Natural Citizen Requirement

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Enforce the requirement that the President of the United States be a natural born citizen!

And don't even bother trying the "he posted his birth certificate" when all anyone has seen is a Certificate of Live Birth. That document is a far cry from a legal birth certificate.

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  1. Comment
    mjg95

    That's the best attack you guys can come up with?

    Wow, Obama is cleaner than I even though.

  2. Comment
    comeasygo ( Idea Submitter )

    Can't argue that. In fact his VP Biden said, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

  3. Comment
    womont

    The ultra right conservatives keep bringing up this "dribble". John McCain wasn't asked for his BC nor any other President before President Barack Obama. What we have with these guys are cases of "jim-crow" hangover. They cannot except the fact that these United States are finally beginning to live up to the creed of its "Declaration of Independence" and "Constitution". So come on you "jim-crow" hangover guys-let's get with the program and admit that the United States has out grown your incipient mentality of segregation and the demeaning of people who look different from you.

  4. Comment
    hamptonrachel2002

    give it up, already. you're beating a dead horse.

  5. Comment
    dlmrnc

    womont, In fact John McCain did have to produce his original birth certificate when there was a question about his birth in Panama.

    In implying there are racial motives for anyone who has doubts about Obama's constitutional qualifications to the position of POTUS you reveal yourself as a racist.

    Bobcat41702, If you trust Snopes as a reliable vetting entity then I have a real nice bridge I'd like to sell you.

  6. Comment
    lauralee11957

    womont, you are mis-informed it took over 30 days for John Mccain to be verified by congress go look at the record! Thank You!

  7. Comment
    lauralee11957

    Strangetruth..Truth is he is not a legal citizen and it is the biggest fraud in history! Everything that has been signed and made law is an illegal document! This is dangerous and allows for anything other corruption overlooked!

  8. Comment
    info

    There appears a concerted effort to vote down single payer. conservatives have invaded this web site and have registered on jun 1 and voted single payer actions listed on this web site. they appear organized. It does not appear enough that they have killed a doctor, now they want to kill single payer too. Also they have come and created bogus efforts to question the citizenship of our legitimately elected President.

  9. Comment
    StrangeTruth

    TheObamaFile.com

    The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com

    for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials

    This informative site presents the most historically accurate, legally correct and genuinely unbiased credible explanation of the eligibility issue I have found, following several months of studious searching for accurate clarification, of what I now regretfully regard as an illegal usurpation of the office of the President of the United States of America.

    Obviously calling onto question the constitutional eligibility of a sitting president is a serious matter, however our president is not above the rule of law. The Constitution is our greatest protection from abusive government. Throughout the history of mankind, political power has frequently been seized irrespective of the will of the governed, often violently. Perhaps owing to our imperfect nature, totalitarianism has more often been the rule, rather than the exception.

    Our Constitution as first envisioned and ultimately realized by the benefits of both pen and sword, was founded as a heart felt invention of necessity by men so deathly tired of oppression, that they determined despite any cost, to establish our Constitutional Republic. With the Constitution, our Founding Father's planted a seed in soil richly nourished in blood, that with similar courage United States citizens might forever more be able to exercise their God given inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in at least one free and just nation upon the face of the earth.

    Respectfully, a Vet.

    The Constitution still matters,

    but only for as long as 'we the people, by continuing to support and defend it, say so!

    The Constitution will protect the citizens for as long as the citizens protect the Constitution.

    Please consider the following:

    http://www.theobamafile.com

    Especially this particular TheObamafile.com page:

    http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

  10. Comment

    I want to see the long form birth certificate and the college records would be interesting, too. For "the most transparent presidency" he sure has a lot of secrets.

  11. Comment
    info

    You Republiklan party cyberterrorists have the right to express your opinions, but you don't have the right as an organized group from say Frei Republik or some other Right Wingow forum to come to a government site and sabotage the site with hundreds of very similar topics about the xistence of the President's birth certificate. We realize why you're doing this, to obstruct government business. I would not find it surprising if your names haven't gotten sent to the FBI cyberterrorist units for placing hundreds of topics about Barack Obama's birth certificate. Most of you right wing zombies just registered today Jun 1 and have done cybervandalism and cyberterrorism. I don't want to see you go to GITMO. The government should send you Republiklan party members to Alcatraz instead while awaiting trial for cyberterrorism. Enjoy your freedom while you can, then off to Alcatraz with you right wing terrorists.

