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op_tomlinson

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If a forum is created where individuals may come and explain their differences with the status quo, they can be identified and logged as to the level of danger to the powers that be.

Then, when the final Clowerd-Piven strategy is employed, in the chaos, those who are going to be disruptive to the coup de grace, will somehow be lost in the shuffle as all are 'evacuated'. Questions are frantically asked and answers calmly given.

"They must have been transported to the other camp." "Do not worry they will turn up! We will do all we can to get you reunited with them ... move along now, we have to keep order. Oh no! these camps are just temporary until we can relocate you to a more suitable local! ...terrible how it all happened so fast! Who could have seen it coming?!"

And with this the guard woefully shakes his head as he returns to the other side of the fence. He does not feel right about repeating the lies he was instructed to tell and it gives him a queasy feeling in his stomach; but he comforts himself with, "it is the only way to save the nation" and besides, those in charge are soooo much smarter than he .... they MUST know what they are doing. Sadly ... they do.
The terms, 'democracy' and 'republic' and 'socialism' and communism' et al are tossed around; and yet how many Americans understand the truth which each represent.

Which form of government produces the freest of peoples?

Which form of government creates the strongest fortification against tyranny? We realize, of course, that tyranny can blossom (and does) from all forms of government. But what form of government will stave off tyranny best and longest?

And finally what form of government is guaranteed by law in the United States and upon what law and principle is that form of government guaranteed? What are the nation's source documents and from what paradigm do they spring?
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op_tomlinson 9 months ago
Hey come on! Lots of votes but no correlative comments. Do you not think this is a great idea? I am surprised that no one thought of it before I did.

BTW, do any of you who voted that this is a bad idea understand irony?

and 'nesivos' get your own thread! OR ... tell me how your comment relates to my idea, eh?
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
posters ... please disregard my negative vote ... unfortunately, can't change it ... I really dislike irretrievable errors
op_tomlinson 9 months ago

Does anyone understand the principle of lying with 'truth'?

"The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport:..."

Again, take the document that they have presented (your name inserted and go to any PO and ask if it is sufficient for you to receive a passport.

You see thay say that the presented COLB has all of the elements the state requires, not that one could obtain a passport with the document presented.

There is something being hidden by the powers that be. He traveled in the 80's to a restricted to American travel country. He had to have a passport. It could not have been a US passport. He is the Manchurian candidate, or Occam's Razor has lost its edge.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
OK 'ricardomigrant" We are not a democracy. And yes it is important to note that.

Please read the Constitution. Art. 4 Sec. 4 tells you we are a constitutional republic. Then do a search on founding fathers quotes concerning democracy ... they hated democracy with a passion. Reason #1 -- 50%+1 person says that 50%-1 person has to pay their way.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
This is tantamount to calling for a mans murder. Why has it been left up when reasonable questions have been ostensibly scrubbed from the site?

It is, to those of you who are less than circumspect, to cause those of us who are asking legitimate questions to look foolish.

Any who affirm or find this post amusing are either shills attempting to draw in the foolish and ignorant, or simply are foolish and ignorant.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
soho2west
Member since : May-30-2009 (Verified)
0 Ideas, 0 Comments, 145 Votes

Please explain to us why we should listen to those of you who will vote up or down and yet will not explain why you agree with or rail against the ideas presented.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
'kilpatds' ... 1 idea (a good and reasonable one by the way) but 0 comments and yet 1526 votes? You might want to engage more if you want folks to take your votes seriously

'gjohloc' ... 0 Ideas, 0 Comments, 751 Votes ... do you care to explain why you agree or disagree with anything you voted for, and if not, do you not think your pattern is a bit sophomoric?
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
First an apology ... I have deviated from the dialectic. Could not sleep and got carried away. I welcome questioning of my assertions.

Secondly, 'adkocher' what are you and your ilk doing? 161 votes and yet, no comments, no ideas. Please don't simply nay say; add to the discussion, eh?
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
tmayernik ... 1490 votes, but no ideas, no comments ... join the discussion, explain your positions,
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
antoinette_lasalle ... I believe it is safe to say that none of us are experts. That may be a good thing considering what we see passed off as expertise these days!

The thing that is highly commendable is that you are willing to begin an examination of the founders writings, particularly the Federalist Papers (F.P)!

But what do you mean when you say that democracy, communism, socialism, and a republic "... all represent the same truth"

And is not 'the government that produces the freest people, is the one under which people feel the freest' a subjective answer and how is that helpful?

If there is not objective truth, can it lead to anything in the final analysis but chaos?

"They all tend toward tyranny, as you observe, and I am not sure that any of them do it better than any other."

Might I correct myself? I believe they all can but not all of the 4 must eventually lead to tyranny.

The question remains, which of the four will best stave off tyranny the best and why does it?

