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Natural-born citizens, are "those born in the country, of parents who are citizens".

Why Is This Idea Important?: Kenyan parent: Obama not natural born, not eligible and is usurper!

Natural-born citizens, are "those born in the country, of parents who are citizens", as defined in Vattel's masterpiece of political philosophy 'The Law of Nations' (1758) § 212, and instrumental to the Founding Fathers, who deemed it unnecessary to define in the Constitution, as it was already understood.

This is supported by the personal writings of the Founding Fathers, the 1st & 3rd Congressional record, and case law.

See the detailed history and facts here.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

Kenyan parent: Obama not natural born, not eligible and is usurper!

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Submitted by StrangeTruth 3 years ago

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  1. dulacu47

    If one is born on american soil irregardless of parents nationality or is born from atleast one american parent while overseas, then that one is an american. whoever you are , you gave wrong info in statement!

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  2. stealthb2000

    Look at some of these guy's handles they sign on with. Like StrangeTruth. Don't they match what they represent. He or she is strange, and knows nothing about the truth.

    blackmonrikker, must ride a black mongoose bicycle, cause his momy didn't by him a car yet. Hince his handle.

    What are their ages, I would guess 10 to 12 years old.

    3 years ago
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  3. cantbeatcalif

    Furthermore, BO's own website indicated that he was a British Subject at birth. Go to http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate and scroll all the way down.

    3 years ago
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  4. blackmonrikker

    The two-parent NBC idea is interesting. I believed it at first. But Congress has never defined NBC. Jus soli (just born here) is currently accepted law.

    Getting Congress to define NBC as two citizen parent is your only hope of getting Obama not to run and win in 2012. It won't affect his current presidency retroactively.

    3 years ago
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  5. blackmonrikker

    What are the chances that the current Congress will define NBC in a manner that hurts the president?

    Yeh, that's what I thought.

    Good try, though.

    3 years ago
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  6. sallietoo

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101892

    WND Exclusive BORN IN THE USA?

    Farah's $10,000 birth certificate challenge

    Editor encourages readers to help him up the ante

    Posted: June 22, 2009

    9:00 pm Eastern

    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    President Obama (White House photo

    WASHINGTON – WND Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah is offering a $10,000 reward to anyone who can prove he or she was present at the birth of Barack Obama – and he's asking Americans to donate to the cause in hopes of raising the bounty to an irresistible amount.

    "Barack Obama claims to have been born in Honolulu Aug. 4, 1961," explains Farah. "His entire constitutional claim to the presidency rests on this premise. Yet, he refuses to release a copy of his long-form birth certificate – the only document that could possibly corroborate his claim. Therefore, in the interest of truth, justice and the Constitution, I am making the extraordinary offer to entice someone to come forward with the facts of his birth – whether it took place in Hawaii or elsewhere."

    Obama has steadfastly refused to release evidence of that Hawaiian birth – a valid, long-form birth certificate that would show details of the birth, such as the hospital and the attending physician. Because the short-form "certification of live birth" he released to select news organization was at least sometimes issued for foreign births on the basis of an affidavit by one parent, it proves nothing as far as constitutional eligibility – and, in fact, raises suspicions about a foreign birth.

    (Story continues ) http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101892

    3 years ago
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  7. sallietoo

    According to Wikipedia: Barack Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States,{according to Maraniss, David (August 24, 2008). "Though Obama Had to Leave to Find Himself, It Is Hawaii That Made His Rise Possible". Politics (Washington Post). http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082301620.html. Retrieved on October 27, 2008.} to Stanley Ann Dunham,an American of mainly English descent from Wichita, Kansas, and Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya. Obama's parents met in 1960 in a (Communist)Russian language class at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa, where his father was a foreign student on scholarship. The couple married (althought Mr. Obama was already married)on February 2, 1961, and Barack was born later that year. His parents separated when he was two years old and they divorced in 1964. After her divorce, Dunham married Indonesian student Lolo Soetoro, who was attending college in Hawaii. When Suharto, a military leader in Soetoro's home country, came to power in 1967, all Indonesian students studying abroad were recalled and the family moved to the island nation. From ages six to ten, Obama attended local schools in Jakarta, including Besuki Public School and St. Francis of Assisi School. Interestedly it does not mention Barack was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, but other reports confirm he was http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72656