    The GOPranos have created the climate for the killing of Dr. Tiller. They repeatedly called 4 an end to a legal medical procedure. Now their cyberterrorists have come to this opengov site to kill open discussion and flood this site with several hundreds of entries about the birth certificate of Barack Obama. Remove this above entry and ban the user who posted it.

  12. Comment
    mail2me

    President Obama rightly campaiged for openness and transparency in government and politics, shouting we need change from the rooftops.

    He stated that he would be different from the Bush Republicans who were honest and open.

    Since then he has spent hundreds of thousands of public donations to avoid showing his long form birth certificate to the people of the USA.

    Until he shows his Long Form Birth certificate he is a Liar and a fraud.

    hence the growing public agitation over the issue.

    Its a matter of integrity and honestly over hypocrisy.

  13. Comment
    PIM

    snopes is owned and run by a husband and wife team,who it has been proven,they don't vet the info they get,before debunking it......

    also who else in this country who is black, born before 1969 has their race listed as black??? or african??? none do, if you are black it was listed as negro

  14. Comment
    nemesispaladin

    The Birth Certificate does not matter. No matter where he was born, only his mother was a citizen. Two citizen parents are required along with birth ON U.S. soil, to confer Natural Born Status.

    If the usurper was born in Hawaii he would only be a native born citizen which does not meet the Constitutional requisit to be president.

    If he was born in Kenya his mother was not old enough to confer citizenship to him and he would not be a citizen unless he was naturalized; still not sufficient to meet the Constitutional requisit.

  15. Comment
    PIM

    Obama's mother was not old enough to confer citizenship to him......So you have to fall back on the father, who was not a citizen..

    either way you look at it ,he is not a natural born citizen...

    Why did he meet with SCOTUS just before a ruling to accept a case on this matter?? would not the Justices, that were at this meeting, been required to recuse themselves in any and all matters after this meeting??

  16. Comment
    decco1266

    KOOL-AID HES NOT LEGAL!!!!!!!!

  17. Comment
    ramjet767

    The Obama supporters in Congress are already working behind the scenes. They have a bill in process which would help aide Obame in redefining Natural Born Citizen, in the eye of the general public, from its historical constitutional meaning to something more suited to their needs with Obama. See HR 1868 at this link:

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

    They also have another bill in process to repeal the term limits 22nd amendment in our Constitution so Obama can run more than twice. This is the same thing that Hugo Chavez recently did in Venezuela by changing their Constitution to repeal term limits.

    Obama and his far-left, socialist minions are a real danger to our liberty and Constitution. He has totally ignored Article II of the Constitution with obfuscations and phony digital images of questional documents. He is making a mockery of our rule of law and our Constitutional Republic. And the enabling Main Stream Media (MSM) has allowed him to do this. There is major trouble ahead for our country if the people do not demand and get an investigation of the true identity of Obama by full Congressional hearings with full subpoena powers by both the majority and minority members of the investigating Congressional committee. We need this hearing before it is too late. Look who Obama is consulting with today as to our national interest, not people in the USA but the King of Saudi Arabia to who he bowed to on the last visit and from whom he has obtained much financing in his political career over time. He is clearly influenced by foreigners and of which John Jay warned George Washington about. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, as his father was not a Citizen nor was his father even an immigrant to the USA!

    http://www.thebirthers.org

    RJ

  18. Comment
    jamesfclements

    The law is simple and clear, President Obama is an American citizen fully qualified to serve as president. It is simple to verify this. If you would put this much effort into fixing a real problem, into acting honorably and decently, into being a person who's word had worth and value, you would be considered an exceptional individual worthy of respect and of being listened to.

  19. Comment
    ramjet767

    Obama may be a citizen but he is NOT a natural born citizen and for the singular office of the President under our Constitution the person in that office must be more than just an American citizen. He must be a natural born citizen to constitutional standards.

    Also, the COLB digital image he has produced does not even prove he was born in Hawaii. Can you think of any official office in government where a digital image on the internet is all you have to show to prove you are a even an ordinary citizen, let alone a Natural Born Citizen to Constitutional standards.

