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End Imperial Presidency

Leave the White House less imperial than you found it. Appoint an independent prosecutor to prosecute Bush, Cheney, and their top officials in order to deter in the future the crimes of aggressive war, misleading congress, defrauding congress, misspending funds, war crimes, murder, warrantless spying, torture, domestic propaganda, violations of the Hatch Act and the Voting Rights Act, obstruction of justice, misprision of felony, retaliating against whistleblowers, etc. Restore to Congress the power to legislate, the power to begin and end wars, the power to raise and spend money, the power to approve or reject treaties and appointments, and the power to oversee the functioning of the federal government including through the power of impeachment and the power of inherent contempt. That means no more signing statements rewriting laws, and instead support for legislation that would criminalize such behavior. And it means similar action on each of the other offenses.

We, the people, must:

Demand that Congress ban the use of funds for any activities created in violation of the law by presidential signing statements.

Amend the Constitution to clearly ban the use of presidential pardons to pardon crimes authorized by the president.

Amend the War Powers Act and the Constition to include the requirement that Congressional authorizations of war include time limits of no more than 12 months, after which Congress must vote again to extend the war or end it, to disallow the unconstitutional initiation of wars without Congressional approval, and to make the law enforceable.

Make war profiteering by any war maker a major felony. This would apply to any employee of the federal government or anyone who had within the past decade been an employee of the federal government.

Legislate a requirement that, in any war, the military aged children and grandchildren of the president, the vice president, all cabinet officials, and all Congress members serve on the front lines in the most dangerous combat positions -- no exceptions, no exemptions.

Prohibit the use of mercenaries or any armed contractors, as well as the use of any military force on American soil except when directly engaged in defensive war against a foreign nation.

Repeal the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, the 2008 FISA Amendments Act, the Protect America Act, the original Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, and the PATRIOT Act.

Ban secret budgets, secret laws, and secret agencies.

Change the Senate rules to eliminate the filibuster.

Create a task force to research whether the Senate has ever served any useful purpose not better served by the House.

End all rendition, as distinct from extradition.

Amend the Constitution to make the ban on ex-post-facto laws include any laws that would retroactively grant immunity for crimes.

Amend the Constitution to bar the vice president from exercising executive power.

Amend the Constitution to clarify the congressional power of inherent contempt.

Amend the Constitution to include the right to vote and to have one's vote counted publicly at the polling place.

Give Washington, D.C., full voting representation in Congress.

Amend the Constitution to ban private financing of campaigns, create public financing, and provide free air time to candidates.

Sign and ratify the Rome treaty to join the International Criminal Court.

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OPTIONAL PART 2 OF THIS PROPOSAL - Drafted and withheld at first, posted May 29th in response to useful comments from ttahiti and many others posted below.

Release more evidence, and support organizations suing in court for the release of evidence.

Ask Congress to update and reissue the subpoenas that were refused during the 110th Congress, and to enforce them through inherent contempt.

Support media reform and independent media outlets. Break up the monopolies. Invest in public media, including an E-Span election network to provide free substantive election coverage.

Advance a long-term vision in which the corrupting influences of money, media, and party are restrained, and our rights are restored, enforced, and expanded, including the right to vote and to have our votes counted publicly and locally, equal rights for all, environmental rights, the right to education and healthcare, worker rights, the right to basic welfare, freedom of press, freedom from war lies, and the right to know your rights.

Push for approval, ratification, and enforcement of international human rights treaties. Build toward Constitutional amendments or a convention with a plan to establish the right to know the laws and to have them applied equally, a ban on signing statements, whistleblowers protected, inherent contempt established, corporations stripped of human rights, monopolies restricted, clean campaign money and free media created, the power of parties reduced, nonpartisan (not bipartisan) redistricting, limiting election seasons, no more electoral college, a bigger House with no Senate, the right to be represented, no appointing of senators, limiting terms for judges, requiring a balanced budget, limiting bills to single topics and requiring clarity, allowing legislation by public initiative, allowing recall elections, creating citizen assemblies, and developing a fourth (people's) branch of government.

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Comments (231)

  1. Count on a lot of negative votes from the drones monitoring this. The "closed circle" around tyhe imperial presidency probably fought against this forum, and then did everything they could to minimize its use: Memorial Day week-end, no federal employee announcement, no real publicity nation side.....

    I support this idea and hope that active citizens will overpower the drones that are voting against good valid ideas such as this one.

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  2. AMEN to this and Robert David Steele's comments!

    Outraged Amy

    We have 'President Obusha'.

    THAT IS NOT CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

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  3. I voted neg for the reason I don't like the sounds of hate in the writing, it put questions to mind of your real motives. I don't work for the government...

    would or do you expect retaliation for my optioning Robert? I do.

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  4. david Idea Submitter

    I don't know what it means to option Robert or whether you're asking Robert about something called optioning, but please be reassured that I don't hate or even dislike you in the slightest :-)

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  5. Sorry, my comment was to the comment made by Robert David STEELE.

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  6. The only thing I do not support in this is removing the Senate - otherwise I support the ideas presented

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  7. I don't know that there is a chance in hell of having the children of our leaders serve on the front lines... but it surely would be an 'equitable' solution, one that would diminish this desire to wage war on everyone.

    About the Senate... why not? It's a throwback to the government by the landed and educated (male) gentry... the House is much more 'democratic.'

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  8. Stop illegal preemptive racist genocidal wars. These wars are wrong. They do not protect Americans' freedom. They endanger our freedoms. Veterans like Matthew Alexander, the senior military interrogator for the task force that tracked down Abu Musab al-Zarqawi testified to these facts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYov5o5_2s).

    Veterans continually protest that these wars are for profiteering corporations. They don't know what they were figjhting for. Afghnaistan is another Vietnam as Andrew bacevich has tesified to Congress.

    See the facts: http://stopwar.lafilmonline.com

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  9. I'm not real happy that a bug in the software resulted in me being able to vote on this matter. I certainly didn't vote for it.

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  10. Well, first of all, you do realize that it was Barack Obama that we elected, don't you?

    I would love to have been able to have voted for Dennis Kucinich, but unfortunately it didn't work out that way.

    You're trying to draw milk from a horse.

    One of the things we on the Left always allow to trip us out is impatience. Did you honestly think our agenda would reach it's goals in the first year of a Democratic Centrist President's tenure?

    Achieving these goals is a long term effort that requires a lifetime of commitment. Barack Obama is not the answer, but he can get things started for the next, more Liberal leader. And he's doing exactly that.

    A foundation to build on. And if we continue to vote for "change", regardless of the candidate who offers it, we will make progress. But it won't be all happy happy joy joy over night.

    It's going to take more than just a President to enact such reform, it takes a congress void of Republicans and Blue Dogs and we don't have that. Not yet anyway.

    Not a bad list, needs careful refinement. Dump the "eliminate the Senate" stuff.

    ICC? Susan Rice already stated the administration's willingness to be involved.

    If we amend the Constitution to bar the vice president from exercising executive power who would lead if the President dies? Pelosi? LOL

    Maybe less amending the Constitution and more focus on grooming the right people to run for office.

    Oh, and the original email that led me here stated that "bringing BushCo to justice" was "number one question to Obama online" when in fact that was Marijuana legalization.

    Better get that part right. Helping people who are sick, dying and languishing in prison takes clear priority over revenge against BushCo. As sweet as it might be.

    Keep up the good work.

    ;)

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  11. You also might want to find out why this page has me listed as "admin". Your pants may be down.

    Regards,

    captainkona

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  12. NOW IS IT PERFECTLY CLEAR

    that our American government is run by the BILDERBERGS

    “Obama is Bilderberg’s obedient little boy. He’ll follow orders.”

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    Obama officials gave Bilderberg briefings

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    Media,

    Timothy Geithner,

    Paul Volcker,

    Bilderberg Group,

    Richard Holbrooke,

    James Steinberg,

    Keith Alexander,

    Tom Donilon,

    Larry Summers

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22957_Page2.html#ixzz0Gced02Oz&B

    By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 5/26/09 3:55 AM EDT

    A handful of high-ranking Obama administration officials this month delivered private briefings at the annual invitation-only conference held by an elite international organization known as the Bilderberg group.

    The closed meeting of some of the most powerful business, media and political leaders in North America and Western Europe heard from top Obama diplomats James Steinberg and Richard Holbrooke, who detailed the administration’s foreign policy, while economic adviser Paul Volcker, chairman of President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board, also gave a presentation at the heavily guarded seaside resort in Greece that hosted the event.

    The Bilderberg group, which takes its name from the Dutch hotel where it held its first meeting in 1954, exists solely to bring together between 100 and 150 titans of politics, finance, military, industry, academia and media from North America and Western Europe once a year to discuss world affairs.

    Its ultra-exclusive roster of globally influential figures has captured the interest of an international network of conspiracists, who for decades have viewed the Bilderberg conference as a devious corporate-globalist scheme.

    This year’s closed-press meeting, held at the five-star Astir Palace hotel in Vouliagmeni on the Aegean Sea about 25 miles south of Athens, marked the 57th gathering of the opaque organization.

    The publicity-shy Bilderberg group – which in a rare mass-circulation press release last year described itself as “a small, flexible, informal and off-the-record international forum in which different viewpoints can be expressed and mutual understanding enhanced” – has no website and participants are asked not to publicly discuss the proceedings.

    But a meeting attendee tells POLITICO that Holbrooke, a State Department special envoy, briefed attendees on the Obama administration’s unified approach to dealing with Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Steinberg, the deputy secretary of state, gave a presentation on the administration’s broader foreign policy and National Security Agency Director Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander also participated in the conference.

    An assistant to Volcker said she did not know the subject of his presentation at this year’s meeting. A White House official stressed that Volcker is not a full-time employee and wasn’t representing Obama in Greece. The White House, State Department and NSA did not respond to questions about whether Alexander, Holbrooke and Steinberg – all repeat Bilderberger attendees – were representing the Obama administration at the meeting and whether tax dollars paid for their travel.

    Steinberg, it should be noted, was in the region on official business for talks with officials from Greece, Macedonia and Montenegro, on the eve of Vice President Joe Biden’s trip to other Balkan states: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo and Serbia.

    Though Bilderberg tends to attract mostly former U.S. government officials, it’s not uncommon for sitting officials to attend.

    Bilderberg stalwart Henry Kissinger, who’s attended more than half of its meetings, reportedly went at least twice during his stint as Secretary of State, while Alexander attended last year’s session as NSA director. In 2004, then-Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) attended the Bilderberg conference in Stresa, Italy, and both TIME magazine and the New York Times reported that his performance at a debate there played a role in his selection one month later as the vice presidential running mate for Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.

    But any suggestion that Bilderberg is secretly anointing world leaders or plotting global policy is the provenance of “the black helicopter crowd,” the attendee of this year’s conference told POLITICO.

    The meetings are “one of the least well-kept secrets in the world” and “don’t have any decision-making authority,” said the attendee, who did not want to be identified breaching Bilderberg’s off-the-record rule. The attendee called Bilderberg “a useful group of people who are well-connected and thoughtful who put on these meetings and usually invite a few people from the [U.S.] administration to come so they understand what the administration is doing

    Obama’s Deputy National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, who attended the 2007 and 2008 Bilderberg meetings and until recently sat on the steering committee that picked invitees, did not respond to a request for comment about how invitees are selected.

    Other American participants at this year’s conference included World Bank President Robert Zoellick, billionaire Bilderberg regular David Rockefeller, academic Barnett Rubin and leading neoconservatives Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, according to the attendee, who added that Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis and Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis also attended.

    British press confirmed that top U.K. official Peter Mandelson was there.

    Representatives of Obama economic advisor Larry Summers and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner – both of whom have participated in past Bilderberg meetings – refuted foreign press reports predicting their presence last weekend.

    Geithner was in New York, said Treasury spokeswoman Heather Wong. “I don’t know how that [Bilderberg rumor] got out there. I had some foreign press calls asking me where he was last weekend, but I didn’t have any domestic calls.”

    Indeed, the gathering produced barely a blip in the American mainstream media, with the only notable dispatches coming from a Wall Street Journal reporter who was barred entry to the usually publicly accessible Astir Palace hotel, and an Associated Press reporter who noted that it was being protected by “hundreds of police, navy commandos, coast guard speedboats and two F-16 fighter planes.”

    As in past years, the near-absence of mainstream media coverage left Bilderberg-veil-piercing duties to a group of self-styled Bilderberg hunters whose reporting and speculation fill fringe, libertarian-leaning websites, newspapers and AM radio shows popular with those whose worldview is characterized by a deep and angry suspicion of the ruling class rather than any prevailing partisan or ideological affiliation.

    “Leaked Agenda: Bilderberg Group Plans Economic Depression,” blared a headline early this month on the popular website Infowars, which is run by syndicated radio talk show host Alex Jones.

    The story was based on reporting by veteran Bilderberg sleuth Daniel Estulin, whose sources told him Bilderbergers were torn between whether to initiate “a prolonged, agonizing depression that dooms the world to decades of stagnation, decline and poverty … or an intense-but-shorter depression that paves the way for a new sustainable economic world order, with less sovereignty but more efficiency.”

    Estulin, the author of “The True Story of the Bilderberg Group,” claims to have infiltrated Bilderberg, and he told POLITICO that “in the end, the shorter-intense crowd within the Bilderbergers won out and so we’re going to be looking at a year, a year-and-a-half of really intense financial meltdown.”

    Estulin, who was the first to report the precise location of Bilderberg 2009 (though in late 2007 he also reported that U.S. intelligence was considering assassinating Texas GOP Congressman and libertarian icon Ron Paul), declined to email POLITICO a copy of the pre-meeting booklet on which his story was based.

    Both Estulin and Jim Tucker, another veteran Bilderberg hunter, insisted that Geithner—who Infowars reported was “to take orders from global elite at Bilderberg”—attended this year’s conference.

    Tucker, who edits the nationalist American Free Press newspaper, traveled to Greece to report on last weekend’s Bilderberg meeting. He says he’s been on the sidelines of about 30 of the meetings. At this year’s event, two of his reporters were confronted by the Greek Navy when they rented a boat to try to take photographs of beachside Bilderbergers from the sea, he said.

    “They don’t want the world to know how they’re planning our lives,”

    Tucker contended.

    “Obama is Bilderberg’s obedient little boy. He’ll follow orders.”

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  13. The evidence is in... 'Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe', a peer-reviewed scientific paper has recently been published in the Open Chemical Physics Journal detailing the use of nanothermite to bring down the three buildings in NYC on 9/11 by controlled demolition. We must demand a new, thorough and "independent" 9/11 investigation now for the 9/11 victims, their families and all those lives lost from this prefabricated war on terrorism.

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  14. Actually, I forgot to mention that I have issues with the vice-president suggestion. If there is a problem that requires immediate action in case of an inability of the president to serve, I have no issues with the vice-president taking over. One can then seek his/her impeachment if the situation warrants it.

    I do agree with most of Captain Kona's comments... we did not, alas, elect Kucinich, so the thing is to keep up the pressure on the man we did elect. The flip-flopping I can do without.

    http://americaisnotacountry.blogspot.com

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  15. david Idea Submitter

    If a vice president runs the country, the president cannot be impeached because everyone can scream "WHAT do you want a president Cheney???" knowing that he's already guilty of the same crimes. So you have to impeach the Veep and then the Prez, and that's too much for poor wittle congress members to contemplate. But if the Veep sticks to his or her constitutional role of serving as president of the Senate and existing in case the president can no longer serve, then the president is indeed "unitary" and can be held accountable and can be replaced by a vice president not responsible for the impeachable offenses.

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  16. david Idea Submitter

    I thought pot smokers were not supposed to see the world through eyes of vengeance? Legalizing pot is indeed far more important than somebody's petty revenge. But more important than either is the sort of reform described in the above proposal.

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  17. I completely support all of David's statement but would like to include ending the Animal Enterprise Terrorist Act. It's a outrageous denial of Constitutional Rights.

    Not that I expected miracles from the new administration, but I'm certainly more disappointed than I hoped to be, especially on foreign policy issues. So many promises broken. So many dead because of it.

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  18. Hi, This to folks who like the general idea with exception of abolishing the senate. If you think about it, does it really make sense for two people from every state to have the same say in things, not to mention what compromises and campaign contributions have been made to get there? I'm reminded of a story about a holiday where the youngest generation's girl asked her mom "why do you cut off both ends of the ham, Mama?" "I don't know, that's what my mom always did." So they ask G'ma who replies "Just did it the way my Mama taught me." and they find Great Grandma and ask her why the ends were cut off the ham and she said "The largest pan I had couldn't fit a whole ham, so I cut the ends off." So, just because you're used to having a senate which has really not proved to be at all useful if you are

    one of "the people", look at what progress they have handily managed to keep Congress from doing. If your senator is one you like, you can help them be a member of the house of representatives, the body that is elected to represent you, because there are quite a few congress folks that need replacing.

    I hope everyone takes a few minutes to send this to everyone they know.

    Peace if we want it bad enough and make some time to create it.

    Thank you, David, for putting this out here.

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  19. WE THE PEOPLE

    OF THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA

    DECLARE AND PETITION CONGRESS WITHOUT REDRESS

    THAT WE ENJOIN WITH PLENARY POWERS AT THIS DATE

    AS THE VESTED HIGHEST RANKING CONTROLLING

    COMMUNED MEMBERS OF WE THE PEOPLE

    IN THE CONGRESS AND SENATE

    FROM THIS DATE HENCE FORTH

    TO SET ARIGHT THE WRONGS THUS DONE

    AND RETURN OUR GOVERNING OF

    THE PEOPLE TO THE STATE IT WAS DECLARED TO BE

    ALIGNED WITH THE LAWS HELD SACRED IN OUR

    CONSTITUTION

    WE THE PEOPLE declare that when a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of WE THE PEOPLE, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted; and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression: when the Constitution of our country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of our government has been forcible changed, without WE THE PEOPLES consent, from a federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded by that of Federal Investigative and Enforcement Law and the past and present Executive Branch of the Federal Government and all that have become appointed and employees to duties both are the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the ever-ready minions of power, and the usual instrument of tyrants: when, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is, at length, so far lost by those in power that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms, themselves, of the constitution discontinued; and so far from their petitions and remonstrance's being disregarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into all sorts of terror filled restraints inclusive prisons of despair, and mercenary agents and armies are sent forth to force sovereign nations upon them at the point of the tools of war: when, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of our federal government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements; in such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable right of WE THE PEOPLE to appeal to first principles and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme case, enjoins it as a right towards themselves and a sacred obligation to their posterity to impeach, try, convict, fine, banish without impunity such federal government elected executives, employees, appointees, envoys and to cause to be constitutionally elicited worthy others to be empowered as substitutes in lieu of the next term of elected officials to resume elected powers, calculated to rescue WE THE PEOPLE from impending dangers, and to secure our future welfare and happiness.

    I.

    We declare and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People as a body of lawmakers and we as those who enjoin are responsible and amenable for our acts to the public opinion of mankind. A statement of a part of our grievances is, therefore, submitted to an impartial world, in justification of the hazards but unavoidable step now taken of severing our political support and connection with the present Congress, Senate and Executive Branch of our Federal government and assuming an attitude of remorse for our CONGRESS allowed and empowered actions amiss among those mentioned nations of the earth.

    II.

    Our present past and present Executive leadership [hereafter called it], by its illicit pre-planed war intentions, convinced WE THE PEOPLE and CONGRESS by deception and the horrors inflicted on our soil after 911 that war was imminent. Then induced the American population to pledge their faith to war efforts to restrain, restrict and rid our nation from more acts of terrorism. Thus in so doing WE THE PEOPLE should continue to enjoy our constitution liberty and democratic government to which we had been habituated in the land of our birth, the United States of America. In this expectation they have cruelly disappointed, and have acquiesced in their changes made in the government by it who having altered substantively the constitution of this county, and now offers us the cruel alternation either to abandon our people property and liberties, or submit to the most intolerable of all tyranny, the combined despotism of Federal Law Enforcement and Armies and the vile contemptible past and present Executive Branch of our government.

    III.

    It has sacrificed our people property and welfare toward war efforts in the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan by which our interests have been continually depressed through a jealous and partial course of legislation, and carried on at a far removed from saneness and alien to consent seat of our government, by a hostile Executive majority, and this, too notwithstanding we have petitioned in the humblest terms for CONGRESS to enforce the LAWS of impeachment in accordance with the provisions of the United State Constitution. And WE THE PEOPLE have presented in the media and Internet and to CONGRESS our pleas and without just cause, ALL have been contemptuously rejected.

    IV.

    It has failed and refused to secure absolute justice and has implemented such into the PATRIOT ACT, on a firm basis, the right of trial by jury, that palladium of civil liberty, and only safe guarantee for the life, liberty, and property of all peoples.

    V.

    It has failed to empower more and bring sober judgments and sound resolutions too our public system of education, although possessed of almost boundless resource [public domain] and, although it is an axiom, in political science, that unless a people are educated and enlightened, It is idle to expect the continuance of civil liberty or the capacity for self-government.

    VI.

    It has suffered the Federal Investigative and Enforcers of law officials, and their employees and emissaries stationed among us and abroad, to exercise arbitrary acts of secrecy ambiguity oppression and tyranny; thus trampling upon the most sacred rights of the citizen and rendering the military superior to civil power.

    VII.

    It has dissolved, by force of arms, the nations of Iraq and Afghanistan and obliged the indigenous contiguous people to flee for their lives and from their people and property and seats of governments; thus depriving them of their fundamental rights of life and political right of representation.

    VIII.

    It has demanded the surrender of a number of their citizens, and ordered military detachments to seize and carry them into prisons for trial; in contempt of the civil authorities, and in defiance of the laws of those nations.

    IX.

    It has made piratical attacks upon our treasuries, by commissioning national and foreign desperadoes and mercenaries and Federal Law Enforcement authorizing them to lay claim to territories alien to our core needs. And to expend our national treasuries on the unprovoked wars and enormous buildup of long-term military installations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And to seize property of Iraq and Afghanistan citizens in confiscation for the intended use of the energy barons.

    X.

    It denies us the right of worshiping the Almighty according to the dictates of our own religious zeal conscience and independent commitment to the our GOD, by the illicit use of our personal and combined treasuries and the unconscionable treatment of our military men and women many dying in vain for the needless and endless wars, all calculated to promote the temporal financial interest of its servile alliances to the tyrannical barons of industry, energy and communications rather than the glory of the true and living Creator.

    XI.

    It has constrained us to take away our voice of dissent, which is essential to our defense, the rightful voice of freemen, and precursor to a formidable foe only to tyrannical governments.

    XII.

    It has invaded our homes and homeland with intent to lay waste our territory and elicit safety and security from our homes; and now has a large mercenary of armies at its disposal soon to be advancing to carry on against us and others wars on terror in selective extermination.

    XIII.

    It has, through its secret emissaries, incited the merciless savage, with, sophisticated weapons of war to massacre inhabitants in our offensive invading wars against hapless defenseless nations.

    XIV.

    It has been, during the entire time of our allegiance with it, made contemptible sport and victim of us with it successive laid claims as intolerable revolutionaries towards our constitution, and us and has continually exhibited every characteristic of a weak, corrupt, and tyrannical government led by the wishes of those who have a will to destroy.

    XV.

    These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by WE THE PEOPLE until they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up our combined voice again in defense of the national constitution. We appealed to our brethren for assistance. Our appeals thus far have been made in vain. Through months and even years have elapsed. No sympathetic response has yet been heard from CONGRESS. We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion that the past and present Executive Branch has acquiesced in the destruction of our liberty, and the substitution therefore of a military government--that they insist we are unfit to be free and incapable of self-government.

    XVI.

    The necessity of our mortal and immortal self-preservation, therefore, now decrees our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People to indict and/or impeach try convict fine and banish with out impunity enablers makers and profiteers of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the inclusive war on terror and the enablers and makers of our present financial crisis.

    XVII.

    It has suffered a disproportion of illicit terror on the estimated 750,000 morally sound and believer in the Creator of all fellow believers in Iraq many tens of thousands have left their homes, land people and property fleeing from Iraq during our war efforts for fear of their lives. Thus ridding the commands of our Creator as null and void.

    WE THE PEOPLE, therefore, as the constitutional empowered delegates, with plenary powers, of the people of the United States of America, in solemn sober and resolute connectivity have assembled, appealing to a candid world for the necessities of our conditions, do hereby resolve and declare that our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People. Thus proving that we have severed our political connection with the present Executive Branch of our nation to wit has ended; and that WE THE PEOPLE do now constitute a free, sovereign, and independent highest ranking voice, and are fully invested with all the rights and attributes which properly belong to independent people; and conscious of the rectitude of our intentions, we have fearlessly and confidently committed these issues to the decision of the Supreme Arbiter of the destiny of each as individuals and of WE THE PEOPLE .

    Thus I_______________________________do solemnly swear by a formal oath and by the testament of my name that I am a conjoined contiguous solicitous one of WE THE PEOPLE. And too that extent I fully agree with this------the Collaborated Petition with Pleadings and Demand made on our CONGRESS.

    WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATES ---WTPA JOIN IN WE NEED YOU TODAY to aid US in the Grass Roots Actions needed for forming our own truth filled lobby [LEGAL REPRESENTATION] in Washington DC to power push our VOICES and VOTES of the people for ALL our rights to life in acts of equity with Justice on the books as Law.

    Dwight Baker Chairman PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853 Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077 Contact E-mail dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  20. Hello All

    Your goals are admirable. But sending something like that writing above by Robert David Steele to the government, even though I basically agree with a lot of it, goes wildly too far. You have to start where we are, I think. If you maybe would stick to two of your points - lobbying for prosecuting Cheney and Bush and amending the War Powers Act to put time limits on wars, then in a letter to the government you might get some real attention. (Probably not, of course.) This stuff goes so ridiculously far you could be easily dismissed as nuts raving. I think you should try to be intellengent and reasonable people in public, not wild immature revolutionaries (in dreamworld) with demeands, because there is a lot of potential support for you, a lot of people don't trust the government any more. I too think Obama's with the Bilderbergers...

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  21. david Idea Submitter

    You may say I'm a dreamer ...

    I hope some day you will join us.

    :-)

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  22. I agree with it all. And to anybody that says it's too much to ask for or demand: you can never demand too much justice.

    The part about the V.P. doesn't mean the V.P. couldn't take over for the Prez in event of emergency. It's talking about the V.P. exercising presidential powers while the President is still in power like Cheney did under Bush.

    I would also add Stop The Drug War to this since that is really just a way to take our rights away.

    Let's all keep dreaming... and working for justice!

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  23. Seems to me I got into an "in crowd " that has it own agenda of mum boo jumbo. KEEP DREAMING get a real life. We must wake up stand up speak out stop the madness right now or nothing is going to be left but a bunch of morons doing moronic stuff. While the bandits run off with our country lock stock and barrel.

    So go on with your chitchat nonsense and turn off the lights when you are through --- or else maybe the light bill won’t get paid and they will go off by themselves.

    Wake up men you sound like mice.

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  24. TELL ME WHO WHAT WHEN HOW AND WHY? SPENT OUR MONEY!

    Now there we all go. That is what our laws that get through Congress and the Senate are about. Way too much for them and us to comprehend but sad to say that is just the way our bad and going worse Federal Government works. Our big fat checkbook and they spend like crazy. Why just because we let them. That is right we could call a halt to their spending spree, if we really wanted. But, do you want to stop their spending spree?

    What I have to say about that today is just too much mum boo jumbo. Seems no one that goes before Congress or the Senate can answer plain and simple questions, as in the title, about money. And when push comes to shove the ones to answer just keep on dodging. Sounds a bit like trying to get answers out of a gone wild teenager.

    A good friend of mine sent me a bill before a State to be voted on. My nine-year-old grandson could have done better. What the bill finally said ---we want to spend your money for something not real sure for what---- you might get some benefits ----but that is still to be determined ---- but give us an approval to write some checks and maybe someday it might or might not all work out.

    So what are we to do, as a people? Easy answer --- We must have those we trust to do our legal bidding and battle for us on Capitol Hill. And that is that.

    We must as a coalition take our power [3 to 5 million of us] to Congress and the Senate and say boys and girls we come to have the final and most powerful vote on all issues. So move over give us a seat or get out.

    Now how hard would that be? We 3 to 5 million strong can do that make monthly pledges hire our own attorneys and experts to do what we want. We must fight the battles with lawyers on our side the best in the west. See folks that are what lobbyist are and what they do. They wage war against us now----so to get an even chance we must do the same thing.

    So bottom line WE MUST TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK. We own it not them---they are our servants just getting paid to do what we tell them too but they have forgotten to whom they serve.

    THE VOICES FOR WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATES ---WTPA for Grass Roots Actions needed for forming our own truth filled lobby in Washington DC to power push our VOICES and VOTES of the people for our rights to life in acts of equity with Justice.

    Dwight Baker Chairman PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853 Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077 Contact E-mail dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  25. This sounds like a big proposal with too many points rolled into it. But I think it works. It's getting a good response and the points are relative to each other. It's not like it would be considered as all or nothing anyway. But with a lot of votes it might make a splash. I think a lot of people agree with most of these points.

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  26. I think it's going too far; this form was to be Ideas to better -not knock down our standing government.

    All that would happen is a replacement of chaos and start the process all over again. Plus who do you think would be in the new order? Human beings...so you won’t wipe out the greed and corruption no matter how much ranting is done.

    I think it would better to be productive and work to better what we have then push us back a few hundred years of progress.

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  27. Josh Senecal There is no other way but this one---We must rule ourselves---Now how----only 1 to 3.8% of the people care enough to get involved but they the larger percent are good to the core Americans. The 3 to 5 million of us would be from the grass roots up first in TownHall type internet meetings--then that info would go to the districts---then up to the 50 regions then complied to go on into DC. In DC we will have three boards of directors that will govern what is done for the people needs wants and wishes. Grass roots board of directors will have the most power, the other two ---Founders---and Star powers in acitons will have a say also. Once decesions are made our cadre of good Lawyers will go to work to make all happen. The RULE OF LAW is our only salvation.

