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Could it be that Obama is the illegitimate child of another man, not Obama Sr? Is this another Clinton style dodge? He thinks he doesn't have to be honest with the American people because it is about sex? If Obama wants to stop all the questions and clear the air, all he has to do is release the birth certificate. I guess it all depends on "what is is."
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If it were revealed that Obama's mother was a tramp, the "Impressive Obama Story" would lose it's luster.
Obama's birth certificate isn't federal government data. Could you please not abuse the forum?
Who said it is federal gopvernmenmt data, and what does that have to do with the question? I would like to know if the man is an American cisitzen, or was he born in Kenya. Running from the issue seems to indicate he has something to hide. I am an American citizen who wants to know it the man in office is legally qualified to be there. Tell me how asking a very rlevent question is abusing the forum. Rather the forum seems to abusing the spirt of its purported purpose. Or are saying that Open Government is limited to the scope of documents, and not matters of law pertaining to our self-govenance? Is it a Republic, or not? I believe that under Obama, it is more of a Socialist Dictatorship. One party rule, with a Marxist at the head of State.
I really think it's highly possible that Liberace was Obama's real father.
Obama's Certification of Live Birth, available on many websites, lists his father, as well as his birthplace and birth date. It's an official State of Hawaii document.
And if you don't believe the CoLB, why would you believe the long-form BC?
From August 23, 2008:
"A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there."
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
Will WND ever get their story straight? 7;-]
"You are intellectually dishonest. Obama has not produced COLB to any controlling legal authority or independent document examiner to determine its validity. All his has shown to anyone outside his campaign and his Annenberg Foundation (which Obama chaired) controlled FactCheck website is a digital image of an alleged document. Do you really believe that a digital image is all that is necessary to prove one's constitutional eligibility for any federal office in the land? Have you ever heard of PhotoShop and what can be done with a digital image and computer generated forms using digital laser printers? We the People want to see and have experts examine the underlying printed paper document used to make that image AND we also want to see the yet unseen long-form, original birth certificate still in the vaults in HI to see the name of the attending doctor and hospital where he was born and other contemporaneous non-family witnesses to the birth, if there are any!"
Will Obama continue to hide his past?
Here are 2 pictures from factcheck.org of the document they produced. You will notice the numbers at the top of the two documents match but one does not have the seal! They are forgeries!
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
No Seal
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
Seal
Did you read my latest post. WND, your beloved source of all Truth, examined the document (or the images, it's not clear) and found no trace of a forgery.
"Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state's registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, say they checked health department records and have determined there's no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii." http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/judicial/supremecourtopinions/2008-12-15-obama-scotus_N.htm
"Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
'Yes,' said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. 'That's what Dr. Fukino is saying.'"
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html
And what need is there to see the long-form BC? If you won't believe the information that's on the official extract, if he did show the long-form BC you'd still be screaming "Forgery! Conspiracy!"
As for the two pictures and the raised seal, do you see how hard it is to see the lower part of the seal in good light? Do you see what a difference the angle of the light makes? Now, do you see the shadow across the area where the seal is in the other image? That's why you can't see the seal in that image, that and the lower resolution of the image, as compared to the other (both were taken at the same resolution, but scaled down to different resolutions before being posted on the web). It's hard enough to see those seals when you're holding the document in your hand.
Now you presume, and in doing so, make an ass of yourself, as the old saw goes. WND is not the end all of truth to me, but they are certainly doing a fine job of keeping the legetimate issue of Obama's birth certificate in public view. In the mean time, you reference USA Today (LOL), who merely sites the Supreme Court's refusal to hear the case, not whether the digital copy of the certificate offered by the OCS is valid or not.
While you, this blog and Obama himself seek to obfuscate the issue, America still asks, "Where is the birth certificate, and what are you working so hard to hide? Is it that you were born in Kenya, as seems very likely? Or is your father someone other than Obama Sr.? Is it some darker secrete we have not yet imagined... well, which is it Mr. Obama. The world is waiting."
Oh, BS. WND is a partisan rag, which accidentally lets the truth slip out every once in a while. They stated last August that the CoLB was legitimate. Have you seen anyone representing the State of Hawaii say different? Is there some massive conspiracy to keep this information hidden? Or is the whole issue just another political scam, to keep the faithful stirred up?
