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   tilapia2006

   What happened to all the comments? I have them all backed up and referenced to each comment author - should I post the archived comments?

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   jsl55

   This topic shows what makes this country great. Felkakarp has the right to show his stupidity under the First Amendment of our Constitution.

   Now if only the gutless wonders that are supposed to represent us would demand enforcement of Section 1, Article 2 and the 12th Amendment, this Obama issue would be quickly settled.

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   tilapia2006

   Well, since the original comments disappeared for some reason, here they are again as archived in the order posted, for posterity--

   tilapia2006 - 1 day ago

   Hmmm ... let me see ... you can't provide a single rational, logical or cogent counter argument to the Obama birth certificate cover-up, so you post sardonic nonsense in an attempt to distract from the issue. "Hey you! Don't look at the man behind the curtain! Look over here!"

   mrbuzzsaw - 1 day ago

   it is known as the 180 Degree argument cant win the argument so you turn it 180 degrees hoping to  needle people into giving up in frustration.

   felkakarp - 1 day ago

   Have you ever even seen a Certificate of Live Birth for any other president, let alone a Birth Certificate? But go ahead, if you don't like the message, blame the messenger.

   tilapia2006 - 1 day ago

   felkakarp: Have we ever had another president of such secretive, dubious and suspicious background and birthplace? Even McCain's citizenship eligibility was brought before hearing and confirmed. Are you suggesting we apply different rules for Obama?

   Oh, and nice pace at trying to distract and divert from the real issue. I take it you've read Alinsky's book?

   sheplazguitar - 1 day ago

   all this bull still says one thing...obama is ilegal and paying lots of money to hide it ... black or white ... you are screwed if nothing is done. and he IS the President...If Demo's are just now whinning about Bushe's BC...why the heck didnt they do it in the last 8 yrs he was in office?? DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

   sheplazguitar - 1 day ago

   How many presidents have paid to hide their Birth Certificate's ???.....How many times have American's  asked other President's to prove it???? If you had questions before you should have asked then....dont wait till the sore has healed over to cry....Hundreds and thousands want to know NOW....their common sence tells them danger is in the air...If you are lacking the sence to know the difference...than shut up..live the present and get out of the past.

   felkakarp - 1 day ago

   "If Demo's are just now whinning about Bushe's BC...why the heck didnt they do it in the last 8 yrs he was in office?"

   That just shows how well he covered his tracks.

   "How many presidents have paid to hide their Birth Certificate's?"

   George Bush did. Read my post again.

   herself333 - 1 day ago

   We didn't need Bush's birth certificate...Obama has a shady past and what made it more shady was he did NOT post his original long form birth certificate.  When anyone works for the federal government, they must show their long form original birth certificate.  Obama has not done that.

   herself333 - 1 day ago

   If Obama has nothing to hide, why won't he show the long form birth certificate?  It's simple. There is no defense when hiding that.

   felkakarp - 1 day ago

   sheplazguitar

   "black or white"?

   That doesn't have anything to do with it, does it?

   Na-a-a-ah!!!

   sheplazguitar - 1 day ago

   Why didn't all the leftie demo's stand up and demand to see Bush's BC while he was in office??? why are you waiting untill now to say something...I never saw one bilboard asking for Bush's BC....I did not see a well respected Republican Attorney fighting for truth and demanding to see it....I did not see floods and floods or internet news on it...Nor dozens of states filling lawsuits...nor HAVE I EVER SEEN BUSH WEARING MUSLIM GARB AND HANGING OUT WITH TERRORIST !

   zapolindo - 1 day ago

   I think Bush should be asked to produce his birth certificate. He would comply. He's got nothing to hide there.

   felkakarp - 1 day ago

   So that's a thumbs up then, YAY!!

   ipsler.gonkler - 23 hours ago

   $400,000?  That's about 12 Obama "dates" on the town.  Give me a break.  President Obama has spent over $1 million in legal fees to suppress access to his documents.  Dear President, I'll show you my long form birth certificate and college records if you show me yours.

   felkakarp - 22 hours ago

   How do I know your birth certificate isn't forged?

   tilapia2006 - 21 hours ago

   What does whether it's forged or not have to do with the issue?

