural born citizen for President and fraud on the American people.
Gov Jindall of LA is not a Natural Born Citizen. Born in USA but both parents were not citizens of the USA when he was born.

Natural Born Citizenship defined:
http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/NatrualBornCitizenshipDefined.pdf

http://www.thebirthers.org/

Party politics are now trumping the Constitution. George Washington warned about this. Now we are seeing it. The Parties put their power above all, even the Constitution. Congress is controlled by the party leadership and they are now in CYA mode for the fraud both parties pulled on the American people in the 2008 presidential election.

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

DNC foisted a fraud on the American people:
Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. Father was not a citizen, nor even an immigrant to the USA.

RNC foisted a fraud on the American people:
McCain is not a Natural Born Citizen. Born in civilian hospital Colon Panama which was not in the Canal Zone.

RNC is posturing to foist another non-natural born citizen for President and fraud on the American people.
Gov Jindall of LA is not a Natural Born Citizen. Born in USA but both parents were not citizens of the USA when he was born.

Natural Born Citizenship defined:
http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/NatrualBornCitizenshipDefined.pdf

http://www.thebirthers.org/

Party politics are now trumping the Constitution. George Washington warned about this. Now we are seeing it. The Parties put their power above all, even the Constitution. Congress is controlled by the party leadership and they are now in CYA mode for the fraud both parties pulled on the American people in the 2008 presidential election.

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Natural Born Citizenship defined:

http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/NatrualBornCitizenshipDefined.pdf

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Natural Born Citizenship defined:

http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/NatrualBornCitizenshipDefined.pdf

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Natural Born Citizenship defined:

http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/NatrualBornCitizenshipDefined.pdf

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Natural Born Citizenship defined:

http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/NatrualBornCitizenshipDefined.pdf

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An essay:
"Obama Presidential Eligibility - An Introductory Primer" by Stephen Tonchen
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

Essays by M Publius Goat:
http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

Link to many essays and information about the term Natural Born Citizen:
http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An essay:
"Obama Presidential Eligibility - An Introductory Primer" by Stephen Tonchen
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

Essays by M Publius Goat:
http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

Link to many essays and information about the term Natural Born Citizen:
http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

An essay:
"Obama Presidential Eligibility - An Introductory Primer" by Stephen Tonchen
http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

Essays by M Publius Goat:
http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

Link to many essays and information about the term Natural Born Citizen:
http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Natural Born Citizenship is defined by nature not by man made laws and comes from natural law and the laws of nature which was codified in 1758 by Vattel in his treatise, The Law of Nations. The Law of Nature is mentioned in our Declaration of Independence and the Law of Nations is mentioned in our Constitution. Many other of Vattel work is included in our Declaration of Independence and our Federal government Constitution. We did not adopt English Common law for our Federal government. Vattel was a major source of influence for our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=3168

http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

http://www.greschak.com/essays/natborn/synopsis.htm

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

All on this thread:

Native Born Citizen does not equal Natural Born Citizen. Especially not to constitutional standards. See this essay for the complete explanation:

http://www.greschak.com/essays/natborn/synopsis.htm

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Did you all see this in the Washington Times National Weekly yesterday, June 1st 2009, page 27?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16055983/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

You should read this site for informative essays about Natural Born Citizenship to educate yourself what Article II Natural Born Citizenship means:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Another good site for information and essays about Natural Born Citizenship:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Another good site for information and essays about Natural Born Citizenship:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Another good site for information and essays about Natural Born Citizenship:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Another good site for information and essays about Natural Born Citizenship:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Another good site for information and essays about Natural Born Citizenship:

http://www.thebirthers.org/

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago

Another good site for information about Natural Born Citizenship:

http://www.thebirthers.org

RJ

ramjet767 9 months ago