    My main point is the hospital name where Barack Obama was supposedly born was listed as Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii. Where did David Maraniss get the authority to determine BO's birth place - is it hearsay? So mainstream media go to Honolulu, Hawaii and interview staff at the Kapi'olani Medical Centers for Women & Children and find someone that can verify this was BO's true birthplace, they should have the long form birth cert. on records of who the doctor was and witnesses to BO's birth. WHY HASN'T MAINSTREAM MEDIA DONE THIS? MY GUESS IS THEY HAVE AND CANNOT VERIFY ONE SOLE THAT WITNESSED BO'S BIRTH AT THIS HOSPITAL BECAUSE HE WAS NOT BORN AT THIS HOSPITAL IN HONOLULUL, HAWAII. HE WAS BORN IN NAIROBI, KENYA WHERE HIS RECORDS ARE ALSO SEALED, MAKING BO TOTALLY ILLEGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. AS HE IS ALSO ILLEGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. BECAUSE ONLY ONE OF HIS PARENTS WERE AMERICAN CITIZENS AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH. BO UNSEAL YOUR RECORDS OF BIRTH TO END THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL - THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!!ISEN'T THERE SOMEONE, A REPORTER, A JOURNALIST STUDENT, ANYONE IN HONOLULU, HAWAII THAT CAN GO TO THIS HOSPITAL AND FIND SOMEONE THAT WITNESSED BO'S BIRTH, THE DOCTOR, A NURSE, A STAFFER, ANYONE!! IS THERE ANYONE THAT WITNESSED BO'S BIRTH IN HAWAII? WE ALREADY HAVE WITNESS TO BO'S BIRTH IN KENYA - THE WHOLE DANG COUNTRY SAYS BO WAS BORN IN KENYA. SO WHAT'S THE TRUTH AMERICA???

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  8. kandis1105

    blackmonrikker,

    Why should Congress have to define NBC? Just because IT (NBC) is not defined in our U.S. Constitution.

    Neither are the words, state and soverign, etc. defined in the U.S. Constitution.

    Why should Congress define the words NBC, state, and soverign etc just because they are not specificly defined in the U.S. Constitution to your liking? Even though we have dictionaries now. Wonder what kind of dictionary they used for those terms. The definitions are from "The Law of Nations"

    § 1. Of the state, and of sovereignty

    A NATION or a state is, as has been said at the beginning of this work, a body politic, or a society of men united together for the purpose of promoting their mutual safety and advantage by their combined strength........

    § 212. Citizens and natives.

    The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights

    Note: are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens, and condition of their fathers.

    -BHOsr was not a citizen of USA at time of BHO's birth (here on visa)

    -BHOsr was British (Foreign)

    Charles Pinckney (drafter and signer of the U.S. Constitution)in 1800 said:

    ”What better way to insure attachment to the country then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues”

    Note: Obama's father is FOREIGN not AMERICAN - Not Eligible to be a U.S. President

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  9. azaleahs

    So George Washington wasn't a Natural Born citizen because he was born a British subject of parents who were British subjects? So he couldn't run for President?

