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   philip.thehermit Idea Submitter

   By the way, I'm not arbitrarily picking on the "birth certificate" people. This issue was debunked long ago, during the campaign.

   If you Google for "Snopes Birth Certificate" you'll find the snopes.com page on the subject. It is quite comprehensive. Snopes is a site dedicated to debunking urban legends, by the way.

   Bottom line: the president is of course an American citizen, he was born in Hawaii, and he has every right to lead. In fact, his "long form" birth certificate is right where it's supposed to be -- at the Department of Health in Hawaii. They just don't hand it out to every Tom, Dick and Harry who asks for it (that would be a violation of the man's privacy).

   This subject shouldn't be on anyone's mind anymore; it's ancient news. I don't know WHY it's being permitted to monopolize this website! We have much more important things to talk about.

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   forbiddentruthsystemadmin

   Yes silence the TRUTH once again... you people are worth literally zero.

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   p112244

   So who will be anointed with the power to determine who is crazy? Will it be someone like you who concludes that 400,0000 citizens are crazy for asking the President to do what the Government requires of every employer, i.e., determine the citizenship of who they hire? It seems hypocritical for the Government to require proof of lawful residence of employees when the President just blows it off. Censorship is the hallmark of facism.

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   bellevuedan

   philip

   Snopes doesn't have the credibility to debunk anything. Snopes is a Soros affiliated site.

   Obama has paid thousands of dollars to lawyers to keep from having to produce the birth certificate to a court of law which would have the power to debunk it. Why?

   And the Certificate of live birth on the web is given to people not born in the U.S., so it is insufficient as proof, which is why people keep asking for the Long form.

   Let the site administration create a separate category for birth certificate requests and that will help organize the site.

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   Waiting2Trade

   I disagree. When we start flagging comments just because we happen not to like what it may say, we are no better off than the terrorist who want to change American policies into there Muslim beliefs, i.e. making there women wear burka's.. (Could you imagine Megan Fox with that own? yuck)

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   forbiddentruthsystemadmin

   Your misinformed. The terrorist in this courty who are changing our politics are the Jews and no other group.... you need to open your eyes to our real nation wreckers who hold dual citizenship and are in the hightest placest on out Federal government, and this was just under Bush... now it is much worse. Their loyalty is to another country NOT the united states.

   Attorney General - Michael Mukasey

   Head of Homeland Security - Michael Chertoff

   Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle

   Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) - Paul Wolfowitz

   Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith

   National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams

   Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) - “Scooter” Libby

   White House Deputy Chief of Staff - Joshua Bolten

   Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs - Marc Grossman

   Director of Policy Planning at the State Department - Richard Haass

   U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) - Robert Zoellick

   Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - James Schlesinger

   UN Representative (Former) - John Bolton

   Under Secretary for Arms Control - David Wurmser

   Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Eliot Cohen

   Senior Advisor to the President - Steve Goldsmith

   Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary - Christopher Gersten

   Assistant Secretary of State - Lincoln Bloomfield

   Deputy Assistant to the President - Jay Lefkowitz

   White House Political Director - Ken Melman

   National Security Study Group - Edward Luttwak

   Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Kenneth Adelman

   Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) - Lawrence (Larry) Franklin

   National Security Council Advisor - Robert Satloff

   President Export-Import Bank U.S. - Mel Sembler

   Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families - Christopher Gersten

   Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs

   - Mark Weinberger

   White House Speechwriter - David Frum

   White House Spokesman (Former) - Ari Fleischer

   Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Henry Kissinger

   Deputy Secretary of Commerce - Samuel Bodman

   Under Secretary of State for Management - Bonnie Cohen

   Director of Foreign Service Institute - Ruth Davis

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   jar50gt

   freedom of speech must really bug you

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   forbiddentruthsystemadmin

   I know LOSS of my freedom of speech scares the hell out of me. They (guess who?) want to silence the TRUTH.

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   Robert Pollard

   While I agree wholeheartedly with the title of this idea, I beg to differ with the proposed solution of imposing censorship, and the characterization of those who are concerned about President Obama's birthplace as "right-wing nuts".

   The remedy, imho, is to make it clear what a "brainstorm idea" is - and what is not - to clearly post the rules and guidelines - including the fact that if an idea has already been expressed, any variant of the idea would be posted as a comment to that idea - and agreement to the rules would be a precondition of registration.

   Improving the Open Government Dialogue Page

   http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/6426-4049

   Additional keywords: rules, guidelines,

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    phylmike34

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    RIP OUR CONSTITUTION TO SHREDS!

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    We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in every case filed over this issue; to make sure that no one has access to his birth certificate.

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    RIP OUR CONSTITUTION TO SHREDS!

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    Mr. Obama has claimed that his Presidential administration will be the most transparent in history. Yet, he will not make public the one document that could end all of the questions about the legitimacy of his election as President.

    And you have to ask yourself, WHY?

    Is it because this is some unimportant "technicality"? No, a requirement of the U. S. Constitution is not a mere "technicality"!

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    Or, is there something more involved?

    Another question that the Obamaphiles don't want to answer is why, in 2005, was a law firm with ties to Mr. Obama researching the question as to how to evade the requirements of Article II of the United States Constitution, regarding the requirements to serve as President. 2005? Three years before the Presidential campaign?

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    And then there's the statements made by representatives of the State of Hawaii!

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    "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

    Exactly what does that mean? If she can access it, why can't we? It is that very record that USJF financed lawsuits in Mississippi and in Hawaii were seeking to force into the public arena! But Obama's attorneys, and his allies in state government, stopped those efforts cold!

    So, the time of decision is now!

    Do we give up?

    Do we just ignore this threat to our Constitution? To our very form of government?

    We here at USJF say NO!

    Now is not the time to give up this fight!

    Now is not the time to walk away from the most important Constitutional battle in our lifetime!

    Now is the time to redouble our efforts to find out the truth!

    Now is the time to tell Barack Hussein Obama that the United States Constitution is far more important than his political ambition!

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    HELP US EXPOSE THE OBAMA COVER-UP -- DON'T LET HIM

    RIP OUR CONSTITUTION TO SHREDS!

    Will you stand with us?

    Sincerely,

    Gary Kreep, Executive Director

    United States Justice Foundation

    P.S. This is the biggest political cover-up in American history! It would be so simple to release the documents to PROVE Obama is a natural-born citizen... IF THEY HAD THE DOCUMENTS!

    Barack Hussein Obama thinks he can get away with DUPING the American people and DESTROYING the U.S. Constitution. DON'T LET HIM DO IT!

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    stealthb2000

    I just want to think you for your good deed, I juat know some of those people are on drugs, or something. Their chemistry is wrong in their brain.

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    p112244

    To stealthb2000--

    Unfortunately, for most liberals their problem is much worse than a temporary state of being on drugs. Medical doctors have diagnosed their problem as a deep seated mental disorder. That is why there is little hope that they are capable of approaching an issue in a rational manner. Almost makes you want to feel sorry for them, doesn't it? You can read about their affliction at:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81033

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