    FAMOUS QUOTES BY FREDRICK DOUGLAS 1818 ----- 1885

    America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future.

    At a time like this, a scorching iron, not convincing argument, is needed.

    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong, which will be imposed on them.

    I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence.

    If there is no struggle, there is no progress.

    It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men.

    It is not light that we need, but fire; it is not the gentle shower, but thunder. We need the storm, the whirlwind, and the earthquake.

    No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.

    Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

    The life of a nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful, and virtuous.

    The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose.

    The thing worse than rebellion is the thing that causes rebellion.

    To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker.

    Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.

    WE THE PEOPLE IN UNITY

    In 2008 We the People in Unity and the United States of America People in general came together for an historic moment in our nation’s history, when we formally through our voices and votes revolted peacefully against the leadership in the Republican and Democratic Party who had Stolen from Generations – those many young the Stolen Generation that were born during the eight years of the GW Bush administration that had their virtue stolen. The many young and old people alike who were intricately and forcibly cheated lied too stolen from and some lost their lives for the many despot tyrannical actions imposed on them by the GW Bush Administration. And in the end many were [with intent by the GW Bush Administration] isolated from and some removed from their families, friends’ next of kin and their communities and have been made to suffer through the contemptible policies, sanctions and precepts in actions of past governments aligned with and as forerunners to the GW Bush administration.

    We have said sorry to the many afflicted during our lifetime for the laws and policies of successive city, state and federal government that inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on our fellow Americans, in particular the Stolen Generation – those who are suffering from the hurt, the humiliation, the cruelty and the sheer brutality of being taken mentally and oft times physically from their born cores in life their mothers and their fathers, their families and their people and their innate born hope for a life with rights.

    This reckoning of this dark chapter of our nation’s history has also been about recognizing past wrongdoings and in a modest legal but forthright way standing up and shouting out as a people in unity demanding for righting the wrongs of the past. The reckoning has been our first step.

    Therefore our goal of the people at large has been to move forward together as a unified nation, and build a stronger and fairer America in the twenty-first century, we are now being called on again to take a stand once more and call on the Barack Obama administration to address the appalling gap between the life opportunities enjoyed by the 99% of our population the working class and the mega wealthy barons in receipt of the spoils of war comprising 1% of our population native to or immigrants from other nations but all living in the boundaries with safety in our United States of America.

    Throughout the history of our great nations growth children born to the working class has had far less and limited opportunities than a Opulent Rich Aristocratic east coast blue blood families. We the people in Unity are resolutely determined to change this reality.

    Closing the Gap is fundamentally important to building a fairer America. In the later decades of the twentieth century, our nation implemented some important legal reforms that recognized the equality and equity of all born in our Abundant and Great American Nation becoming the law. While legal rights are essential for overcoming entrenched disadvantage, rights alone cannot close the gap. They only establish a foundation for making progress.

    The challenge we now confront is to work together to close the gap in real life outcomes between working class and the Overtly Privileged Aristocrats, Americans. This is the objective to which We the people in Unity are committed, but we cannot achieve on its own. As a nation founded on the rule of LAW we must come together around this vision and take substantive action – for the rights of the working class and the privileged Aristocratic to be ferreted out in rights to life for all in acts of equity in justice. Then those processes must continue throughout in each state, city and county governments, business small and large and in the wider greater community. And in the end strict accounting of the progress must become a mater of law with enforcement.

    This is an historic achievement for We the People in Unity to have such an agreement. It is the first time that a truly national commitment – encompassing all governments – has been made that aims to ensure that all born in the United States of America have an equitable share in the opportunities, which our nation offers.

    At the same time We the People in Unity must be realistic and acknowledge the size of the task ahead of us. Meeting our targets will not be easy, and at times may be controversial, but we must not be deflected from our goals.

    This statement outlines We the People in Unity approach to closing the Gap. It describes progress in our first phase, and sets out our priorities for the future. There is much to be done, and it will require patience, perseverance and a sustained national effort from every part of the American community. In the years ahead, we aim to report annually on the progress America is making towards this national objective to all and to our vast and worldwide community of Nations.

    We the People in Unity

    Declare

    When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of WE THE PEOPLE, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted falters and fails in substantive issues, matters and things we must re-institute in a legal form for our voices and votes to be heard.

    And so far the present form of our Federal Government has not been a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, but has become an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression:

    When the Constitution of our country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of our government has been forcibly changed, without WE THE PEOPLE consent, from a democratic republic, composed of sovereign states change must come and quickly.

    Our Federal Government has in many ways become a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest if pursued could degenerate the Rights of the Life of its citizens by the Federal Investigative and Enforcement Law.

    And in the recent past our Executive Branch of the Federal Government and all that become appointed and employees to duties both have proved to be the eternal enemies of our civil liberties and have made visible the ever-ready minions of power, the usual instrument of tyrants and to that end we as a People must demand indictments be brought to bear on the offenders in perfecting the laws of our Constitution.

    When, long after the spirit of the Constitution has departed, those in power at length, so far lose moderation that even the semblance of freedom has been removed and to that end we as a People must take up a legal stand to demand change.

    And when all the forms of the Constitution has been discounted and discontinued to a meaningless set of laws and edicts for which all citizens should abide by and live we, as People must demand a legal oversight for change.

    And so far many petitions and remonstrance's have been regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into all sorts of terror filled restraints inclusive prisons of despair, and mercenary agents and armies have been dispatched to force sovereign citizens in America and some in other Nations at the point of the tools of war:

    And when, the present matters of great concern if not stopped now the consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of our federal government, anarchy will prevail, and our civil society will be dissolved into its original elements.

    In such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable right of WE THE PEOPLE to appeal to first principles and take their political affairs into our own hands in extreme case, enjoins it as a right towards us.

    And it is a sacred obligation to our posterity and us to make legal certainty that the many offenders in the military and federal government as elected executives, employees, appointees, and envoys are indicted or impeached, tried, convicted, fined, banished with no impunity.

    And in such causes to be Constitutionally elicited ---- worthy others are to be empowered as substitutes in lieu of the next term of elected officials to resume elected powers, calculated to rescue WE THE PEOPLE from impending dangers, and to secure our future welfare and happiness in all legal actions needed to preserve our solvency and sovereignty.

    Therefore the problems in our Congress today -- is such that our country has far too many in population today to be served by such a limited few.

    Accordingly We The People has put our best effort forward to elect a President to take the lead and do what is right for us. And that effort appears to have become a languishing effort or a far cry from getting what is needed done today about the failed fraught with fraud past and if not changed now will set a lackluster legal precedent for our future as well.

    Lobbyist represents the very ones that have caused the erratic decline of our nation. They write many of the laws that go on to be voted, by our Congress and Senators that have never read the contents. Thus We The People must enter that same arena and write the laws that protects and serves our interests, forming our own LOBBY in Washington DC to protect all our rights to life.

    The BUSH Administration in all of its known derision, decadents with actions by dissenters, in our rich and abundant America and world wide too has caused multiple disasters and that has aroused an awareness of those with Patriotic views to stand firm, shoot out with strident voices and not to back down or cower but to press on toward moving our Democratic Republic to a restored legal right and height for representation of the people to be fully restored.

    Some Barons of banking, trade and commerce, the makers of the tools of war and many others that need to stay under our protection of us as a Nation --- has caused multiplicities of infractions against us while they took care business their own way. And many times that has involved killing innocence people out and about in the world’s populations. Black Water works for Chevron in the Congo and it has been reported that Bush created AFRICOM to do likewise under the guise of propping up failing Democracies. It is reported that We the People pay for and to that end support over seven hundred active military installations throughout the earth today and up till now we have had no recourse or redress against those kind of military actions.

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  28. We must have public financing of campaigns...period!

    I know you think you don't want to pay for it...but you already ARE!

    Every no bid contract, every unpaid royalty on an oil lease, every blocked piece of legislation that is supported by the majority because some committee head is paid off or intimidated into inaction, every blocked investigation...YOU PAY AND PAY AND PAY!

    You pay hundreds of times what you would to finance campaigns in A CORRUPTION SURCHARGE!

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  29. LUVWITH

    Forget about public financing of campaigns ---the media is on the take too. We are under siege by the Bilderbergs---so we all must get a life and forget what we thought was real and deal with the present fires burning behind the scenes.

    YES you are right corruption everywhere we look but what can we do about it? Just gripe and complain. NO we need our own folks on the ground in DC to take names get videos publish that on CSPAN for free have the real NEWS not VIEWS. Then all along make the Justice Department prosecute. We are many they are FEW hope you see now the bigger and brighter picture. First off when in DC we need to set up seven new Federal District courts bring in from other nations good judges to preside. Then whom are the Bilderbergs going to buy of then. After there we will get the Pentagon to assign us security forces to aid us in all ways. Along with the CIA FBI get our backside covered.

    NOW the most recent con---that is being pushed along is GM. We the people are going to own 70% is that good? Not in my opinion. Why? Question, what is the cost to erase their nasty footprints all over America for the environmental hazards that they created? Good question. CONS just continue to go on, and nobody with a brain or half of one cares that is those that gets a green check each month one of HIRED HANDS, or gets his or hers wallet padded as is often done by the lobbyist.

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  30. dbaker007,

    I don’t disagree with all you say, but I also don't read all you are posting. To state "now, now" makes me feel it’s a push of ideology. We may have some of the same ideas or even all but you won’t reach me with this approach. You may not mean it this way but it has come across.

    Fredrick Douglas was a great man; he didn’t receive his freedom overnight and with a blinding –now, now-. But that approach made him state that Lincoln was "the white man's president" I’m sure his haste moment today would not slip by with the media and could have dampened his other works.

    Lets about talk today and not quote hundreds of quotes… just put one you live by.

    Oh, the –now,now- is how Bush operated and I don’t support that.

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  31. Josh,

    I live by all of the ones I posted by Douglas. His words mean more to me and us than some of the others. He was a slave that had to run away from here for years before he could get enough money to pay for his freedom. Is that not what we must do likewise. Pay to get our freedom back. The Now is as I said.

    The Beast that is against us---uses law---The Obama Administration is full of them that are from the source the Bilderbergs or the Beast.

    What we must not let happen again is another Hank Paulson walking in and demanding things get done overnight. Look at the trouble we are in today with the thought to be $55 trillion dollar PONZI scheme.

    Now my take is this----We the people went for years maybe from 6 to 8 putting up with the BUSH BUNCH. A few of us began getting more involved in Politics etc. but we are the few. The greater sector just rolled over and continued to watch the VIEWS and said OK if that is what they want to do.

    Saying the mafia type Bilderbergs thought this is the right time. The timing is right for us to take America for our military mite to take the rest of the world for us. Now is does not stop there. Their plans are sadistic and can only become a reality when one digs deeper into their mindsets.

    I am a guest here, and I will not intrude to be rude or unkind to anyone. But to get to the core of their Bilderbergs in-humanity just google some of these words and follow them out then you along with other will be aghast as I was also.

    Religion of re-animalized man----japanized man

    http://911review.com/denial/gatekeepers.html

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Secret-meeting-of-worlds-richest-people-held-in-New-York-45304702.html

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13544

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  32. Most of them are great ideas, I would have posted all of these ideas separately because some might not vote yes if one or two ideas that they are disagree with.

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  33. I'm a dreamer, too. David (author of this Item #571) is my current hero and I've been subscribing to his stuff for a while. (His notice about this topic is what brought me here.) I want to End the Imperial Presidency, Restore the Constitution, Prosecute Bush and a bunch of other things.

    These things can only happen with freedom of the press. We need a simple way to let the masses know: "Who Owns the Media?" Idea #664, http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/3276-4049

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  34. geza tttahiti

    The media worldwide is owed and operated by the Bilderbergs. Not some but all of them are even PBS. I think pressure could be brought to bear on CSPAN to get nightly news broadcast each night by the WTPA. The other item that could be done invite all the colleges and universities to broadcast from their location to CSPAN for their worldwide NEWS items with their VIEWS too.

    Again the NOW word must come to play. Rupert Murdock is trying his best to take over the Internet. And the longer we hang on the more damage he can do.

    To check out who owns the media

    http://911review.com/denial/imgs/left_gatekeepers.gif

    A myriad of names will appear to find out more just:

    Google the name=neocon/tri lateral commission/bilderberg

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  35. Also eliminate signing statements.

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  36. kaygore

    Exactly right we have a very secure site. for that purpose.

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  37. When presidents break the law, we must prosecute.

    Prosecute Bush administration officials who broke our laws, re-wrote our constitution, started an illegal war from lies and for profit, tortured innocents, put our troops in the line of danger and let them die for his personal war.

    Bush and Cheney stained America, making America and Americans less safe from terrorism. Bush's actions created and continue to create more terrorists. Bush made us less safe with his and Cheney's elevated view of themselves over the laws of this country. We are a nation of laws. We are not a nation of Bush/Cheney's opinions.

    We must stop procrastinating and prosecute now. With other countries attempting to prosecute, it is embarrassing that we have not stood true to our values. Obama will have allowed Bush and Cheney's views to become American if he fails to prosecute.

    America amnd Obama will have no integrity and will not be able to restore its values if we fail to prosecute those who are responsible for these atrocities.

    The world is watching and waiting and getting impatient.

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  38. I'd have to have more information to weigh in on several of the constitutional amendments suggested here, but the basic premise is what I support – everyone must obey the law (including current and former executive branch officials) and those who don’t must be held accountable for their crimes, including executive branch officials.

    I completely agree with the list of laws David would like to repeal, but a lot of what I consider necessary involves following existing law and initiating an honest discussion of existing and necessary limits to executive power in a democracy. Open government is of very little value if the dialogue in which we openly engage is dishonest.

    For example, we need and end to the following:

    1) The bizarre and dangerous claim that laws are irrelevant if the president or other officials decide they have a really good reason for breaking them (e.g. the existence of terrorists). Nothing justifies the crimes of aggressive war, including foreign invasions and occupations and remote bombing; attacking sites where civilian casualties are inevitable; assassinations, torture, rendition and indefinite detention; domestic spying, eliminating habeas corpus, refusing to release information that should be public, refusing to prosecute crimes by high level government officials ...). These are tactics of repressive, rogue regimes – immoral and counterproductive, as well as illegal.

    2) The claim that the president, or anyone else who's taken the oath of office, can choose whether or not to investigate or prosecute crimes of former officials. There is no legal basis for this. The president and his officials swore to uphold and defend the constitution. No exceptions. Covering up crimes is just as illegal as committing the original crime. Calling it a pragmatic choice is dishonest.

    3) Our two tiered system of justice, with harsh penalties for ordinary citizens and immunity from the law for government and corporate elites. The only ways to maintain this injustice are via continued secrecy and illegitimate claims of immunity from the law for certain classes of people.

    This is all completely counter to democracy and open government.

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  39. A LOT TO BE SAID ABOUT SPECIFICS

    But what about the raw facts clearly seen that are criminal knowing those things …. as we do we must focus to take action today to lock up the bad guys first ?

    We must look first at just the numbers. We the good sound and sane are many and the bad guys are few.

    We have what it takes right now to take back our rights to call the shots in our rich and abundant America. And talking about mincing out each little bit of the things to do is pale in comparison to taking it back first.

    When a robbery of a bank is in progress--- forget about fact-finding—just put the robber in handcuffs worry about all the other stuff next. That in my books is called raw focus. We must today go to the heart of the problem and get rid of the cancer that is eating our American core away. Now do you agree? Sure hope so, we need all to work hand in hand to take back our great land. To rid out the old line of thieves and do what is right and shun all the wrongs and before we would know it all of America would be in fine shape again as it was intended to be.

    The Bilderbergs have plans to make all humankind slaves to their edicts and laws. Slavery in any way form or fashion is to be punished. Those who compose schemes to do so should stand trial before good international judges hired by us in seven new federal courts instituted by us in and around DC and New York and be sentenced to the maximum penalties.

    The Bilderbergs have been empowering human stupidity that has been the plan for a long time to make a way to deceive all. For many to just roll over, moan and groan but do nothing about the crimes against our fellow Americans and this earth citizens. Those that might be on the lookout for the Bilderbergs future--- as you read this --- if the shoe fits just wear it. We will see you in court as you try to defend yourself soon.

    If any of us should be so carefree to deny the truth that is plan and obvious just look in your rear view mirror for they are in hot pursuit to get all we have and put us in a ball and chain to work for free with just a morsel of bread a day and maybe a cup of clean water to drink. Then for us that have grandkids that come along they will be swept away like Hitler did to be schooled in the acts of terror against whom you might ask? Just look in the mirror.

    Our enemies are within…the thieves are trying to rob us blind…the old guard called the crowd or the Bilderbers are leading the way…they are not civil sound or even in my estimation human. They all tell lies…the pack of them could not put together a good puzzle…they are want to be elites drinking from the same well that Hitler, Stalin, and all the Bush Bunch did. And if there is a road destined for hell that bunch is in high gear to get there.

    Now the good news is … the Bilderbergs seemed victory is NOT on the way, for the good of us have decided to stand up shout out enough of the madness and right behind us is the Sheriff and his posse that has handcuffs in hands and is going to lock up David Rockefeller [he is known by the Bilderbergs to be KING OF THE WORLD] and Henry Kissinger [his words proves he is the worst war criminal of all time] … then start down from the top of the list next [the many in the Presidents Administration] till it bottoms out. We believe about 5 to 7 thousand that are the lawless bunch and their words and deeds right now prove it without a doubt.

    We are taking the lead by waking up standing up and shouting out stop the madness.

    To do the right and just thing JOIN IN with us.

    The PLAN --- We The People Advocates WTPA are providing the only HOPE in saving our great nation. So JOIN IN and ENLIST to serve with your VOICES being heard and your VOTES being counted and moved along to our lobby group in Washington DC to power push the peoples needs, wants and wishes in our cities, states and Federal Governments for all Americans to have the rights to life in all ways in equity adjudicated by the Bar of Justice. Dwight Baker Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  40. This might seem extreme, but in light of recent and now current conditions, someone needs to teach our legislators and leaders in the most memorable way that they work for US - and not vice versa.

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  41. Several thousand

    I suppose some handcuffs, a jail cell, no bail; good Judge might get their attention. No on a lighter note it would be nice to have some photo ops while in that process. The next thing to do right away is stopping all those benefits for those that are un-fit and do crime then time.

    No more staying on the old endless supply milk cow called us. That might make some of them go out in the barn yard and start digging up some old Prince Albert cans full of money. That would make a nice photo op too.

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  42. david Idea Submitter

    stremington, i agree

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  43. The Imperial Presidency allows our nation's elected President (when not selected by the Supreme Court) to become a Rogue Emperor in the worst traditions of the Roman Empire. No accountability, no liability, no transparency as evidenced most recently by the Bush regime. The founding fathers foreshadowed that these sorts of powers would be the greatest threat to the newly formed representative government. It is up to Congress to reign these rogues in, but clearly, Congress is not up to the task. One institution after the other (NSA, CIA, Justice, State Dept., DOD)is manipulated and corrupted when the the Executive Branch is allowed Imperial power.

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  44. an interesting mix of things that everyone would support (the "apple pie" clauses) and changes that strike at the bedrock of our system of government ("abolish the senate"). I find this misleading and unfortunate in a long post that people may not read top-to-bottom before signing.

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  45. I for just one would NEVER want to abolish anything that our Constitution put in place, and that means the Senate.

    So I suppose I don’t get the drift at this time. I stand by my words and that is that, if other words are to be mixed and mingled into some form other. Then like jfsabl said I would need to see the final compilation before I agreed. Just like our congressman and Senators that said OK to the Patriot Act and never read it --- SAD DAY FOR ALL OF US FOR SURE. No reason to go back to that kind of idiocy.

    I would hope David and all here would never engage in that kind of stupidity for any reason in any season. If this group is supposed to be the more enlighten as I suspect it to be, let us not let down the many others that are counting on us to lead.

    First impressions mean everything to many and me too.

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  46. david Idea Submitter

    Never change the Constitution? And undo a couple of dozen amendments immediately? Go back to white guys get to vote and slaves count less in a census?

    If you say so.

    The Senate, by the way, blocked 8 attempts by the House to end slavery. The Senate has always blocked better proposals from the House. That was its intended purpose.

    It does provide disproportionate representation for smaller states, but it also strips state governments of power in ways the House alone probably would not. And while Senators favor campaign corruption, wall street giveaways, illegal spying, torture, war, union busting, slashing school funding, polluting the environment, and propping up private health insurance far more than do members of the House, the same cannot be said of residents of small states as compared to large.

    End it, don't mend it.

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  47. May 28, 2009

    David

    My take has been and shall remain but until we get control we cannot do. We need a Constitutional Convention to set new size’s for the Congress and Senate.

    My Take we need five times more Congress people. We need the larger states to have more

    Senators as per five times New York needs 10 instead of 2 the same is true in each of the larger States. Then that number of multiples dwindles down as the population of the state does.

    We also need to break the two party system thus in local Congress and Senate elections all kinds of folks could gain local support and win----Doctors, PhD, business people, house wives, clergy, Mechanics, welders etc. Thus the will of the people would be heard.

    Once done there would be far more folks tending to taking care of our business on Capitol Hill.

    Then instead of have empowered the ones we have now to set on 16 different panels and such we could spread the workload around. Thus instead of having the senseless drama unfold as seen on CSPAN questions are asked by some of the worse morons I have ever seen and heard. IE: would you have Barney Frank over for lunch? Neither would I. Then do what my Great Uncle from Switzerland once said, “If you want a job done right do it yourself”, thus each could go and inspect the work that “was expected to be done” but check first hand.

    Now that is a VIEW that all here will agree. No doubt about it. But we cannot do those things until we take back control. All we can do now is plan and that is in the making as I write this. Good things are in store for us in America and it is all right around the corner. I have a page on CARE2 http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=664781840

    and there I have a worldview of what people want done in America first hand. They are all cheering us on to do the right thing now. We are still the beacons of hope for civilized man but we must seize this opportunity now. As one of my hero’s Fredrick Douglas once said

    If there is no struggle, there is no progress.

    It is not light that we need, but fire; it is not the gentle shower, but thunder. We need the storm, the whirlwind, and the earthquake.

    Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

    The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose.

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  48. Ending the Imperial Presidency would be nice. I gave it a thumbs-up. But It'll never happen without freedom of the press. Everything hinges on the First Amendment, which has been gutted for all practical purposes. That's why we need a simple, accessible system that will let ordinary people know WHO OWNS THE MEDIA, Idea #664, http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/3276-4049

    (If they can put a spell-checker into this system to help me spell "accessible," they can put in a system that shows who controls the major media.)

    The Imperial Presidency wouldn't last a day if the masses knew about it.

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  49. tttahiti and ALL

    FREE PRESS FORGET ABOUT IT---- We have is the internet for a time so let us all use it--- to tell the RAW FACTS. Now 3 to 5 million of us all on the same page can seize Capitol Hill legally and get things going our way we would have about 1000 good lawyers and aids to get things done for us. We would have the majority vote in Congress and in the Senate and could veto anything that the Administration tried to cram down. Now do the math all kick in $25 bucks per month----Hello Lobby for sure with that kind of leverage.

    IT WOULD BE NICE TO STEP BACK IN TIME …….. BUT?

    A lot has been said today about specifics, but what about the RAW FACTS that is clearly seen and we all know about those at the top of the heap that are criminals. As we go forward to try and restore journalism the car industry or workforce our starving Americans and all the many others in need …. We better settle in get in one mind and one accord then focus to take action today to lock up the BAD GUYS FIRST.

    We must look first at just the numbers. We the good sound and sane are many and the bad guys are few.

    We have what it takes right now to take back our rights to call the shots in our rich and abundant America. And talking about mincing out each little bit of the things to do is pale in comparison to taking our America back first.

    When a robbery of a bank is in progress--- forget about fact-finding—just put the robber in handcuffs worry about all the other stuff next. That in my books is called RAW FOCUS. We must today go to the heart of the problem and get rid of the cancer that is eating at our American core. Now do you agree? Sure hope so, we need all to work hand in hand to take back our great land. To rid out the old line of thieves and do what is right and shun all the wrongs and before we would know it all of America would be in fine shape again as it was intended to be.

    The Bilderbergs have plans to make all humankind slaves to their edicts and laws. Slavery in ALL WAYS forms or fashions are to be punished. Those who compose schemes to do so should stand trial before good international judges hired by us in seven new federal courts instituted by us in and around DC and New York and be sentenced to the maximum penalties.

    The Bilderbergs have been empowering human stupidity that has been the plan for a long time to make a way to deceive all. For many to just roll over, moan and groan but do nothing about the crimes against our fellow Americans and this earth citizens.

    Those that might be on the lookout for the Bilderbergs future--- as you read this --- if the shoe fits just wear it. We will see you in court as you try to defend yourself soon.

    If any of us should be so carefree to deny the TRUTH that is plan and obvious, then just look in your rear view mirror for they are in hot pursuit to get ALL of us. WE the once free have been selected to have a ball and chain put on us to work for free with just a morsel of bread a day and maybe a cup of clean water to drink. Then for us that have grandkids that come along they will be swept away like Hitler did to be schooled in the acts of terror against whom you might ask? Just look in the mirror.

    Our enemies are within…the thieves are trying to rob us blind…the old guard called the crowd or the Bilderbers are leading the way…they are not civil sound or even in my estimation human. They all tell lies…the pack of them could not put together a good puzzle…they are want to be elites drinking from the same well that Hitler, Stalin, and all the Bush Bunch did. And if there is a road destined for hell that bunch is in high gear to get there.

    Now the good news is … the Bilderbergs seemed victory is NOT on the way, for the good of us have decided to stand up shout out enough of the madness and right behind us is the Sheriff and his posse that has handcuffs in hands and is going to lock up David Rockefeller [he is known by the Bilderbergs to be KING OF THE WORLD] and Henry Kissinger [his words proves he is the worst war criminal of all time] … then start down from the top of the list next [the many in the Presidents Administration] till it bottoms out. We believe about 5 to 7 thousand that are the lawless bunch and their words and deeds right now prove it without a doubt.

    We are taking the lead by waking up standing up and shouting out stop the madness.

    Do the right and just thing JOIN IN.

    The PLAN --- We The People Advocates WTPA are providing the only HOPE in saving our great nation. So JOIN IN and ENLIST to serve with your VOICES being heard and your VOTES being counted and moved along to our lobby group in Washington DC to power push the peoples needs, wants and wishes in our cities, states and Federal Governments for all Americans to have the rights to life in all ways in equity adjudicated by the Bar of Justice. Dwight Baker Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  50. True campaign finance reform to create a level playing field for candidates that can get sufficient campaign contributions and signatures (say $5.00 per person) is certainly worth trying before we dump the Senate (House of Lords). Every taxpayer contributing $5.00 or $10.00 when they file state and federal tax forms and no other dollars permitted other than the $5.00 to assist a person trying to get sufficient signatures in order to make the voting slate. The money would have to be divied up to cover all offices, local, state and federal. Television and radio time would be allotted to every legitimate candidate and no more time allotted just because a person has personal wealth or big contributors to supply the backing. Removing the money won't cure all the problems but it certainly would help to remove the undue influence that money and cronyism has exercised over our electoral politics.

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  51. I have to say the the "elimination of the Senate" is ONE reason not to support this topic...

    The role of the Senate is to give equal representation to each State. If all we had was the House, then ideas from the populist states (California, New York) would trump the ideas and philosophies of the smaller States.

    Unfortunately you're under some false idea that we live in a pure Democracy. We DON"T!!! The US Government was formed under the idea of a Representative Democracy. There is a big difference.

    Why not eliminate both the House AND Senate and just have a website we as individual citizens logged into to place our vote for a particular issue/bill? That would be pure Democracy!

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  52. I agree with most of the principles expressed but...

    (a) I think that getting at the truth about the past, and passing laws to prevent similar abuses in the future, is more important than punishment. You want prosecution of Bush, Cheney, et al. I would gladly offer them immunity from prosecution in exchange for full cooperation in revealing exactly what was going on. (Remember, if they perjure themselves, immunity is revoked.) This approach might yield better information, and be more politically palatable as well.

    (b) You're asking for 8 constitutional amendments? These are not easy things to pass...

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  53. Scott

    Look around you today, right where you live, wherever that is. Who in their right and sane mind would ever allow a criminal to go free just because they told the TRUTH?

    Better reach way down to find the real reason for you saying that. Maybe you are not one of us.

    then other item is not an issue at this time. Read the essence of where we are---do not just glare over.

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  54. One major problem with immunity, especially for the principals in the commission of serious crimes, is that there's no deterrent. How would we be better off as a society if we acknowledged in detail horrific criminal acts and then declined to hold anyone accountable? That would be a tacit acceptance of the idea that certain crimes are acceptable as long as we acknowledge them. High government officials would be free to do whatever they like in office without fear of any consequence more serious than public exposure.

    I don't recall anyone suggesting publicizing the murderous acts directed by Charles Manson as a reasonable – even preferred – replacement for investigation and prosecution of his crimes. But somehow, this has become an accepted line of reasoning in discussing the crimes of Bush and Cheney, who are responsible for more death and misery than Manson could even dream about.

    This double standard is widespread, and evident to anyone who's ever tried to talk his way out of a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, but is particularly outrageous when you consider that Troy Davis is on death row trying to argue that he should be allowed to present evidence of his innocence that has surfaced since his trial. He’s not even asking to be released. He’s just asking to present the new evidence in court and has been turned down at every appeal. The argument of the appeals courts has been that he had an opportunity to present this evidence at trial and missed it. Now it’s too late. They didn’t even rule on the actual evidence of innocence, which they acknowledge is compelling.

    So, in the United States, it’s apparently too late to present evidence of innocence when a regular citizen is facing death, but too upsetting to even investigate, much less prosecute, high officials for horrific criminal acts that led – among many other things – to the deaths of over 4000 American troops, over a million Iraqis, as well as misery and mayhem all over the region.

    The idea that upholding the law for government criminals would damage the country, but that allowing these officials to get away with murder, torture, kidnapping, and cover ups is a way for the nation to heal is astounding.