   felkakarp - 20 hours ago

   Does it matter whether President Obama's Certificate of Live Birth is forged or not? Actually No because you all say it is anyway, without any factual basis whatsoever to back it up, just like if you saw his birth certificate you'd say he faked that too without any factual basis whatsoever to back it up, and just like there's no factual basis for saying that Obama has spent millions to make sure the long form birth certificate, passport records, and school records are hidden from the public. Give me just one link that shows a factual basis for any of these tinfoil hat claims.

   tilapia2006 - 19 hours ago

   You're either ignorant of our claims and arguments, or once again practicing the art of intentionally distracting from the issue. I have not claimed the COLB is forged. It is 100% authentic. But it is NOT the original long form birth certificate, no more so than a hand-written Bill of Sale is the same as a vehicle Title. It is merely a document that one could obtain as proof the baby was born alive and the information for that form is accepted de facto from the parent requesting the form. It has no attending physician or hospital information, and is not even accepted in Hawaii as a legitimate birth certificate. It's authentic all right - but not an authentic long form birth certificate, only an authentic "short form" certification of live birth. Stop dodging the issue and address why Obama does not want his original long form birth certificate revealed.

   felkakarp - 19 hours ago

   I did address it. You weren't paying attention.

   tilapia2006 - 18 hours ago

   No you didn't, and you know you didn't. And you still won't. Watch, even as you read this, you will be afraid to address it and will just respond with more distraction from the issue and maybe a few good non sequiturs (your entire house of cards) thrown in.

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   misvoted

   Obama is NOT eligible regardless...

   here is why;

   http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4979-4049

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   sheplazguitar

   would obama's birth certificate be an issue if he allowed prayer back into the white house instead of saying no prayer is welcome here,went to other countries praising his Country instead of putting us down, willing to see those a part of 9/11 punished and see that the law suits of the remaining families are settled instead of helping the terrorist by getting them off the hook, bowing to terrorist, wanting to let terrorist loose on our land by closing Gb prision for terrorist, breaking promises made to israel , making abortion his first priority in the white house less than two days...do you know how many more important issues were at hand? instead of using it to decrease the population by killing he should have been using his head instead of his greed. He told other countries we were no longer a christian nation...that's not a fact but only his plan...Bush made some mistakes yes, but it didnt start with him it started back in the Carter demo days ......and things Bush did was FOR THE PEOPLE...he kept your butt safe long enough to sit here and whine about his birth certficate after the fact....."If" by chance he was illegal,then at least his heart was American..You cant say either about obama.

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   noway2no

   He works for us and we demand it, it really is that simple. I for one would never have thought that a poser of this magnitude would come along. since that is the case though I say investigate every president's eligibility requirements starting with George Washington and any future candidates. It is the least we can do to ensure it never does happen.

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   felkakarp Idea Submitter

   They won't listen, even though it says "this copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceding" Except their little kangaroo court of course. Have they presented greater evidence, or even equal evidence, or even any evidence that he was born somewhere else? NO! Does evidence really matter to them. HELL NO!

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   tilapia2006

   felkakarp:

   You stated, "They won't listen, even though it says "this copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceding" Except their little kangaroo court of course. Have they presented greater evidence, or even equal evidence, or even any evidence that he was born somewhere else? NO! Does evidence really matter to them. HELL NO!"

   Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? The certification of live birth posted on the internet does not equal the long form birth certificate. You even stated it yourself - it's prima facie evidence of THE FACT OF BIRTH. That's it. It is not evidence of birthPLACE, HOSPITAL, ATTENDING PHYSICIAN, etc. It is simply accepted as evidence that there was in fact a live birth, with basic unverified information received de facto from the parent requesting the certification of live birth. It basically states nothing more than, Yes, this child was born alive. Hospital? Doesn't say. Attending physician? Doesn't say. Any person with a shred of acumen knows that document is essentially worthless. It's like trying to say a hand written Bill of Sale is the same as the Official Title of a vehicle. Seriously, use you brain.

   Secondly, we don't have to present ANY evidence whatsoever. We're not the ones with a shady past claiming to be an American citizen, and then refusing to prove it. The burden of proof lies squarely on Obama. And the onus is on YOU. You claim he's a NBC - we say, prove it.

   You're being ignorant okay. Literally, you're making an argument from ignorance. You're asking me (and other "birthers") to prove a negative which is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that the premise is true only because it has not been proven false. Your entire argument is illogical and foolish. The onus is upon Obama (and by extension his "Hawaii birth" supporters) to prove that he WAS born in Hawaii.