    You are intellectually dishonest. Obama has not produced COLB to any controlling legal authority or independent document examiner to determine its validity. All his has shown to anyone outside his campaign and his Annenberg Foundation (which Obama chaired) controlled FactCheck website is a digital image of an alleged document. Do you really believe that a digital image is all that is necessary to prove one's constitutional eligibility for any federal office in the land? Have you ever heard of PhotoShop and what can be done with a digital image and computer generated forms using digital laser printers? We the People want to see and have experts examine the underlying printed paper document used to make that image AND we also want to see the yet unseen long-form, original birth certificate still in the vaults in HI to see the name of the attending doctor and hospital where he was born and other contemporaneous non-family witnesses to the birth, if there are any!

    Here is one expert's examination report of that digital image COLB that you place the entire safety of our country on and the future liberty of all of us on. Obama must prove he is eligible under Article II to constitutional standards, not FactCheck.org and Snopes.com website O-Bot standards.

    See this report on the forgery of the COLB image on the internet shown by Obama's campaign and Snopes and FactCheck:

    http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/04/why_obama_will_never_show_his_birth_certificate.thtml

    http://www.thebirthers.org/

    RJ

  20. Comment
    sboswe

    What 0bama needs to do to prove he is eligible:

    1) Release the long form, vault copy of his birth certificate.

    2) Release all college records to the public.

    3) Show he has never been a citizen of Indonesia - as school records there show.

    4) Tell us what passport he used to travel to Pakistan in the early 80's - when travel to Pakistan (or Pokeestan according to Zero) was restricted for US citizens.

    Until then I will believe he is an usurper who needs to be removed from office and tried for his crimes against the country.

  21. Comment
    Twitchy

    You people redefine the terms gullible and ignorant. None of you have the faintest idea what you're talking about. You're just spewing back garbage and lies you found on the internet.

    Obama asked for a copy of his birth certificate. Hawaii issued him what they issue everybody who asks for a copy of their birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth. He displayed it on the internet, just so everyone could see it. What he displayed contains all of the information necessary to prove citizenship, including that he was born in Honolulu. Case closed.

    And there are no "constitutional standards" for "natural born citizen". It's completely undefined in the Constitution.

  22. Comment
    PIM

    Twitchy,

    as usual those who are drinking to much kool-aid resort to name calling......

    Strange I have read the requirements and they are very simple,

    Let me use another example of natural born so you may understand it..

    When a parent says it's child is a natural born, verses adopted, what is you interpretation ??

    There are to many unanswered question,I have concerning this matter, and I would not have voted for this man if I had known he had not been thoroughly been vetted.

    I say this because after the election is when I saw the fake certificate of live birth....... I want to see a copy of the original birth certificate, not a certificate of live birth, of which anybody can get in Hawaii....

    I would hope that this request would be reasonably embraced by a man I voted for, if he had nothing to hide.

    I only wish I could take back my vote until this matter is resolved.. And before anybody comes off with name calling again and calls me racist or some stupid word like ignorant,

    I am a Black-American, not African anything!! and I do have a college education, bought and paid for by the government....Yet I still managed to retain the ability to think for myself and weigh all evidence.

    Why would Obama hire a law firm to keep this matter out of court?? This does not look good in my view.

  23. Comment
    cashman57

    I keep wondering how foolish a person can be. The people who are backing 0bama have never heard him claim the document on the web. The only one he has claimed was written about in his bio.It was described as old and wrinkled.

    What's funny is the fact so many people are so gullible that they believe something that has never been.

    I have been asking for someone who backs the guy with 0% approval according to Rasmussen to link me to the time 0bama said the document on the web was his, came from his files, or is in any way accurate.

    So far nobody has been able to do that so instead of facts they just try to make the problem something else.

    I don't care what publication you read, there's no place where the prez even said anything about the one online.

  24. Comment
    PIM

    I would just like to see at least a certified copy of the real birth certificate, not one that is photo shopped . When you look closer at the one online ,you can see the pattern of the paper does not follow through on the o's and B's if this were a true copy, then the pattern would be there..

    I voted for this man so I have no "Other side agenda" I just want the truth!! why did the media not bring this disagreement issue out before the election??

  25. Comment
    cashman57

    Since 0bama has never claimed the one online is his, I have to wonder why people believe it.

  26. Comment
    PIM

    he sure run to Hawaii and talked to the governor before she sealed his birth info,and no where can I find where she said he was a natural born citizen... all she said is she had seen his Certificate of live birth, and anybody can get one of those... In Hawaii even illegal aliens...

  27. Comment
    evreport

    Honolulu Star-Bulletin, June 6, 2009

    Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?

    Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.

