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Financial Punishment for those who HIRE Illegal Aliens

Why Is This Idea Important?: Because of the perception of illegal aliens, American is becoming Xenophobic, afraid of foreigners, and that is America's loss. Any wall around the country has holes. Papers can be forged. Bureaucrats can be bribed. Computers can be hacked. No system is perfect and we should not expect this to be perfect either. What we need is to remove the financial incentive to come here illegally. However, those who hire illegals and have a lot to lose, and who know that they are breaking the rules, need to pay severe financial consequences for what they do.

I grew up with a Green Card. I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants. I do have something against people who think that the immigration rules do not apply to them. It makes the rest pay for their misbehavior.

However, locking up and deporting illegal aliens has been, and continues to be, ineffective, because desperate migrants have little to lose, and even if we dissuade that individual, there are many many more where he or she came from.

The Coyotes who bring illegals into the U.S. only do so because there is demand. They do not generally force people to come here. They only facilitate what the migrant wants to do already. The trick is to reduce the appeal of coming here while breaking the rules.

Most illegal immigrants want to come here for one thing - money. If the jobs were not here for illegals, they would not come.

The people who hire illegals - the restaurant owners, the rich people who want maids and childcare, the HUGE agricultural businesses, do indeed have a lot to lose. If being caught knowingly hiring an illegal caused them to go bankrupt, to lose all of their property, they would stop hiring them. We would not even need to put the responsible parties in jail, which costs something.

We should streamline the paperwork to hire foreign people legally.

We need a process for American foster children whose birth certificates have been lost to get legal paperwork, and we need punishment for the adults responsible for these foster children, and who allowed this to happen.

We should make it easier to be legal, and a lot worse FOR THE EMPLOYER not to be legal.

Submitted by Mary-Anne Wolf 3 years ago

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  1. "We should streamline the paperwork to hire foreign people legally."

    I agree 100% But this is too vague as is. And you are too draconian on employeers of humans without papers.

    We should start processing all humans without papers now. Small fine. Freeze ICE raids. Offer a waiver of fines for those who learn English.

    All persons always deserve positive regard.

    William J. Kelleher, Ph.D.

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  2. We have laws for a reason. Immigrants should come here legally...or not at all. As for those already here, they have broken our laws and must be returned to their homes to make application to the USA via legal channels, at the end of the line, behind all those who have been waiting patiently, and legally.

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  3. Do you REALLY want to force at gun point 12,000,000 human beings with their all their children who were born here, go to school here, have friends and family here, across the border into TJ and make them fill out papers and wait for two or three years?

    Is that you you really believe to be AMERICAN JUSTICE?

    3 years ago
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  4. Is that what you really believe to be AMRICAN JUSTICE?

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  5. One more time:

    Is that what you really believe to be AMERICAN JUSTICE?

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  6. Mary-Anne Wolf Idea Submitter

    I'm not saying that we do something to the immigrants.

    I'm saying we do something to those who HIRE the immigrants.

    Those who are here legally,

    INCLUDING people who were not born here,

    need those jobs.

    3 years ago
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  7. How do you reconcile these two statements by you?

    1. "I'm not saying that we do something to the immigrants.”

    2. “As for those already here, they have broken our laws and must be returned to their homes to make application to the USA via legal channels, at the end of the line, behind all those who have been waiting patiently, and legally.”

    Do you or don’t you want to bus, or otherwise herd, 12,000,000 of our brothers and sisters without a file folder full of papers back to TJ?

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  8. Since the beginning, this country has been built upon the backs of others through slavery, indentured servitude, the hiring of illegal immigrants and those that are made to feel that they have no rights to fair pay and just working environments. True, they might not be bound with physical chains, but it is still modern day slavery. Who would work for $3 an hour in harsh labor conditions that most citizens would sneer at.

    These illegal immigrants aren't taking jobs away from Americans. They do the jobs that Americans don't want. And what does society do? They turn a blind eye in the name of cheaper products and claim ignorance to the abuse.

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  9. Right on, izzymunkey

    Small fine. Freeze ICE raids. Offer a waiver of fines for those who learn English.

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  10. Mary-Anne Wolf Idea Submitter

    William Kelleher asks:

    How do you reconcile these two statements by you?

    1. "I'm not saying that we do something to the immigrants.”

    2. “As for those already here, they have broken our laws and must be returned to their homes to make application to the USA via legal channels, at the end of the line, behind all those who have been waiting patiently, and legally.”