As for USAToday, you obviously did not read the entire article or you would have seen the part I quoted: "Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state's registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, say they checked health department records and have determined there's no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.".
You've got an official birth certificate, issued by the State of Hawaii. This whole 'controversy' is a strawman.
Now, either come up with some real facts, instead of this troll bait, or quit wasting our time.
BTW, the "old saw" is based on "assume", not "presume". Get it? "Make an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'".
You are still having a conversation with yourself, since all that I have claimed about WND is they have done a fine job of keeping a very legitimate issue in public view... and they have.
I trust the bureaucrats in Hawaii as much as I do Obama. Which is, not at all. The only conspiracy is the one on the part Obama who would rather fight as if his life depended on it, to prevent any forensic experts from having a look at his birth certificate.
I've stated my opinion and you have yours, which is fine with me. I would say however, that the one exhibiting troll behavior is the one who wants to quash the debate. That would be you.
The only unanswered questions remain as always… Where is the birth certificate? What plausible reason could Obama have for keeping it under wraps? Is it a forgery? Obama is looking a lot like a guilty man refusing a lie detector test.
As to any waste of your time, that would be a voluntary act on your part. I asked a question, and I have every right to do that. You can't accept that fact and waste your own time in your effort to silence the question.
As for me, it is not a waste of time because every reply from another person of whom the question has not been asked, and whom could not answer the question if they were asked, only demands a response, which keeps the question alive. That of course, is exactly what we seek, until we get a little "Transparency" as proposed by Obama himself.
I'm sorry you have become so emotionally invested in shutting off the debate, but unless your name is Obama, I doubt you can produce the birth certificate, nor can you say why Obama himself does not.
Actually, WND lies a lot to keep the issue in public view.
WND, back in August, had forensic experts look at the Certification of Live Birth that Obama and factcheck posted, and they couldn't find anything wrong with it. So your unanswered questions have been answered. The birth certificate (short form) can be viewed at factcheck.org. The long-form is in the archives of the Hawaii Department of health. Since the short-form contains all the relevant information, there's no reason for anyone to violate Hawaiian law and examine the long-form.
Now, you mentioned intellectual honesty earlier. Try displaying some now. What reason is there for this to go any further? What 'debate' is there to quash when all the facts are on one side?
And, if you don't trust the bureaucrats in Hawaii, why would anyone believe that you would trust the results of any examination of the long-form BC?
Note: you are the one with an opinion that is not supported by the facts. My opinion doesn't matter, the facts say your opinion is wrong.
The important thing is that the debate is not a closed issue in the minds of many Americans, and WND has kept the issue in the forefront, as revealed by this website.
You can't have it both ways. Either WND "lies", and therefor they, and their experts are not reliable, or they do not lie and are trustworthy in their campaign calling for public disclosure of the birth certificate. Either way, I have not attested to the veracity of WND or their claims, only that the tempest surrounding their activity has prevented Obama from sweeping his secret past under the rug.
The only fact that is clear, is that unless Obama is hiding something, there is no reason to continue hiding behind an obscure Hawian law. Obama is occupying the office of the president of the United States of America, and should, if he were and honest man, simply put his birth certificate on display.
At best, I would not consider WND or their "experts" to be authoritive or independent. I am a little amused that you continue this deabte with yourself about WND. Apparently you are trying to convince yourself they are not a reliable source since you are the only one implying that such a notion needs to be refuted.
All that is needed for the question to deserve asking is for any citizen to feel there has been deception. That would be me. Judging by this website, I am far from alone. Now in your mind, I'm sure your opinion bears more weight than mine, but it does not. Sorry Charlie. Let a little air out and give yourself a break.
The mere fact that Obama is inexplicably spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to block examination of the birth certificate raises enough doubt that he should just hand it over. All would be settled. Unless of course it is a forged document. Which you still can't answer, and which still presents an odity that you continue trying so hard to do so.
Now, WND, factcheck.org, USA Today, etc. LOL ...You might want to get some counseling on the veracity of things you pick up on the internet. It is a great forum for exchange of ideas, and conduit to information, but is a poor substitute for paper, fiber, and ink, when it comes to authentication. No thank you to the digital Internet copies you cite as proof, or alternatly place so much energy into disproving. LOL ...Go to bed Jr. High School starts early. :)
OK, so your "intellectual honesty" is a figment of your imagination, just like this entire issue is born out of the fevered imaginations of fanatics.
