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Why Is This Idea Important?: obama is not qualified by definition of the constitution to be president of the USA thereby any written documents he signs while in ofice are an embarrasment to the USAQ. In addition his conduct here and abroad are an embarrasment to this once great country

Here's a great explanation of why husein's mouthpiece Robert Gibbs (who thinks honest questions are hilarious) should be aware that a "certification of life birth" which just means a person was born (could be in Kenya, USA, the moon, etc.) is not a birth certificate. So far husein has spent one million dollars in legal fees to fight producing a birth certificate. If you were challenged would you spend a million dollars or just go to your safe deposit box or county you were born in and show your certificate? Case closed.

New bid to unseal Obama's birth certificate

Challenge claims Hawaii waived privacy by talking about document

Posted: May 28, 2009

11:50 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Andy Martin

A Chicago activist who has pursued a challenge to Barack Obama's eligibility to be president since before the 2008 election is asking an appeals court in Hawaii to order the release of the president's original birth certificate, explaining that state officials have waived their ability to claim any further it is a private document.

The request was submitted by self-described Internet "writer/columnist/investigative journalist" Andy Martin to the Intermediate Court of Appeals in Hawaii this week. It comes in a lawsuit against Gov. Linda Lingle and others and asks the court to order the release of Obama's original birth documentation.

Martin, who writes on the ContrarianCommentary.blogpost.com page, filed his lawsuit Oct. 17, 2008, seeking a declaratory judgment to obtain access to the 1961 birth certificate of Barack Obama, who then was a candidate for president.

A circuit judge set a hearing after the election, but because of a growing controversy over the complete absence of documentation about Obama's birth place – and therefore his constitutional eligibility to be president – Hawaiian Health Director Chiyome Fukino issued a statement regarding the issue:

"I, and Dr. Alvin Onaka have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

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But as WND has reported, the statement left ambiguous the information in the birth certificate: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaiin birth, or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii? An online "Certification of Live Birth" posted by Obama doesn't verify a Hawaiian birth, because it is a document the state has made available to children not born in the state, critics note.

Now Martin's demand to the appeals court states that Fukino "disseminated information that they had examined the 'original' birth certificate, and it was valid. …"

Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 375,000 others and sign up now!

"On the weekend before the presidential election, defendant Fukino disseminated a de facto 'endorsement' of candidate Obama's birth certificate, saying she had examined the document and it was 'valid,' while continuing her refusal to release the actual record so her claims could be examined in context and while refusing to discuss the actual contents and information contained in the document," Martin's request said.

"With due respect, public officials are not free to manipulate records under their control, playing cat-and-mouse with the public by discussing the document while saying 'I can see it but you can't.' Such behavior constituted a waiver under Hawaii law," he wrote.

He explained to the appeals court that Hawaiian law already recognizes the principle of waiver in civil matters.

A 1963 precedent said, "It would seem that the more satisfactory ground on which to support the doctrine of waiver is that it is a rule of judicial policy, the legal outgrowth of judicial abhorrence, so to speak, of a person's taking inconsistent positions and gaining advantages thereby through the aid of courts. …"

"Dr. Fukino should not be allowed to play 'now you see it, now you don't,' with the public. Her discussion and her direct personal efforts to seek worldwide publicity for her manipulation of the historical record constituted a waiver of secrecy in the mind of any fair-minded and impartial observer," Martin said.

He also cited the state's rule specifying a list of people who "shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record," such as a birth certificate.

That, he said, "merely provides a list of persons who ipso facto are entitled to have a direct interest; by no reasonable reading can this language support the [attorney general's] argument in the trial court that the list following the preamble is exclusive instead of exemplary."

Further, he said as the author of a book about Obama, he is among the "bona fide members of the media and authors" who are given "a qualified constitutional and common law right to access vital public records."

"To claim that Appellant lacks 'standing' to conduct historical research about the president of the United States in Hawaii archives demeans this state and makes the state and its government officials look petty and provincial," he warned.

"Here, Plaintiff seeks access to the original typewritten 1961 COLB for what are facially 'legitimate and proper purposes,'" he said, and state law already "establishes an unequivocal common law right to copy public records."

"Barack Obama is president of the United States. His records while living in Hawaii are the now records of American history (as they were on November 19, 2008 when the 'hearing' in this case was conducted). To claim that Hawaii wants to protect the 'privacy' of presidential records is an obviously absurd position that brings the judicial system into disrepute," he said. "Secrecy laws were intended to protect the privacy of private citizens, not presidents."

John Eidsmoe, an expert on the U.S. Constitution now working with the Foundation on Moral Law, told WND earlier a demand for verification of Obama's eligibility appears to be legitimate.

Eidsmoe said it's clear that Obama has something in the documentation of his history, including his birth certificate, college records and other documents that "he does not want the public to know."