    3 years ago
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  10. sallietoo

    THAT'S IT? THAT YOUR ARGUMENT? DO YOU EVEN KNOW OUR HISTORY? WE WERE ALL BRITISH SUBJECTS TO THE KING OF ENGLAND UNTIL WE KICK THE BRITISH BUTTS OUT OF AMERICA IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR (1775-1783). At this time just about everybody in American were European immigrants fleeing religious persecution & oppression by a King. They came America for freedom to worship, freedom to own their own land and freedom from King rule. George Washington became the lst President of the U.S. in 1789, when he was 57 yr.s old. The framers of our Constitution knew very well that our lst Presidents had parents born from other countries as just about everyone did, this is why the framers of our Constitution thought it was extremely important to include in Article II "no Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution (9/17/1789), shall be eligible to the Office of President. See the or - George Washington was a Citizen of the U.S. born on American soil in 1732 to a Virgina planter family, which is more than BO can say. THIS IS WHAT THE WHOLE CONTROVERSY AND DEBATE IS ABOUT - EVERYBODY IN KENYA SAY BO WAS BORN IN NAIROBI, KENYA. ALL WE HAVE TO PROVE BO WAS BORN IN HAWAII IS A SHORT FORM COLB, WHICH IS NOT LEGAL REQUIRED PROOF OF BIRTH PLACE. BO'S RECORDS IN HAWAII AND KENYA ARE SEALED. NOW WHY WOULD BO HAVE ANY RECORDS IN KENYA UNLESS HE WAS ACTUALLY BORN IN KENYA AND/OR A CITIZEN OF KENYA AND/OR GREAT BRITAIN?? Kenya became a colony within British East Africa in 1920 and wasn't until 1963 did Kenya gain their independence, therefore BO is a British citizen, born before 1963. YOU WONDER WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT? IF A CITIZEN OF ANOTHER COUNTRY CAN BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. & DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE U.S.A., THEN ANYBODY CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF U.S. i.e. Chavez, Fidel, Mahmud Ahmadinejad. SEE THE PROBLEM?? AS DICTATED BY OUR CONSTITUTION THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. HAS TO BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AND IT IS DEBATABLE AND NOT PROVEN THAT BO IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN CUZ HE SEALED HIS RECORDS SO WE CAN'T FIND OUT THE TRUTH - HE IS A SOCIALIST USURPER!

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  11. blackmonrikker

    kandis: "The definitions are from "The Law of Nations"

    Number one, which American wrote "The Law of Nations".

    Number two, which portion of the Constitution explicitly refers to "The Law of Nations" as authoritative?

    Congress is in charge of making the laws. So far, no one has shown me a law that will cause Congress to disqualify Obama. Not one congressmen supports your position. Nor do you have the support of right wing media. Nor do you have the support of the SCOTUS.

    But, of course, you're right.

    Hold that thought. You can't possibly have many others. If you let this one (one you got from Vatel) get away, it may be the last thought you get for some time.

    You have to have spark to generate thoughts.

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  12. azaleahs

    Strangetruth has indicated that Vattel defined Natural born citizen as someone who's parents were citizens. kandis1105 says that the definition is from a book "The Law of Nations" presumably predating the existence of the USA that also defines a natural born citizen as being someone who inherits their citizenship from their parents. As many American Presidents' parents were not American citizens I suspect that though there was a great deal of discussion of what it required to run for President parents who were citizens of The USA probably wasn't one of them. I'd say this one requires a decision from the supreme court. If you cant get one I don't think your idea has a leg to stand on.

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  13. sallietoo

    ONE QUESTION BLACKMONRIKKER: WHY DOES EVERYONE IN KENYA THINK BO WAS BORN IN KENYA??

    CONGRESS IS RAN BY DSA DEMOCRAT SOCIALIST OF AMERICA MEMBER PELOSI WHO WILL NOT LET CONGRESS INVESTIGATE ACORN NOR DSA MEMBER OBAMA. ALL AMERICANS KNOW THE RIGHT WING MAINSTREAM MEDIA STOPPED REPORTING THE TRUTH DURING THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND ARE IN BED WITH BO i.e. GE CEO IMMELT OWNER OF NBC/MSNBC AND OF COURSE ABC THAT IS PURELY PARTISAN IN THEIR REPORTING EVIDENT WITH THEIR PROPAGANDA TO PROMOTE SOCIALIST NATIONAL HEALTH CARE ANOTHER DSA AGENDA. YES THERE ARE CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN WHO DO SUPPORT THE VIEW THAT BO IS ILLEGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OF U.S. BUT LIKE THE BANKS, GOVERNORS, AUTO INDUSTRY, NOW THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY BO THREATENS THOSE THAT OPPOSE HIM OR QUESTION HIM - YOU SEEN HIM AT THE PRESS RELEASE HAVEN'T YOU? IT PISSES HIM OFF TO BE QUESTION AT ALL. IT'S HIS INTIMIDATION AND THREATEN STRATEGY HE LEARNED AS AN ACORN COMMUNITY ORGANIZER AND TRAINER - IT'S DIRTY, ROTTEN, CHICAGO, MOBSTER POLITICS AND IT'S ILLEGAL!!!