   I'm not claiming that he was or wasn't born in Hawaii, therefore the onus is NOT on me, I'm only demanding that the assertion that he WAS, is proved by simply releasing the original long form birth certificate.

   Your whole house of cards argument is built on a foundation of logical fallacy, whereas mine is simply asking for proof of the assertion.

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   gypsy_sage

   Bush/cheney werent raised out of the country by muslims .....So what I am saying.....is you do not have common sense.....

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    moosedapoop

    I just want to thank this liberal poster for showing the world EXACTLY what the "DUMBNESS" of a true liberal looks and sounds like.

    Please note, those legal fees are racking up to this day, and are because Bush is still having to fend off sore losing liberals who continue to THIS DAY, to argue that Bush was installed by the courts into the presidency in 2000. This simply shows us more stupidity of liberals. Can you imagine Al Gore after 911? At best he might have filed an international lawsuit against the terrorists for polluting the air around the polar bears at the New York zoo.

    Isn't it ironic, when HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF liberals sound off on one of their pervert ideas, like being able to sue Christians for telling the truth about homosexuality, it's a VERY REAL and IMPORTANT ISSUE to them that they want addressed on this site.

    But when HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CONCERNED CITIZENS OF AMERICA SOUND OFF wanting to know why their president has a suspicious background and now is doubly suspiciously mingling with his muslim RELATIVES who openly call for the death of EVERY American, then "THAT ISSUE" is all nonsense?

    YUP, you sure are smart people. Such devoted Americans, how on earth could anyone question your patriotism? After your messiah sells us out "more then he already has" and when the Muslims who have already built their empire on OUR LAND come knocking at your door to have you bend over to a dead god called allah, it will be every person questioning his legitimacy (that starts with his fake birth certificate) on this website that saves your sorry collective rear ends.

    Please, start having as much enthusiasm for this truth, as you do for the lies of your abominable agendas!

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    felkakarp Idea Submitter

    "we don't have to present ANY evidence whatsoever."

    kinda says it all doesn't it?

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    tilapia2006

    So felkakarp, are you suggesting (with your out-of-context quotation) that one who makes no claim (such as myself), is required to provide evidence for a non-existent claim? Do you realize how utterly stupid that is? That's more ignorant than the logical fallacy of trying to prove a negative - it's demanding one prove a non-existent! HAHAHA!

    You can't possibly be serious. Either that, or you're some preteen that I've been duped into arguing with. I mean come on!

    Let me explain this again ... as plainly and slowly as I can. I am NOT claiming that Obama WAS or WASN'T born in Hawaii. Therefore, because I am NOT making a claim either way, there is NO burden of proof on me to provide evidence. However, YOU are making a positive claim that Obama WAS born in Hawaii. Since YOU are making a positive claim, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove it and provide evidence. Yet, you REFUSE to provide any evidence and just keep dodging the issue and making fun of those who disagree with you (real mature).

    So you see, YOU are making a claim that YOU refuse to back up with evidence, whereas I am merely asking for proof of the assertion, rather than making a claim. You didn't address this the last time I pointed it out, and I imagine you're too afraid to address it this time either. It's that same fear that makes you rip quotes out-of-context.

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    felkakarp Idea Submitter

    Sorry your own words are such a burden.

    But . ...

    "are you suggesting (with your out-of-context quotation) that one who makes no claim (such as myself), is required to provide evidence for a non-existent claim?"

    I suppose this isn't a claim:

    "Either Obama is hiding something or he has a mental disorder"

    Can you pruduce either what he's hiding or a psychiatric report?

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    tilapia2006

    It's called hyperbolic sarcasm (similar to sardonic rhetoric). It's not a claim of fact. Although, a logical person would deduce that if a person refuses to release certain personal information that they are indeed hiding something in regard to that personal information. Common sense (Sorry, I realize that may be a foreign concept to you).

    But of course, as I predicted, you are too afraid to address the issues I brought up. You just distract, distract, distract, hoping no one realizes that your vacuous arguments are the ultimate exercise in futility and avoidance. I understand ... you're just embarrassed that you didn't understand the logical fallacies of your argument out of ignorance. When you're ready to provide evidence for your claims, then we can talk.

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