    Allowing high level officials to break the law with impunity is a characteristic of tyrannies, not democracies.

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  55. Sex scandals get attention, but mass murder is acceptable. Ok, how about if we find one of the technicians who helped to set up that controlled demolition and get him to admit that he was Dubbys's boyfriend?

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  56. Include the revolving door between government and industry. Much of this is nothing more than a fanciful dream, but stranger things have happened, so add as much as you can so some of it might stick.

    Regarding the destruction of the World Trade Center, my SWAG is the Mossad agents dancing and singing on the other side of the river set the charges and had the detonators, because they weren't there just to look. Read Vickor Ostrovsky's books "By Way of Deception," and "The Other Side of Deception," to understand my answer. Speaking of the Mossad is not antisemitic. This ought to draw some hate.

    On a side note about that day, jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel, fire does pulverize concrete and fire does not naturally burn downward, especially with discontiguous fuels without a strong wind. After the initial explosion, the aircraft fuels were negligible. There were no strong down drafts reported that day, both in or out of the buildings.

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  57. For anybody who believes this is to eliminate the Senate, go back and read it again. Someone else proposed to eliminate the Senate, but this proposal is to eliminate that elimination. It's an awkwardly worded double negative and can be very confusing at first.

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  58. Panther, I think there are certainly enough valid questions, that a more thorough investigation of 9/11 would contribute to the openness this site is trying to get at!

    Personally, I wonder how a huge, lumbering jumbo jet could get through what is probably the most heavily protected airspace on the planet, when the military was presumably on its highest alert (it was an hour after the government knew we were under attack), and still manage to get through and hit the pentagon. It kinda makes you hope there was some nefarious explanation, because otherwise, our defense system appears to be worthless!

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  59. Enough preaching to the choir. Anyone who has gotten this far already knows the Fruit Loop story. The question is how to get it out of these obscure little forums and onto the front page. If you don't like the idea of finding Dubbya's boyfriend, maybe we can find some other angle that is less socially acceptable than mass murder and genocide. Maybe if someone threatened a pretty child during the process. Or neglected to say his prayers on Sept 10th.

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  60. "Legislate a requirement that, in any war, the military aged children and grandchildren of the president, the vice president, all cabinet officials, and all Congress members serve on the front lines in the most dangerous combat positions -- no exceptions, no exemptions."

    WTF!?! I like the idea of an end to imperial presidents and governments, but that's just INSANE. ALL military service should be voluntary.

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  61. The President's child is not an appendage.

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  62. Tttahiti and ALL

    Why do we need a front page? And the preaching to the choir is a needed thing to do for many in the choir still got a cotton ball [called nonsense in their ears]. And has far as a good forum this one beats all other hands down.

    Now the cotton ball called nonsense is denial. Right after Obama was elected I had a good big fat one in both of my ears denial. I thought believed took a breather just knowing what he said he would do he would.

    Guess what big cotton balls had to be pulled out again time to defend our Great American Ship called Freedom. When he put the bilderbergs on staff too much nonsense for me. Time to wake, stand up, shout out stop the madness to all that I knew----- still doing that right here today. But guess what this is our Front Page.

    Not going to get any better than this until we take back control of our Federal Government and that is in the making right now. When the Declaration of Independence was made known only 3.8 percent of the people in America bought in and put some skin in the game.

    Why should we expect more? They were rugged in that day, most had a pioneer spirit in them, and most cared heat and most packed also openly for all to see. Yet on this forum most will not even show their real name, WHY. Some of what those folks had then-----we simply do not have today. Yet we are still good sane and want to good forward to rid our nation from this curse. I don’t fear them for we are many and they are few. The e-mail address is dbaker007@stx.rr.com contact that and get the business plan for the WTPA. Tells all down to the last little bit. So if fright has not rob you of your sight get one ----- then pass around to all you know. That is how a grass root makes the front page today.

    NOW READ CLOSELY ---- to make all of this madness STOP in its tracks will only take arresting TWO of the worlds biggest creeps. David Rockefeller number one and Henry Kissinger number two, to do that is a doable deal as soon as we go to Capitol Hill and demand our rightful place in our government.

    Now as far as fear-------- and respect

    I respect all of mankind for I am one too.

    I fear no man for my God is in me and with me to defend.

    I fear my God for I let him down for often times I have believed lies too.

    For those that really care and want more for all of us TODAY and to guard our posterity from being vanquished ---- get a business plan.

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  63. Dream on, cowboy.

    (I was hesitant to use that word, so I looked for a clue as to your gender. Alas, a lot of people don't like to use their names.)

    A lot of people have been doing a lot of screaming and organizing for a very long time. Grass roots movements do NOT make the front page unless someone upstairs allows it.

    The only kind of message that can get through must be simple and, on the surface, inoffensive. (Like Troy's dream of "one moon circling.")

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  64. tttahiti

    This is a forum---I would hope it might be open for debate. I do not know about [one moon circling] I do know this men and women have been doing this kind of thing for a long time. And I am tame compared to some of those. Besides this should be an open forum not the finished product. The finished product is as you stated inoffensive polished to the max but real clear in content and purpose. Now as far as screaming and organizing I could care less---I get about 50 to 100 DONATE TODAY nonsense stuff per day that gives no real hope at all. WHY seems no one wants to step out in the demension where we must trek. We are under seige and unless we fight back with words now in a communed group we will all fail. Now cowboy maybe --- I was raised to know right from wrong and have practiced that all my life. In doing I have 13 USA patents to prove it. I have studied and studied more than most traveled the world---spent years in oil and gas---I know the score better than most. I have worked for myself and worked as many as four companies at one time---met payrolls on time never stold a dime.

    But is it I that could be a problem here? Is this forum dead set on the acts of exclusion or is this forum about inclusion?

    So it is not me you should fear for I am on your side it is those that come to you with polished lies that you should run from before that take our life, limb and all your property.

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  65. tttahiti

    google Dbaker007@stx.rr.com up will come 15 full pages of me and what I do and what I am. Tell me where can I find the same about you?

    Or for the sake and sanity of this forum any others here I would like to know all about you----Maybe time to get to know one another. That should be done if we have intent of all signing on to get our country back as has been done for a long time. Some must quit the jabber and PUT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME.

    You can google that too PUT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME try it.

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  66. Sorry, went a little overboard there. I had just come from... well, never mind my mood at the time. The point is that my comment was unnecessary.

    Anyway, about that cotton ball story, no, I don't call that denial. I call that "hope" and "giving the guy a chance." I got a couple months of hope out of the deal. I don't think it's unreasonable that you or I waited for concrete proof that Obama wasn't going to save us. It was nice while it lasted, but now we know.

    As for that "skin" thing, everybody on the planet has something valuable at stake right now. Only it's not a game anymore.

    I just don't see a way to take back control of our Federal Government when the majority don't know how out-of-control it is. Without a free media, there's just no way to reach them.

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  67. Bush-haters - go crawl back under your rock...

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  68. We are more than any can imagine we that are sane good to the core honest forthright and do the right thing. Go to http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=664781840 when there take a look at the top of the numbers of folks that are on CARE2. Then do the math X 2 or 4 = that should represent the numbers in each family that go there to chime in.

    Now the present con being run as always is done is that we have NO VOICE and simply is not true --- that is a lie to limit us from hooking up to take charge. NOW any one that wants to business plan have no fear--- I am trustable and when I get a request I send back the plan and that is that no more from me on my end. Nothing saved nothing passed around just doing my job and that is all.

    I hold NO animosity toward anyone about anything HELL we got to help one another. I make mistakes everyday--- I am human. We got to hold onto each other then walk hand in hand to take back our great and abundant America our ship called Freedom.

    I don’t fear them at all---not to say that I did at one time---then I hit the brick wall and looked around and what I say was me and I didn’t like me at all. WHY I had become fearful for no reason except the fear of being taken out before I could say my last good byes. Got that all taken care of the next day best as I could so then back on the march to take back our Rich and Abundant America.

    Most know by now that I am a RAW FACTS GUY but let me give you a little insight into specifics ---- I have three sons they have sons I had a strong willed Dad that is now gone, he come from a Clan that would get in anyone’s face that tried to intimidate.

    Not long ago TIMMY GEITHER was in front of Congress---doing his stuff—Lying to beat the drums for the Bilderbergs. Behind him set his son---watching every move that stupid dad made and said. Who sent the son to watch Daddy Tim ---was it grandpa---David Rockefeller--- Henry Kissinger just who and why and what for? That bunch in running scared. Now we must learn to read in between the lines as I just said and be ready willing and able to take them on when the time is right ------ Now guess what the time is right -----RIGHT NOW. They are running scared.

    And when we get to Capitol Hill with our claims to take back our government the first thing to do is arrest just two to bring down the whole clan of need for greed morons ----David Rockefeller then Henry Kissinger with them locked behind bars in jail no bail then BUSH BUNCH and others will all run off to Argentina where Moron Bush one and Moron Bush two own 900,000 acres---that is where all war mongering criminals go. History tells us so.

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  69. looks like we have a mole or troll whoever it is we got your number so BEWARE

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  70. To merveilleux24: I, mother of four sons and one daughter, like the idea of forcing the children of those who declare war, as well as the ones who declare war themselves, serve in those wars. When governor Bush declared war on Iraq back in 2003, with the shameful complicity of most of the elected officials in both Senate and House, only 1 of those officials actually had a child serving in the military. It is very easy to send others to die... but if you knew that you might be the one to die, or your dear ones, you might be less quick to call up the specter of war. It would be, at the very least, the honorable thing to do, not that any of them had the slightest concept of 'honor.'

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  71. Ignorance is not bliss in this instance. Please read THE IRAQ QUAGMIRE--THE PRICE OF IMPERIAL ARROGANCE written by Stephen Lendman and J.J Asongu in 2007.

    This most comprehensive and enlightening work updates all interested parties re the corruption and rape of our Constitution which all those in government office swore an oath to uphold as a pretext to their employment, including presidents.

    This should be required reading for any government employee, regardless of rank, stature, or classified job description.

    John McCarthy

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id472.html

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  72. Essential to the proposal to end the Imperial Presidency is the corollary that we must end the US Empire at the same time. We have no moral right to have our troops based outside the territory of the USA. None.

    If the US once had that right because other countries invited our troops in, we have forfeited it by committing aggression and terrorism in many countries since 1950. The most blatant recent example was the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003. The US Empire has lost its moral right to exist. It would be better for the world - and for our country as well - if we recognize that fact and dismantle the Empire voluntarily rather than waiting until it collapses militarily and economically, which history proves it inevitably will sooner or later.

    Bring ALL the troops home NOW.

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  73. energetic

    A far better idea for your take. We have the power to effect things for the better or for the worse and we allowed the BUSH BUNCH and some of the others to do so for the worse.

    When the world peoples are starving some at our cruel unmerciful hand lead by the neo cons Bilderbergs, World Bank, tri lateral commission, Bill and Hilary Clinton and many on the far right in the off beat religious crowd in America today that liked the clown Derek Prince you know that crew --- that bunch was and still is today out to rape pillage and plunder all that get in their way to cheat lie steal and kill. What a crowd of despots we have been fooled by. But not now, we can get our economy going again over night if we do right not wrong with it.

    The right thing to do----- google ABB world leader ---then read what they do and how and why they are good at what they do. We could do the same thing with our soon being born and now some in the growing process our green industry here in the good ole USA. Latent talent is all around one such is in Israel today. Near the Sinai a University there has developed some crops that grow and bear fruit and vegetables that is watered with saline ground water--- go figure that one. Out of that same university they have developed cotton that grows in different colors--- saves dying it ---that means a great savings for the garment industry. Many starving in north Africa could use some of that---right now---they need drinking water --- I was in oil and gas for years and good sources for water can be found if wanted too. Then drilled casing cemented in the right way and the wells would last for generations. We have the solar power to run the pumps for the water. We have the knowledge how to build houses quickly that will last for generations, we have the live stock here in the USA to export to start their own herds of chickens, hogs, cattle and sheep we know how to do the right thing right the first time and we can if we have the will to do so.

    My take --- when we get to Capitol Hill to take over our rightful place as has been needed for a long time---hire our good retired Generals and on down to Captain status to go inventory each military site in depth. Then report back what is needed where, when how much and how. Those guys and gals know first hand that has been taught to them. Then we know.

    Bring all the CIA operatives home then put them though a complete Psychiatrist test to find out really who they are and what they have done and etc. cut the bad ones loose maybe indict some --- others just deport them or banish them from every setting another foot into the USA. Without our military power those cats are nothing and mean less to any others around the world so cut them loose.

    Now those over 700 military installations that we own---I guess--- who knows. Use them for the good of the indigenous folks first then for cleaning up the scum next then empower those folks how to rule themselves then bring most of our troops home where they belong. Now think along the lines of being a good neighbor. Most of us will help a neighbor for when we do we create a friend. Now once we do that for those folks around this great big planet we are not the Imperial tyrannical power any longer that always has lead to ruin ---- but we are their friends and they are ours. Thus we can live in peace but we must protect each other’s back, that is just part of being friends.

    Now on the present agenda to do good things is this:

    We are taking the lead by waking up standing up and shouting out stop the madness.

    Do the right and just thing JOIN IN.

    The PLAN --- We The People Advocates WTPA are providing the only HOPE in saving our great nation. So JOIN IN and ENLIST to serve with your VOICES being heard and your VOTES being counted and moved along to our lobby group in Washington DC to power push the peoples needs, wants and wishes in our cities, states and Federal Governments for all Americans to have the rights to life in all ways in equity adjudicated by the Bar of Justice. Dwight Baker Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  74. If torture is against the law, those who designed, authorized, and ordered the 'enhanced interrogation' techniques used on detainees at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and other detention

    facilities, are in fact criminals. Whether or not these techniques "worked" to extract 'actionable intelligence' is irrelevant, simply because the techniques were (and continue

    to be) ILLEGAL! Recent testimony and common logic not withstanding, to accept a rationale that such techniques "worked" and should therefore be justifed is akin to holding a

    view that since organized murder would "work" to reduce crime in certain American neighborhoods, it should be embraced as a crime fighting tactic despite its illegality.

    Top level officials who commit atrocities should never be granted exemption from the rule of law, as seems implicit in the "no one is above the law" statements from President

    Obama and Attorney General Holder. Yet in stark contradiction, Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder seem to support above-the-law status for their predecessors. If Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder

    choose to maintain a double standard in this regard, they should be honest enough to admit their genuine position that no one _except top level officials_ is above the law. Of

    course, to do so would be to openly embrace this double standard. But at least they would be telling the truth.

    The thought that President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Secretary Rumsfeld ordered such illegal techniques in an effort to compel false statements that could be used to

    bolster a nonexistent link between Saddam Hussein's government and extremist Muslim terrorist operations is utterly reprehensible. It strongly calls for accountability from

    those who designed and implemented the plan. So many innocent people have been slaughtered or become otherwise devastated by this repugnant campaign of horror.

    Without appropriate accountability for such serious criminal conduct, there will be no disincentive that may deter future rogue administrations from adopting the same policies.

    It will thus happen again at some point.

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  75. If torture is against the law, those who designed, authorized, and ordered the 'enhanced interrogation' techniques used on detainees at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and other detention facilities, are in fact criminals. Whether or not these techniques "worked" to extract 'actionable intelligence' is irrelevant, simply because the techniques were (and continue to be) ILLEGAL! Recent testimony and common logic not withstanding, to accept a rationale that such techniques "worked" and should therefore be justified is akin to holding a view that since organized murder would "work" to reduce crime in certain American neighborhoods, it should be embraced as a crime fighting tactic despite its illegality.

    Top level officials who commit atrocities should never be granted exemption from the rule of law, as seems implicit in the "no one is above the law" statements from President Obama and Attorney General Holder. Yet in stark contradiction, Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder seem to support above-the-law status for their predecessors. If Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder choose to maintain a double standard in this regard, they should be honest enough to admit their genuine position that no one _except top level officials_ is above the law. Of course, to do so would be to openly embrace this double standard. But at least they would be telling the truth.

    The thought that President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Secretary Rumsfeld ordered such illegal techniques in an effort to compel false statements that could be used to bolster a nonexistent link between Saddam Hussein's government and extremist Muslim terrorist operations is utterly reprehensible. It strongly calls for accountability from those who designed and implemented the plan. So many innocent people have been slaughtered or become otherwise devastated by this repugnant campaign of horror.

    Without appropriate accountability for such serious criminal conduct, there will be no disincentive that may deter future rogue administrations from adopting the same policies. It will thus happen again at some point.

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  76. I remember 'back in the day' the LWV pressured the government for a constitutional revision conference to re-write our archaic document.

    This is an article outlining specific demands ot the executive and legislative branches and puts the power with the people. that was never the intention of the original document, but times really need to change the way our government does its business.

    For too long we have ben railroaded by these branches, and our money put to use to further assist the class distinctions. I really like this document as it recognizes the lawlwssness of the past 8 Bush/Chaeney years.

    And it finally puts an equal rights amendment in the constitution. I think this will be one of my focuses, now that things seem to be heating back up as they did before the 2004 campaigning period

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  77. SHOULD WE GOOD RETREAT?

    OR STAND UP AGAINST THE RE-DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH

    4/13/09

    Or should we all BEAT back the despots from their high and ruling perches of power with our strong words --- delivered in a strident stand up against ALL? Should we the people SEEK out others of like mind and JOIN IN coalitions to make count our voices and votes in our communed understood DISCONTENTMENT? Should all of us be concerned and ever vigilant about those who clearly voice in derision and divisionary efforts - -to promote that we are a contemptible---corruptive---corrosive---erosive people and we need new federal policies. But when doing ---- would that further erode our rights to life as an American people?

    What is the greater purpose of having elected officials making a wage to do their jobs for us ---- but do NOT?

    Are we AMERICANS like many other pagan gentile nations that have become empires and with a king/emperor at the head --- assuring all that he/she could put our minds at ease/rest ---- so we could just set back enjoy our ride though time- go to bed thinking all would be OK in the early morn, but now could that be the last political tidal wave that takes us down?

    Have we become so hypnotized by the glamour and seemed honor and goodness in just mortal men and women we have lost sight that some can run a nation amuck using a good con all along much like our past administrations? And what proof do we have now that the same is not going on again?

    THUS will we set back another four years with another seemed lackluster chicken hawk administration and see more of our people suffer at the hands of tyranny? And a greater number of our senior citizens moved into --- a well laid out hellish plan designed by morbid hosts in concert with ghoulish ghost to lead our 50 million senior citizens into stark cold despot driven oblivion?

    THERFORE when the foxes are defiantly in our chicken house who will stand forward and call them out for what they are known for ------ in their villainous words and deeds.

    Dwight Baker We The People Advocacy WTPA the only way of saving our nation in our generation for our posterity and us.

    More info contact dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  78. I NEVER PULL A PUNCH

    March 23, 2009

    To the Honorable President Barack Obama

    Of the Untied States of America

    The White House

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW

    Washington, DC 20500

    info@barackobama.com

    OPEN LETTER --- To whom it might concern

    Mr. President,

    Following is a comment that I made today to an essay written by Chris Hedges posted on Truthdig. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090316_the_false_idol_of_unfettered_capitalism/

    I think some of the thoughts might give some insights to where we are and why and what can we all do to trek back to make amends first ---- then go shoulder to shoulder rebuilding our nation with the soundness in the enforcement of our laws then re-directing focus away from the need for greed to that of building and/or rebuilding our communities for all to have the Rights to Life.

    Chris Hedges

    A few points of interest in your essay:

    The name the ---- false idol of unfettered capitalism -----I am not sure was your message. However many did found your writing skills and message very good as did I. Number one all idols are false. We were instructed by GOD to not surrender our allegiance or will to anything made of man that represented their ideas of a god to bow down to and worshiped.

    The message that you presented was that of the service to self or as Jesus defied the god of Mammon or self-deity. And all who are sane and sound today know for a fact that is the root cause of our country being robed. Those skilled in acts of collusion and turning worthless paper into assets was all a con run on our public therefore ---- from the lowest to the highest up the ladder some day are going to take a big hit and all those years of saving will go out the front door ---- never to return again. Now most thought Adolph Hitler was the worst thief to ever come along and he did set the record when he ravaged all the Banks in countries he invade, but guess what the Bush Bunch in their reign of terror has eclipsed Hitler’s numbers by 100 to 1000 fold and maybe more. And to that end the jury is still out to try and see into all the opaqueness of it all to see what course can be taken now to re-do or un-do and just let go of getting back to the place where Americans have lived for a long time.

    Now the godlessness of all that is that those folks were of the Anti-Christ persuasion they had marketed themselves to be from god and about god and sold the idea to the hard core religious right to get the votes needed to get in power for eight long hard cold and ruthless years. GOD FORBID if we allow another time like in our American history.

    So MY TAKE is that your insight into those that fulfill the creeds in the need for greed was what called by you unfettered capitalism and partly I agree. But I think if any will look back in history the idea of capitalism has never been sound for any others than the ones who dealt the cards. And that has been the ones that Jesus defined as the benefactors --- I refer to them as the BEAST—LUKE 22—25 History calls that class of folks the barons. They were the ones many times that put in a military man to run their governments and his job was to invade and conquer other land masses and people --- then spread out the spoils of war NOT into the treasury of the nation but pass around to the barons for their wealth to grow. And just a quick look back into history will confirm those are the facts.

    So since the term that has been used by us Democratic Republic to define who we are ---- that practice has been the golden rule. A quick study into the spoils of war coming out of IRAQ just that one will suffice to prove the point the rich keep getting richer because of war and plundering and pilfering other nations. But our war machines makers have had bountiful years to grow their seemed wealth too. And look at how much BLACK WATER and HALLIBURTON has taken from us because of the Bush Bunch chicken hawk war efforts.

    Now I hope I did not divert to far away from your essay but I wanted to paint the picture the way I read your focus. Most folks are good and morally minded and follow their conscience. But some do not and have messed their mind up with drugs and wrongful living and their transgressions are so many that they have lost their way totally being a part of our greater social sanguine society. But the allurements that come from those groups have taken a toll on many good folks in America and they like many others will have to find a fall back position and re-group to carry on. And that they can do like many others throughout history that have had to help shoulder each others burdens to get a fix on what each could and should do to become community again.

    As in all good things ---- change comes little by little and we should not rush any longer to put out fires that might be needed to burn down the old failed ways of doing business as usual ----- that has us in the fix we are in.

    Remember we are the willing and most are wise and we will do as asked.

    Best regards

    Dwight Baker

    Co –Founder of the Bondservants of Christ Jesus Ministries

    Chairman of the Voices of We the Peoples Lobby now [Advocacy or WTPA] grass roots actions

    Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  79. While I agree with most of the recommendations I would start with one simple reform: Require Congress to read the DAMM bill before they vote. Perhaps require them to take a short quizz before or after to determine if they read it and comprehended what they voted for.

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  80. I NEVER PULL A PUNCH

    OBAMA MUST MAKE AMERICA LAWFUL MINDED AGAIN

    1/13/09 3:45 AM

    The first and final test for me is that ---- Obama must pass immediately ----- is to enforce the Laws in the Constitution.

    He must in my opinion FIRST increase the Staff in the Justice Department five fold. Then those in charge THE COPS ON THE BEAT indict, charge, arrest, try, fine then sentence or banish the lowest on the totem pole of the BUSH BUNCH. They will likely plea out and give evidence. Then go right on up the ladder till all 5,000 or more of that BUNCH is packed neatly away.

    WHY?

    That is his job that he wanted and he got at because of us.

    We must in every way preserve what little GOOD NAME we have in the World Wide community.

    All will be looking in to see if Obama has the guts to take on the BUSH BUNCH despots that killed 100’s of thousands by their warmongering vile and evil will.

    Respect for mankind and the Law is at the lowest common denominator in America today.

    Some that post on AlterNet clearly prove that.

    Unless respect of each other and the Law is restored quickly WHO KNOWS what might lie ahead?

    NOT ME.

    WHAT LIES DEAD AHEAD?

    We can continue to cry moan and bemoan ---- gripe and complain seem to be working for the good but really setting idle while the clock tick tocks away.

    Or we can come together like men not mice---sane and sound ----not paranoid and afraid what lies in the dark---and began to stand on our ground and declare that we must fight the fight before us with pen and paper on their turf while the world watches in ----- to see if we get it right.

    Yes, that is right we must fight. We cannot run like little cowards and pretend to be busy and not, who has a will of steel today? Who has the will to die for their fellow man their family, friends and kin alike? Sometimes death means dying to self. Sometimes that means laying out all for all to see openly. Yet is NOT that --- what our sports folks do--- for each other----sacrifice? Thus are we a team ------ or a group of cry babies, misfits, social out cast, never hoping for the best FOR ALL but waiting for someone of import to come by and give us what we really want MONEY? Forgetting about our once blood bought freedoms just money.

    Words of wisdom by Fredrick Douglas

    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong, which will be imposed on them.

    I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence.

    If there is no struggle, there is no progress.

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  81. I NEVER PULL A PUNCH

    February 19, 2009

    To the Honorable President Barack Obama

    Of the Untied States of America

    The White House

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW

    Washington, DC 20500

    OPEN LETTER --- To whom it might concern

    Mr. President,

    Thanks for all the good work you are doing, and in keeping with your status as our President. We have prayed that you would not back down or cower to anyone not your equal and that is simply not many.

    Many of WE THE PEOPLE who are proud to be Americans that have NOT an inane view of political science, equity in justice and with that solicitous vanguard view we do have the strong and strident will in words and deeds to overcome all the many things, people and matters facing our sovereignty today as a free society.

    Following are FACTS NOT FICITON that we recommend you send along to the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT for their inquiry, investigation, indictments, trials, levy harsh fines, then sentence or banish those guilty from American soil.

    Neo-con or Just Plain Ol' Imperialism Unleashed?

    By William Bowles

    williambowles.info

    16 October, 2003

    What is a neo-con and what are the objectives of the so-called neo-conservative agenda? Most importantly, do their policies represent a radical departure from previous US strategy and if so, how and why?

    There is no simple answer to this question as it is intimately connected to the vast changes that have taken place since the collapse of the Soviet ‘empire’ in 1990. Indeed, one could say that it was the collapse of the Soviet Union that ‘unleashed’ the ‘neo-cons’ on the world, for without a counterbalance to the US, forces long held in check by real politik, were freed from the constraints of détente and the (relative) balance of power achieved in the post-WWII period.

    Based on the assumption that through its overwhelming military superiority facilitated by the IT revolution, the ‘neo-con’ agenda seeks to do what the US has always tried to do and that is impose the ‘free market’ on the entire world and in doing so, take control of the resources and markets needed to feed the insatiable appetite of the US economy and its investors. It’s the methods and the strategy used that singles out the ‘neo-con’s’ philosophy from those who previously had to deal with a different world. A world where the use of force and the threat of the use of force, was more proscribed.

    Underpinning the entire project is energy, that with its junior ‘partner’ the UK, since the end of WWII the US has controlled OPEC notwithstanding. Without control of oil through the dollar, and through the dollar, the world’s economy, the US would be unable bankroll its vast deficit, now over $7 trillion. The urgency of the project is made all the more important because of a number of additional elements: climate change and the fact that energy sources appear to have 'peaked', at least as far as the needs of the US economy is concerned.

    Moreover, the contradictions that have always been inherent in the capitalist mode of production, have reasserted themselves with renewed vigour as the effects of automation (quantum leaps in the efficiency of production, coupled to the export of manufacturing to cheap labour markets) and increasing reliance on financial speculation as a source of profit have combined to produce a crisis, a crisis of global proportions. Vast amounts of over-valued dollars are sloshing about, many of them held overseas by equally fragile economies, especially Japans's. The entire system, balanced on a knife-edge has very little room for manouver.

    It is only by continuous expansion into new markets, that permits the capitalist system to continue. To stop is impossible, it’s like a runaway train. The forces that drive it, are only ‘understood’ in the narrow mathematical sense, all else is driven by specific interests that try to control processes that they barely comprehend. The important factor is what sectors of the economy dominate at any given moment in history?

    Since the end of WWII the US has had an essentially war-based economy with enormous investment — through subsidies by the state into the IT/weapons sector – which has itself propelled the IT revolution.

    The problem with weapons investment is that it’s all inputs and no outputs as far as building an economy that can support an entire culture. It’s like pouring money down the drain. As rich as the US is, without any outputs, such as teachers, hospitals or whatever, sooner or later the state is going go bankrupt, or have to change its ways. Or go to war.

    The ‘neo-con’ clique, entrenched in key sectors of government represents the vested interests of oil/energy, electronics/IT, weapons, influential segments of the media and communications sector (with its connection to weapons through cross-ownership of the IT industry) and elements of the banking and financial sector. To this heady mix we have to add the loose cannon of Israeli imperialism with its commensurate connection back into weapons and oil, via the vast arms subsidies the US gives Israel because of its strategic position as a wedge driven deep into the heart of the oil-rich Middle East.

    A conspiracy of the powerful

    The following names are those most closely associated with the label 'neo-conservative', along with many others not listed here whose connections extend into the more 'traditional' networks of power that run America.

    Donald Rumsfeld, secretary of defence

    Richard Cheney, vice-president

    Elliott Abrams, chief Middle East aide on the National Security Council

    Richard Armitage,

    Douglas Feith, Under-secretary of Defense for Policy

    Paula Dobriansky, Under-secretary of State for Global Affairs

    Michael Rubin & David Wurmser, senior consultants to the State Department and the Pentagon on Iraq policy

    Richard Perle, former chairman of the Defense Policy Board

    Jeanne Kirkpatrick, former United Nations ambassador

    Frank Gaffney, head of the Center for Defense Policy

    Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute

    David Steinmann, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs

    Daniel Pipes, US Institute for Peace and the Middle East Peace Forum

    Otto Reich, Wsetern Hemisphere Affairs

    Colonel Oliver North, Middle Eastern Affairs

    Reps. Eliot Engel, sponsor of the recently passed Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act

    Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of State

    James Woolsey, former director of the Central Intelligence Agency

    Robert Kagan, Project for the New American Century

    Philip Bobbitt, former nuclear arms adviser to Bill Clinton and formulator of ‘pre-emptive war’

    William Kristal, publisher and arch right-winger with strong connections to the Israeli right

    It’s not surprising that many view this cabal as part of a conspiracy, but this assumes that the ‘neo-cons’, plotting and planning from offices on Pennsylvania Avenue exist in splendid isolation, when nothing could be further from the truth.