    The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

    The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

    And, it's only available in electronic form.

    Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

    "At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.

    Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

    "The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

    Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."

    "The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.

    Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."

    She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

    The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

    Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."

    http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

  28. Comment
    ramjet767

    A copy is needed per Hawaiian law for the Homeland program. They do not accept certifications for that program. I think this newspaper author skimmed over and omitted some facts. Also, copies of paper records can still be obtained of the original documents via court order, if the CERT form is questioned legally, which Obama is fighting. The CERT form is prima facie evidence, not conclusive evidence, and is only good in court if it's validity is not questioned.

    Also, Obama himself wrote in in his book, "Dreams from My Father" that he had in his possession in the 80s copy of his Birth Certificate which he obtained about the time his father died in Kenya. He considered it one of his prized possessions. Why can't he produce a certified copy of that one for starters? Then he could stop fighting the lawsuits demanding a court ordered copy be obtained from the Hawaiian vaults. And he could stop fighting the lawsuits trying to get copies of his application to Occidental College and his financial assistance application there. Did he apply for financial aide there as a foreign born student using a Kenyan BC or Indonesian passport, or both, as evidence for obtaining that aide. Why is Obama hiding all his early life birth, education, and travel records prior to becoming a U.S. Senator.

    http://www.thebirthers.org/

    RJ

  29. Comment
    PIM

    Did Okubo tell why his father is listed as a African (which isn't a race) and in 1961 he would have been listed as a negro or as negroid??? I don't believe anybody spoke to the woman and got this information, simply because I received a copy of my birth certificate just last November (to get a back ground check done,) and it shows the hospital, the signature of the doctor as well as my parents both being Negro.So don't hand me that NEW and REVISED VERSION ........somebody has lied. Because he was adopted by his mother's second husband, and his birth certificate would reflect that as well.. Until all these questions are answered in a way that I can believe them, I will consider my vote having been obtained by fraud.

  30. Comment
    evreport

    ohnoonetwogo,

    Can you prove that Obama was adopted by his mother's second husband? Have you seen adoption papers, court records, anything? If not, where does that claim come from? He had a step-father, yes, but did that step-father legally adopt him?

    I was alive in 1961 and while an African-American would have been categorized by race as Negro or Negroid, a black man from Africa may not have been. Obama Sr. may have reported himself as "African" and I think making far-reaching assumptions based on this is kind of silly. Hawaii is a place of many races, and I doubt civil servants there were much worried about Negroid and whatnot.

  31. Comment
    PIM

    evreport,

    did you not read his book, he clearly states he was adopted by his mother second husband..

  32. Comment
    Twitchy

    ohnoonetwogo,

    Is telling the truth name-calling? You are gullible and ignorant.

    No, anyone canNOT get a Certification (not Certificate) of Live Birth from Hawaii. That's a lie you were told that you accepted without question.

    What you have seen on the internet is an official extract from the database set up by the State of Hawaii from the information contained on Obama's Certificate (not Certification) of Live Birth. If someone asks the State of Hawaii for an official copy of their birth certificate, what they get the extract, the Certification of Live Birth, with the required signature and raised seal to amke it an official copy. That's been true since 2001, when Hawaii modernized their system.

    You evidently do NOT have "the ability to think for myself and weigh all evidence", because you've uncritically swallowed all the BS created by a bunch of partisan loonies, without doing any investigation on your own.

    Gullible. And ignorant.

  33. Comment
    Twitchy

    ramjet767,

    Didn't one of the frauds who claimed that Obama's images were Photoshopped also claim that that could be detected? Would your image stand up to inspection by experts. Obama's did, to experts provided by WND, last August.

  34. Comment
    Twitchy

    cashman57,

    Obama's campaign posted the document on the web. Have you heard anyone deny that it's his birth certificate, other than the birthers, who only display their ignorance.

    You're the current king of irrelevant. But, on this subject, that'll probably last less than a day.

  35. Comment
    PIM

    twitchy,

    I have copied this from another post on this site.I do believe it applies very well to you..

    Idea: RESULTS OF THE AMERICAN FREEDOM OF SPEECH TEST

    Author: janine39

    I just wanted to share with all of you the results of my Freedom of Speech test. In just 2 days I got responses from a number of you on my previous posts. I knew if I said, do not send me a response, that you would do exactly that for my test. I took some information that I found in a number of different posts on the internet, and I put them into a couple of New Idea posts. Issues talked about several times over by different Americans across the nation. I found most Americans are very blunt to speak their minds on internet posts, that is why I did the same in my test posts. I combined some wrong information and correct information together. I needed to get a response, and honest reaction, from all of you, and it worked like a charm. I knew this would be the perfect platform to get the information I needed for the test.