WND reported just days ago how a new campaign launched by WND Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah to put up billboard's asking "Where's The Birth Certificate?" is collecting attention from other media outlets.

The London Times found it an interesting business story, reporting, "A right-wing website has collected more than $10,000 so far to help to fund a series of billboards to be erected around America questioning Barack Obama's credentials for holding office. 'Where's The Birth Certificate?' the posters will demand."

Word of the effort also appeared on the Examiner.com website.

Birth certificate question being raised in Ball, La.

Join those hundreds of thousands of people who want to know the truth as well as those raising the question publicly on billboards.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Further, others question his citizenship by virtue of his attendance in Indonesian schools during his childhood and question on what passport did he travel to Pakistan three decades ago.

Adding fuel to the fire is Obama's persistent refusal to release documents that could provide answers and the hiring of myriad lawyers to defend against all requests for his documentation. While his supporters cite an online version of a "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii as his birth verification, critics point out such documents actually were issued for children not born in the state.

Get the new Whistleblower magazine, called "YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE? Why dozens of lawsuits and millions of Americans want Barack Obama to prove he's constitutionally qualified to be president."

The ultimate questions remain unaddressed to date: Is Obama a natural born citizen, and, if so, why hasn't documentation been provided? And, of course, if he is not, what does it mean to the 2008 election or the U.S. Constitution if it is revealed that there has been a violation?

And the answer could take only minutes: authorization from the president to Hawaiian officials to release his documentation.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs laughed at a question about the original birth certificate, citing the unsubstantiated online posting as proof of a Hawaiian birth.

But here is a partial listing of some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:

* New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.

* Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama which is under seal at the U.S. District Court level and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, (now dismissed) brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama.

* Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.

* Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.

* Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.

* Chicago lawyer Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.

* Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.

* In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.

* Also in Ohio, there was the Greenberg v. Brunner case which ended when the judge threatened to assess all case costs against the plaintiff.

* In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.

* In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.

* California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters. She also has brought forward several other cases and has conducted several public campaigns to generate awareness of the issue.

In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:

* In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.

* In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.

* In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.

* In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.

* In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.

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  1. I guess we should be thankful Obama has spent money hiring lawyers to conceal his past for him...is that not saving or creating jobs for lawyers who would otherwise have to find employment lying for someone else? How simple is it to just give a simple answer to the American public? You have to produce a birth certificate to serve in the American military so why is it that you do not have to produce one to serve as The Commander in Chief?

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  2. I believe we have a President who is NOT a natural born citizen. This is a disgrace to our country, our forefathers and all the people who have fought and died for this country. How can people be so calm about this? How can people not be mad about this? Most of all how can those who have the power to do something about this refuse to help? I think that if our President is not a natural born citizen (which has to be the case by his action because his actions show he is guilty) then He as well as all the others who have allowed this disgrace to continue should be prosecuted right along with him.

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  3. bhoidas Idea Submitter

    Subject: Colombo's New Assignment

    Ah . . Sorry to bother you Sir ..............

    cid:E0EBF1ACD6224902828614382F573227@obiwan

    Excuse me Mr. Obama, I mean President Obama, Sir. Um ... I know you're busy and important and stuff. I mean running the county is very important and -- ah -- I hate to bother you Sir. I will only take a minute. Ok Sir?

    See, I have these missing pieces that are holding me up, and I was wondering Sir, if you could take time out of your busy schedule and help me out. You know no big deal, just some loose ends and things. Hey, you have a nice place here! The wife sees houses like this on TV all the time and says boy she wishes she had digs like this you know? Is that painting real? Really? Wow. I saw something like that in a museum once! Oh, sorry Sir. I didn't mean to get off the track. So if you could just help me out a minute and give me some details, I will get right out of your way. I want to close this case and maybe take the wife to Coney Island or something. Ever been to Coney Island Sir? No? I didn't think so...

    Well, listen, anyway, I can't seem to get some information I need to wrap this up. These things seem to either be "Not released" or "Not available." I'm sure it's just an oversight or glitch or something, so if you could you tell me where these things are -- I -- I have them written down here somewhere -- oh wait. Sorry about the smears. It was raining out. I'll just read it to you.

    Could you please help me find these things Sir:

    1. Occidental College records -- Not released

    2. Columbia College records -- Not released

    3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available"

    4. Harvard College records -- Not released

    5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released

    6. Medical records -- Not released

    7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available

    8. Your Illinois State Senate records -- Not available

    9. Law practice client list -- Not released

    10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released

    11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released

    12. Record of your baptism -- Not available

    Oh and one more thing, Sir, I can't seem to find any articles you published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the University of Chicago. Can you explain that to me, Sir?