    Some of the above go back to Nixon days and the Vietnam War and even earlier. All hold views formed during the Cold War period — deeply anti-communist and pro-Zionist views. Some were involved in the formulation of the policy known during the Reagan period as 'low intensity warfare'. Some were directly involved in supporting terrorist groups, assassinations, drug smuggling, gun running and money laundering operations under Reagan. As a group they represent the most virulent and aggressive voice of US imperialism, motivated as much by ideology as by purely economic interests though the confluence of interests and ideology are inseparable.

    But even US capitalism rampant has its limitations. It is constrained, more or less, by many factors, not the least of which is its inability to act rationally. It will even act against the best interests of the nation even as it asserts through propaganda, the patriotic to justify its policies. And of course, capitalism rarely does act as a nation unless directly threatened, but essentially in the interests of those who run the state and of those they represent, a small segment of society with enormous amounts of power and money at their disposal and the networks that link it all together.

    Networks of Power

    These networks are mediated by marriage, inheritance and the interconnections formed between key sectors of the economy, built over the generations but especially through education, the transmission line that maintains ideological control and continuity.

    "The great and evil minds that direct politics from their university cathedra are infinitely more important to our future than the rich but feeble-minded bastards. Indeed, their takeover of American universities, so clearly presented by Saul Bellow in his Ravelstein was the paramount event of the last thirty years. Whoever controls universities, controls the media; who controls media, controls government. Or, in Biblical terms, Leo Strauss begat Wolfowitz, Wolfowitz begat Iraqi War. Milton Friedman begat IMF, IMF begat world poverty. Bernard Lewis begat Samuel Huntington, Samuel Huntington begat the War on Islam. Bernard-Henri Levy begat Andre Sacharov, and the Soviet Union was privatised by Marc Rich and Vladimir Gusinsky."Israel Shamir, The Wise Raven is Dead

    Currently, the most virulent and ideologically driven sector of the power elite has dominance but as recent events demonstrate, they by no means have hegemonic control and, as their Middle East strategy demonstrates, they have been forced to shift the 'burden' of empire building to Israel, even if it is a temporary measure. In part this has been determined by the fact that the military strategy promulgated by Rumsfeld and co is more wishful thinking than realism and secondly, by the cost of the enterprise. Rumsfeld's fantasy of conquering the world with robots reveals a fundamental lack of understanding not only of the role of technology in waging war, but perhaps just as importantly, blinded by their supremacist racist ideology, they simply do not understand. After all, it's not so long ago that the same people were pinning their hopes on defeating the Viet Minh through the overwhelming force of Western technology.

    The myopia of the neo-con ideologues, has proved their undoing as the rapidly unravelling situation in Iraq demonstrates and this may well prove their undoing. But, and this is the important issue, the overall objective of US imperialism will not alter, merely its tactics. We may well have to wait until the next US election to see which faction gains the ascendency. In the meantime, the realities of a bankrupt economy may well determine the direction US imperialism takes. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that the more extreme and desperate elements of the US elite may well 'take the plunge' and expand the 'war on terror' in a direct alliance with Israel. The attack on the US mission in the occupied territories today (15/10/03) or something similar, may well be our 21st century Sarejevo. Indeed, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that today's attack was a deliberate provocation by Israel designed to drag the US more directly into the conflict.

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  82. I NEVER PULL A PUNCH

    February 5, 2009

    To the Honorable President Barack Obama

    Of the Untied States of America

    The White House

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW

    Washington, DC 20500

    Mr. President,

    Your woes laid on you to bear by many foes have been done by those --- high in stature and have been memorialized by many as the saints of our economy and nation and they are linked together in closed loops of power that seems sometimes too sizeable to take them on and down. The prestige that those seek after fame name and fortunes has a great peril in our nation at this time. And when a large populist plays with the stock market to try and make money then they have become similar benefactors in the fraud, cheatments and over the top criminal behavior. All that has been done at the cost of human lives with the intent to defraud in so doing there has been NO-attention given to the RIGHTS of LIFE for the common man or the working mans saneness sovereignty and dignity.

    There you go. What do you want to do near term? Play into their hands while they hold a stacked deck full of aces kings and queens and you have only a pair of duces? That is what they want you to do, cower down like a coward don’t talk back and simply take instructions as OLE GW BUSH did. Are you afraid to take that bunch of criminals on? I might if I were in your shoes.

    I am not in your shoes but my sympathy goes out to you each day when I see you on televised news etc. try to juggle all the things going on.

    Two weeks in the White House and already bad ratings coming down the pike. Did you ever think to watch your back? You better get to doing that RIGHT NOW.

    My simple call for you to do today is increase the staff in the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT by five fold. Then go after all that have had a hand at high theft and acts of treason. And believe me there are many that fits that M-O. You will never gain the respect and admiration that you think you deserve unless you bring back the JUDGMENT SIDE back to our RULE of LAW in our CONSTITUTION.

    Keep charging hard at our enemies deep entrenched in our rich and abundant America.

    Chairman Grass Roots Actions for WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATES WTPA

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  83. I NEVER PULL A PUNCH

    February 12, 2009 LETTER TWO

    To the Honorable President Barack Obama

    Of the Untied States of America

    The White House

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW

    Washington, DC 20500

    OPEN LETTER --- To whom it might concern

    Mr. President,

    The Rule of Law in our Constitution possesses all the fixes for our Federal Government to take a hard stance against the many from within your sphere of influence that have laid siege against WE THE PEOPLE and You using actions conspired commingled communed by the chicken hawk warring factions, out of bounds financial markets and including many in commerce and trade who have aborted the American People for their individual and corporate actions in the Need for Greed.

    Your good words and deeds for WE THE PEOPLE are languishing in a forlorn state due to insurgents in your realm of influence; my take is that from the very beginning of your run for election began making plans to upset you as our first Black President.

    So that is just where you are today. I can nothing about that except be a watchman and bring the sound of Alarm when things that should not happen do.

    The NEO-CONS agenda is not going to go away unless you make them. And the only way you can do that is to MAKE SURE THE LAW OF THE LAND is perfected in criminal prosecuting the thousands who are proven to be the offenders and some higher up as Treason.

    Your fall for them would secure their agenda in RAPING AFRICA. All else is just hogwash to them. The prize for them is getting hold of all the riches that abound in the northern regions of Africa.

    The all white east coast blue blood elites [from the SKULL and BONES] are out to get you.

    And US to so ROB EMMANUEL knows what to do he has been trained in counter espionage. So get with it today---- watch your back.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    JOHN CRONYN In a new radio spot, MoveOn -- big Politico readers over there -- whacks John Cornyn for missing the cloture vote on the stimulus package to attend a conservative gathering in New York.

    "You’d think Senator John Cornyn would be fightin’ like hell for Texas. But just a month into a new term, Cornyn made it clear who he really works for," says the narrator. "On Monday instead of voting to save tens of thousands of jobs and billions in tax cuts for Texas, Senator Cornyn was in New York City toasting Wall Street donors and political insiders – the same people who got us into this mess.

    Cornyn said he didn’t show up, ‘cause his vote wouldn’t have made a difference. But when Wall Street needed a bailout, Cornyn was there and he voted to give them seven hundred billion dollars."

    "Call John Cornyn...and tell him to get back to work for Texas," says the narrator. The group says the ad, which it's also using to raise money, will run in major Texas markets starting tomorrow.

    (The add doesn't mention that Cornyn would have voted against the bill.

    UPDATE: Cornyn spokesman Kevin McLaughlin emails, “This ad is funded by the same group that took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling General David Petraeus ‘General Betray-us.’ They are as wrong now, as they were then. Sen. Cornyn voted against final passage of the partisan spending package. It was a stand he was proud to take for millions of Texans who vehemently opposed this reckless bill.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    GREGG SPEAKS: Judd Gregg tells Politico’s David Rogers: “I couldn’t be Judd Gregg and serve in the Cabinet. I should have faced up to the reality of that earlier.”

    Gregg said the Census was not a major factor in his decision – that the bigger factors were his background as a fiscal conservative and independence. He said he made the White House aware of his concerns as he wrestled with the decisions over the last week. “It’s been very difficult,” he said.

    “The fault lies with me,” Gregg said, refusing to discuss any conversations he has had with Obama himself. Asked if he felt the decision would be an embarrassment for the president, Gregg said, “I may have embarrassed myself but hopefully not him.” (4:57 p.m.)

    ROBERT GIBBS STATEMENT (52 mins after the news broke): “Senator Gregg reached out to the President and offered his name for Secretary of Commerce. He was very clear throughout the interviewing process that despite past disagreements about policies, he would support, embrace, and move forward with the President’s agenda. Once it became clear after his nomination that Senator Gregg was not going to be supporting some of President Obama’s key economic priorities, it became necessary for Senator Gregg and the Obama administration to part ways. We regret that he has had a change of heart." (5:04 p.m.)

    RETIRING: The Union Leader reports Gregg will not be seeking reelection. (5:12 p.m.)

    Accordingly, unless the total procedural processes of the Rule of Law comes sure, strong, confidently and quickly we the greater population may have to weather another storm brewing that of revolution led by the moronic dissents against ALL.

    Dwight Baker

    Chairman for Grass Roots Actions WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATES WTPA

    PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853

    Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077

    E-mail dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  84. I NEVER PULL A PUNCH

    February 6, 2009

    To the Honorable President Barack Obama

    Of the Untied States of America

    The White House

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW

    Washington, DC 20500

    Mr. President,

    When political and military powers have changed hands in humankind history the good and godly inheriting competent stewards as solicitous vanguards has had to set the stage for change by calling out FIRST then pointing out the beast of mankind to give account for their transgressions against the people and the law of the land and their negating and violating the basic rules of mankind’s innate common and decent conscience. Thus, solicitous vanguards that have loved GOD ---- HIS WORDS, WILLS and WAYS have had a call on their lives that many could hear and see and they have rose up from the ashes of defeat many times to fight for the right --- time and time again. The tone, texture and vivid vibrating colors of their messages of hope and victory have been the call on men and women ears to hear --- then see the victory over the next hill each day while working to secure the breaches in their walls ---- to help each endure more onslaught from the enemies within and the enemies outside their gates that have remained opened to the world with open arms to help those willing to stand along side and mount up for the right and denounce all the wrong.

    Thus, those solicitous vanguards records have proved their worth in their words and deeds as being done by proper and ordered parallels of progression.

    You Mr. President are a solicitous vanguard. Your agenda has been straight forward, open and strong to empower and endear people to have the RIGHTS to LIFE in freedoms, sovereignty thus empowering them to enjoy the work from their labors in the security of their personal and communed held wealth. Because of your messages you have proved to a great host that your contagious fervor to fight for the rights of mankind is a goal for other leaders and solicitous vanguards to strive to accomplish with high hopes to emulate.

    Your strength as a solicitous vanguard has been witnessed in your resourcefulness of high expectations. The heartbeat of your mission has been predicated on research study and contemplation for victory ---- believing that your transfer of hopes to others accessed the faith of GOD to provide all the power and divine intervention when needed for success UN abated.

    And from those cores of belief and fear of GOD have come many other solicitous vanguards before our generation of time on this GOD earth.

    Therefore, Mr. President GOD has put the weight of all these messy and pressing political and military matters on your shoulders for you to bring a close and/or resolve in record time.

    Because the entire world population is looking again to you and us as they’re near term recovery and the right path to take to be pleasing unto all.

    Thus amidst all the gloom and sorrowful dejection that many of them and us seem to have today --- it is unto them we owe all. For they are our fellow brothers and sisters in the family of GOD that have been tried and tested time and time again as us. And each of them and us has a stake in our valor to prove our worth to our posterity.

    But from the old lines of vicious illicit barons a tyrannical cancer was allowed to grow in our gut and from those vile and evil deeds done by them on others and us many across the expanse of this earth have been made to suffer.

    Thereby your personal first call to action has been done and quite well ---you pointed to the ones having the problem and invited them to defend their position and they failed.

    Thus the world leaders and their local and contiguous people awaits with strong anticipation to get going on their next call to aid all of us in this the GREASTEST OF QUEST the saga of rebuilding and reequipping all of mankind to do good and shun the wrong in making our planet filled again with plenty so that all might have the RIGHTS to LIFE.

    Grass Roots Chairman for WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATES WTPA

    For info Contact

    PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853

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  85. I NEVER PULL A PUNCH

    February 4, 2009

    To the Honorable President Barack Obama

    Of the Untied States of America

    The White House

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW

    Washington, DC 20500

    Mr. President,

    I would like to challenge your statement made last night. I think NOT that you will be best remembered by your work for our economy, but other things that have home importance at this time and are more worthy and achievable for you to strive for in the history of America and the entire populace of the world.

    FIRST: You must be about the business of our GOD and WE THE PEOPLE in restoring the respect and honor in ALL being obedient to our RULES OF LAW in our CONSTITUTION. You must increase the size of the Justice Department five fold.

    SECOND: Our black American youth are looking unto you as a role model along with all others who are non-white around the world. You must be strong in all your words and deeds and not allow the slip of your tongue to come to quickly from your lips or try to take the blame when you are cover up for others.

    THIRD: You need to be fully aware that you have many enemies hidden in Washington DC. You and WE THE PEOPLE got you where you are and we believed in your message of HOPE. That crowd of coverts is not for you and it is in their best interest to see you fall then fail not only US but also the others mentioned.

    FOURTH: Tell many NO. There are things that you should alone do and making your presence with any that come along is NOT one of them.

    FIFTH: Slow way down assess yours and our enemies from within then plan strategies to war against them.

    My GOD is bigger than any of yours or our problems ----- and HE has strong regards for those who abide by the LAW and for those NOT doing he brings whirlwinds filled with disaster.

    BEST REGARDS MY HOPES DREAMS AND AMBITIONS FOR YOUR SUCCESS IS NOT LIMITED IN ANY MEASURE.

    We the People Advocates WTPA

    PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853

    Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077

    E-mail dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  86. PLEASE ALL READ EVERY WORD THIS WILL WORK

    WE THE PEOPLE

    OF THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA

    DECLARE AND PETITION CONGRESS WITHOUT REDRESS

    THAT WE ENJOIN WITH PLENARY POWERS AT THIS DATE

    AS THE VESTED HIGHEST RANKING CONTROLLING

    COMMUNED MEMBERS OF WE THE PEOPLE

    IN THE CONGRESS AND SENATE

    FROM THIS DATE HENCE FORTH

    TO SET ARIGHT THE WRONGS THUS DONE

    AND RETURN OUR GOVERNING OF

    THE PEOPLE TO THE STATE IT WAS DECLARED TO BE

    ALIGNED WITH THE LAWS HELD SACRED IN OUR

    CONSTITUTION

    WE THE PEOPLE declare that when a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of WE THE PEOPLE, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted; and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression: when the Constitution of our country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of our government has been forcible changed, without WE THE PEOPLES consent, from a federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded by that of Federal Investigative and Enforcement Law and the past and present Executive Branch of the Federal Government and all that have become appointed and employees to duties both are the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the ever-ready minions of power, and the usual instrument of tyrants: when, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is, at length, so far lost by those in power that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms, themselves, of the constitution discontinued; and so far from their petitions and remonstrance's being disregarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into all sorts of terror filled restraints inclusive prisons of despair, and mercenary agents and armies are sent forth to force sovereign nations upon them at the point of the tools of war: when, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of our federal government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements; in such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable right of WE THE PEOPLE to appeal to first principles and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme case, enjoins it as a right towards themselves and a sacred obligation to their posterity to impeach, try, convict, fine, banish without impunity such federal government elected executives, employees, appointees, envoys and to cause to be constitutionally elicited worthy others to be empowered as substitutes in lieu of the next term of elected officials to resume elected powers, calculated to rescue WE THE PEOPLE from impending dangers, and to secure our future welfare and happiness.

    I.

    We declare and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People as a body of lawmakers and we as those who enjoin are responsible and amenable for our acts to the public opinion of mankind. A statement of a part of our grievances is, therefore, submitted to an impartial world, in justification of the hazards but unavoidable step now taken of severing our political support and connection with the present Congress, Senate and Executive Branch of our Federal government and assuming an attitude of remorse for our CONGRESS allowed and empowered actions amiss among those mentioned nations of the earth.

    II.

    Our present past and present Executive leadership [hereafter called it], by its illicit pre-planed war intentions, convinced WE THE PEOPLE and CONGRESS by deception and the horrors inflicted on our soil after 911 that war was imminent. Then induced the American population to pledge their faith to war efforts to restrain, restrict and rid our nation from more acts of terrorism. Thus in so doing WE THE PEOPLE should continue to enjoy our constitution liberty and democratic government to which we had been habituated in the land of our birth, the United States of America. In this expectation they have cruelly disappointed, and have acquiesced in their changes made in the government by it who having altered substantively the constitution of this county, and now offers us the cruel alternation either to abandon our people property and liberties, or submit to the most intolerable of all tyranny, the combined despotism of Federal Law Enforcement and Armies and the vile contemptible past and present Executive Branch of our government.

    III.

    It has sacrificed our people property and welfare toward war efforts in the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan by which our interests have been continually depressed through a jealous and partial course of legislation, and carried on at a far removed from saneness and alien to consent seat of our government, by a hostile Executive majority, and this, too notwithstanding we have petitioned in the humblest terms for CONGRESS to enforce the LAWS of impeachment in accordance with the provisions of the United State Constitution. And WE THE PEOPLE have presented in the media and Internet and to CONGRESS our pleas and without just cause, ALL have been contemptuously rejected.

    IV.

    It has failed and refused to secure absolute justice and has implemented such into the PATRIOT ACT, on a firm basis, the right of trial by jury, that palladium of civil liberty, and only safe guarantee for the life, liberty, and property of all peoples.

    V.

    It has failed to empower more and bring sober judgments and sound resolutions too our public system of education, although possessed of almost boundless resource [public domain] and, although it is an axiom, in political science, that unless a people are educated and enlightened, It is idle to expect the continuance of civil liberty or the capacity for self-government.

    VI.

    It has suffered the Federal Investigative and Enforcers of law officials, and their employees and emissaries stationed among us and abroad, to exercise arbitrary acts of secrecy ambiguity oppression and tyranny; thus trampling upon the most sacred rights of the citizen and rendering the military superior to civil power.

    VII.

    It has dissolved, by force of arms, the nations of Iraq and Afghanistan and obliged the indigenous contiguous people to flee for their lives and from their people and property and seats of governments; thus depriving them of their fundamental rights of life and political right of representation.

    VIII.

    It has demanded the surrender of a number of their citizens, and ordered military detachments to seize and carry them into prisons for trial; in contempt of the civil authorities, and in defiance of the laws of those nations.

    IX.

    It has made piratical attacks upon our treasuries, by commissioning national and foreign desperadoes and mercenaries and Federal Law Enforcement authorizing them to lay claim to territories alien to our core needs. And to expend our national treasuries on the unprovoked wars and enormous buildup of long-term military installations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And to seize property of Iraq and Afghanistan citizens in confiscation for the intended use of the energy barons.

    X.

    It denies us the right of worshiping the Almighty according to the dictates of our own religious zeal conscience and independent commitment to the our GOD, by the illicit use of our personal and combined treasuries and the unconscionable treatment of our military men and women many dying in vain for the needless and endless wars, all calculated to promote the temporal financial interest of its servile alliances to the tyrannical barons of industry, energy and communications rather than the glory of the true and living Creator.

    XI.

    It has constrained us to take away our voice of dissent, which is essential to our defense, the rightful voice of freemen, and precursor to a formidable foe only to tyrannical governments.

    XII.

    It has invaded our homes and homeland with intent to lay waste our territory and elicit safety and security from our homes; and now has a large mercenary of armies at its disposal soon to be advancing to carry on against us and others wars on terror in selective extermination.

    XIII.

    It has, through its secret emissaries, incited the merciless savage, with, sophisticated weapons of war to massacre inhabitants in our offensive invading wars against hapless defenseless nations.

    XIV.

    It has been, during the entire time of our allegiance with it, made contemptible sport and victim of us with it successive laid claims as intolerable revolutionaries towards our constitution, and us and has continually exhibited every characteristic of a weak, corrupt, and tyrannical government led by the wishes of those who have a will to destroy.

    XV.

    These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by WE THE PEOPLE until they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up our combined voice again in defense of the national constitution. We appealed to our brethren for assistance. Our appeals thus far have been made in vain. Through months and even years have elapsed. No sympathetic response has yet been heard from CONGRESS. We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion that the past and present Executive Branch has acquiesced in the destruction of our liberty, and the substitution therefore of a military government--that they insist we are unfit to be free and incapable of self-government.

    XVI.

    The necessity of our mortal and immortal self-preservation, therefore, now decrees our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People to indict and/or impeach try convict fine and banish with out impunity enablers makers and profiteers of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the inclusive war on terror and the enablers and makers of our present financial crisis.

    XVII.

    It has suffered a disproportion of illicit terror on the estimated 750,000 morally sound and believer in the Creator of all fellow believers in Iraq many tens of thousands have left their homes, land people and property fleeing from Iraq during our war efforts for fear of their lives. Thus ridding the commands of our Creator as null and void.

    WE THE PEOPLE, therefore, as the constitutional empowered delegates, with plenary powers, of the people of the United States of America, in solemn sober and resolute connectivity have assembled, appealing to a candid world for the necessities of our conditions, do hereby resolve and declare that our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People. Thus proving that we have severed our political connection with the present Executive Branch of our nation to wit has ended; and that WE THE PEOPLE do now constitute a free, sovereign, and independent highest ranking voice, and are fully invested with all the rights and attributes which properly belong to independent people; and conscious of the rectitude of our intentions, we have fearlessly and confidently committed these issues to the decision of the Supreme Arbiter of the destiny of each as individuals and of WE THE PEOPLE .

    Thus I_______________________________do solemnly swear by a formal oath and by the testament of my name that I am a conjoined contiguous solicitous one of WE THE PEOPLE. And too that extent I fully agree with this------the Collaborated Petition with Pleadings and Demand made on our CONGRESS.

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  87. The point of this item is to "End Imperial Presidency."

    Can we skip the religious ranting? That's not why I'm here.

    Mindless obedience and blind faith is what got us unto this mess in the first place.

    We all know what the problem is. What is the answer? Seriously. In the real world.

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  88. First, before the process of ending the Imperial Arrogance produced by the former administration and continued by the current, we must be aware of what got us to this point in the first place.

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/ THE SECRET TEAM--THE CIA AND IT'S ALLIES IN CONTROL OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD

    This is a free download. 100,000 copies were removed from the book store shelves across this country, the land of the free and home of the brave....

    John McCarthy

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com

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  89. dbaker has practically turned this into a spam list. how do I unsubscribe?

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  90. dbaker, your personal responsibility is to God, as you deem him. However, your social responsibility is to this country, apart from religious affiliation. The reason WE THE PEOPLE founded this country is because we didn't want a King or a Pope to run it.

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  91. vpocv -- are you saying that we're down to simple book burning? What do you mean by "removed?"

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  92. You sound as if you DISLIKE America... I have to vote against this. Just sounds like a CONSPIRACY post.... always negative about America... BUSH was evil... same old shit... get a grip and look to the future.

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  93. John Scott tttahiti

    SPAM some one said. Put up or shut up…. I thought it was time to put up, thus I put up the letters to Obama that was all sent to those in my Universe go read them on the internet then accuse me NOT. So now show us your deeds akin to mine not just some recent thought up words to chide derides and try to get the bully pulpit back.

    Who read PLEASE ALL READ EVERY WORD THIS WILL WORK did that make sense? Who but David has taken the time to study? Now Scott are you a plant of the CIA or WORSE? Maybe you are a want to be big shot but are not. Put up or shut up Scott show us your words then put some meat on your deeds done. It never fails when many fear of being outshined in a forum for discussion to get a plan then a vote some one or many will take all personal then go for the throat. But I don’t care. For many others reading will see the effort to condemn and then just on. Some will even leave the forum when those kinds of folks are around. And if you who took offense at me telling Obama the truth then shame on you, really if offended you could have kept your mouth shut if you really believed in inclusion.

    But on the Internet today inclusion seems to be not needed. When on many like the New York times and others like that the ones posting are in a state of only self and most never read what others had to say just post their BS bitching and griping and go away satisfied the settled their anger crisis.

    Finally John you are right and wrong----right our founders did not want to be a part of the Pope ----yet you are wrong for they never took away power of those that had the bucks to become our kings. So that is where we are today. The Kings rule us … and many think we cannot fight back. And the more that negative post on this or other places they will bring us down and then in the end they will be the first to scream

    “ I TOLD THEM SO. “ but all will know “ they were a day late and a dollar short”

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  94. tttahiti 1 hour ago Report Abuse

    vpocv -- are you saying that we're down to simple book burning? What do you mean by "removed?"

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    Can you understand 'censorship'? Reading the book will explain why the CIA cannot stand the 'written word'.

    John McCarthy

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  95. Confused 1 hour ago Report Abuse

    You sound as if you DISLIKE America... I have to vote against this. Just sounds like a CONSPIRACY post.... always negative about America... BUSH was evil... same old shit... get a grip and look to the future.

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    Don't be confused... I love my country and it is my oath of office that I will protect and defend the Constitution of The United States against all enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC. Bush, et al, said the Constitution was just a goddamn piece of paper. That violated his oath of office. My oath lasts forever.

    I am a two time combat veteran and have observed what Imperial Arrogance in the presidency has done to our country and the world. Thomaa Jefferson said that we citizens can use "any means necessary" to remove those who would disregard the Constitution. It is the government's conspiracy theory of 911 that does not hold water.

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id472.html

    Without 911 there would be no Patriot Act, War Powers Act, Military Commissions Act and no preemptive wars on two countries who did not attack the US. We hanged folks for that after WWII.

    So what is your problem?

    John McCarthy

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id362.html

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  96. If voters have not seen it, they should watch the video "torturing democracy" and see if they still support what is and has gone on in the US. How can Obama NOT immediately begin to at the very least investigate the crimes unless he and other Dems are so very complicit and implicated. I would love to trust him, but I don't, especially since he has surrounded himself with people who should actually be indicted. Blair, Geithner, Summers, etc. Enough already.

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  97. Looking forward, not backward, as Obama suggests, leaves the judicial door wide open for every judge in every court to nol pros every case that comes before the bench BECAUSE, there is no "justice for all" unless and until the perps of 911 are brought before the courts of law and the courts of public opinion. Sorry, the emperor is naked and has been since 911. Mass murder and war crimes must be addressed or this nation will go the way of the Third Reich because this nation has committed the same crimes. The US is a signatory to the Nuremberg Findings and Crimes Against Peace (preemptive wars on sovereign nations who did not attack us) and Crimes Against Humanity (Abu Ghraib, et al) are still on the books even though the Constitution has been trashed. Habeas Corpus anyone?

    John McCarthy

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id245.html

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  98. upocv

    Do you not think or believe that we now the Truth of these matters you listed? Give US your solution to the problem at hand? I thank you for your passion to get to the bottom of all this mess, but please tell us how you think we should do it? That is what this forum is about trying to get at the heart of our problem then solve it. Just crying out for just punishment is not going to get us anywhere. You should know that by now. For eight long years the BUSH BUSH run amuck our nation and simply NO BODY ON THE HILL made a hard effort to get any thing done for us. So give us your solution to the problem at hand. How do we demand justice be done?

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  99. I have a wide circle of friends who do not know the Truth of the matters of torture and Obama's reluctance to do anything about it. They still are starry-eyed about how he's going to change things. I agree about getting to the bottom of what happened on 9/11. I've never been much of a conspiracy theory person, but Bush/Cheney et al. changed my mind on that completely. What to do? Get information out to the "non-bloggers." You actually have to force them to look at these matters. In fact, you have to be ready to lose a lot of friends. I like David Swanson's proposal.

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  100. dbaker007 12 minutes ago ...but please tell us how you think we should do it? ...

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    Here is my recommendation--on how we should do it.

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id149.html

    Related articles are located in the left column.

    John McCarthy

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  101. "Mass murder and war crimes must be addressed or this nation will go the way of the Third Reich..." That's the frightening part. Back then, there was someone big enough to challenge them. Today, there's nobody. Either we handle it from this end, or it doesn't happen. Global slavery, forever. Have we already passed the point of no return?

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  102. vpocv

    I read the site I think I understand your situation. You have my email address if you need anything. I help vets everyday.

    tttahiti...

    Please tell us your thinking that there is NO ONE TODAY THAT CAN CHALLENGE THEM? --- THERE IS NOBODY.... if you are one of us why would you hang around to say that ... if you are a mole then leave right now....we have your number beware.

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  103. I think the presidential claim as commander in chief has been abused to eliminate congressional inhibitions on acts of war. I would like to see that addressed.

    I think the regulatory power is abused and distorted. More of that also belongs to congress.

    However, the presidential pardon is not a major problem. It really degrades the idea by bringing it down to a level of animosity.

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  104. dbaker -- I don't know what you're saying.

    I was saying that Hitler was not the only bully in the playground in his day. There was someone big enough to challenge him.

    Today, there's no one who can put the US in its place.

    No one has ever had this kind of power before, and it's all in the hands of a very small number of the wrong kind of people.

    If we can't take our country back...

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  105. Yikes! Sorry. I clicked on the thumb down by mistake! I thought it was going to tell me how many thumbs down there were. I'd like to be a thumbs up please - great idea!

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  106. Those who believe that we need to 'look forward' and pardon whatever went on in the past fail to realize that it is not a matter of animosity but a matter of 'the rule of law.' If we are to be a people and a country that deserve respect and a place in the world, we must have social justice, and seek a peace that is moral and genuine. That means that we must, at some level, face our own immorality, our own bloody past and present, and include, among the things to happen once the aggression is ended, full reparation, which is a wider term than reconstruction, because while reconstruction is physical, reparation is emotional and spiritual as well.