    I found that:

    79% of Americans would suppress his fellow man's freedom of speech rights in America.

    89% thought the posts offensive, and had some very unAmerican, rude, and abusive things to say in return to a complete stranger.

    55% agreed with part of the content to a certain extent.

    97% of Liberals just can't stand to be called names by a complete stranger, but don't hesitate to call that stranger a few names, or even threaten that person themselves, in their responses. This shows the severe lack of tolerance, and the abusive nature of the Liberal party, towards their fellow man.

    34% of Conservatives thought it was funny to make fun of Liberals.

    45% thought I was crazy and should be locked up.

    67% agreed with part of the content in the post, but pointed out the wrong information, and some of the offense language or content.

    90% of Conservatives were kinder in their responses to my posts, but critical of my language and wrong content. This shows the higher morals and values are still in place in the Conservative party is still true. Treat your fellow man as you would want to be treated, but point out where they are wrong in their thinking or information.

    62% of Americans threatened me in one form or another. We are getting to be either a Big Brother, intolerate, and a violent nation.

    17% of Conservatives thought my content was racist, or called me a racist.

    96% of Liberals thought my content was racist, or called me a racist.

    Word from the tester: My mom gave me some very good advice years ago with I was a young girl. I have tried to live by it ever since. But I research all the time, and the blogs and posts I see daily really opened up my eyes as to how much America has changed in the last 50 years.

    The information my mom told me was this:

    Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

    If you don't have something good to say about someone, keep it to yourself.

    I see for the most part the Conserative ideals are still in place.

    The Liberal ideals have changed for the worst. The Liberal Progressive movement is ruining our great nation, and its ideals of Freedom and Rights.

    Thank you for participating in the Freedom of Speech test. I hope it opened up your eyes also on the information I found, just like it did mine.

  36. Comment
    Twitchy

    ohnoonetwogo,

    The effects you see are because it's a low-res photo. You can find better photos at http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg. Just keep incrementing the digit at the end. There are at least 7 of them.

    And the governor of Hawaii never sealed Obama's information. She didn't need to. It would violate both federal and state law to release it to just anybody.

    Ever hear of identity theft?

    As for "African" vs "negro", Hawaii, at that time (I don't know about now) just put down for "race" whatever the parents told them. "Race" is a pretty meaningless classification. And Obama Sr was certainly "African".

    Did you get your recent copy of your birth certificate from Hawaii?

    Why would a BC necessarily reflect an adoption, particularly if it wasn't an infant adoption?

    And you're taking Obama's word for his being adopted, but not, apparently, for anything else. How about some proof that he was OFFICIALLY adopted.

    As for your test: I'm sorry that you're gullible and ignorant. I'm trying to do my best to rectify that, but most of the gullible and ignorant apparently WANT TO BE gullible and ignorant. Instead of investigating the facts, they just keep repeating what they want to believe, even when the bulk of the evidence says they're wrong.

    FACTS. EVIDENCE. So far, you've got nothing but the usual lies and BS.

  37. Comment
    PIM

    Yes I did get my Certificate of Birth from Hawaii, I happened to have been born 7/20/1961, and my Certificate looks nothing like the one I have been looking at today, all over the net.. You must not understand I voted for this man and now I have doubt,and you and your critical attitude does nothing to ease the doubts I have, your attitude of superior knowledge does nothing but make me think that you profess to much. But keep it up I am sure the republican party will be glad to get a democrat come 2012.

    and who is going to steal Obama's identity?? come on you have got to be kidding me with that one, and yes the governor did seal his Certificate of Live Birth, that was in the news here,I just didn't pay any attention to what it was all about, at the time.

  38. Comment
    Twitchy

    ohnoonetwogo,

    So, can you post it on the internet so we can all see it?

    My "critical attitude" comes from the "attitude of superior knowledge" displayed by the birthers, who are usually passing on lies and misinformation. I try to counter with facts, which can typically be verified by anyone who can use Google.

    Privacy laws exist to protect everyone. Just like the Bill of Rights applies to everyone, and making exceptions weakens the protections for everyone.