Obama asked for a copy of his birth certificate, Hawaii issued him what they issue everybody who asks for a copy of their birth certificate, he displayed it on the internet, just so everyone could see it. What he displayed contains all of the information necessary to prove citizenship. Case closed.
And WND and this "issue" is roughly the equivalent of the National Enquirer and "aliens". They, and those pushing the frivolous lawsuits, are the ones perpetrating the deception.
Please stop trolling. You clearly have no knowledge of legal matters. You also apparently suffer a deficit of logical thinking. …In any event, you also are not the czar of "Case Closed". :)
A large body of American citizens disagrees with you. You are incapable of wishing the issue away as it is now reverberating around the world: "Where is the birth certificate?"
Some interesting reading here: http://americangrandjury.org
By the way, my sincere thanks to Obama, and all of his supporters here who, in their objection to the question, have made the "Where is the birth certificate" campaign a smashing success. God Bless America!
A large body of American citizens also believes the Earth is flat, the universe was created 6,000 years ago, the theory of evolution is just a "guess", the CIA killed Kennedy, the moon landings were faked and the U.S. government was behind both the OKC bombing and 9/11. Belief doesn't make truth.
However, you're demonstrably both ignorant and gullible. Especially if you buy into that "American Grand Jury" crap. Belong to the Republic of Texas, or some tax protester group?
No wonder Michael Medved thinks birthers are "crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters" who are "the worst enemy of the conservative movement" and "make us look sick, troubled and not suitable for civilized company."
Why don't you present some facts, rather than the wishful thinking that's all you've been able to come up with so far? Oh, wait, you don't believe in facts. Just what "a large body of American citizens" believes. So you can't even think for yourself.
Quite a rant there twitchy. Didn't they tell you? Trolls aren't supposed become emotionaly invested in their work. It causes you to sound frustrated and desperate. LOL
Have a nice evening Jr. You can rant all night if you want to.. There's no school tomorrow right? :)
But, I afraid when you wake up, there will still be that question that just won't go away... "Where is the birth certificate Mr. Obama? Why are you compelled to hide it from public scrutiny?"
More info for you. I think you're featured in this one. The one with the scarf right? LOL
So you still don't have any facts, any arguments, or any sources, except YouTube. Must suck to be you.
No, what makes me frustrated and 'desperate' is seeing the level of ignorance and stupidity that passes for education in this country. You can write coherently, which puts you way above most birthers, but you don't seem to able to think for yourself.
And, as mentioned many times before, he's shown an official birth certificate. Nobody's demonstrated any need for anything more. But that won't stop the whining.
being ameriacn is whats needed. your facts would be needed a birth certificate would be needed, you called me saying that i was making a topic on hate. well i aske dyou to prove that im not liking non-americans, but no. nothing from you. and your running your mouth. everything youve posted ive spammed. please whoever made this. ive got rid of this guys stuff. don' tlisten, and probably won't have much of mine. i don't care twitch. about you.
obelus,
Now, ldrancer, there's a fine example of your typical birther. Enjoy the company!
twitchy there a perfect example of a commie enjoy the company.!!!!!! hey move to russia i heard its communist. hey that sounds good.
this topic is dumb who cares. smoke and mirrors. the only issue is the birth certificate.
Which has already been posted.
BTW, you heard wrong. Russia is a capitalist state now. But I wouldn't expect you to know that.
kenyan.
You seem to have this odd idea, popular among nutcases, that constantly repeating a lie will make it true.
repeat to yourself no he was born in hawaii 100 times a day and one day you'll wake up and jump from a bridge.
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As repeated innumerable times daily across the Republic... where is the birth certificate Mr. Obama?
"Under the law, failure to respond is an admission of guilt."
OMG, you're a New World Order fruitcake!
I'd be LMAO, but you actually seem to be serious.
How many tinfoil hats do you own?
As for "Under the law, failure to respond is an admission of guilt", you really should read up on that before posting something, that appertains to specific circumstances, as a general rule, misstated to mean something different.
saying your not a foreign person when you are, is repeating lies.
Well, yes, but claiming that someone is a foreigner, when they're not, is also repeating lies.
One is no better than the other.
So, if you don't want to be repeating lies, you ought to try to find out the truth, rather than just repeating lies.
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