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  14. sallietoo

    No azaleahs if we can't get a decision from the supreme court on BO illegibility to be President of U.S. does necessarily not mean this does not have a leg to stand on. What it could mean is the Judges of the Judicial Branch of our government the way to the Supreme Court are CORRUPT!!! BO IS TRYING TO GET SOTOMAYER NOMINATED TO THE SUPREME COURT ISEN'T HE?? THIS SHOULD NOT BE A BIG SURPRISE AS THE LEGISLATURE BRANCH AND EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS STATE GOVERNMENTS ARE CORRUPTED BY THE DSA SOCIALIST MEMBERS IN THOSE POSITIONS.

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  15. blackmonrikker

    Sallietoo: "ONE QUESTION BLACKMONRIKKER: WHY DOES EVERYONE IN KENYA THINK BO WAS BORN IN KENYA??"

    Well, I'd disagree with that assessment. But suppose they do. What does what a bunch of Kenyans think have to do with U.S. law?

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  16. azaleahs

    Does the caps lock indicate your shouting or something like that.

    Its always easiest to decide that everybody who disagrees with you is corrupt but then again, maybe its just that they think your wrong.

    Deciding everybody is corrupt who disagrees with you is similar to the guy who says everybody other than himself is insane.

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  17. sallietoo

    It's a free country still azaleahs - I CAN TYPE IN CAPS IF I WANT!! Not everyone is corrupt just the DSA members in Congress (over 80 of them in Congress) & Administration and our State Government.

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  18. ldrancer

    the constitution says that. what you break the law, there's punishments for that, called spy's and the united states government shoots spys.

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  19. redkite16

    I have heard many times "He had one American parent and/or he was born on American soil and thus he is a citizen and eligible to be POTUS". I believe he is an American Citizen.

    I have also heard many times recently that we should interpret the law and legislate based on the spirit or intent of the law.

    The framers were very smart people, they understood the importance of allegiance, and stated the POTUS had to be a "Natural Born Citizen" and not just a Citizen.

    From a comment earlier in this thread.

    "DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE U.S.A., THEN ANYBODY CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF U.S. i.e. Chavez, Fidel, Mahmud Ahmadinejad."

    No - The Constitution is quite clear. You need to me more than just a Citizen. You need to be Natural Born.

    Because of the exceptional clause made just for the POTUS, NEITHER could his children, even if the mother was an American and they were born in the US.

    You see, it is an additional requirement and an extra requirement for the sake of allegiance.

    The Spirit of this clause is to stop infiltration by children of Americas enemies.

    The LETTER of the law for this clause is that BOTH Parent have to be American Citizens.

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  20. kandis1105

    For those questioning George Washington being a British Subject or NBC

    1. Constitution signed: Sept. 7, 1787

    2. George Washington became president on April 30, 1790

    3. The Presidential requirements from the Constitution were in effect then.

    George Washington:

    Born - Westmoreland County, Virginia (1732-1799)

    Augustine Washington (father)

    Born - Westmoreland County, Virginia (1694-1743)

    Mary Ball Washington (mother)

    Born - Lively, Lancaster Country, Virginia (1708-1789)

    George Washington's great-grandfather (John, on his father's side) emigrated from England, and Mary Ball's grandfather emigrated from England.

    If I'm correct at that time, the British still ruled some of the territory at his birth.

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