    Oh but, hey -- listen! I know you're busy! If this is too much for you right now -- I mean -- tell you what. I'll come back tomorrow. Give you some time to get these things together, y' know? I mean, I know you're busy. I'll just let myself out. I'll be back tomorrow. And the day after. .. .

    What's that Mr. President? Who wants to know these things? We the People of the United States of America! You know the ones that vote.

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  4. Fellow citizens, ask your congressman and Senators to ask Mr. Obama for permission to view the birth documents on file in Hawaii (along with an independent documents expert). If there is a legitimate birth document on file there, then Mr. Obama should be happy to provide the necessary permission (in order to settle the matter once and for all). If Mr. Obama does not permit such an inspection, it is because he is a FRAUD.

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  5. Mr. Obama: You're Application for a Postion as President of U.S. is Incomplete

    doctor2 a few seconds ago Revise Flag

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    1To Mr. Obama: Before we can offer you the job of President of the USA, we, like many employers, must see an offical copy of your high school & college transcripts and other academic records. This would include transcripts from all colleges & schools attended by you. In order to be certain of your citizenship status we need to see your passport, green card or birth certificate. This must be an offical long form version of your birth certificate which would have been filed by the health department shortly after your birth. I want to see Mr. Obama's long form birth certificate and his accadmeic records from elementary school attended outside of the US in Indonesia and Occidental College & Columbia Univestiy as well and also his passport. His college transcripts should be submitted, as we the people, are his employer and employers often ask for these items. Proof of citizenship, proof of academic completion. If he fails to produce these documents we could charge him with lying on his application for the job as President. By the Way, the certificate version stamped form 2007 which was submitted online and posted on the stop the smears website is unacceptable. I cannot accept this version from any client I work with in social services and I cannot accpet this version from anyone who wants to apply for the highest office in the USA. You will have a deadline by which these documants must be submitted and authenticated before WE the People can accept. That deadline is 30 days from this date (6/2/09). Failure to produce these documents will drastically impede your ability to run for elected office in the USA again. Thank you and God bless.

    Why Is This Idea Important?

    Why Is This Idea Important? As stated above, failure to produce these documents will indicate Mr. Obama's ineligiblity for the job of President of the USA and will drastically affect his ability to run for any elected office in the future in the future.

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  6. In the words of O'Reilly: "Is that all you got?" Please go watch TV or something; the Internet has already filled its quota of stupid.

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  7. WAKE UP AMERICA!! THIS FRAUD IS DESTROYING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! EVEN THE RUSSIANS ARE LAUGHING AT US (and not to mention the Chinese at Timmy)!!! WAKE UP!!

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  8. Could someone tell be why it is important that the president be born in America? Oh, I know all about the constitution, but why is that part of the constitution there? If the American people believe he represents their interest, a president should be allowed to enter office, it is as simple as that. I believe in Democracy enough that I don't feel extra restrictions are needed to "protect people from foreign candidates"; if they are representing a foreign interest, we can simply chose not to elect them. If it were up to me, we would remove the part of the constitution that demands that the president be born in America... the constitution must be up for debate; it is what our founding fathers, knowing their human flaws, desired when they wrote it.

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  9. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    Obama was born in the Hawaii to a mother who was an American citizen. He's 47 years old. He's resided in Chicago for more than 14 years. He was duly elected by the Electoral College with the support of the public. He was sworn in by the Chief Justice.

    By all rights, this man is the president, so please focus on issues of substance. Even if you somehow prove that his birth certificate is wrong, the only result will be that Joe Biden will be the president.

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  10. boguse, the Constitution doesn't require that the president be born in the U.S. It requires that he be a "natural born Citizen". One born abroad can still be a natural born citizen by right of blood.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

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  11. Want to see the surplus money the US government and all states, local governments have? http://CAFR1.com and http://TaxRetirement.com

    and support Campaign for Liberty

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  12. This post is popular but not nearly as popular as the posts asking for Obama to make his birth certificate, college record, health records and the like available.

    Count Birth Certificate comments here and you will get over 7,000 But, this site has been rigged so that the posts asking for Obama to support transparency by providing his own birth certificate, health records and college records are not properly counted, even when they do not get deleted. All of the multiple posts would not need to exist if the honest reporting of this site showed the number one request here is for Obama to release his records.

    I have done a personal count of more than 1,000 requests for his birth certificate. My analysis suggests there have been at least 7,000 request for Obama to produce his real birth certificate, college records, health records and other financial records.

    It is possible to review this site to find the most requested ideas by scanning "Top Rated" posts, but the requests for Obama's records do not show up as being top rated. Those runnig this site are cooking the results. If the results were honest people would be able to continue to vote on a single post asking for transparency of Obama's records.

    According to the liars running this website the most requested item has NOT been Obama's birth certificate.

    (My email is ricardomigrant@aol.com - inlcude your email address if you want me to reply to you)

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  13. Just read this online and it encapsulates what I think is reasonable for US taxpayers to ask Mr Obama for.