    Reparation requires facing all that was done wrong. As a first condition of reparation, in this particular aggression, we must look at the architects of evil, which includes all of the Bush cadre, and may include some of the ones who stood by and allowed it to happen, those who preferred to ask no questions while these 'policies' were going on. Because indeed this is not and never has been a partisan issue; it is a moral issue. Morality and truth are non-partisan.

    There is nothing violent or of a malevolent animus about seeking reparation, about demanding an indictment and adjudication of any criminal activity, no matter how high those who designed it, participated in it, or allowed it to take place are in the world of men. Because this is about the rule of law, which applies to all human beings, and pardons no one. If we are to join the nations of the world as a civilized society, we must accept the rule of law.

    The rule of law is fairly well set forth in our own constitution, which forbids torture and 'cruel and unusual punishment,' and in the documents under which the United Nations was incorporated, including compacts entered into by the nations of the planet such as the Geneva Conventions, which we have thumbed our noses at and have broken at every opportunity, despite the fact that we are signatories and are bound by them. These are well thought out prescriptions for collaborative and cooperative coexistence on our wounded planet, without which we will not survive as a (human) race.

    Allowing injustice and impunity to thrive and to remain without consequence is against the rule of law, against the basic physical rules of the universe, which state that to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Reaction is required to the wholesale murder, maiming, torture, oppression, of hundreds of thousands of men, women and children in Iraq and elsewhere...

    The true violence: to allow impunity.

    Statistics show that there is a very small percentage of any population that will in fact take the steps to change things, no matter how bad the conditions, until that 100th monkey effect takes place, until critical mass is achieved. For that reason, those who undertake true activism must work at the risk of their health, family lives, personal comfort, and even at the risk of their lives, to enable the creation of that critical mass.

    Some of us work to end torture and to end social injustice, but I submit that to have a group of committed individuals with the resources of the global village, including internet communication and teleconferencing, gives us an unparalleled opportunity to effect TRUE CHANGE, a true teachable moment to bring forth upon this planet a new global village, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all human beings are created equal and are meant to enjoy the bounties of this planet.

    Many of the nations of Latin America are saying no to US imperial aggression, are saying, yes, otro mundo es posible, and are frequently saying so with their blood, as in Oaxaca a few years ago. They do not participate in violence but stand as witnesses, as the Madres de la Plaza de Mayo stood for thirty long years against the US-sanctioned dictatorship in Argentina, and as such, stand tall despite the consequences. Once again, this is not violence, although unfortunately it frequently leads to violence against the witness, against the woman or man who says PRESENTE with their last breath.

    We must have the courage of our convictions. We must be ready to stand for something, without having to worry about the framing of our most innate and core beliefs. Perennial principles cannot be framed; they simply are.

    There is a new world right outside our peripheral vision. But it cannot take place until we stand up to the issues of the day, and demand full investigations, and that people face the consequences of their acts.

    For all of the victims, all the desaparecidos, all the abused and wounded and vilified, we must cast our votes for investigation and prosecution.

    http://americaisnotacountry.blogspot.com

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  107. The presidential pardon, and failure to bring charges are two different things.

    Obama failed to bring charges. He has not pardoned the Bush administration.

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  108. tttahiti

    History tells the story of Hitler as he was. A con artist cower a derelict dope addict in many ways a bad general a deceiver and a coward who could not face his own death like a man, when in the bunker he sent orders to destroy all the foodstuffs water electric power to make the people suffer because they let him down. The only power that he got was by hook and crook.

    Now this is a forum for discussion of the how to do it. I posted the how to do it that has been accepted by scholars around as being the perfect way for us to take power in DC. But you have refused to read it or think about it or be opened minded enough to catch the dream of being free.

    Thus what are you really about, and why are you here, and who sent you to throw water on the fire that needs to become raging in all of us to get with it while we can. Listen in my estimation this the A TEAM that is needed to get out and about and tell the message in the grass roots hedges and forest of We the People. Obviously in you is FEAR and we do not need that here.

    Now I do not know your circumstance nor you at all, and that is not good a thing for you or me today, so make up your mind to read the many good things that have been said or keep a lid on the WE CANT MAKE IT NOW CRAP.

    Now those that you FEAR are just crooks and they are few. We are many and we are the ones sane sound and willing to put our skin in the game to get our country back. What is new about that? Not a thing and we will change this Nation for the good of each man woman and child and you too. We do not need a king, president or general to give us marching orders. We have the power to take it back soon just read all the good things folks have written here. And many like me have a litany more that could be published and soon will be.

    So calm down chill out and try to settle your FEAR FACTOR then think about stating your case in some kind of tune with the rest of us. None of us here wants to belittle anyone for stating his or her case as you just read. So lets us all beseech for more Peace and strive hand in hand together to take back our Rich and Abundant America TODAY.

    dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  109. Sylvia these are my humble words. …Would you comment suggest alter what ever you see fit for our benefit. You blessed all with your words that out shine all others. I just posted your words on another site that have many ..that like ..to chit chat while behind the scenes or Nation lays in wait for just a few of US 3 to 5 million strong take control.

    WE THE PEOPLE

    OF THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA

    DECLARE AND PETITION CONGRESS WITHOUT REDRESS

    THAT WE ENJOIN WITH PLENARY POWERS AT THIS DATE

    AS THE VESTED HIGHEST RANKING CONTROLLING

    COMMUNED MEMBERS OF WE THE PEOPLE

    IN THE CONGRESS AND SENATE

    FROM THIS DATE HENCE FORTH

    TO SET ARIGHT THE WRONGS THUS DONE

    AND RETURN OUR GOVERNING OF

    THE PEOPLE TO THE STATE IT WAS DECLARED TO BE

    ALIGNED WITH THE LAWS HELD SACRED IN OUR

    CONSTITUTION

    WE THE PEOPLE declare that when a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of WE THE PEOPLE, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted; and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression: when the Constitution of our country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of our government has been forcible changed, without WE THE PEOPLES consent, from a federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded by that of Federal Investigative and Enforcement Law and the past and present Executive Branch of the Federal Government and all that have become appointed and employees to duties both are the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the ever-ready minions of power, and the usual instrument of tyrants: when, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is, at length, so far lost by those in power that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms, themselves, of the constitution discontinued; and so far from their petitions and remonstrance's being disregarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into all sorts of terror filled restraints inclusive prisons of despair, and mercenary agents and armies are sent forth to force sovereign nations upon them at the point of the tools of war: when, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of our federal government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements; in such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable right of WE THE PEOPLE to appeal to first principles and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme case, enjoins it as a right towards themselves and a sacred obligation to their posterity to impeach, try, convict, fine, banish without impunity such federal government elected executives, employees, appointees, envoys and to cause to be constitutionally elicited worthy others to be empowered as substitutes in lieu of the next term of elected officials to resume elected powers, calculated to rescue WE THE PEOPLE from impending dangers, and to secure our future welfare and happiness.

    I.

    We declare and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People as a body of lawmakers and we as those who enjoin are responsible and amenable for our acts to the public opinion of mankind. A statement of a part of our grievances is, therefore, submitted to an impartial world, in justification of the hazards but unavoidable step now taken of severing our political support and connection with the present Congress, Senate and Executive Branch of our Federal government and assuming an attitude of remorse for our CONGRESS allowed and empowered actions amiss among those mentioned nations of the earth.

    II.

    Our present past and present Executive leadership [hereafter called it], by its illicit pre-planed war intentions, convinced WE THE PEOPLE and CONGRESS by deception and the horrors inflicted on our soil after 911 that war was imminent. Then induced the American population to pledge their faith to war efforts to restrain, restrict and rid our nation from more acts of terrorism. Thus in so doing WE THE PEOPLE should continue to enjoy our constitution liberty and democratic government to which we had been habituated in the land of our birth, the United States of America. In this expectation they have cruelly disappointed, and have acquiesced in their changes made in the government by it who having altered substantively the constitution of this county, and now offers us the cruel alternation either to abandon our people property and liberties, or submit to the most intolerable of all tyranny, the combined despotism of Federal Law Enforcement and Armies and the vile contemptible past and present Executive Branch of our government.

    III.

    It has sacrificed our people property and welfare toward war efforts in the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan by which our interests have been continually depressed through a jealous and partial course of legislation, and carried on at a far removed from saneness and alien to consent seat of our government, by a hostile Executive majority, and this, too notwithstanding we have petitioned in the humblest terms for CONGRESS to enforce the LAWS of impeachment in accordance with the provisions of the United State Constitution. And WE THE PEOPLE have presented in the media and Internet and to CONGRESS our pleas and without just cause, ALL have been contemptuously rejected.

    IV.

    It has failed and refused to secure absolute justice and has implemented such into the PATRIOT ACT, on a firm basis, the right of trial by jury, that palladium of civil liberty, and only safe guarantee for the life, liberty, and property of all peoples.

    V.

    It has failed to empower more and bring sober judgments and sound resolutions too our public system of education, although possessed of almost boundless resource [public domain] and, although it is an axiom, in political science, that unless a people are educated and enlightened, It is idle to expect the continuance of civil liberty or the capacity for self-government.

    VI.

    It has suffered the Federal Investigative and Enforcers of law officials, and their employees and emissaries stationed among us and abroad, to exercise arbitrary acts of secrecy ambiguity oppression and tyranny; thus trampling upon the most sacred rights of the citizen and rendering the military superior to civil power.

    VII.

    It has dissolved, by force of arms, the nations of Iraq and Afghanistan and obliged the indigenous contiguous people to flee for their lives and from their people and property and seats of governments; thus depriving them of their fundamental rights of life and political right of representation.

    VIII.

    It has demanded the surrender of a number of their citizens, and ordered military detachments to seize and carry them into prisons for trial; in contempt of the civil authorities, and in defiance of the laws of those nations.

    IX.

    It has made piratical attacks upon our treasuries, by commissioning national and foreign desperadoes and mercenaries and Federal Law Enforcement authorizing them to lay claim to territories alien to our core needs. And to expend our national treasuries on the unprovoked wars and enormous buildup of long-term military installations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And to seize property of Iraq and Afghanistan citizens in confiscation for the intended use of the energy barons.

    X.

    It denies us the right of worshiping the Almighty according to the dictates of our own religious zeal conscience and independent commitment to the our GOD, by the illicit use of our personal and combined treasuries and the unconscionable treatment of our military men and women many dying in vain for the needless and endless wars, all calculated to promote the temporal financial interest of its servile alliances to the tyrannical barons of industry, energy and communications rather than the glory of the true and living Creator.

    XI.

    It has constrained us to take away our voice of dissent, which is essential to our defense, the rightful voice of freemen, and precursor to a formidable foe only to tyrannical governments.

    XII.

    It has invaded our homes and homeland with intent to lay waste our territory and elicit safety and security from our homes; and now has a large mercenary of armies at its disposal soon to be advancing to carry on against us and others wars on terror in selective extermination.

    XIII.

    It has, through its secret emissaries, incited the merciless savage, with, sophisticated weapons of war to massacre inhabitants in our offensive invading wars against hapless defenseless nations.

    XIV.

    It has been, during the entire time of our allegiance with it, made contemptible sport and victim of us with it successive laid claims as intolerable revolutionaries towards our constitution, and us and has continually exhibited every characteristic of a weak, corrupt, and tyrannical government led by the wishes of those who have a will to destroy.

    XV.

    These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by WE THE PEOPLE until they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up our combined voice again in defense of the national constitution. We appealed to our brethren for assistance. Our appeals thus far have been made in vain. Through months and even years have elapsed. No sympathetic response has yet been heard from CONGRESS. We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion that the past and present Executive Branch has acquiesced in the destruction of our liberty, and the substitution therefore of a military government--that they insist we are unfit to be free and incapable of self-government.

    XVI.

    The necessity of our mortal and immortal self-preservation, therefore, now decrees our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People to indict and/or impeach try convict fine and banish with out impunity enablers makers and profiteers of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the inclusive war on terror and the enablers and makers of our present financial crisis.

    XVII.

    It has suffered a disproportion of illicit terror on the estimated 750,000 morally sound and believer in the Creator of all fellow believers in Iraq many tens of thousands have left their homes, land people and property fleeing from Iraq during our war efforts for fear of their lives. Thus ridding the commands of our Creator as null and void.

    WE THE PEOPLE, therefore, as the constitutional empowered delegates, with plenary powers, of the people of the United States of America, in solemn sober and resolute connectivity have assembled, appealing to a candid world for the necessities of our conditions, do hereby resolve and declare that our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People. Thus proving that we have severed our political connection with the present Executive Branch of our nation to wit has ended; and that WE THE PEOPLE do now constitute a free, sovereign, and independent highest ranking voice, and are fully invested with all the rights and attributes which properly belong to independent people; and conscious of the rectitude of our intentions, we have fearlessly and confidently committed these issues to the decision of the Supreme Arbiter of the destiny of each as individuals and of WE THE PEOPLE .

    Thus I_______________________________do solemnly swear by a formal oath and by the testament of my name that I am a conjoined contiguous solicitous one of WE THE PEOPLE. And too that extent I fully agree with this------the Collaborated Petition with Pleadings and Demand made on our CONGRESS.

    Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  110. tttahiti 8 hours ago Report Abuse

    "Mass murder and war crimes must be addressed or this nation will go the way of the Third Reich..." That's the frightening part. Back then, there was someone big enough to challenge them. Today, there's nobody. Either we handle it from this end, or it doesn't happen. Global slavery, forever. Have we already passed the point of no return?

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    Besides the documentation on my site, I again recommend the recent book by Stephen Lendman and J.J. Asongo THE IRAQ QUAGMIRE--THE PRICE OF IMPERIAL ARROGANCE. Also great reads are Michael Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil, and, A Presidential Energy Policy.

    Having these books as reference, along with L. Fletcher Prouty's THE SECRET TEAM--THE CIA AND IT'S ALLIES IN CHARGE OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD will provide you with the wake up call for understanding the slippery slope America and American's find themselves in today's 1984. Orwell must be turning over in his grave!

    John McCarthy

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com

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  111. washingtonpost.com > Metro > Virginia

    Your Comments On...

    Issue of Guantanamo Detainees Simmers in Va.

    The intensifying debate over what to do with 241 detainees in the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, has pushed the candidates for Virginia governor to address widespread speculation that at least two locations in the state, including Alexandria and Fairfax County, could receive...

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    By Amy Gardner

    Commentsvpocv wrote:

    Obviously, President Obama does not yet have a grasp on what traditional military justice trials are all about, nor the propensity for presidential advisors to resort to blatant treachery in violation of presidential directives issued during National Security Council meetings resulting in treason in wartime.

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id1.html

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id258.html

    Would someone please inform the president that the FBI Agent in Charge of Counter Terrorism stated last year that: "The FBI has no hard evidence that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with the events of 911." That puts a clog in the wheels of why we are in Afghansitan in the first place. Beyond that, preemptive invasions are in violation of the Nuremberg Findings on Crimes Against Peace...the premier War Crime. The US is a signatory to the Nuremberg Findings of 1950. The preemptive invasion of Afghanistan places the leadership of the United States along side those whom we hanged for such egregious offensives after WWII.

    (Adj. 1. egregious - conspicuously and outrageously bad or reprehensible; "a crying shame"; "an egregious lie"; "flagrant violation of human rights"; "a glaring error"; "gross ineptitude"; "gross injustice"; "rank treachery"

    Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, appoiinted by President Truman to be the lead prosecutor at the Internaitonal War Crimes Tribuan in Nuremberg, stated the following in his opening remarks to the Jury: "The standards by which we judge these defendants today are the standards by which we shall be judged tomorrow."

    Tomorrow is today.

    Crimes Against Humanity, also described in the Nuremberg Findings of 1950, fits the description of the torture of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib, Bagram and Guantanamo Bay.

    The United States has entered the same class of criminality as the Roman Empire and the Third Reich. Our demise will also be similar.

    John McCarthy

    vpocv@hotmail.com

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  112. vpocv 3 days ago Report Abuse

    The beauty of Li6 Bomb is that it pulverizes everything and leaves virtually no long term residual radiation compared to a fission or atomic bomb as used in hiroshima and of course these are called thermo nuclear because they have a very small fission device to set off the fusion process.

    Introduction to fusion

    Fusion is the fundamental energy source of the universe. It is the process that powers the sun and the stars. In a fusion reaction, large amounts of energy are released when the nuclei of two light atoms (deuterium and tritium) fuse together to form a heavier one, helium. Tapping into this energy source offers the prospect of a long-term, safe, environmentally friendly option to meet the energy needs of a growing world population.

    Fusion is a particularly attractive energy solution as it uses a fuel that is abundant and available everywhere. The primary fuels used in fusion are deuterium and lithium. Deuterium is a hydrogen isotope, which can be readily extracted from water (there is around 30g of deuterium in every cubic metre of water), and lithium is an abundant light metal from which tritium can be generated inside the reactor.

    In hydrogen atoms the centre, or nucleus, contains only one proton. In deuterium the nucleus contains a proton and one neutron, while for tritium there are two neutrons with the proton. The fusion of one deuterium nucleus with a tritium nucleus makes a new nucleus of the element helium (also known as an alpha particle), a neutron and energy – lots of it! The extra neutron can be used to generate more tritium fuel from lithium. One gram of fusion fuel could generate 100 000 kilowatt hours of electricity – to supply the equivalent power you would need to burn eight tonnes of coal!

    To ignore and berate the presence of Deuterium and Tritium found "together" in the WTC complex is to believe carnivores can become vegetarians. The 'sands' of time continue and the world is not flat.

    vpocv 3 days ago Report Abuse

    The comparison photos on the page http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id472.html

    show the thrust and power of the device used in the WTC complex.

    The former US administration would have us believe that the laws of physics were suspended for this incident.

    This is impossible and these photographs provide empirical evidence that the official explanation is a complete fabrication.

    The ONLY questions left are these, what types of bombs were used and how many?

    It takes energy to project matter upwards and outwards. The only way to achieve the effect caught in the above photographs is from an explosion.

    To heave a 105 ton configuration of steel in an arc over 350 feet and impaling it in the Deutsche Bank building across the street from the WTC requires massive energy not found in conventional explosives.

    It is not like Hollywood, there are no big flames, it is a pressure wave. That's what is caught on camera.

    If the current administration continues to ignore the facts in this matter of mass murder, they, by law, become complicent as accessories after the fact. This informaion compells the jury of public opinion to scream for justice.

    John McCarthy

    vpocv@hotmail.com

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  113. Why don't the wingnut kooks ever whine about redistribution of wealth when we are financing tax cuts for the wealthy with deficit spending paid for by future taxes of ALL Americans?

    When Bush was creating deficits out of the surplus he inherited I never heard a single wingnut get up and crow about the unfair "redistribution of wealth".

    Why is that?

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  114. What's a wingnut?

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  115. Wingnut (slang) a term originating in East London in the early 1980s amongst 'alternatives' students, artists and bohemians to refer to uneducated violent working class young men - especially skinheads.

    But basically, it’s a conservative republican. Someone that believes the earth is 6000 years old or someone that believes that dinosaur bones were put in the ground by godless liberals in order to confuse believers. Someone that thinks black people bear the mark of Cain or call them mud-people. It’s someone who thinks torture is freedom and freedom is not having Habeas Corpus.

    It basically covers the spectrum of kooky, fascist, right wing ideologues.

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  116. But basically, it’s a conservative republican. Someone that believes the earth is 6000 years old or someone that believes that dinosaur bones were put in the ground by godless liberals in order to confuse believers. Someone that thinks black people bear the mark of Cain or call them mud-people. It’s someone who thinks torture is freedom and freedom is not having Habeas Corpus. --luvwith

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    Agreed!

    Seems to me Genesis has it all wrong re dinasaurs bones dating back to 250 million years old and sea shells imbedded on the mountain tops.

    The Seashell on the Mountaintop: A Story of Science Sainthood and the Humble Genius Who Discovered a New History of the Earth (Hardcover) $2.59 at Amazon.

    The Wing Nuts will never be the same....

    John McCarthy

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  117. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/SAP.html

    Is treachery against the president continuing in Washington, D.C. as it has in the past administrations? Dare we ask?

    John McCarthy

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id30.html

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id120.html

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  118. http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id552.html

    "new world order" certainly effects the Imperial Presidency and the arrogant activities sponsored by the US in 106 countries, currently.

    Related articles are located in the left column.

    John McCarthy

    vpocv@hotmail.com

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  119. Here is what the Imperial Presidency has pummeled us with for the past 95 years....and counting!

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id545.html Related articles are located in the left column.

    The Imperial Presidency has been in lock-step with the Bank of England since 1913 and it is time to expose this fraud upon the country.

    John McCarthy

    vpocv@hotmail.com

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  120. vpocv

    Please stop this madness; you’re clear intentions are known of disrupting this forum. It is obvious that you have a single source provider of information, I looked over the site it is old. It is still calling for the impeachment of Bush.

    If you are a veteran and sick go get some help.

    There is much more at stake at this time than crying and bitching about 911. Most here know the facts of 911, but that is not the agenda at this time. The real agenda of this forum has been stated over and over again and you and a few others:

    Refuse to read,

    Or are mentally incapable of following along

    Or are a mole sent to disrupt.

    Whatever slot you fit into I suggests you desist.

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  121. Preach not to me, baker, I don't need an interpreter to talk to God. Crying wolf gets you noticed for what you are. The war on terror is the war on truth. Truth is free. If you don't like the information, don't read it. Your suggestions to desist reek of censorship. What particular straw broke your back? 911? You still think a man wearing a turbin sitting in a cave had anything to do with the events of 911? The FBI does not think so. Who is your source for your propaganda and libel?

    John McCarthy

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  122. vpocv=John McCarthy

    The same old song you have sung around here has been heard. You my friend is not the one being preached to but you want the bully pulpit to preach the same sermon over and over again. Using the same one sermon John McCarthy. Chill out desist you have accomplished your goal at hand made a mockery of who and what you are.

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  123. And yet just a few days ago you were offering me counsel as the preacher you claim to be..tsk tsk.

    If you are the policeman of this forum, show us your badge and ID.

    Otherwise, you fail to meet the low standards you set for yourself.

    John McCarthy

    US Citizen, Combat Veteran and Free to Talk and post what my heart desires, on topic of course.

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  124. david Idea Submitter

    Has everyone asked all their friends to come vote for this proposal, blogged about it, Emailed it, etc? Let's keep working on making it better, but let's get more people behind it!

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  125. re: "Who in their right and sane mind would ever allow a criminal to go free just because they told the TRUTH? "

    It happens a lot... that is why immunity exists in the first place. It's done when there is a perceived greater benefit.

    I'm not saying I'd *prefer* to give immunity to the previous administration for these things. I'm just of the opinion that, if prosecution is not going to happen for whatever reason, offering immunity in exchange for information would be better than nothing, if it would reveal truths that would lead to additional laws or new monitoring or enforcement mechanisms to prevent such abuses from happening in the future.

    In short, while I am absolutely not excusing Bush et al of anything, I am more concerned with making sure that such things don't happen again than I am with putting these people in jail, which, honestly, I feel is unlikely to happen anyway. And I'm more worried about what another president might do in the future if we don't put more protections in place. I think that's a greater threat than the possibility of Bush/Cheney doing more of what they've done, since they are now out of office.

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  126. Scott, you are probably correct. Bush, et al, will not be prosecutred for mass murder or war crimes.

    However, pardoning them for mass murder and war crimes places them in that category for eternity....pardoned murderers and war criminals, forever! How neat is that!!

    If that should come to pass, then all we would have to do is prevent the relatives of those murdered on 911 from taking civil action against those being pardoned. Plus they might need body guards forever. And they won't be able to travel outside the USA because warrants will be issued for their arrests from trials conducted in absentia in those countries where the victims of 911 once resided: Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, China, Venezuela, etc.

    Or...

    http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id644.html

    John McCarthy

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  127. DAVID PLEASE ADHERE SOME HERE ARE OF THIS MINDSET

    LACK OF REASON SUICIDE

    The laid shallow faint and fallow of human reason are present today in the many inane morose political morons that has retarded them to not ponder and then wonder what is next when all signs say we are under attack? Those many in that group you might know some of them …are those that has become easily deceived easily led along the corridor to extinction then easily led up to the cliff of no return to commit lack of reason suicide. And they have not a clue how to help us along to form coalitions of the sound and sane to take back our country at this time.

    Personal worth required by some of us today that should be respected to lead the hard charge away from stupidity back to civility is near non-existence. Simply all are fair game for the inane morose political morons to come along and devour. And those many that have not a clue what to do but to chide and deride any and all plans that come along that have merit and they my friend are the enemy within that has been deceived by the crowd. They are in the pack of wild dogs so called self actualized mankind known to be under educated and overt ones lacking in edicts of the conscience and common sense and reason and some many more have been anesthetized by drugs thus that many are lacking in all the basic requirements to be called contributing civilized humans. Thus they have been led to the cliff of no return and committed lack of reason suicide?

    The consequences of being easily led into a stupor of stupidity have been the agenda for those in the crowd at our gates and coming over our walls for over fifty years. And that sadist bunch the crowd at this time is laying in wait and pushing for the final non-violent take over of us and against our ownership of our Great Rich and Abundant America Ship called Freedom. And this final attack has been made much easier for the crowd for the have seduced the many inane morose political morons to gone over the cliff and commit the lack of reason suicide. And in the annals of history they will be known as the ones that fit into that mold and was made easy fodder for the earths kings the crowd to devour in all ways. For the inane morose political morons were easily led to the cliff of no return and committed lack of reason suicide.

    What must we do as civilized educated mankind do… at this time to make plans to survive? We must not give ear or make public the endless chatter that comes form the inane morose political morons that have while yet still living been easily led to the cliff of no return and committed lack of reason suicide.

    Yes many of them were born Americans and Yes we should help them recover best as we can but the importance of us doing that is not RAW FOCUS at this time. Their voices must be recognized then shut down called out for what they are and remanded to desist by all promptly.

    Freedom of free speech must come from those at this time that respect our freedom as men and women who fight for that freedom. All opposed to fighting the right way for our freedoms to go on, as they will and must, should be shunned and their bully pulpit refused. For even though they yet still live they are dead to us for they were easily lead down the dark corridor of extinction and up to the cliff of no return and committed the lack of reason suicide.

    We those sane sound with a good mind PLEAD with you to JOIN IN and set your face like flint to work the work needed to form our own lobby in DC the only way to take back our Great Rich and Abundant America Ship called Freedom.

    THE VOICES FOR WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATES ---WTPA for Grass Roots Actions needed for forming our own truth filled lobby in Washington DC to power push our VOICES and VOTES of the people for our rights to life in acts of equity with Justice.

    Dwight Baker Chairman PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853 Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077 Contact E-mail dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  128. U.N. calls U.S. human rights record "deplorable."

    A new report suggests the U.S. may have committed war crimes -- and endorses the formation of a truth commission.

    http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2009/05/29/un_report/

    (Every adult citizen of the US is guilty of conspiracy after the fact. Some of us for days, some for years... Willful ignorance doesn't cut it.)

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  129. tttahiti = DAVID HERE IS PROOF NOW IF YOU ARE THE MODERATOR DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

    The UN was started by J. D. Rockefeller the Bilderbergs own the

    UN SMOKE SCREEN------any news report is sancitoned by the Bilderbergs for they own all of them. Truth Commission means nothing to our RULE of LAW in our Constitution. So what is your point please tell us, and what are you doing in this forum to just repeat lies?

    And the last little bit WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT FROM CHENEY OR ROVE OR KISSINGER. THAT IS JUST FEAR TACTIC SO GO SHOVE IT WHERE YOU FOUND IT. AND TAKE A HIKE FROM HERE RIGHT NOW.

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  130. Ach du liber, der polizei von Gott's Himmel ist kaput in der kopf!

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  131. DAVID I leave this with you good luck hope you get something that all can agree to do. I tried my best but that was not good enough any forum must have some one at control.

    Just look at what the above insane freak did.

    I thought this might have been for the informed folks but I was wrong. They all left as myself when the LACK OF REASON commits SUICIDE come around.

    You know who I am and I will aid this site best as I can when asked.

    Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  132. dbaker -- What the hell are you talking about and what is your problem? Never mind. Just get a grip. Take your pills. Whatever you imagine I've done is only in your head. We are on the same side.

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  133. vpocv wrote:

    "...Bush, et al, will not be prosecutred for mass murder or war crimes.

    However, pardoning them for mass murder and war crimes places them in that category for eternity....pardoned murderers and war criminals, forever! How neat is that!!"

    If that's the best we can do, then so be it. However, if the only attainable deterrent can be an implicit admission of guilt from a granting of presidential pardons for these war criminals, it may not be enough of a disincentive for future tyrannical administrations who are inclined to adopt similar policies and commit similar atrocities. That's to say, if the worst they can expect is to be pardoned, they may consider such a potential consequence as virtual impunity.

    I insist upon indictments. Realistically, however, I understand there may be none. If that proves correct, pardons will have to suffice. But the act of pardoning the Bush criminals will not speak well of our current president in terms of adherence to the rule of law and justice.

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  134. I wasn’t thinking in terms of a blanket pardon, but rather immunity in exchange for testimony, so that we can not only fully understand what happened, but also then in place the appropriate rules and oversight to make sure it can’t happen again. The goal is, as this topic is titled, ending the imperial presidency, and preventing it from returning.

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  135. teafork, I want to say, loudly, hear, hear. Who will make reparations to the widows and orphans of the murdered?

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  136. These ideas are right on target!

    The US must prosecute those who approved and organized illegal wars, illegal torture, illegal wiretapping and a thousand other law violations.

    Or, we are no long a nation ruled by law. We are a nation ruled by dictators or kings who rule for 4 or 8 years at a time -- who we call presidents.

    Mr. Obama must act or he is part of the crime wave. Congress must act or they are part of the crime wave.