"And finally what form of government is guaranteed by law in the United States and upon what law and principle is that form of government guaranteed?

Democratic republican government is established by the U.S. Constitution, I believe."

I would encourage you to look at Art. 4 Sec. 4 of the Constitution and ponder it asking yourself why they considered it worthy/necessary for inclusion.

"What are the nation's source documents and from what paradigm do they spring?

The writing of the Creator upon the human heart, as Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence."

Some might consider this an off hand answer, but in a nutshell you have stated that the US Constitution sprang forth from the principles of the Declaration of Independence and those came from the principles found in the Bible.

A profound answer.

If this is the case, If the principles of the founding documents spring forth from a divine source can they be lightly discarded?

Some might suggest that there is no God, but our government's founding fathers apparently not only believed He existed, but confirm such in their personal writings as well as the F.P. that you have already alluded to, that it is by His providence that America even exists!

And the question is not removed. Can we, should we, throw off that paradigm and what do we risk in so doing?

I will ask plainly now, why should a Constitutional Republic be considered the superior of the other form of Governments?

Is it not as 'randalphilips' rightly suggests when referring to B. Franklin's quote and also as Jefferson said, “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

Because of man's lust for power and his perversion, does he not and have we not seen communism/socialism become a small ruling elite with an oppressed minority? Do we see anywhere in history where this is not so?

So then why is a Constitutional republic superior?

It is in the first word, constitution:
The system of fundamental laws and principles that prescribes the nature, functions, and limits of a government or another institution.
The document in which such a system is recorded.

The Constitution is the Supreme LAW og the land and under which every other law must abide.

It was written for the common man in common language, but our founders were far sighted and so we have THE FEDERALIST PAPERS. Because of them, the plain truth of the Constitution is verified.

The Constitution is there for WE THE PEOPLE to bind the three offices of public servanthood, the executive, the legislative and the judicial. All three are and have been in violation of their oaths for a very long time and must be reigned in and that very soon or we shall cease to be a nation of free men and women.

Even if you are an atheist, if you can pretend, as many of us believe, that we are accountable to an almighty God, then the Republic will work and freedom is restored. and here is how it can be done ... but we must have the will.

We are the American people. We belong to a Constitutional Republic based on the Constitution that our founding fathers ratified Sept 17, 1787. That document was based on the Declaration of Independence whereby we severed union with Great Britain. This nation was founded upon reverence toward, and trust in the providence of the Divine Creator and the Salvation found in his son Jesus Christ. Our Founding Fathers' writings are rife with the germ of this declaration; without the creator for help, guidance, and providence there would be no United States of America.

Because our founding documents declare not only the right before and provided by God, for not only our "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" but also for that of our "posterity," we declare abortion to be anathema under our Constitution and all who declare otherwise are enemies of our Constitution and the republican form of government that it guarantees, Art. 4 Sec. 4.

Because Art. 1 Sec. 8 of the U.S. Constitution entrusts Congress with the, "power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States..." and because it is very specific as to how those taxes may be raised and because the IRS is under the Executive branch and because the sixteenth amendment was ostensibly never ratified by the necessary number of states, the IRS is an illegal bureaucratic agency which has no part or place in a constitutional republic, it must immediately be deconstructed and dispensed with; and immediately Congress must once again resume their responsibility in presenting to the American public each bill with what will be taxed to support that bill, i.e. road repair = gas tax.

Because only Congress shall have the right under Art. 1 Sec. 8, "To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures..." and the Constitution makes no provision for their abdication from that responsibility; the Federal Reserve, a private corporation which is answerable only to its shareholders and not to the people of the United States of America, it is an illegal entity, and encroaches upon the sovereignty of every citizen, it must immediately be abolished. Congress must once again take up its responsibility, even if the US chooses to use fiat money, as it has successfully many times in history. The US must once again become a nation that stands by its word and when it says a US dollar has a specific value, it must stand by that word.

Because the Tenth Amendment reserves all rights to the several states that are not explicitly declared in the US Constitution to be in the purview of the National Legislature and Executive Branch , the national representatives will forthwith cease and desist from all encroachment upon the states rights and repeal all federal laws that cannot be clearly supported by the U.S. Constitution.

Because there is no provision within the Constitution, for 'Executive Orders,' they will henceforth cease and all former executive orders shall be stricken from the record of the national government.

Because the Constitution was written for the common man's understanding, the Supreme Court will cease and desist from ostensibly finding penumbra whereby they, by judicial fiat, force upon the American public "laws" apart from, or in contradiction to legislation drafted within Congress. The Supreme Court shall henceforth resume its rightful and only lawful position of determining individual cases to the rescue of US citizens and by an act of its own will remove its oligarchical intrusion into creation of law.