    Sadly the longer he doesn't the more inclined people are to think a fraud has taken place.

    more importantly should there actually be a fraud then the longer it goes on the more likely that a jail sentence is called for for all involved or have knowledge of it to make amends to the American people.

    MIkeNZ

    It's pretty incredible that we have a president who gets away with talking about "transparency and openness" when he himself refuses to disclose the most basic personal data – including the only documentation that would establish whether he is constitutionally eligible to serve in the highest office in the land.

    We need to see his birth certificate.

    We need to see his student records, including those that would show whether he was registered as a foreigner at Occidental or Columbia and who paid his tuition.

    We need to see his passport records during the time he was living in Indonesia and traveling to Pakistan as a youth. Did he give up his U.S. citizenship? If not, how did he retain it? Or did he not have U.S. citizenship to begin with because he was never actually born in Hawaii?

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  14. Robert Gibbs was merely implementing Alinsky's Rules for Radicals -"Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage." His smug laughter and complete dismissal of Les Consolving's question infuriated many of us and we responded; Maybe we all went overboard here with our commenting but we're just implementing our "Right Wing terrorist" rules-

    Rule 1 "The squeaky wheel gets the grease". Maybe if enough of us make some noise, someone will finally notice.

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  15. bhoidas Idea Submitter

    This is NOT meant to be a racist message. However it is important that Americans realize the agenda that is really going on.

    Respectfully,

    Bill

    Government won’t save us but God may use it to bless of punish a nation. Barack Obama’s followers and the main stream media give him a nearly messianic allegiance and defense. Nearly everything about his presidency derives from a religious worldview ( Black Liberation Theology ) and commitment to carry it out in the world. While Obama says US cannot impose its values: BBC interview he now has the power to force his views on the citizens of the United States against their will and to their detriment. Currently the Congress and main stream media support him in his mission and implementation of his wonderful plan for your life, to remake America into a Socialist State.

    Obama’s beliefs are what one of MCOI’s Advisory Board members, Dr. Jerry Buckner calls, “The Cult of Black Liberation Theology.” Talk show host, Glen Beck (Mormon) did one of the better jobs in the national media of a thumb nail expose of Barack Obama’s Black Liberation Theology. In it Beck quotes from one of the key leaders which Trinity’s pastor, Jeremiah Wright, states he gets his views from, James Cone. Cone writes in his book Black Power and Black Theology:

    Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the Black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then He is a murderer and we had better kill Him. The task of Black Theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the Black community…

    It is interesting that Obama has found so much support from Pastor Rick Warren (opened the DNC convention in prayer), Donald Miller (he opened one of the DNC session with prayer) Brian McLaren (headed up a large group of the rising Evangelical Left). I wonder if they noticed they are the wrong color. Cone continues:

    Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of Black People to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity we must reject His love.

    Ken Blackwell of the Family Research Council states:

    It is an alternative doctrine of the church that embraces big government. It advances a collectivist idea and it says the state not the individual is central to society and that is very disquieting but it also gives you a better understanding of the undergirding of Senator Obama’s big government liberal philosophy that would increase spending, would increase taxes, weaken our military and out position in the world.

    Ken Blackwell explained this prior to the election but very few listened.

    As we sat and watched the nationalization of some of the major banks, the dismantling of U.S. auto manufacturers and many wondered why. Did he not understand what he was doing they answer is, he did and does. His worldview, which directs his plan for our lives us as citizens and the nation as a whole is to eliminate individualism and make the collectivist “state central to society.” As much as Obama is overtly denying what he is doing the consequences of his actions are clear for all to see. Even the Russian news agency, Pravda, is shocked that American Capitalism Gone with a Wimper. They even recognized the role of the church in assisting in this process, something we have been pointing out for several years:

    Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different “branches and denominations” were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the “winning” side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the “winning” side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America

    I think their prediction on where this is all heading is right on target:

    The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America’s short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

    The moves to eliminate freedom of speech for radio, television and Evangelicals are in the works. Barack has been successful as most false teachers are, at creating and maintaining a sense of urgency in his followers to implement his worldview and wonderful plan for your life. This will very much change how the church carries out its mission for America, for the first time, will be controlled by a New Religious Movement. Apologetics will become essential to pre-evangelism and challenging the worldview which is being embraced by so many. Is your church ready or will they embrace Barack’s love and wonderful plan for their lives as well?

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  16. a foreign person has to show his birth certificate, to do something, that an american has to do. or only an american can do. spend 800 million, foreign. get birth certificate spend 10 dollars, american.

    out of that, whats happenned. only an american can be president, he has to show his birth certificate, and he spends 800 million to not show it. you ahven't seen it.

    kenyan. im american don't have to talk to no foreign.

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  17. -1 Redundant

    -1 Too darn long

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