    As for the governor of Hawaii sealing Obama's BC, I went to WND to get the most negative portrayal of that that I'd be likely to find anywhere. While the headline and the first paragraph say that, nothing else in the article supports anything except obeying Hawaii state law. The only thing they've got is an "anonymous source", that may or may not exist. More BS. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79174

  39. Comment
    Twitchy

    ramjet767,

    The Homeland program will accept the Certification. Their website simply says that the Certificate will speed things up. Since, apparently, the Certificate doesn't exist for anyone born after 2001....

    And, having read Dr. Fukino's statement (http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf) about the BC, I note that it says that they have BO's original BC "on record", not that they have the original in physical form. Combining that with the article posted by evreport, it seems at least possible that the original now exists only as bits on DASD somewhere on a State of Hawaii computer.

  40. Comment

    What passport did UHBAMA use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ? How did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later??? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over UHbama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

    A: Yes, by his own admission.

    Q: What passport did he travel

    under?

    A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

    Q: Is it possible that UHbama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

    A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

    Conclusion: When UHbama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

    If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he

    relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967..

    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

  41. Comment
    ramjet767

    Hi,

    There was federal court Activity in Kerchner v Obama & Congress Case yesterday - 2nd Extension of time granted to Defendants to give the DOJ more time. The Judge granted the 2nd delay but in a five page order outlined the seriousness of the charges in this case. The DOJ cannot seem to figure out how to respond to this lawsuit. The Judge said that "competent counsel" should be appointed to this case do to the serious nature of the charges. He also said that once attorneys for all defendants have entered an appearance for each defendant "... the case will proceed expeditiously." See this link for more details.

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/06/activity-in-kerchner-v-obama-congress.html

    http://www.thebirthers.org/

    RJ

  42. Comment
    cashman57

    Twitchy- 0bama has never said the one on the web was his. He has never claimed it in any way. The only birth certificate he has claimed is the old and wrinkled one.

    Either come up with a time 0bama claimed it or quit pretending it happened.

  43. Comment
    Twitchy

    cashie,

    Completely irrelevant, as usual.

    Hey, PIM, I see you changed your name (from ohnoonetwogo). When are you going to post your Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth, obtained "just last November", on the web?

  44. Comment
    PIM

    Twitchy I am trying to do that as soon as I can figure out my scanner, something I have never used at home. it keeps telling me to install the driver, but it is installed!!! and reinstalled!!!!

    Thank you for inquiring about this, I do want to make sure others see what a mistake we might have made..

  45. Comment
    evreport

    ramjet767,

    The Obama supporters in Congress are already working behind the scenes. They have a bill in process which would help aide Obame in redefining Natural Born Citizen, in the eye of the general public, from its historical constitutional meaning to something more suited to their needs with Obama. See HR 1868 at this link:

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

    **

    That is a Republican bill:

    This bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for children born to undocumented immigrants in the U.S. Current U.S. law automatically recognizes any person born on American soil as a natural born citizen. Under the bill, only children with at least one parent who is a U.S. citizen, a legal permanent resident, or an undocumented immigrant serving in the military would be considered citizens.

    Sponsor

    Rep. Nathan Deal [R, GA-9]

    Rep. W. Akin [R, MO-2]

    Rep. Rodney Alexander [R, LA-5]

    Rep. Spencer Bachus [R, AL-6]

    Rep. Roscoe Bartlett [R, MD-6]

    Rep. Brian Bilbray [R, CA-50]

    Rep. Gus Bilirakis [R, FL-9]

    Rep. Jo Bonner [R, AL-1]

    Rep. John Boozman [R, AR-3]

    -more

    **

    I don't see what Obama has to do with it.

  46. Comment
    cashman57

    It is good to see that we may finally have someone look at the documentation. It is a sad statement when it takes dozens of lawsuits to get basic information and I hope the judge does not allow the usurper and his cabal to delay this past 6/29/09.

    It will be quite a momentous end to the 12 month long obfuscation, lies of omission, and silense from the crooks who supported the illegal candidacy of B. S. and the b.s. supporters here.

    What is entirely relevant and what has changed the minds of so many people is the fact that the one person who could say the document on the web is his and came from him and is an accurate depiction of his birth has remained silent.

    His silence speaks more to more people than any ruling in any courtroom and the only thing the crooks that back him and the apologists for him here have to say is that they consider that fact irrelevant.