    We must act! We must say we do not condone these crimes. We demand prosecution. We demand justice! And let the chips fall where they may.

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  137. Silvia & David this crew has not a clue, they think of only them them them,

    My take forget about them and go on alone more will show up that can think, providence is at work the dividing out has begun and will not end till the world is at peace as it was designed to be by our creator long ago. Mankind is finally learning one by one that a group in a communed setting for the good of all preserving the rights to life for all in equity as justice rules can rule rightly. Thus the need to get crooks president’s high potentates and the warmongers involved any more is just a stupid ass practice against the better judgments of all of mankind.

    Pass along your advice on the petition to present to CONGRESS.

    Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  138. #1: PROSECUTION SAYS, "WE'RE SORRY!!" TO THE WORLD. Prosecution may be the ONLY APOLOGY the world will both accept (from an indifferent and self-involved American People), and that will keep us safer in the years to come -- since the BLOWBACK from torture will now last generations to come.

    #2: ONLY PROSECUTION WILL HEAL THIS NATION'S SHAME AND HUMILIATION AT WHAT THE BUSH REGIME HAS DONE...THE MASS MURDERS, THE TORTURES, THE RAPES, THE FRAUD AND EMBEZZLEMENT, THE MASS DESTRUCTION!PSY We will be a nation, like "Good Germans" who turned their faces away, forever humiliated and psychologically traumatized by these horrific and sadistic crimes committed NOT in our names, but BECAUSE OUR LEGISLATORS EITHER LOOKED AWAY, OR PROFITED FROM THESE PRESIDENTIAL CRIMES.

    #3. THE LAW IS THE LAW!!!!

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  139. Silvia A. Brandon Pérez wrote:

    "teafork, I want to say, loudly, hear, hear. Who will make reparations to the widows and orphans of the murdered?"

    Indeed, Silvia. While our corporate media conceal facts from the masses to suit their own ends, people grow increasingly apathetic. As such, less and less pressure for the reparations you speak of is applied upon elected officials. When a nation is persistently dominated by corporate interests through information filtering and the relentless push of mindset-molding propaganda, pure hell will ensue for many defenseless victims. As long as the powers that be keep the greater proportion of Americans in ignorant bliss, nothing is likely to change for the better.

    My heart goes out to the countless devastated Iraqi families. So many innocent people have paid an incomprehensible price for corporate greed and power lust.

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  140. Reparations? How? With over a million murdered and --

    "In Pakistan, an exodus that is beyond biblical"

    Around the world, only a handful of war-spoiled countries – Sudan, Iraq, Colombia – have larger numbers of internal refugees. The speed of the displacement at its height – up to 85,000 people a day – was matched only during the 1994 genocide in Rwanda. This is now one of the biggest sudden refugee crises the world has ever seen.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/in-pakistan-an-exodus-that-is-beyond-biblical-1693513.html

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  141. The only thing that would remotely approach 'reparations' (at least on some level) would be to bring the perpetrators to justice, then persist to facilitate as many of the victims as possible with an implementation of various support structures. Although what could be done wouldn't be nearly enough, it would be far better than allowing those in power to sweep the matter under the rug. And it would be far better than leaving the door open for the same sort of horrific acts to occur again at some point in the future.

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  142. david Idea Submitter

    I'm not a moderate or a moderator :-)

    If I have some special moderating powers as a result of having posted this proposal I'm unaware of it.

    But if I were aware of it, I'm not sure what I would do.

    If people threaten violence or other harm, libel, instigate hate crimes, abuse a public forum to sell things, etc., then I could see clicking those little "Report Abuse" links that show up in each post for me, and I assume for everyone. (Or do only I see those?)

    But if people are misinformed, misguided, paranoid, conspiratorial, hostile, abusive, distrustful, arrogant, impatient, or just angry, well the best remedy for that sort of free speech is more free speech.

    The people some of you want censored for makng fools of themselves can make better fools of themselves without your help.

    Onward!

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  143. The "report abuse button" seems to be there for everyone. Just wave your cursor over a post and it pops up.

    I see a little "report abuse" on some posts that doesn't make sense. I don't see anything in this thread, for example, that deserves reporting and I don't know what it means.

    I'm wondering whether I annoyed the local troll by hitting it accidentally.

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  144. david Idea Submitter

    Everyone should feel free to report abuse as they perceive it, but those reports do not go to me.

    Also, I am no longer able to revise the proposal (this lousy website won't let me, although it did let me for a few days).

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  145. david 13 minutes ago

    To David ONLY no others reply please.

    Seems today no single one wants to be held liable for anything. However that to me does not prove a thing. I could care less whether you felt liable or not. It is not unto you to judge your self but unto us the greater number of this group doing our best to communicate over the drum beats and screams coming from just a few of the misfits morons and exclusionist.

    That is exactly what this forum represent THE RULE OF LAW ---- from the raw essence found in conscience and upwards from that ----- who sets it what is it who is it that enforces it against the offenders. Now tell us real clearly again what you would or would not do if you were the one who could pull the plug on the dissents.

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  146. david Idea Submitter

    I haven't read everything but haven't noticed abuse (much less crimes) to report and haven't reported any.

    Let's discuss possible improvements to the proposal above.

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  147. David and all others we have all been duped read on to find out more what David said about changing this lousy website. That has never been the intent ---- this like many more things going on is Nazi Germany again taking aim. ---- The Beast back then is the same bunch today---

    About the Academy

    Congressional Charter

    CONGRESSIONAL CHARTER

    PUBLIC LAW 98-257­­APRIL 10, 1984

    98th Congress

    An Act

    To charter the National Academy of Public Administration.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. CHARTER.

    The National Academy of Public Administration, organized and incorporated under the laws of the District of Columbia, is hereby recognized as such and is granted a charter.

    SECTION 2. POWERS.

    The National Academy of Public Administration hereinafter referred to as the Academy" shall have only those powers granted to it through its bylaws and articles of incorporation filed in the State or States in which it is incorporated and subject to the laws of such State or States.

    SECTION 3. OBJECTIVES AND PURPOSES OF CORPORATION.

    The objects and purposes for which the Academy is organized shall be those provided in its articles of incorporation and shall include:

    evaluating the structure administration, operation, and program performance of Federal and other governments and government agencies, anticipating, identifying, and analyzing significant problems and suggesting timely corrective action;

    foreseeing and examining critical emerging issues in governance, formulating practical approaches to their resolution;

    assessing the effectiveness, structure, administration, and implications for governance of present or proposed public programs, policies, and processes, recommending specific changes;

    advising on the relationship of Federal, State, Regional, and local governments; increasing public officials', citizens', and scholars' understanding of requirements and opportunities for sound governance and how these can be effectively met; and

    demonstrating by the conduct of its affairs a commitment to the highest professional standards of ethics and scholarship.

    SECTION 4. SERVICE OF PROCESS.

    With respect to service of process, the Academy shall comply with the laws of the State or States in which it is incorporated and the State or States in which it carries on its activities in furtherance of its corporate purposes.

    SECTION 5. MEMBERSHIP.

    Eligibility for membership in the Academy and the rights and privileges of members shall be as provided in the bylaws of the corporation.

    SECTION. 6. BOARD OF DIRECTORS; COMPOSITION; RESPONSIBILITIES.

    The board of directors of the Academy and the responsibilities thereof shall be is provided in the articles of incorporation of the Academy and in conformity with the laws of the State or States in which it is incorporated.

    SECTION. 7. OFFICERS OF CORPORATION.

    The officers of the Academy and the election of such officers shall be as is provided in the articles of incorporation of the Academy and in conformity with the laws of the State or States wherein it is incorporated.

    SECTION. 8. RESTRICTIONS.

    No part of the income or assets of the corporation shall inure to any member, officer, or director of the Academy or be distributed to any such person during the life of this charter. Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prevent the payment of reasonable compensation to the officers and members of the Academy or reimbursement for actual necessary expenses in amounts approved by the board of directors.

    The Academy shall not make any loan to any officer, director, or employee of the corporation.

    The Academy and any officer and director of the corporation, acting as such officer or director, shall not contribute to, support, or otherwise participate in any political activity or in any manner attempt to influence legislation.

    The Academy shall have no power to issue any shares of stock nor to declare or pay any dividends.

    The Academy shall not claim congressional approval or Federal Government authority for any of its activities, other than by mutual agreement.

    The Academy shall retain and maintain its status as a corporation. organized and incorporated under the laws of the District of Columbia.

    SECTION 9. LIABILITY.

    The Academy shall be liable for the acts of its officers and agents when acting within the scope of their authority.

    SECTION 10. BOOKS AND RECORDS INSPECTION.

    The Academy shall keep correct and complete books and records of account and shall keep minutes of any proceeding of the Academy involving any of its members, the board of directors, or any committee having authority under the board of directors. The Academy shall keep at its principal office a record of the names and addresses of all members having the right of vote. All books and records of such corporation may be inspected by any member having the right to vote, or by any agent or attorney of such member, for any proper purpose, at any reasonable time. Nothing in this section shall be construed to contravene any applicable State law.

    SECTION 11. AUDIT OF FINANCIAL TRANSACTlONS.

    The first section of the Act entitled "An Act to provide for audit of accounts of private corporations established under Federal law" approved August 30, 1964 (36 U.S.C. 1101), is amended by adding at the end thereof the following:

    "(61) National Academy of Public Administration.".

    SECTION 12. ANNUAL REPORT.

    The Academy shall report annually to the Congress concerning the activities of the corporation during the preceding fiscal year. Such annual report shall submitted at the same time as is the report of the audit require by section 11 of this Act. The report shall not be printed as a public document.

    SECTION l3. RESERVATION OF RIGHT TO AMEND OR REPEAL CHARTER

    The right to alter, amend, or repeal this Act is expressly reserved to the Congress.

    SECTION 14. DEFINITION OF "STATE".

    For purposes of this Act, the term "State" includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the territories and possessions of the United States.

    SECTION 15. TAX-EXEMPT STATUS.

    The corporation shall maintain its status as an organization exempt from taxation as provided in the Internal Revenue Code. If the corporation fails to maintain such status, the charter granted hereby shall expire.

    SECTION 16. TERMINATION.

    If the corporation shall fail to comply with any of the restrictions or provisions of this Act the charter granted hereby shall expire.

    SECTION 17. SERVICE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

    The National Academy of Public Administration shall, whenever called upon by Congress, or the Federal Government, investigate, examine, experiment, and report upon any subject of government, the actual expense of such investigations, examinations, and reports to be paid by the Federal Government from appropriations available for such purpose.

    Approved April 10, 1984.

    LEGISLATIVE HISTORY ­­ H.R. 3249 (S. 2102)

    HOUSE REPORT No. 98-491 (Committee on the Judiciary).

    CONGRESSIONAL RECORD:

    Vol. 129 (1983): Nov. 14, considered and passed House.

    Vol. 130 (1984): Mar. 27, considered and passed Senate.

    2006 National Academy of Public Administration. All rights reserved.

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  148. TO ALL THE LITTLE TRITE LIKE MICE OF MEN AND SORRY AS HELL WOMEN IN SNOOPING FOR OLE UNCLE SAM----THE BILDERBERGS

    ON CAPITOL HILL PUSHING THE KILL BUTTON TO TAKE WHO EVER THEY DEEM AS A MISFIT OUT

    WE GOT YOUR NUMBER

    SO THAT IS YOU’RE WARNING AND BEFORE THE DAWN BREAKS TOMORROW THIS WILL BE ALL OVER MY UNIVERSE

    AND WE WILL BE PUSHING EVEN HARDER TO LAY CLAIM TO CAPITOL HILL SOONER THAN YOU THINK

    THEN THE FIRST THING WE WILL DO IS FIND YOUR NUMBER TIED TO YOUR PAY STUBS THEN YOU WILL BE UNDER ARREST LIKE ALL THE REST.

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  149. dbaker: Your grammar is atrocious and your posts are nearly unreadable. It is not a contest to see how long you can make a single run on sentence aimed at criticizing the education of others.

    Come on brother, if you are going to criticize the education of other people you need to be able to write at least one complete accurately punctuated sentence per page. You posts are unreadable so whatever your message is no one will bother to find out.

    Seriously man…I read this and I say to myself, “who cares what this dude has to say?”

    “Those many in that group you might know some of them …are those that has become easily deceived easily led along the corridor to extinction then easily led up to the cliff of no return to commit lack of reason suicide.”

    Or how about this gem:

    “They are in the pack of wild dogs so called self actualized mankind known to be under educated and overt ones lacking in edicts of the conscience and common sense and reason and some many more have been anesthetized by drugs thus that many are lacking in all the basic requirements to be called contributing civilized humans.”

    That’s frickin’ unreadable man! How many distinct and separate ideas can you cram into one run on sentence without so much as a comma, all while criticizing the education of other people. I’m no English major, but dude…you are borderline retarded.

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  150. uvwith 5 minutes ago

    We know you are a mole getting a green USA CHECK for being a snoop.

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  151. uvwith 5 minutes ago

    Are you the NAZI creep that pulls the kill switch? If you are did you take an oath to protect our rights in the Constitution?

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  152. to MR. MS. IT UVWITH or luvwith or dimwitt

    They are in the pack of wild dogs

    so called self actualized mankind

    known to be under educated

    and overt ones

    lacking in edicts

    of the conscience

    and common sense

    and reason

    and some many more

    have been anesthetized by drugs

    thus that many are lacking

    in all the basic requirements

    to be called contributing civilized humans.”

    NOW DIMWIT OR LUVWITH OR UVWITH you are a moron you knew all along what those words said but you had to make your point and you did

    So turn off you computer in the low basement rat infested building of the CIA and go find a place to sleep in some ragged ass car in a back alley in DC---- NOW DID YOU GET THAT? Was that clear enough?

    And remember this real clear

    I respect all of mankind for I am one

    I fear no man for my God is by my side

    I do fear my God for I believe lies

    like this Web site and that takes away from my time doing better things for Him.

    David looks like you got the rod or you are one of them WHO KNOWS one thing for sure before morning comes all in the USA and around the world will know about this and the names of those that chatted back a forth.

    dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  153. LOOKS TO ME THAT to MR. MS. IT UVWITH or luvwith or dimwitt

    Turned off the computer and went to find a place to sleep.

    For all the good others this is just one more sad case in America today.

    We my Friends are under attack and many doing so are plants.

    dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  154. End Imperial Presidency

    david 5 days ago

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    Leave the White House less imperial than you found it. Appoint an independent prosecutor to prosecute Bush, Cheney, and their top officials in order to deter in the future the crimes of aggressive war, misleading congress, defrauding congress, misspending funds, war crimes, murder, warrantless spying, torture, domestic propaganda, violations of the Hatch Act and the Voting Rights Act, obstruction of justice, misprision of felony, retaliating against whistleblowers, etc. Restore to Congress the power to legislate, the power to begin and end wars, the power to raise and spend money, the power to approve or reject treaties and appointments, and the power to oversee the functioning of the federal government including through the power of impeachment and the power of inherent contempt. That means no more signing statements rewriting laws, and instead support for legislation that would criminalize such behavior. And it means similar action on each of the other offenses.

    We, the people, must:

    Demand that Congress ban the use of funds for any activities created in violation of the law by presidential signing statements.

    Amend the Constitution to clearly ban the use of presidential pardons to pardon crimes authorized by the president.

    Amend the War Powers Act and the Constition to include the requirement that Congressional authorizations of war include time limits of no more than 12 months, after which Congress must vote again to extend the war or end it, to disallow the unconstitutional initiation of wars without Congressional approval, and to make the law enforceable.

    Make war profiteering by any war maker a major felony. This would apply to any employee of the federal government or anyone who had within the past decade been an employee of the federal government.

    Legislate a requirement that, in any war, the military aged children and grandchildren of the president, the vice president, all cabinet officials, and all Congress members serve on the front lines in the most dangerous combat positions -- no exceptions, no exemptions.

    Prohibit the use of mercenaries or any armed contractors, as well as the use of any military force on American soil except when directly engaged in defensive war against a foreign nation.

    Repeal the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, the 2008 FISA Amendments Act, the Protect America Act, the original Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, and the PATRIOT Act.

    Ban secret budgets, secret laws, and secret agencies.

    Change the Senate rules to eliminate the filibuster.

    Create a task force to research whether the Senate has ever served any useful purpose not better served by the House.

    End all rendition, as distinct from extradition.

    Amend the Constitution to make the ban on ex-post-facto laws include any laws that would retroactively grant immunity for crimes.

    Amend the Constitution to bar the vice president from exercising executive power.

    Amend the Constitution to clarify the congressional power of inherent contempt.

    Amend the Constitution to include the right to vote and to have one's vote counted publicly at the polling place.

    Give Washington, D.C., full voting representation in Congress.

    Amend the Constitution to ban private financing of campaigns, create public financing, and provide free air time to candidates.

    Sign and ratify the Rome treaty to join the International Criminal Court.

    *****

    OPTIONAL PART 2 OF THIS PROPOSAL - Drafted and withheld at first, posted May 29th in response to useful comments from ttahiti and many others posted below.

    Release more evidence, and support organizations suing in court for the release of evidence.

    Ask Congress to update and reissue the subpoenas that were refused during the 110th Congress, and to enforce them through inherent contempt.

    Support media reform and independent media outlets. Break up the monopolies. Invest in public media, including an E-Span election network to provide free substantive election coverage.

    Advance a long-term vision in which the corrupting influences of money, media, and party are restrained, and our rights are restored, enforced, and expanded, including the right to vote and to have our votes counted publicly and locally, equal rights for all, environmental rights, the right to education and healthcare, worker rights, the right to basic welfare, freedom of press, freedom from war lies, and the right to know your rights.

    Push for approval, ratification, and enforcement of international human rights treaties. Build toward Constitutional amendments or a convention with a plan to establish the right to know the laws and to have them applied equally, a ban on signing statements, whistleblowers protected, inherent contempt established, corporations stripped of human rights, monopolies restricted, clean campaign money and free media created, the power of parties reduced, nonpartisan (not bipartisan) redistricting, limiting election seasons, no more electoral college, a bigger House with no Senate, the right to be represented, no appointing of senators, limiting terms for judges, requiring a balanced budget, limiting bills to single topics and requiring clarity, allowing legislation by public initiative, allowing recall elections, creating citizen assemblies, and developing a fourth (people's) branch of government.

    Why Is This Idea Important?

    Empires end and they can end happily by voluntarily reforming, or they can end miserably by refusing to.

    In response to David’s request for discussion on possible improvements to his proposal, here are some thoughts:

    The aspects of his proposal that I find the most compelling are on elections (financing and voting), access to information, and what the rule of law means in a free society. Without equal application of fair laws; access to timely, accurate, complete information; and an election system that ensures that everyone who is eligible to vote is allowed to do so, and that every vote is counted, we don’t have a chance at exerting influence on our representatives on any of the rest of the problems we face.

    Regarding voting, we need a national standard that complies with existing law requiring that ballots be “voter verifiable.” Simply require that machines produce a ballot that can be verified as correct by the voter and submitted for counting (not as a backup in case of a challenge, but as the primary source of tabulation). Any machine that tabulates internally is inherently unverifiable by the voter. And counting 1-3% of the paper trail, as is currently done in the event of a challenge (in locations where a paper trail is even available) is not an acceptable substitution for counting all voter-verified ballots. Initial counting can be done by optical scan, rather than hand counting.

    As a modification to the proposal to ban private campaign financing and create public financing through constitutional amendment, I like the idea of a national bill for publicly-financed elections. I don’t know the current status of the “Fair Elections Now” bill (sponsored by Durbin and Specter in the senate, and there’s a House version, too). The bill is based on existing successful programs in Maine and Arizona, which don’t ban private contributions outright, but create a system where publicly-financed candidates can compete and are preferred by voters because they focus on issues and aren’t beholden to corporate interests.

    To restrict the ongoing legalized bribery of candidates by corporations, I’d like to see us focus on some of the major loopholes in existing bans on corporate donations. Huge amounts of money go straight to political parties during the National Conventions under the guise of promoting the host city. This should be banned outright through legislation.

    The presidential debates are another way to sneak money to political parties, and this needs to be banned, too. The ‘debates’ are totally controlled by the two major parties, which is why third parties and some members of the major parties are excluded from these spectacles. David suggested non-partisan, rather than bipartisan, means of redistricting, and I think we need to return to nonpartisanship with respect to the presidential debates, as well. The League of Women Voters did an outstanding job of running them for several years in the 70s and 80s. They had tough moderators, inclusive policies, and real debates.

    We haven’t had an open, honest discussion of issues in years because the collaboration of corporations and major political parties has been permitted to frame the discussion in ways that suit them, but not the majority of Americans. Access to complete and accurate information is essential to making good choices.

    So, my last points here are also regarding the proposal to advance a long term vision for reducing the corrupting influence of money, media, and party on policy.

    Regarding media, I absolutely agree that breaking up the megalopolies is essential (same for the banks). And since the airwaves are public, any media outlet that repeatedly acts in a manner that is not in the public interest (e.g. hiring retired generals as ‘independent’ analysts and failing to disclose their ties to the Pentagon and private military contractors who were profiting from the military aggression they advocated) should lose their broadcasting license.

    We need to enforce, as well as strengthen existing media ownership rules. The L.A. Times, among many others, continually applies for waivers allowing them to own more than they are legally entitled to do. Enough of the waivers. We need anti-trust legislation that returns media outlets to local ownership.

    And we need the Internet Freedom bill passed. Despite a lot of rhetoric and alleged bi-partisan support, we still don’t have a net neutrality bill.

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  155. I apologize for the last post. I accidentally attached David's proposal to my post. Here's mine by itself (and long enough already).

    In response to David’s request for discussion on possible improvements to his proposal, here are some thoughts:

    The aspects of his proposal that I find the most compelling are on elections (financing and voting), access to information, and what the rule of law means in a free society. Without equal application of fair laws; access to timely, accurate, complete information; and an election system that ensures that everyone who is eligible to vote is allowed to do so, and that every vote is counted, we don’t have a chance at exerting influence on our representatives on any of the rest of the problems we face.

    Regarding voting, we need a national standard that complies with existing law requiring that ballots be “voter verifiable.” Simply require that machines produce a ballot that can be verified as correct by the voter and submitted for counting (not as a backup in case of a challenge, but as the primary source of tabulation). Any machine that tabulates internally is inherently unverifiable by the voter. And counting 1-3% of the paper trail, as is currently done in the event of a challenge (in locations where a paper trail is even available) is not an acceptable substitution for counting all voter-verified ballots. Initial counting can be done by optical scan, rather than hand counting.

    As a modification to the proposal to ban private campaign financing and create public financing through constitutional amendment, I like the idea of a national bill for publicly-financed elections. I don’t know the current status of the “Fair Elections Now” bill (sponsored by Durbin and Specter in the senate, and there’s a House version, too). The bill is based on existing successful programs in Maine and Arizona, which don’t ban private contributions outright, but create a system where publicly-financed candidates can compete and are preferred by voters because they focus on issues and aren’t beholden to corporate interests.

    To restrict the ongoing legalized bribery of candidates by corporations, I’d like to see us focus on some of the major loopholes in existing bans on corporate donations. Huge amounts of money go straight to political parties during the National Conventions under the guise of promoting the host city. This should be banned outright through legislation.

    The presidential debates are another way to sneak money to political parties, and this needs to be banned, too. The ‘debates’ are totally controlled by the two major parties, which is why third parties and some members of the major parties are excluded from these spectacles. David suggested non-partisan, rather than bipartisan, means of redistricting, and I think we need to return to nonpartisanship with respect to the presidential debates, as well. The League of Women Voters did an outstanding job of running them for several years in the 70s and 80s. They had tough moderators, inclusive policies, and real debates.

    We haven’t had an open, honest discussion of issues in years because the collaboration of corporations and major political parties has been permitted to frame the discussion in ways that suit them, but not the majority of Americans. Access to complete and accurate information is essential to making good choices.

    So, my last points here are also regarding the proposal to advance a long term vision for reducing the corrupting influence of money, media, and party on policy.

    Regarding media, I absolutely agree that breaking up the megalopolies is essential (same for the banks). And since the airwaves are public, any media outlet that repeatedly acts in a manner that is not in the public interest (e.g. hiring retired generals as ‘independent’ analysts and failing to disclose their ties to the Pentagon and private military contractors who were profiting from the military aggression they advocated) should lose their broadcasting license.

    We need to enforce, as well as strengthen existing media ownership rules. The L.A. Times, among many others, continually applies for waivers allowing them to own more than they are legally entitled to do. Enough of the waivers. We need anti-trust legislation that returns media outlets to local ownership.

    And we need the Internet Freedom bill passed. Despite a lot of rhetoric and alleged bi-partisan support, we still don’t have a net neutrality bill.

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  156. Stremington

    5/31/2009 11:38:16 PM CST

    Please give us your credentials and how you arrived at your conclusions who you work for and your real name address email address and phone number.

    Until you provide that your long post to me is worthless even trying to read through it. When scanning through the document I noticed one name you quoted and I know that name as a con artist, mole a troll or worse on this site.

    Please hurry and get that all done so it will be here early morning when all the legit folks come around to make their reviews and assessments about how crooked this site was put forth as a good cause and now we all know it was not.

    Now if you are a crook too--- please be advised that I have down loaded this entire site in my Word off premises to keep for proof of fraud and possibly even treason against us.

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  157. TO ALL GOOD and SANE THAT COME TO THIS SITE TO SHARE

    SAY GOOD BYE TO ONE MORE FALLEN FOE

    Stremington

    Looks like it cant find out who it is, where it lives etc. Could this just be one more it, as plant by BIG GOVERNMENT to snoop around taking names?

    Dwight Baker dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  158. Stremington - good post, with food for thought.

    Don't mind the troll. It's a public place and we wouldn't want to shut anyone out. [I also support The Icarus Project -- I really, REALLY don't want anyone to be excluded. http://theicarusproject.net/]

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  159. YEP THERE IS THE NAME THAT STREMINGTON WAS QUOTING.

    We all sane knows that it is full of it too just like stremington dig deeper holes.

    DB

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  160. stremington,

    Absolutely superb! Very well thought out.

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  161. http://dwightbaker.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx

    Check it out. Our friend Dwight is a very busy right wing conservative blogger. That's right. Same tortured grammar. Same idiocy, but more honest about what he actually is.

    Who could have guessed that the idiot calling everybody ELSE a plant and a troll and a CIA operative and threatening people with"

    "please be advised that I have down loaded this entire site in my Word off premises to keep for proof of fraud and possibly even treason against us."

    whatever the hell that means...is actually the plant himself. How utterly conservative, how utterly republican to accuse everybody else of the thing that only you are doing.

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  162. MR. MS. IT LUVWITH---LUVWITHOUT A BRAIN

    Well Down here in Texas, things like the above we give out hand outs. Most of the time we find them sitting at corners waiting on the next nickel or dime? Or under a bridge smoking dope.

    That is not me on the Blog roll we just happen to have the same name. For any that want to follow my Tracks google dbaker007@stx.rr.com then up will jump 15 to 20 pages of my footprints. Have fun MR. MS. OR IT LUVWITHOUT A BRAIN.

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  163. Among other things I’ve discovered about our friend is that he unabashedly supports the Iraq war and why we went in in the first place, he hates illegal immigrants and doesn’t believe in Global Warming.

    Who did he support for president?

    Fred Thompson. I realize he's becoming the poster child and I've written elsewhere on this blog that I wish he'd run and I'm currently rooting for him, but I'm not coronating him just yet. He still has to earn my vote like everyone else. My other front-runners, however unlikely their election, are Huckabee and Hunter. Not ruling out Romney either.

    He quotes people like Charles Krauthammer and Raymond S. Kraft in his posts.

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  164. Gee, why do I just not beleive you Dwight?

    Texas makes sence though. There's a whole lot of you knuckle draggers out there.

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  165. WELL NIGHT SHIFT for ole "it" down in the basement of the CIA with rats running too and fro must be about quitting time. Setting in that cold basement-hitting click take that one out.

    Dr. Who may be on call to execute the final judgment.

    One thing for sure promise you can find out about how dumb some can be just hit my page to see how stupid"O" this clown I call it really is.

    http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=664781840

    A lot of good things to read while there ---- by the way when there you could find out who is Dr. Who?

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  166. PINK SLIP COMMING FOR LUVWITHOUT made a bo bo put a bad name on the CIA, stupid is as stupid does. I guess you can take your phd from Harvard or is that the college from hell called Yale and go crawl with Murdock back in his FOX HOLE.

    Cheers try to get on food stamps before congress does away with that too.

    dbaker007@stx.rr.com The BIG VOICE FOR WE THE PEOPLE THAT JUST LOVES TO WORK THE WORK of taking our Country Back from clowns like this bunch of morons.

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  167. Let's see. A preacher from Texas who denies being conservative? Sorry man, you are a liar.

    So since I have taken a special interest in you, let's make humiliating you with your own words my new hobby. If I prove you're a liar you need to go away.

    First odd you deny that your are the conservative blogger at the website I linked to, correct?

    So you do believe that global warming is caused by human activity and needs to be controlled, correct?

    So you think a reasonable path to citizenship for illegal aliens is a good idea?

    You voted for who in the last election?

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  168. Are you praying for the end of the world so Jesus can can come take you away? Is that why you don't want to do anything about global warming?

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  169. Did you call me a plant? In other words you say I am a conservative who really here just to muck up the works for you...the democrat who's an honest broker in this debate. Is that right?

    Did you call me a plant? Do I need to cut and paste your quote? So either you are a liberal or you are a liar. Which is it?

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  170. "Now if you are a crook too--- please be advised that I have down loaded this entire site in my Word off premises to keep for proof of fraud and possibly even treason against us."

    So Dwight was that hyperbole or do you really assert that stremington is a traitor to her country. Understand that treason is a capital offense.

    So did you lie there or are you going to bear false witness against stremington?

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  171. Bush needs to be arrested for authorizing torture. If Obama does not have him arrested, then the next President should also have Obama arrested.