Will the nation survive and return to its true free, republican form of government where our representatives, judges and the president are once again fettered by the law they swore to uphold? YOU will decide.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
'randalphillips' ... good Franklin quote and it in a nutshell explains the dangers of democracy. It gives a picture of what at least one of the founders believed concerning democracy. If he believed this, what was his solution? Please continue.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
'bluegold' ... another interesting fellow or gal ... 511 votes but no ideas, no comments. Help us with solutions. Join the discussion
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
'kpburk', 'jble' ... I have no problem with folks disagreeing with me, but 'jble,' you have voted on 210 discussions and yet haven't offered one comment or idea and your votes 'kpburk,' number 155 without one comment or idea.

Nearly every honest, thinking person is in agree that America is in serious trouble. Won't you join with us to try and find a solution?
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
'antoinette_lasalle ... "Read "The Federalist Papers."

That is an outstanding suggestion.

If you were pressed to compress the writings of Hamilton, Madison, Jay and "Publius" in the F.P. in say, 500 words or less, what would you write?

It is easy to say read the Federalist Papers, and some might even assent to it until they find that in paperback form the 85 papers fill 499 pages, eh?

Unfortunately in today's soundbite world it is difficult to get people to devote time to such an effort.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
'antoinette_lasalle ... "Read "The Federalist Papers."

That is an outstanding suggestion.

If you were pressed to compress the writings of Hamilton, Madison, Jay and "Publius" in the F.P. in say, 500 words or less, what would you write?

Again our goal is to educate one another concerning the foundations of are government, is it not? And it is easy to say read the Federalist Papers, and some might even assent to it until they find that in paperback for the 85 papers fill 499 pages, eh?

And unfortunately in today's soundbite world it is difficult to get people to devote time to such an effort.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
You believe Rohm is proIsrael ah-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ... YOU ARE CONFUSED! He may be of Jewish descent, but he is no friend to Israel. Do some research. You might find you really come to like Rohm!
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
But, What do the source documents declare as the lawful government of the United States? And have we in any wise abandoned that form of government?

It is all well and good to know what environment the other types of government produce and it is important that we examine those forms of government and their results.

But what were the founders views of Government. What form of government did they determine would be the best for the United States of America? Where do you find their explanations for their choices.

Do you think their choices should be abandoned and if so, why?

If you find that surreptitiously the foundation that they laid has been eroded by the unscrupulous, what should be done?

'hersanctuary'... you say the USA is a Republic "WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE POWER" ... tell us, how does that translate? How is it that the people hold the power?

'John Tucker'... What is a "Democracy" and why do you favor it? Is that the type of government that was the foundation of the nation?

'clifton.hancock'... "Communism is tyranny and socialism a grave abuse of power. Making either Democracy or Republic ..." Not bad, but we can not go by your definition or mine (though in a fairly succinct manner you have indicated the relatively clear outcome of communism). But what makes a republic or a democracy better? Which one is best? What did the founders have to say about each?

'LoveAmerica'... "Our Republic is supposed to generally do the will of the people without allowing minorities to get abused." How is this accomplished?

For any who read this, it is easy to pontificate, for me more than most. So I am not trying to be obnoxious by asking questions; just the opposite.

I am attempting to encourage all to go to the source documents and examine the truth promulgated by the founding documents and subsequent writings of our founding fathers. And the most important question that I ask is, do we wish to abandon their wisdom?
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
"Now here is the catch, once our public servants determine that they are no longer restrained by the rule of law or the constitution, then the republic dies and becomes an oligarchy, the rule of a few above the laws and beholden to none."

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And herein is the misunderstanding. A Constitutional Republic is based on law. The law was written to constrain all who enter public service. They are to be bound to that law. The term 'bound by the chains of the Constitution' declares that they have only limited powers and authority.

When a law is good and just as the US Constitution is, do usurpers of that law make it null by their violation of it?

If that is the case, then there is no law and we suffer under the whims of tyrants and those tyrants arise from our own midst.

WE THE PEOPLE must return to the truth of the Constitution; we rise as one man and demand that the public servants that make up the cogs of government once again be "bound by the chains of the Constitution" or we lay the chains of slavery found in 'democracy/socialism/communism/etc. upon ourselves, go to our knees and lick the boot of our masters.

Any who believe that they will always remain in a position of power within the socialist state that is being foisted upon America and never be found the slave, are the greatest of fools. They are arrogant children who have no understanding of socialism.