    In the real world you respond to accusations and you bolster your position with words and deeds.

    In this case he has refused to answer any question, and dealyed, denied, and drawn out the question to a point past ridiculous.

    he has refused to be the transparent president he promised on the campaign.

    That fits well with his dereliction of duty while in office.

    As commander he made a strategic decision without any way of knowing how it would work when he signed an emergeny power document to close Gitmo.

    He has signed bills into law without reading them, and we have proof of this when he stated he was shocked to see the provisions in the bill he signed into law.

    Either one of those by themselves are probably not significant in peacetime when our troops are not engaged in battle, but to spend money without thought, to make strategic decisions without thinking them through and the fact he's been playing hide and seek with transparency together consist a pattern of ignorance and willful deriliction of duty that should mean he no longer gets to command the military. He's obviously unfit and a danger to our troops in war.

  47. Comment
    ramjet767

    Educational information on the eligibility issue and The Birthers:

    http://www.thebirthers.org/

    RJ

    P.S. The Republicans are at it again in the summary description of the bill with HR 1868 in order to confuse the public once again so they can run Gov. Jindall, another non-natural born citizen, in 2012. McCain nor Obama were natural born citizens in the 2008 election cycle. Calero the open Socialist Party candidate was on the ballot in 5 states and he was not even a citizen at all. Both Parties, the RNC and the DNC, put party power and money before the country and our constitution. In 2010 we should throw out all the encumbents from both parties in the House and 1/3 the Senate. Then in 2012 with should throw out another 1/3 of the Senate. We the People must take back the power from the Power usurper, Obama the Fascist and the enabling Monarchy Congress. If only we had a true objective Main Stream Media, this could not happen. But they're in the bag for the Socialist and Secular agenda and run interference for Obama and cronies. We are rapidly drifting towards Fascism in the country.

  48. Comment
    Twitchy

    evreport,

    It's just another example of birther groupthink.

  49. Comment
    cashman57

    Hopefully B.S. will realize that he's not going to escape this scrutiny and resigns.

  50. Comment
    Twitchy

    Why? Because of a lynch mob?

    Get some relevant facts on your side.

  51. Comment
    talula1may1harpe

    one does have to wonder why he doesn't make a speech concerning this issue, I mean he sure can spend the money flying all over the world and talking.

    why hire a lawyer to talk for you.

  52. Comment
    nsxgod

    Twitchy 5 hours ago

    Why? Because of a lynch mob?

    Get some relevant facts on your side.

    ***

    It is the lack of "relevant facts" from BO that keeps this subject alive. YOU Mr. Twitchy, don't know any more than anyone else, which is abundantly clear from your previous postings.

    All our Dear Leader has to do is allow access to his school records and produce the birth certificate mentioned in one of the puff pieces he calls autobiographies. That ought to take someone with his omnipotent power standing "above the world... like a GOD" according to the unbiased and always impartial Editor at large of Newsweek: (http://www.newsweek.com/id/32821) about a microsecond.

    Anyone spending this much time and $ keeping his life hidden has something to hide.

    http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/05/05/the-obama-birth-certificate/print/

    that would damage his carefully cultivated mystique, and if it was the shrub playing this game every reporter in the USA except perhaps 2 or 3 over at WorldNet Daily would be looking for the answers 24/7.

  53. Comment
    Twitchy

    talula1may1harpe,

    Why make a speech about an issue that only a few loonies care about?

    As for te lawyers, they aren't doing much, except asking the courts to enforce existing privacy law.

  54. Comment
    michael

    Where's the real birth certificate??

    Most Americans know what one looks like. The one on the internet is not the one we want to see. It is a fraud. Obviously, he was born in Kenya, as his Grandmother said, not the USA.

  55. Comment
    ramjet767

    Excerpt from TheObamaFile.com 14 Jun 2009 posting

    http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

    Obama's Admission

    From "Dreams From My Father" -- page 26, last paragraph:

    "I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It's a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father's imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents."

    This paragraph exists in "Dreams from My Father." It is proof that Obama's birth certificate exists, that his grandmother had a copy, and that he's seen it. So he knows what's on it, and whatever it is -- or isn't -- it's the reason he is fighting its release so ferociously.

    Undoubtedly, this knowledge provided the motivation for the ransacking of his grandmother Dunham's apartment within hours of her death. He was looking for this document before it fell into the "wrong" hands."

    http://www.thebirthers.org/

    RJ