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  172. The problem with this is it is insanely overreaching. If the guy had just stuck with the title and a few main points I'd probably give it a thumbs up, but how many people really support all of this? A law to make congress send their kids to war is emotionally appealing but ultimately ridiculous. There are way too many constitutional amendments proposed. I don't see how ending filibusters is even related to the "imperial presidency." This is what has always frustrated me about progressives; they have this pure, complete vision that seems designed to chase away more people than it attracts. I hope I can find something on this list that has the same thrust without all the excess baggage.

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  173. If you seriously think that Obomination of a president you elected will actually change things for you, you need to get your heads checked. You need to whip your fucking government into shape, that man works for you, you dont fucking work for him! Oh wait... nevermind, Im sure his CFR wife would have a different opinion...

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  174. david Idea Submitter

    Hey Cherold,

    This is step one of a long work-in-progress collaborative development. If you want to propose deleting or adding or changing items, that's exactly the idea.

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  175. I propose beginning again and writing something that's about two paragraphs long and that keeps to the point. But this is far too unwieldy to go through point by point. It begins well.

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  176. david Idea Submitter

    That's a fine proposal and anyone can do it here in the comments, but nobody - myself included - can revise the above proposal itself since the site no longer lets me do that.

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  177. cherold - True, it's overreaching. This is just the brainstorming phase.

    I gave it a thumbs-up, not because I agree with every detail, but because the general topic deserves serious discussion. We can trim the fat later.

    [Simplicity doesn't seem to attract much attention either. (Sigh.) See “Who Owns the Media,” Idea #664, http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/3276-4049]

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  178. It would be good for all to agree in the 2nd phase, that we have differences of opinions that we can share without the need to lose ourselves in emotional upraises.

    If you can’t control yourself, and you have lost the ability to be civilized towards each other, how can you ask the same of our government?

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  179. I'd say the Media one suffers from having a title that's not a proposal and being written in the chatty way of some dude shooting the breeze. I mean, I think it's great people are taking the time (and obviously in some cases taking a great deal of time) writing proposals, but an awful lot of these proposals look like they're written by people who aren't saying to themselves; am I making a persuasive case? Am I clearly stating my objectives? Is any of this extraneous? What's really needed is a way people can collaboratively craft these proposals before they're submitted here; some sort of proposal wiki. What we've got instead of a mish mash of overlapping proposals, some slickly done, some amateurish, some downright nutty (like "Free Obama," http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/3065-4049). This project seems fundamentally poorly designed, making me wonder whether it is really here to find out what's important or just as a way to make it appear that Obama is open to outside ideas.

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  180. This is phase-one. It's called "brainstorming."

    I'm hoping that phase-two will follow your description.

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  181. What stremington's proposal may lack practicality-wise, it more than makes up for in rhetorical value. I, personally, find that each amendment therein addresses as serious issue. For example, the filibuster has a service history of obstruction, often invoked to protect the wrongheaded and overbearing policies of a power-abusing Republican president.

    I think most of the proposed amendments do a fair job of highlighting those significant points of dysfunction within our government that are intertwined with the presidency. There is so much wrong with things as they stand that each point of dysfunction needs to be emphasized, and I think stremington's proposal does a good job of emphasizing many of them.

    We can certainly trim redundancies and language that may tend toward excess. But none of the underlying points for the proposed amendments that I read should be recklessly dismissed without first seriously considering (and adequately discussing) its premise.

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  182. Good point, Cherold. In fact, this problem illustrates another way government can be improved... they should avoid creating bills written like this, with a whole bunch of elements tossed in to one package, including pieces that really aren’t germane to the primary issue, forcing our representatives to vote up or down on a bill that has elements that should really be considered independently!

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  183. Scott, submit that paragraph and I'll give it a thumbs up!

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  184. There's a big difference between writing a climate bill with gazillions of unrelated items in it, like pemitting concealed weapons in National Parks, and comprehensively addressing a problem of huge breadth and magnitude, like the imperial presidency.

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  185. I completely disagree about ending the filibuster option on Congress. There's nothing wrong with the filibuster, and it's sometimes the last defense against a Congress that can be dominated by one side. What we need to end is Democratic politicians who are AFRAID to filibuster. The Dems should have been tag team filibustering on a continual basis from 2000-2008. Instead, they laid down and played doormat. Don't be fooled into thinking that eliminating the filibuster will stop Republican dirty tricks. The best defense is a good offense; give them a taste of their own medicine.

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  186. The thread here appears to be to simplify the proposal and narrow the scope so that people have a clear up or down choice.

    It appears that the discussion has run aground on ideology and because David cannot edit the original post, perhaps we can agree to allow this particular idea to percolate some new simplified versions that will allow posters to winnow out the unacceptable ideas and get to the golden nuggets that were contained in the original post.

    David had some interesting propositions and we are merely voting on whether it sounds promising or reject it outright. I will reword my original post: I'm not ready to jettison the Senate. It provides protection to the smaller states against being unfairly treated by the larger states. What I would like to see is a more "democratic" election of Senators. The only way I can see to get to this is to remove the money from the electoral process. Public financing of elections with stiff penalities to those candidates that try to circuvent the process and candidates having to start at the bottom rungs of democracy to get on the ballot by having to convince ordinary citizens that he/she will be a good choice for the Senate or for the House. All elections would be publically financed and the money would be paid through our income tax returns. Public service broadcasts could be fairly allocated to every candidate. That is roughly what could be a simplification to our electoral problems.

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  187. But they won't. They've been given every chance, and they still won't. The filibuster has been abused exclusively by Republicans. The Democrats are virtually spineless, which throws advantage to the Republicans in some dangerous ways. I'm fairly convinced that the Dems won't suddenly undergo some magical transformation that instills them with real courage any time soon.

    Every dirty Republican trick that's eliminated is one that can't be used any longer.

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  188. I like the tone of pap's post, though I think things are farther gone than he realizes. Still, I would rather we radicals sounded sane, reasonable, realistic, and smart, knowledgeable, understanding, than wild and full of demands. Then we might get more support. To have any effect on things we will need masses of people (or money) behind us, and for that we need to sound trustworthy, not wild and scary. The American people are scared, confused, and angry enough these days...

    to my mind only Jesus can solve this one

    Blessings forever to all

    Andy

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  189. WELL NOW, the format has changed. Is that any surprise? Not to me.

    I will not be back the trolls are here for the Government so what can we do that is sane, sound and consistent with reason. NOTHING.

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  190. What in the format has changed?

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  191. Life is Living Me: The State of Being Squeezed

    I live in a world of discontent. Did I live my life with a vague promise of prosperity, where work done by my efforts could be rewarding enough to maintain my pursuit of happiness? This is a question we each must ask ourselves today and the days ahead. We, the paying constituent and citizens of our country, are being squeezed by growing inflation, fuel costs, food costs, increasing taxes, and stagnant wage growth. I can understand why food is increasing in value at the supermarkets; corn subsidies to produce ethanol fuel additives have squeezed the markets. What I can not understand is why we subsidize ethanol and then sell it to Europe, or why the government took out food and fuel in the equation to calculate inflation. The Republican Party promised smaller government and lower taxes, but found that it could keep taxes low and increase the size and power of the government by spending on debt. In essence our government is selling our future for the benefit of the present. The question we need to ask, are we getting good value from this? The Democratic Party promised responsible government, undefined change, health care for all, and prosecution of those who broke the laws under the Bush administration.

    Looking forward to the direction the leadership of our government has placed us and will place us; casting us into a future of increasing debt and decreasing ability to pay for this debt. A great shrinkage or adjustment is coming. At this moment, the interest on the debt has consumed a significant portion of the governments’ annual budget, yet no government official is speaking loudly enough for anyone to hear about this problem. This “all is well” attitude of the government is meant to distract we the people from the problems that their policies have produced. I think Bush was just praying that he can buy the present at the cost of the future just long enough to reach his end term of office. (Optional) Obama spends like he has no concept of the meaning of debt. (Optional)

    The driving ideal that allowed this debt to happen was the supposed war on terror. After the shock of the World Trade Center attack, the citizens where left disenchanted and afraid of future attacks on US soil. In our madness we demanded retribution for the insult and sought out to destroy the perpetrators. This is the original intent of this war, and at that moment we had a clear face and enemy to vent our anger. I encourage people to Google “loose change” and attempt to find your own truth about “911.” Thus begins the Afghanistan war. Then one day, two agents of the government whispers to Bush that Iraq is producing weapons of mass destruction. Those agents had very little hard evidence that such a condition existed in Iraq, and they knew that Iraq didn’t harbor Al-Qaeda; Saddam Hussein wouldn’t allow them into his country. Bush then went on a three month campaign to define Saddam Hussein as murderous power mad man bent on our destruction. The real reason we invaded Iraq was to gain the privileged access to Iraqi oil for a single American company. We invade Iraq on March 19, 2003, and win in a matter of days, thus creating a power vacuum that had to be filled by our presence and plenty of cash. Halliburton, the energy services company previously headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, had prepared a confidential 500-page document on how to handle Iraq's oil industry after an invasion and occupation of Iraq. This was, commented Dowd, "a plan (Halliburton) wrote several months before the invasion of Iraq, and before it got a no-bid contract to implement the plan (and overbill the U.S.)." (Hiro, 2007)

    The Iraq and Afghanistan war is costing our country $12 billion dollars a month or $144 billion a year of pure debt. (2008 figures) I have to ask the question, why are we still in Iraq. Is it to teach the Iraq people the principles’ of democracy or are we there to insure that the oil produced there is coming back to us? Democracy is a social invention by the people it is designed to govern.

    We Americans are spoiled, self indulgent individuals who never take the time to question anything that does not directly affects us at the present moment. I am guilty of this Americana mindset, but I have concluded that at this time and place in our history, I must stand my watch and voice my opinions of the wrongs in the way our government functions. We have a huge blind side when it comes to understanding future commitments, such as Social Security and the nature of government debt. Up until the Clinton administration, moneys paid into Social Security were held in a fund outside the reach of the government. Mr. Clinton in his wisdom, found a quick and easy way to pay down the debt and fund projects by transferring Social Security funds into the general fund and leaving an IOU. This promoted a time of prosperity among the markets, since the government was swimming in cash and debt equity. “The Bush administration entered the white house in 2001, on a platform of conservatism, small government, low imperialistic ambitions, and lower taxes for the rich, then the nearly $167 billion dollar surplus dried up to a $4 trillion dollar debt within a short three years.” (Vidal, 2004) Now with ever shrinking government budgets and impending currency crises spurred on by the Federal Reserve Banks penchant for printing un-backed currency, our foreign buyers of our debt are starting to back away. With shrinking investors of debt, the Federal Reserve will have to print more marginally backed currency to buy government securities to maintain Social Security and two occupations. As of March 29th, 2009, the national debt clock was at $11 trillion dollars in debt. (Hall, 2009)

    This is our country, the leaders of our country are elected on a platform of ideals that we, the paying constituents, can either agree with and promote or disagree and disregard. Generally, we pay close attention as to who we vote for president of the United States, pay marginal attention to who we vote for the senate, but we pay very little attention as to who we vote into the House of Representatives. This is the two hundred plus year process that has defined us as a country. Built upon the ideals of our founders, we have evolved modern society to a completely different level; never before has freedom been so deeply realized in human history. But when governments begin to erode little by little our freedoms and the bill of rights, we the people must stand up and speak up to make changes. This can be a non-violent process of change as described by Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson felt that there should be a federal constitutional convention at least once a generation because “…laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners of opinions change with the circumstances, institutions must advance, and keep pace with the times.” (Thomas Jefferson, July 12, 1810) If you feel that our federal government is not representing our interests, spending far to much of our money on defense/offense/corporations/bailouts and not on us, trampling upon your rights to the pursuit of happiness, taxing you out of your house and ability to feed your family, or if you feel that none of the candidates will improve upon the problems of government, then this is a non-violent way to make a hard change in how our government functions. The main argument not to have a federal constitutional convention is that it’s very expensive and the lie that it would reduce our rights. The question you have to ask yourself when faced with this decision is, “can we afford not to change?” We have been promised change by many presidents, but change will never happen when it is tied to power, for those who have power will never relinquish it willingly. Perhaps we need to invent a fourth branch of government, an audit branch, and then we can have the transparency in our government we so rightly deserve. (Failure of the GAO institution) The federal government must be responsible and accountable for every dollar spent from public funds, as well as, said public funds representing cash or debt. All funds, monies, securities, and debt issued or spent by the federal government must be accountable to the peoples it is generated from. The federal government must be responsible to preserve all e-mails and documentation that pertains to its actions as the governing body of this country.

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  192. THE FORMAT HAS CHANGED MORE DIFFICULT TO READ MARGINS FROM LEFT TO RIGHT HAVE BEEN EXTENDED.

    Life is Living Me: The State of Being Squeezed [good comment with MY TAKE]

    I live in a world of discontent. Did I live my life with a vague promise of prosperity, where work done by my efforts could be rewarding enough to maintain my pursuit of happiness?

    This is a question we each must ask ourselves today and the days ahead. We, the paying constituent and citizens of our country, are being squeezed by growing inflation, fuel costs, food costs, increasing taxes, and stagnant wage growth. I can understand why food is increasing in value at the supermarkets; corn subsidies to produce ethanol fuel additives have squeezed the markets. What I cannot understand is why we subsidize ethanol and then sell it to Europe, or why the government took out food and fuel in the equation to calculate inflation.

    The Republican Party promised smaller government and lower taxes, but found that it could keep taxes low and increase the size and power of the government by spending on debt. In essence our government is selling our future for the benefit of the present. The question we need to ask, are we getting good value from this? The Democratic Party promised responsible government, undefined change, health care for all, and prosecution of those who broke the laws under the Bush administration.

    Looking forward to the direction the leadership of our government has placed us and will placed us; casting us into a future of increasing debt and decreasing ability to pay for this debt. A great shrinkage or adjustment is coming. At this moment, the interest on the debt has consumed a significant portion of the governments’ annual budget, yet no government official is speaking loudly enough for anyone to hear about this problem. This “all is well” attitude of the government is meant to distract we the people from the problems that their policies have produced. I think Bush was just praying that he could buy the present at the cost of the future just long enough to reach his end term of office.

    (Optional) Obama spends like he has no concept of the meaning of debt. MY TAKE Obama gets his orders from the Bilderbergs,

    (Optional)The driving ideal that allowed this debt to happen was the supposed war on terror. MY TAKE that has been in the How to Take over the SLEEPING GIANT America for the last 30 to 50 years written by the Bilderbergs.

    After the shock of the World Trade Center attack, the citizens where left disenchanted and afraid of future attacks on US soil. In our madness we demanded retribution for the insult and sought out to destroy the perpetrators. This is the original intent of this war, and at that moment we had a clear face and enemy to vent our anger. I encourage people to Google “loose change” and attempt to find your own truth about “911.” Thus begins the Afghanistan war. Then one day, two agents of the government whispers to Bush that Iraq is producing weapons of mass destruction. Those agents had very little hard evidence that such a condition existed in Iraq, and they knew that Iraq didn’t harbor Al-Qaeda; Saddam Hussein wouldn’t allow them into his country. Bush then went on a three-month campaign to define Saddam Hussein as murderous power mad man bent on our destruction. The real reason we invaded Iraq was to gain the privileged access to Iraqi oil for a single American company. We invade Iraq on March 19, 2003, and win in a matter of days, thus creating a power vacuum that had to be filled by our presence and plenty of cash. Halliburton, the energy services company previously headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, had prepared a confidential 500-page document on how to handle Iraq's oil industry after an invasion and occupation of Iraq. This was, commented Dowd, "a plan (Halliburton) wrote several months before the invasion of Iraq, and before it got a no-bid contract to implement the plan (and overbill the U.S.)." (Hiro, 2007)

    The Iraq and Afghanistan war is costing our country $12 billion dollars a month or $144 billion a year of pure debt. (2008 figures) I have to ask the question, why are we still in Iraq. Is it to teach the Iraq people the principles’ of democracy or are we there to insure that the oil produced there is coming back to us? Democracy is a social invention by the people it is designed to govern.

    We Americans are spoiled, self-indulgent individuals who never take the time to question anything that does not directly affects us at the present moment.

    I am guilty of this Americana mindset, but I have concluded that at this time and place in our history, I must stand my watch and voice my opinions of the wrongs in the way our government functions.

    We have a huge blind side when it comes to understanding future commitments, such as Social Security and the nature of government debt. Up until the Clinton administration, moneys paid into Social Security were held in a fund outside the reach of the government. Mr. Clinton in his wisdom, found a quick and easy way to pay down the debt and fund projects by transferring Social Security funds into the general fund and leaving an IOU.

    This promoted a time of prosperity among the markets, since the government was swimming in cash and debt equity. “The Bush administration entered the white house in 2001, on a platform of conservatism, small government, low imperialistic ambitions, and lower taxes for the rich, then the nearly $167 billion dollar surplus dried up to a $4 trillion dollar debt within a short three years.” (Vidal, 2004)

    Now with ever shrinking government budgets and impending currency crises spurred on by the Federal Reserve Banks penchant for printing un-backed currency, our foreign buyers of our debt are starting to back away. With shrinking investors of debt, the Federal Reserve will have to print more marginally backed currency to buy government securities to maintain Social Security and two occupations. As of March 29th, 2009, the national debt clock was at $11 trillion dollars in debt. (Hall, 2009)

    This is our country, the leaders of our country are elected on a platform of ideals that we, the paying constituents, can either agree with and promote or disagree and disregard. Generally, we pay close attention as to who we vote for president of the United States, pay marginal attention to who we vote for the senate, but we pay very little attention as to whom we vote into the House of Representatives.

    This is the two hundred plus year process that has defined us as a country. Built upon the ideals of our founders, we have evolved modern society to a completely different level; never before has freedom been so deeply realized in human history.

    But when governments begin to erode little by little our freedoms and the bill of rights, we the people must stand up and speak up to make changes.

    This can be a non-violent process of change as described by Thomas Jefferson.

    Jefferson felt that there should be a federal constitutional convention at least once a generation because “…laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners of opinions change with the circumstances, institutions must advance, and keep pace with the times.” (Thomas Jefferson, July 12, 1810)

    Google How to Constitutional Convention, MY TAKE not a doable deal NOW

    If you feel that our federal government is not representing our interests, spending far to much of our money on defense/offense/corporations/bailouts and not on us, trampling upon your rights to the pursuit of happiness, taxing you out of your house and ability to feed your family, or if you feel that none of the candidates will improve upon the problems of government, then this is a non-violent way to make a hard change in how our government functions.

    The main argument not to have a federal constitutional convention is that it’s very expensive and the lie that it would reduce our rights. The question you have to ask yourself when faced with this decision is, “can we afford not to change?” We have been promised change by many presidents, but change will never happen when it is tied to power, for those who have power will never relinquish it willingly. Perhaps we need to invent a fourth branch of government, an audit branch, and then we can have the transparency in our government we so rightly deserve.

    (Failure of the GAO institution) The federal government must be responsible and accountable for every dollar spent from public funds, as well as, said public funds representing cash or debt. All funds, monies, securities, and debt issued or spent by the federal government must be accountable to the peoples it is generated from. The federal government must be responsible to preserve all e-mails and documentation that pertains to its actions as the governing body of this country.

    MY TAKE there is only way for WE THE PEOPLE to survive and that is to take control now and we can form the coalition called

    When you have had enough of this nonsense JOIN IN

    THE VOICES FOR WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATES ---WTPA for Grass Roots Actions needed for forming our own truth filled lobby in Washington DC to power push our VOICES and VOTES of the people for our rights to life in acts of equity with Justice.

    Dwight Baker Chairman PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853 Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077 Contact E-mail dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  193. Good luck with all that. I'm not arguing. I just don't see a way to organize and address any of that without freedom of the press.

    “Who Owns the Media?” Idea #664, http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/3276-4049

    And even with a free media, it's gonna be rough.

    dbaker said, "The Democratic Party promised responsible government, undefined change, health care for all, and prosecution of those who broke the laws under the Bush administration."

    When did they PROMISE to prosecute? I don't remember that one. I heard a lot of things that made sense to me, and maybe I filled in what I wanted to hear?

    That speech in Berlin, "A World That Stands as One" (July 2008) sounded pretty good back then. It got me on the band wagon.

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/berlinvideo/

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  194. The total complement of US and NATO boots on the ground in Afghanistan is far less than the old Soviet Union had in this country (around 500,000 people, give or take) , only to have to leave, humiliated, with its tail between its legs.

    Even with hired mercenaries, we still will not have enough boots on the ground to successfully occupy Afghanistan.

    The US indiscriminate bombing of civilians has caused Afghans to see the Taliban as the good guys, and US and NATO forces as the bad guys.

    The rank corruption of the Karzai government, coupled with our indiscriminate bombings of civilians, leaves many Afghans to believe that their lives cannot possibly get better better under the current circumstances.

    And the alleged "reconstruction effort" ?!? In the words of Tony Soprano, "Fuggetaboutit!" What has been done (if it has actually been done at all) has been substandard, and awarded to many of the "usual suspects" who have underperformed and overcharged We the People for their services.

    As reported in:

    http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-scam-of-reconstruction-in-afghanistan/

    "A report issued in June 2005 by the non-profit organization Action Aid reveals that much of the US tax money earmarked to rebuild Afghanistan actually ends up going no further than the pockets of wealthy US corporations. “Phantom aid” that never shows up in the recipient country is a scam in which paychecks for overpriced, and often incompetent, American “experts” under contract to USAID go directly from the Agency to American bank accounts. Additionally, 70 percent of the aid that does make it to a recipient country is carefully “tied” to the donor nation, requiring that the recipient use the donated money to buy products and services from the donor country, often at drastically inflated prices. The US far outstrips other nations in these schemes, as Action Aid calculates that 86 cents of every dollar of American aid is phantom."

    86 cents out of every dollar - chew on that for a moment.

    Unless and until the aid actually gets to where it's supposed to go, with quality reconstruction projects providing money and training for Afghans, establish and protecting infrastructure (schools, hospitals, roads, water systems, etc.), nothing can change here.

    So we have several choices here:

    1. Declare "victory", and leave.

    2. Stop the bombings, start reconstruction programs with real accountability, put Karzai on a short leash (he is, after all, our "cur" of a dictator), and give the Afghan people some hope for their future. With all the misery and devastation the US has caused, we owe this to the Afghan people.

    3. Kill every single Afghan still breathing.

    Shocked about that last one?? You shouldn't be.

    There are some people in the military and congress (particularly those in congress who are "acquisitions" of the oil companies) would would absolutely prefer the third option in order to get the pipelines finally installed, with little or no opposition from the Afghan people.

    Let us hope that we have some adults in the room in the Pentagon, Congress, and the White House who do understand what that second option would really cost this country, and the world.

    Link to this article: http://whatreallyhappened.com/

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  195. The pipeline could be built but blown apart as fast a products started flowing through them WHY----they are pissed and that is that, and that is their land not ours and not the Bilderbergs and they are still free not like most of us in bondage to crap that comes along all day from a myriad of sources like the ones that we have in the forum. The ones that preach fear and cant do. They are hired sales persons of doom and gloom and cant do.

    Will providence just blow over us and let us go into oblivion? Or will providence see a people that have sought for the truth and got the truth and that has made them FREE.

    So the soothsayers have a bully pulpit here, and some timid will listen and run off, hide under a blanket and pretend the super bowl will change all. Now if that is not enough for the semi-sane to get upset----go to the new network GSN and see slavery first hand, look real close it is just one of the last ways to re-animalize man. Hooked bad and can not get loose even though the entire CSN network is a con and they are making BILLIONS, while keeping a great amount of Americans hooked to set stare while our nation is burning. Those that watch may be retired, but they could volunteer to help in so many ways, yet they prefer to set and glare and hope they get a call and get a gift that was given to GSN for free, six hours a day just wasted while their neighbors have not a helping hand in any ways.

    dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  196. WE THE PEOPLE HOW STUPID WE CAN BE

    WHEN FEED HORSE S__T LIES

    Yes, Mr. Bilderberger in Obama’s cabinet lets empower all Americans to enjoy some profit from buying into GM.

    Gosh did you Bilderberger guys forget to tell us about all the massive clean ups of those old crumbling manufacturing sites around and about in America that GM has refused to clean up.

    Simple to find facts google GM clean up = EPA

    http://www.epa.gov/region5/sites/bedford/index.htm

    http://www.epa.gov/region2/superfund/npl/0201644c.pdf

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/50-epa-cleanup-sites-to-g_n_187607.html

    http://ehstoday.com/news/ehs_imp_33105/

    Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  197. You mean give us back our constitutional right to speech (end hate speech), assembly (end illegal permit demands for peaceful assembly), our right to religion (stop harassing christians), to petition the government?

    No I didn't think so.

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  198. When your prosecuting Bush and Cheney you might as well prosecute every other president and vice president for much of the same thing. Including the present one!

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  199. How Dumb have some of us Become?

    We, commenting here have the wealth of information at hand but few use it. Maybe some don’t know how too use it. And maybe some do but are too lazy to find out first hand. Maybe some just want to be spoon-fed. That is the final stage of being a re-animalized man.

    President Dwight Eisenhower did not join the Bohemian Groove but all since him have. And many more that aspired to rule the world for the Bilderbergs have followed along standing naked before the old crew of derelicts recanting to never follow the innate laws of conscience. Men and women alike have taken that oath it is a religion based on Kojeve worldviews for mankind.

    http://www.blogisdead.net/2008/05/praying-in-legislature.html

    Go study for yourself if you choose to know first hand and have the time to help all of us to save our Nation. http://www.bohemiangroveexposed.com/

    Our Great American Ship called Freedom has been under attack by pirates for 40 to 50 years and Bush Cheney was just a couple of pirates that slipped aboard to steal our Freedom. Now for those that believe our Free Press is free poooeeeee. Think back just a few days or maybe a few weeks ago and start remembering all the ole seemed dead Republicans that got a face lift and here they came charging back with TV time on all networks for Free, to give another view for us to consider. IS THAT STUPID? Happenstance? No way JOSE?

    In each of the ole worn our faces with beleaguering sad tales, their voices was and is just SMOKE. The SMOKE is a screen for what is going on behind the scenes while the fires are ragging so that we will not see. The Grand Larceny of the pirates is in its final stages.

    Many of We the People will finally wake up some day and JOIN IN and many of US as the Sleeping Giant will be in chains of slavery and wonder why? Our Great American Ship called Freedom was under attack by pirates aboard and we were too sluggish to care to look around and find the bad apples in the barrel.

    When you have had enough of this nonsense JOIN IN

    THE VOICES FOR WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATES ---WTPA for Grass Roots Actions needed for forming our own truth filled lobby in Washington DC to power push our VOICES and VOTES of the people for our rights to life in acts of equity with Justice.

    Dwight Baker Chairman PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853 Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077 Contact E-mail dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  200. Now folks try to read this again it is the only way to save our Nation. I know that Big Government is seeing this and they do not want any one here to JOIN IN so their little trite like CIA agents will come after me with their weird little voices to make glaring remarks and then someday if they dare will try to take me out. But who cares? NOT ME for my God is with me and that is all matters to me.

    WE THE PEOPLE

    OF THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA

    DECLARE AND PETITION CONGRESS WITHOUT REDRESS

    THAT WE ENJOIN WITH PLENARY POWERS AT THIS DATE

    AS THE VESTED HIGHEST RANKING CONTROLLING

    COMMUNED MEMBERS OF WE THE PEOPLE

    IN THE CONGRESS AND SENATE

    FROM THIS DATE HENCE FORTH

    TO SET ARIGHT THE WRONGS THUS DONE

    AND RETURN OUR GOVERNING OF

    THE PEOPLE TO THE STATE IT WAS DECLARED TO BE

    ALIGNED WITH THE LAWS HELD SACRED IN OUR

    CONSTITUTION

    WE THE PEOPLE declare that when a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of WE THE PEOPLE, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted; and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression: when the Constitution of our country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of our government has been forcible changed, without WE THE PEOPLES consent, from a federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded by that of Federal Investigative and Enforcement Law and the past and present Executive Branch of the Federal Government and all that have become appointed and employees to duties both are the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the ever-ready minions of power, and the usual instrument of tyrants: when, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is, at length, so far lost by those in power that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms, themselves, of the constitution discontinued; and so far from their petitions and remonstrance's being disregarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into all sorts of terror filled restraints inclusive prisons of despair, and mercenary agents and armies are sent forth to force sovereign nations upon them at the point of the tools of war: when, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of our federal government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements; in such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable right of WE THE PEOPLE to appeal to first principles and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme case, enjoins it as a right towards themselves and a sacred obligation to their posterity to impeach, try, convict, fine, banish without impunity such federal government elected executives, employees, appointees, envoys and to cause to be constitutionally elicited worthy others to be empowered as substitutes in lieu of the next term of elected officials to resume elected powers, calculated to rescue WE THE PEOPLE from impending dangers, and to secure our future welfare and happiness.

    I.

    We declare and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People as a body of lawmakers and we as those who enjoin are responsible and amenable for our acts to the public opinion of mankind. A statement of a part of our grievances is, therefore, submitted to an impartial world, in justification of the hazards but unavoidable step now taken of severing our political support and connection with the present Congress, Senate and Executive Branch of our Federal government and assuming an attitude of remorse for our CONGRESS allowed and empowered actions amiss among those mentioned nations of the earth.

    II.

    Our present past and present Executive leadership [hereafter called it], by its illicit pre-planed war intentions, convinced WE THE PEOPLE and CONGRESS by deception and the horrors inflicted on our soil after 911 that war was imminent. Then induced the American population to pledge their faith to war efforts to restrain, restrict and rid our nation from more acts of terrorism. Thus in so doing WE THE PEOPLE should continue to enjoy our constitution liberty and democratic government to which we had been habituated in the land of our birth, the United States of America. In this expectation they have cruelly disappointed, and have acquiesced in their changes made in the government by it who having altered substantively the constitution of this county, and now offers us the cruel alternation either to abandon our people property and liberties, or submit to the most intolerable of all tyranny, the combined despotism of Federal Law Enforcement and Armies and the vile contemptible past and present Executive Branch of our government.