Read the wisdom of the founders et al and contemplate:

"If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws." ~ Noah Webster

"Finally, let us not forget the religious character of our origin. Our fathers were brought hither by their high veneration for the Christian religion. They journeyed by its light, and labored in its hope. They sought to incorporate its principles with the elements of their society, and to diffuse its influence through all their institutions, civil, political, or literary." ~ Daniel Webster

"If religious books are not widely circulated among the masses in this country, I do not know what is going to become of us as a nation. If truth be not diffused, error will be; If God and His Word are not known and received, the devil and his works will gain the ascendancy, If the evangelical volume does not reach every hamlet, the pages of a corrupt and licentious literature will; If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end." ~ Daniel Webster

"Education is useless without the Bible." ~ Noah Webster

"In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed....No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people." ~ Noah Webster

"The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles, which enjoins humility, piety, and benevolence; which acknowledges in every person a brother, or a sister, and a citizen with equal rights. This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free Constitutions of Government." ~ Noah Webster

"If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity." ~ Daniel Webster

"The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind. Where, some say, is the king of America? I'll tell you, friend, He reigns above." ~ Thomas Paine

"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."
~William Penn

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~Patrick Henry

"We the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts--not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." ~ Abraham Lincoln

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by the gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpation." ~ President James Madison (1751-1836) speech, Virginia Convention, 1788

"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves, (A)nd if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." ~ Thomas Jefferson

"Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts,and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did
not commit suicide." ~ John Adams

"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step over the ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! -- All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a Thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide." ~ Abraham Lincoln

"Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure." ~ Thomas Jefferson

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master." ~ Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" ~ Benjamin Franklin

"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature.... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation ... it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces." ~ James Garfield,

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does NOT mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country." ~ Theodore Roosevelt

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There will be national repentance or their will be national death.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
Google search of Federalist papers and you should come up with 85

Yes ... 'argument to the man' ... it is a waste of time and demeans. It has no purpose.

As for democracy? It is mob rule and what was never meant to be in America. The founders knew that democracy would always be doomed to failure and that is why they railed against it.

Sadly there are far too many politicians today and far too few statesmen and far too many who have turned their back on the one true God who gave us the once great nation of the United States of America.

As Tocqueville said, "... when she ceases to be good, she will cease to be great."
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
FF --- founding fathers Sam. There is quite a mass of information that is to be understood in the writing and meaning behind the US Constitution. It in fact is founded upon the principles of the Declaration of independence which attributes rights and freedoms to God.

The founders wrote a series of news articles describing and explaining the thrust and vision of the Constitution compiled and now referred to as the Federalist Papers of whom the authors were principally Hamilton, Madison along with Jay, and possibly numerous under the pseudonym 'PUBLIUS' though I am inclined to believe that may have been Franklin.

If you study their writings you will discover the genius that is lacking in political thought today where we have politicians who seek their assent to the destruction of a nation in lieu of statesman who desire freedom for their fellow man.

And Sam, I said that government schools taught drivel, and that it should be left behind. I said nothing about you ranting.

Argumentum ad hominem is for those who desire to neither teach nor learn but for those who demand that they must not be corrected and under whose authority all must come; in the simplest term, tyrants.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
Sam, we are not a democracy. Go to the source documents and then get back to me.

Additionally whether we avail ourselves of the system, we are all under it.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
BTW Sam ... I did not vote on your presentation.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
"The category is the US, which consists of three dominant attributes known as Democracy, Capitalism and Religion. These dominant attributes are not common to all its members referred to as citizens."

Sam, you need to leave the drivel that you have learned in 'government' school. On your above promulgation which is foundational to all else you have said? ... you got a 5o%. That is a 'F' ... which is a failing grade.

Figure out where you made your mistakes and rethink your presentation.

The internet is a marvelous place to present ideas and thoughts, on FACTS, however, we must do our best to have our FACTS straight, or we will variably mislead with our thoughts on 'the facts'. We can not help but do so. All men who are 'true' are revulsed by such a proposition.
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
rrau22 1 hour ago

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It's been verified and anyone with a bit of intelligence knows that. There is no cloud of doubt even among the subversives in this country-they just like to stir this around because they can't come with anything constructive.

REEEEAAAALLY now ... tell you what rrau22, why do you not take up my challenge? Afraid of what you might find out? Take the purported 'Birth Certificate' (actually a Certificate of Live Birth) and insert your name and take it to any PO and ask if it is sufficient for you to receive a passport ... then get back to us on that will you? In fact make a YouTube video and post it. Go to a lot of PO's so there is not a doubt in anyone's mind! It will make you a big hero with all of your socialist friends!

And BTW, what makes for a subversive? Would you explain that to us?
op_tomlinson 9 months ago
For those of you who are SURE that we have seen Barack Obama's birth certificate (after all Snopes says it is good!) I have a little challenge for you. Take said certificate and insert your name, making no other changes. Then, take it to any local US Post office and ask them if it will be sufficient for you to receive a US Passport. I am not suggesting you actually try to get a passport, just ask if the document will allow you to. After you are told no for the 22nd time, try to rationalize away the fact that if the Government will not allow you to get a passport with it, then why would they let you become president with it?