    I respond:

    I said #1, not #2.

    There is no name next to #2 so I don't know who said it.

    Not that it matters, the brainstorming is done. The people who set up this site are on to the next phase.

    3 years ago
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  11. Federation for American Immigration Reform

    Earlier Today, House Appropriators Rejected E-Verify Amendments; Reps. Price,

    Obey, and Wasserman-Schultz Spoke Against These Provisions

    Earlier this morning, the House Appropriations Committee met to write

    the annual Homeland Security spending bill and the annual bill that

    funds Congress for the coming year. At the "mark-up," the

    Committee rejected two E-Verify related amendments to the Homeland

    Security bill and another related to the Legislative Branch spending

    bill. E-Verify is an electronically operated system that ensures

    American jobs go to American workers by allowing employers to quickly

    check the work authorization status of their new hires.

    Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA) -- a true immigration reformer --

    offered an amendment to the Homeland Security bill to extend

    E-Verify. While that bill already contains a short, two-year

    reauthorization of E-Verify, Congressman Calvert knows the true value

    of the program and sought a longer extension of E-Verify. After

    Calvert spoke in support of his amendment, Appropriations Homeland

    Security Subcommittee Chairman, Rep. David Price (D-NC), spoke against the

    amendment. Rep. Price urged the entire Committee to vote

    against the amendment. Then, the Committee Chairman, Rep. David

    Obey (D-WI), spoke against the amendment, as well. Obey argued

    that the Homeland Security spending bill shouldn't contain an E-Verify

    authorization at all!

    Immediately following the rejection of the Calvert Amendment, another

    true immigration reformer -- Representative Jack Kingston (R-GA)

    -- offered an amendment to the Homeland Security bill to require

    companies who contract with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to use

    E-Verify. This common sense amendment would have ensured that contractors who

    do business with DHS -- the same agency

    tasked with enforcing our immigration laws -- do not hire illegal

    aliens. Congressman Price AGAIN spoke in opposition to the

    Kingston amendment, erroneously claiming that E-Verify is inaccurate

    and that the program would be unable to handle the expansion to DHS

    contractors. Even though Congressman Kingston pointed out that

    DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano stated last month that the program

    could indeed handle a large-scale expansion, and that the program has

    an incredible accuracy rate of 99.6%, the House Appropriations

    Committee still rejected the amendment!

    Later in the morning, Congressman Kingston attempted to attach a

    similar E-Verify amendment to the Legislative Branch spending

    bill. This provision would have required contractors who do

    business with the U.S. Congress to use E-Verify. This time,

    Appropriations Legislative Branch Subcommittee Chairwoman Debbie

    Wasserman-Schultz (D-FL) urged the Committee to reject the Kingston

    Amendment.

    In speaking out against these amendments, Reps. Price, Obey, and

    Wasserman-Schultz effectively urged their colleagues to not only put

    the E-Verify program in jeopardy, but also ensure that illegal aliens

    can continue to work on federal contracts with DHS and the U.S.

    Congress!

    We need you to call the following Members of Congress who spoke

    against E-Verify TODAY:

    Rep. David Price: (202) 225-1784

    Rep. David Obey: (202) 225-3365

    Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz: (202) 225-7931

    Tell these Members that they need to get their facts straight.

    Tell them:

    * 14.5 million Americans are out of work and millions more are

    underemployed.

    * Americans, not illegal aliens, should be hired for any available

    jobs.

    * E-Verify is highly effective, and it works to protect American

    jobs!!!

    * Congress needs to start standing up for American workers, and

    not special interests!!

    Also, please call Rep. Calvert and Rep. Kingston, and thank them for

    standing up on behalf of American Workers!

    Rep. Ken Calvert: (202) 225-1986

    Rep. Jack Kingston: (202) 225-5831

    3 years ago
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  12. DON’T BE FOOLED!

    “Federation for American Immigration Reform” is a people hating rightist organization.

    E-Verify would immediately deprive an innocent Hispanic person, or other human being, who wants to work from getting hired because of a non-verification of legal residency on a government web site. A person who was born here, and so has no papers, could be refused a job!

    Even a person with papers, who did not get “verified” by the government web site could be denied employment. It could take months to correct any mistakes on the government web site.

    "99.6%" accuracy is BS! Government bureaucrats put in the data. They makes lots of errors!

    E-Verify is guaranteed to cause needless hardship and injustice to the innocent. That is why non-people hating Congresspersons rejected it!

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