    III.

    It has sacrificed our people property and welfare toward war efforts in the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan by which our interests have been continually depressed through a jealous and partial course of legislation, and carried on at a far removed from saneness and alien to consent seat of our government, by a hostile Executive majority, and this, too notwithstanding we have petitioned in the humblest terms for CONGRESS to enforce the LAWS of impeachment in accordance with the provisions of the United State Constitution. And WE THE PEOPLE have presented in the media and Internet and to CONGRESS our pleas and without just cause, ALL have been contemptuously rejected.

    IV.

    It has failed and refused to secure absolute justice and has implemented such into the PATRIOT ACT, on a firm basis, the right of trial by jury, that palladium of civil liberty, and only safe guarantee for the life, liberty, and property of all peoples.

    V.

    It has failed to empower more and bring sober judgments and sound resolutions too our public system of education, although possessed of almost boundless resource [public domain] and, although it is an axiom, in political science, that unless a people are educated and enlightened, It is idle to expect the continuance of civil liberty or the capacity for self-government.

    VI.

    It has suffered the Federal Investigative and Enforcers of law officials, and their employees and emissaries stationed among us and abroad, to exercise arbitrary acts of secrecy ambiguity oppression and tyranny; thus trampling upon the most sacred rights of the citizen and rendering the military superior to civil power.

    VII.

    It has dissolved, by force of arms, the nations of Iraq and Afghanistan and obliged the indigenous contiguous people to flee for their lives and from their people and property and seats of governments; thus depriving them of their fundamental rights of life and political right of representation.

    VIII.

    It has demanded the surrender of a number of their citizens, and ordered military detachments to seize and carry them into prisons for trial; in contempt of the civil authorities, and in defiance of the laws of those nations.

    IX.

    It has made piratical attacks upon our treasuries, by commissioning national and foreign desperadoes and mercenaries and Federal Law Enforcement authorizing them to lay claim to territories alien to our core needs. And to expend our national treasuries on the unprovoked wars and enormous buildup of long-term military installations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And to seize property of Iraq and Afghanistan citizens in confiscation for the intended use of the energy barons.

    X.

    It denies us the right of worshiping the Almighty according to the dictates of our own religious zeal conscience and independent commitment to the our GOD, by the illicit use of our personal and combined treasuries and the unconscionable treatment of our military men and women many dying in vain for the needless and endless wars, all calculated to promote the temporal financial interest of its servile alliances to the tyrannical barons of industry, energy and communications rather than the glory of the true and living Creator.

    XI.

    It has constrained us to take away our voice of dissent, which is essential to our defense, the rightful voice of freemen, and precursor to a formidable foe only to tyrannical governments.

    XII.

    It has invaded our homes and homeland with intent to lay waste our territory and elicit safety and security from our homes; and now has a large mercenary of armies at its disposal soon to be advancing to carry on against us and others wars on terror in selective extermination.

    XIII.

    It has, through its secret emissaries, incited the merciless savage, with, sophisticated weapons of war to massacre inhabitants in our offensive invading wars against hapless defenseless nations.

    XIV.

    It has been, during the entire time of our allegiance with it, made contemptible sport and victim of us with it successive laid claims as intolerable revolutionaries towards our constitution, and us and has continually exhibited every characteristic of a weak, corrupt, and tyrannical government led by the wishes of those who have a will to destroy.

    XV.

    These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by WE THE PEOPLE until they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up our combined voice again in defense of the national constitution. We appealed to our brethren for assistance. Our appeals thus far have been made in vain. Through months and even years have elapsed. No sympathetic response has yet been heard from CONGRESS. We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion that the past and present Executive Branch has acquiesced in the destruction of our liberty, and the substitution therefore of a military government--that they insist we are unfit to be free and incapable of self-government.

    XVI.

    The necessity of our mortal and immortal self-preservation, therefore, now decrees our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People to indict and/or impeach try convict fine and banish with out impunity enablers makers and profiteers of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the inclusive war on terror and the enablers and makers of our present financial crisis.

    XVII.

    It has suffered a disproportion of illicit terror on the estimated 750,000 morally sound and believer in the Creator of all fellow believers in Iraq many tens of thousands have left their homes, land people and property fleeing from Iraq during our war efforts for fear of their lives. Thus ridding the commands of our Creator as null and void.

    WE THE PEOPLE, therefore, as the constitutional empowered delegates, with plenary powers, of the people of the United States of America, in solemn sober and resolute connectivity have assembled, appealing to a candid world for the necessities of our conditions, do hereby resolve and declare that our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People. Thus proving that we have severed our political connection with the present Executive Branch of our nation to wit has ended; and that WE THE PEOPLE do now constitute a free, sovereign, and independent highest ranking voice, and are fully invested with all the rights and attributes which properly belong to independent people; and conscious of the rectitude of our intentions, we have fearlessly and confidently committed these issues to the decision of the Supreme Arbiter of the destiny of each as individuals and of WE THE PEOPLE .

    Thus I_______________________________do solemnly swear by a formal oath and by the testament of my name that I am a conjoined contiguous solicitous one of WE THE PEOPLE. And too that extent I fully agree with this------the Collaborated Petition with Pleadings and Demand made on our CONGRESS.

    Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  201. Smacks a bit of anarchy.

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  202. “They Want Your Soul! ( Govt. & Corporations ) Don't Let Them Have it!” Alex Jones 9min clip commenting on NOW and the loss of American Liberty. InfoWars.com Link:

    During a speech today on cybersecurity, Obama told a whopper. He said the governments effort to protect us from cyber bad guys will not include monitoring private sector networks or Internet traffic. We will preserve and protect the personal privacy and civil liberties that we cherish as Americans. Is it possible Obama has never heard of Mark Klein, the retired AT&T communications technician who said years ago that the company shunted all Internet traffic — including traffic from peering links connecting to other Internet backbone providers — to semantic traffic analyzers, installed in a secret room inside the AT&T central office on Folsom Street in San Francisco? There are similar rooms in Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego, all sucking up internet data. MSNBC airing of Countdown with Keith Olbermann, May 29, 2009, link: http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=914

    “The Obama Deception” - warning watching this 111 minute movie will bust all your concepts that America is a representative country of the people and by the people. If there was ever a movie that spelled out the best reason to have a Federal Constitutional Convention, this movie is it. Link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6223232123104914517&ei=-9i4SciUE4G0wgPx1s3IAQ&q=Obama+deception+site%3Avideo.google.com&hl=en&so=1&dur=3

    “Mercury and Fluoride – The Dumbing Down of A Population” Why is America so brainwashed by the corporate media? Why do we care more about American Idol and sports games than being poisoned with mercury in our vaccinations and sodium fluoride in our water supply? America needs to wake up and get the facts about our chemical manipulation before it's too late. Link: http://tr.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ARhMPVu-A

    “The American Form of Government” this ten minute clip helped me put our present government into a clearer form of perspective. Link:

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  203. mjbushnell03 58 minutes ago PLEASE GO INTO DETAIL AND EXPLAIN HOW MY WORDS SPEAK OF Anarchy. It is the LAW. Anarchy is the absence of LAW.

    NOW WE DO HAVE A MODERATOR----DAVID WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?

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  204. What was that about "the civil liberties we CHERISH as Americans?"

    What about the rest of our civil liberties?

    Was he referring to the ones we DON'T HAVE ANY MORE,

    or the ones people care about, like the right to watch American Idol,

    the right to remain willfully ignorant, or

    the right of government officials to ignore the Constitution and the Law?

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  205. You all may already know this, but if not, this proposal is no longer viewable by anyone coming to site for the first time, or coming back to site and didn't comment or vote on this already. See http://ping.fm/9Xgl2 for David's article on the deletion. Sad to say I am not surprised, but I am angry. What to do next... Peace

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  206. Some of the 'brainstorming' that was happening under this post was a bit too much like ranting, and sometimes even personal attacks,, but that should not be a reason to remove the post... or lock it, or whatever they did. Perhaps we do need to write an actual letter of complaint, about the closed nature of our new 'open' government...

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  207. david Idea Submitter

    The proposal has been reinstated. People can see it listed and vote on it.

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  208. Thank you, David; that is good news.

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  209. Have not found the restatement--- can some one help?

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  210. David, this is an impressive list of ideas. Obviously you have given this a lot of thought. I like most of your ideas but dislike others so I was unable to cast a positive vote. Sorry. I encourage you to restate each idea in your list as a separate post so each may stand of fall on its own merit.

    Actually your list is not unlike an omnibus bill in congress, forcing our Representatives to vote for or against a list of items, some good for the country and some bad. That is one of the things wrong with big government.

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  211. nemesispaladin,

    I also agree with most of the items on the list, but felt that the "looks promising" definition of a thumbs up vote allowed for general approval without indicating a 100% endorsement. Since this is the brainstorming phase, to be followed by some editing, this is an opportunity to weigh in on some of the specifics that we like and that we don't like. David has specifically requested ideas for improving the proposal. I'd also be interested in hearing what you have to say.

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  212. Not to be crude and not to be rude but to trying to be prudent I find a word that is not likely to get anyone’s attention in Congress [DEMAND]. I did not count the times that word was used but the implication of US the people demanding anything from Congress or the Senate is just absurd. There is a marching order there now and despite all of our good intentions not much will ever change until our DEMANDS made have teeth in them. And that is never going to occur using the tactic of a Constitutional Convention. Those aspiring to those ideas please study the HOW TO’S before advocating.

    Radically changing the Constitution will not occur in most of our lifetimes. It has worked thus far and has proven to be a good document as now stands. But the lack of We The People using our power laid out in the constitution lays in ruins. For as in all matters concerning people where there is wealth there is waste. And when average John and Jane Doe America started investing into the Ponzi scheme Wall Street, they got hooked like a drug addict. Because of that how can some one hooked see clearly what lies behind the doors where the dealer does his thing?

    Nor did I hear any speak as a Patrick Henry “Give me liberty or give me death”. And until a few step forward to put teeth in any demand put on our political luminaries not much but grief is going to proceed. I know those will emerge and quickly but as to the time I simply do not know. Possibly in the next 30 to 90 days then my predications is that a mind swell will become evident and take our nation by storm. I see women ages 25 to 45 leading that charge for change. Many men today are mice and do not stand for much at all, but women bear the brunt of protecting their fruit of their wombs. I believe that some of the Billionaires that are not a part of the Bilderberg groups will emerge about the same time to put their Skin in the Game to get done what must get done and that is in good lawyers stating our case as lobbyist.

    The arousal of human dignity not being allowed and preserving each other’s right to life are all around the earth today and are seen by many as a prelude of a new dawn for mankind. The tragic state of those events is still just a griping and complaining state with not many seeing any ways to get set a course to fix. But that human awaking to oppose slavery is in the air right now and has been set in motion that will not draw back no matter what fear factors are used to try to cause to diminish. The age-old stories and fables told to hold mankind in a stupor of despair and be easily led by the barons doing service to their kings are just gone. Most know today that the names Bill Gates, Rupert Murdock, Warren Buffet, David Koch and thousands more mean little to nothing to the maturating of Mankind. And the scope of mankind just knowing that none of those names mean anything other than greed has finally set in. Now the struggle will come how do we as a commune group go forward ruling over our political folks called our employees to spend our wealth prudently while providing us with protections from our foes within and outside our borders.

    dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  213. To find its reinstatement:

    Click on "Legal & Policy Challenges"

    Then click on "Top Rated"

    It is presently the second from the top.

    Wari

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  214. The American people will never rise up or unit under anyone until they are removed from their comfort zones. To put it plainly, American’s do not give a damn unless it concerns them directly or impacts them directly. We have become a very selfish and self centered society, deeply involved in our own decadence. We think our thoughts and opinions do not matter in the great scheme of things. We are tiny and insignificant. We let our insecurities about ourselves cloud our judgments to the point that we follow blindly any politician that speaks of ever growing military needs. As long as other people fight my wars and it does not directly affect my family, who cares.

    And then there is Television, our soothsayer, our happy box, our best friend and advisor. Television does not represent truth; it represents an amusement park, a circus, a carnival, stage actors, football players, it is the boredom killing business. Do not be tempted to believe the illusions television spins, the altered realities presented by boardroom executives. People worship television in that they emulate what they see, eat what they are told to eat, ware the clothing they are told to ware, and believe the political beliefs they are inundated with. Television is the conduit of mass mind reprogramming.

    The question now is why are we all so easy to manipulate by our love of self and television? It is because we are all being chemically manipulated to be passive and unquestioning of authority via fluoridation of our drinking water and the poisons in our food, such as aspartame, monosodium glutamate, and high fructose corn syrup. And when these substances make us sick in the long run, we face that situation alone, because the insurance industry cuts your coverage as soon as it determines your to big of a loss statement. So if you wish to pretend to care, you can always look up a few of my ideas by clicking my name or the links below. Have a nice fluoridated day.

    Ban Fluoride in Public Drinking Water and Beverages. Link: http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4177-4049

    Ban Aspartame. Link: http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4176-4049

    Ban Monosodium Glutamate. Link: http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4175-4049

    Ban High Fructose Corn Syrup. Link: http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4173-4049

    Free Media Election Time. Link: http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4136-4049

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  215. Robert Sapolsky for president

    http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/6198-4049

    We need a common understanding of how these tyrants are pushing everyone's buttons and causing

    us to bicker over petty nonsense rather than unite against our common enemy: the tyrants themselves.

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  216. kdtroxel and to ALL

    I believe you have good strong and sane points on being anesthetized by intake of foods and drink.

    Yet the more pervasive evil is the TV. It only appeals today to those caught in the ID. You are right self is all those folks dwell on 24/7. And because of that they have been left out and been left behind of having any common sense and reason any longer.

    Yet we must never forget it only takes 3 to 5 million of us to save the entire USA. Only 3.8% of the people joined in the Revolution against Britain and the King.

    We spend far too much time preaching and teaching to the choir.

    We the 3 to 5 million have the best bully pulpit to come along in the history of mankind the Internet.

    Yet for the common good using common sense and reason and the core logic of law here we set passing notes back and forth like fourth graders.

    And sometimes I throw stuff back and forth too. We are all involved in child’s play with good intent but we must all grow up and decide it is far past time for us to take over our federal states and local governments using the rule of law.

    And NO ONE MAN should head up anything any longer in our sector of working to take back over and any other time. Our tribe is far too big to settle in on one BIG CHIEF to do for us what we will not or cannot do for ourselves. SELF GOVERNANCE must come from first town hall meetings and then moved along to DC as our voices are heard on each and every matter then voted on then become a matter of LAW as Justice should and must rule in all acts of being civil.

    We have a lost generation at this time in America. Those many that was born in the 1990’s and came into puberty when the BUSH REGIME was in power. That group HATES. Not all of course but many of them. They are not beyond redemption but getting closer each day. And if and I don’t think it will anarchy occurs it will be from those in that generation. Many have not much of a brain left because of drugs. GOD FORBIDS.

    Cheers to all let us get this train to moving we have much work to do.

    Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  217. This is more more case where 44 Presidents = 44 Liars

    If there's nothing to hide...why hide the information, objects, gag people, shred documents or loose emails violating Federal Law?

    Say what you mean and mean what you say.

    Don't make promises and policies you don't intend to keep and to keep the policies and promises you do make.

    ACTIONS speak louder than words.

    ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.

    ACTIONS are the final judgment of character.

    It REALLY is that simple.

    Bob...:D

    http://www.mycommonsensepolitics.net

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  218. TWO AND MORE YEARS AND STILL EARS DO NOT WANT TO HEAR

    CAN WE WAIT?

    MUST WE CLEARLY DEFINE OUR NEEDS IN UNIFIED PRAYER VIGILS?

    ELECTED LEADERS

    ARE YOU--- OUR SOLICITOUS VANGUARDS

    GOING TO DO YOUR JOB?

    By Dwight Bakerã2007

    While looking at the latest pictures from the Iraq war the chill of an aloof morbid insanity fueling anarchist behavior loomed as the final UN-doing and Impeachment proceedings for our elected Executives who are simply WARMONGERS.

    Lies, dishonesty, fabrication, deception, and UN-truths have been hidden from the populace of our Democratic Republic and has been called Executive privilege.

    Now, who can look at public execution by anarchist [whom admittedly are not known but empowered by our general funds] to carry on acts of savagery deemed by some as good? The worst scar possible for our Nation is being televised and in print around the world. Illustrating our lack of humanity, and failure to control, indict; impeach the Executive Administration from the heights to the lowest for such war crimes. Our Nation continues to plummet via those that espouse the use of our national treasury found in our people and our property providing the people and means to continue the current Iraq war. And is quite notably found in those that espouse the entire scope and breath of secrecy and the absence of sane leadership.

    Many of our elected leadership still wait in some kind of quandary wanting to find a way to shun their Constitutional authority to stop the madness.

    SO-CALLED ACCURATE TELEVISED POLES are used by some in a fashion of redundant gibberish to try and prove a point of interest which depending on the source to elicit or promote us to accept and be part of the trend.

    WHO CAN ACCEPT ACTS OF SUMMARY MURDER. And furthermore who wants to be indicted and tried as a co-conspirator in such war crimes by and with such insane actions.

    Lest none of us forget we too are at risk. Our children and grandchildren have been burdened to pay the enormous price for this folly of war in Afghanistan and Iraq. YET some of our elected leadership sits and ponders and wonders relentlessly as if in a state of hibernation while the insanity of it all permeates each of our lives daily.

    WHERE ARE OUR DULY ELECTED LEADERS SOME OF WHO MAY BE SOLICITOUS VANGUARDS TO DO THEIR JOBS AS SWORE TO DO BY THE EDICTS OF THE CONSTITUTION?

    Prayer is our Judeo-Christian Connection to our Advocate in Heaven the LORD JESUS KING of Planet Earth.

    Elijah called out to GOD for supernatural intervention to rid Gods people of those evil prophets and prophetess of Jezebel idolatry that was designated to lead them into illicit UN-Godly acts thus separating them from the Love of God.

    God did what Elijah asked. I Kings Chapters. 17-18-19

    We too--------who have an ear to hear and an eye to see the insanity of the time in which we live--------must too--------be very specific in our prayers of indictments, charges and our request for punishment and pleas to God through Jesus Christ our King and our Advocate. I John 2:1

    Each of us that acknowledge that Jesus is our King must be assured that we have been left in charge of this HIS PEOPLE and this HIS EARTH.

    The power found in agreement between Jesus followers and adherents is awesome.

    Jesus said Matthew 18:19 " Again I say unto you, that if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven."

    For more information contact

    Dwight Baker PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass TX 78853

    Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077

    Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  219. I wanted to share with you all how it feels to someone who was born in Cuba to have a presence since the start of the nation in Cuba, thrust upon Cuba upon threat of domination and occupancy by the US... In the late 19th century, Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, were fighting for their independence from the Spanish empire, much as the US had earlier fought against the British, including the war of 1812. The US needed (always needed) markets for its products (there is historical evidence of speeches before the Congress calling for greater expansion... to the South, Latin America, to the East, whatever). The US had a ship docked outside the harbor (la Habana) which 'blew up' under mysterious circumstances, but which explosion (now it is said that the ship's boiler blew up, by itself... similar to some of the buildings that blew up from below in the World Trade Center - they still use the same tricks...) was promptly blamed on the Spanish, and used to fuel national anger and demand for retribution (yellow journalism, then as now), so that the US declared war on Spain. Now you had a young and ever more powerful nation against a decaying empire, and for Spain you also had a whole ocean to cross, while the US is only 90 miles north of certain parts of Cuba... so the outcome was predictable. But the thing is, the 'liberator' had no intention of just leaving... As war booty they got Puerto Rico (which has never been able to shake off US domination), the Philippines (which lost a million nationals in their continuing struggle to get rid of one empire which had supplanted another) and Cuba (as well as islands here and there). The US at that point was occupying, Cubans were trying to come up with a constitution, and the Platt amendment was forced down the throats of the new nation, Guantanamo was 'leased' in perpetuity for a measly sum, 45 square miles to be used for 'coaling and naval purposes only (not for detaining or torturing prisoners), and the yearly amount paid was 2000 dollars in gold coins... Fidel cashed only the first yearly check, but the US says that means he reaffirmed the lease.

    I would love to see, in my lifetime, all US military/naval presence out of Cuba. I may have to come back in another life though... although the empire is in its waning years.

    The Philippines paid for their freedom with genocide (what do you call a million or more dead...) and Puerto Rico for years was occupied and made to feel, in their own land, as lesser than the invaders. But then again, how did Hawaii feel after they were tricked into 'statehood?' For me, once again, the end of the empire can't come too soon. Mind you, I hope it's 'graceful,' but the US has too long gotten used to being the neighborhood bully, and I don't hold out much hope of that. And unfortunately, most of the populace believes there is an 'entitlement.'

    I worked long and hard to have Obama elected; I felt proud when he was sworn in, and hopeful (not that I did not realize he was not a leftist, but that he was of a race that had been downtrodden, and had Muslim relatives, and all in all it was wonderful.

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  220. BREAD LINES FULL OF THOSE WITH EARS THAT DID NOT HEAR

    In any civilization the poorest most impoverished citizen declares the status of that society. And to that end the good sane and morally upright have been reduced by being over taxed and cut out of the big picture to succumb to more theft of their work by the orchestrated barons of trade, commerce, markers of war and banking. Thus their power to give in total does not exist as once was.

    Therefore solutions must come to deter such hazards facing all of mankind at this time. To just know of the problems is just the first step. It was said long ago TO KNOW THE TRUTH will set one free----from what? “The bondage of slavery”!

    The power brokers around the world are few. But in the group they control the money supply today and have for a long time. Thus the world crisis has been imposed on civilized man to bring all men into slavery. The term that is used by them is re-animalized man. Google that term to read their religion. Every President in the USA since Dwight D. Eisenhower has been initiated into that group of unsavory characters called the Bilderbergs. They go to the Grooves in California each year to plan the next sadistic agendas. And take an oath to never follow any of the tenets in the human conscience. http://www.neaiga.org/secret_societies_pictures.htm

    Now those few control the world in all aspects. But the only way they do is at our submission to them doing such. For again we are many and they are few.

    A plan exists today to take back control of the USA. Once done here other nations that are democracies could do the same thing. By doing so the RULE of LAW must be the stellar example to follow. And the only way to do that is have a cadre of good lawyers prepare the documentation to do so.

    So I challenge all to wake up, step up and shout out stop the madness that is the first thing that is needed. We all must use our voices as our most valuable weapon to let the few bad guys know that we are fed up with them in control.

    For those that want to JOIN IN with our plan read below.

    THE VOICES FOR WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATES ---WTPA for Grass Roots Actions needed for forming our own truth filled lobby in Washington DC to power push our VOICES and VOTES of the people for our rights to life in acts of equity with Justice.

    Dwight Baker Chairman PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853 Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077 Contact E-mail dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  221. “Legislate a requirement that, in any war, the military aged children and grandchildren of the president, the vice president, all cabinet officials, and all Congress members serve on the front lines in the most dangerous combat positions -- no exceptions, no exemptions.”

    No. First of all, it’s vague – “in any war:” Are these wars? Congress didn’t declare war. “the … children…serve” – Does that mean that every child of all these officials MUST serve? For the duration of the war? Women on the front lines? Not at all clear.

    Children and grandchildren of the President, VP, cabinet officials all on the front lines in the most dangerous combat positions? Bad idea. We know damn well their pictures will be circulated among the enemy and they’ll be captured, even contrary to good tactics and logistics, for the strategic goal of blackmailing our government.

    I’m all for our elected officials having some “skin in the game” but this is extreme and ill-advised. I’m OK with it going to the level of Congress on front lines, and cabinet and up in support positions.

    “Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate.” Now that’s an amendment and a half, but I appreciate the motivation to reduce distorted concentration of power. I have a better idea: Eliminate political parties. The only way to accomplish something without party solidarity is to actually discuss the issues.

    “Amend the Constitution to ban private financing of campaigns, create public financing, and provide free air time to candidates.” YES! Free air time to candidates, not their ads. And limit campaign duration. And instant runoff voting.

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  222. ray,

    I have read those words before in this forum, are they your words or some one other?

    DB

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  223. Re-open the Patriot Act and remove the language that impedes our natural and constitutional rights.

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  224. dbaker007: You wrote

    "ray,

    I have read those words before in this forum, are they your words or some one other?"

    Must be mine. I was not alone in having difficulties logging on after I composed my response, and so I probably posted it twice, unsure it had been posted the first time.

    Thanks for paying attention to this important topic.

    RW

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  225. SOME HERE COMMENTING HAS A FEAR TO STUDY THUS MANY OF THE IDEAS ARE GOOD BUT SIMPLY DO NOT MEET THE RULE OF LAW.

    Because of that, my assessments of what must be done now are more profound than ever. Many of us are not lawyers and do not understand the language used, we must hire advocates that do or we will simply slide into oblivion.

    As I have suggested we must finance our own lobby in DC to take care of our business at hand.

    http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1003/1003consconv.htm

    dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  226. FORGET ABOUT HAVING A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. THE GOVERNORS OF THE LARGER STATES MUST MAKE THAT HAPPEN

    So those many that want to amend the constitution IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. We must to succeed play with the same rules that apply today in DC, money talks. And we can do the math 3 to 5 million of us each paying $25.00 each month to have our voices heard and votes counted we could blind side most of the thieves that is operating now in DC.

    Now one example of thievery right under our noses and the FREE PRESS had said nothing. GM is going to get big bucks from us----but on the other hand we are going to get a stake in the business. I don’t want a stake in GM right now GM has huge clean up jobs ahead of them as per the EPA. Best estimate I could get was in the trillions.

    What right-minded person would want to take on that kind of liability?

    So folks we can pay now and keep our Freedom or set back like a bump on a log and go into slavery. You pick

    Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

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  227. WAKE UP AMERICANS WE ARE AT WAR WITH THE BEAST OF MANKIND

    WAKE UP MY FELLOW AMERICANS WE ARE AT A WAR OF WORDS

    AGAINST THE BEAST OF MANKIND

    Following is a blow x blow how words fashioned the rape pillange plunder and deaths of millions by a Beast . His name King Leopold II of Belgium 1835---1909

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium#Leopold_and_the_Belgians

    Read and study for what he did was as per international law. Words my fellow Americans we must have lawyers help us in DC now. I think as many as 1 to 2 thousand. We are loosing the battle to keep our freedom we must mount the only offensive we have and that is to form our own lobby in DC.

    Leopold fervently believed that overseas colonies were the key to a country's greatness, and he worked tirelessly to acquire colonial territory for Belgium. Neither the Belgian people nor the Belgian government were interested, however, and Leopold eventually began trying to acquire a colony in his private capacity as an ordinary citizen. The Belgian government lent him money for this venture.

    After a number of unsuccessful schemes for colonies in Africa or Asia, in 1876 he organized a private holding company disguised as an international scientific and philanthropic association, which he called the International African Society.

    In 1876, under the auspices of the holding company, he hired the famous explorer Henry Morton Stanley to establish a colony in the Congo region. Much diplomatic maneuvering resulted in the Berlin Conference of 1884–85, at which representatives of fourteen European countries and the United States recognized Leopold as sovereign of most of the area he and Stanley had laid claim to. On 5 February 1885, the result was the Congo Free State (later the Belgian Congo, then the Republic of the Congo, then Zaire, and now the Democratic Republic of the Congo or DRC, not to be confused with Republic of the Congo), an area 76 times larger than Belgium, which Leopold was free to rule as a personal domain through his private army, the Force Publique.

    A result of Leopold's colonialism, children had their hands amputated when they didn't meet demands for the Belgians.[4]

    Forced labor was extorted from the natives. The abuses were particularly bad in the rubber industry, including enslavement and mutilation of the native population. Missionary John Harris of Baringa, for example, was so shocked by what he had come across that he felt moved to write a letter to Leopold's chief agent in the Congo: "I have just returned from a journey inland to the village of Insongo Mboyo. The abject misery and utter abandon is positively indescribable. I was so moved, Your Excellency, by the people's stories that I took the liberty of promising them that in future you will only kill them for crimes they commit."

    Estimates of the death toll range from two to fifteen million. The Encyclopædia Britannica[citation needed] estimates the population loss at somewhere between 8 million and 30 million people.[5][6][7] Determining how many people died is difficult as accurate records were not kept. Smallpox and sleeping sickness decimated the population.[8] By 1896 the sleeping sickness had killed up to 5,000 Africans in the village of Lukolela on the Congo River. The mortality figures were gained through the efforts of Roger Casement, who found only 600 survivors of the disease in Lukolela in 1903.[9]

    Reports of outrageous exploitation and widespread human rights abuses led to an international protest movement in the early 1900s. The campaign under the auspices of the Congo Reform Association to report on Leopold's "secret society of murderers," led by British diplomat Roger Casement, and former shipping clerk E. D. Morel, became the first mass human rights movement.[10] Supporters included American humorist Mark Twain, who wrote a stinging political satire entitled King Leopold's Soliloquy, in which the King supposedly argues that bringing Christianity to the country outweighs a little starvation. Leopold's rubber gatherers were tortured, maimed and slaughtered until the turn of the century, when the conscience of the Western world forced Brussels to call a halt.[11] It should be noted that, as Adam Hochschild describes in King Leopold's Ghost, France, Germany and Portugal were quick to adopt the Congolese methods in those parts of their colonies where natural rubber occurred, imposing a similar death toll on the natives.

    Leopold II with the coat of arms of the Belgian Congo in Ghent, Belgium Finally, in 1908, the Belgian parliament compelled the King to cede the Congo Free State to Belgium. Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria-Hungary once described his fellow ruler as a "thoroughly bad man."

    Leopold II is still a controversial figure in the Democratic Republic of Congo; in 2005 his statue was taken down just hours after it was re-erected in the capital, Kinshasa. The Congolese culture minister, Christoph Muzungu, decided to reinstate the statue, arguing people should see the positive aspects of the king as well as the negative. But just hours after the six-metre (20 ft) statue was erected in the middle of a roundabout near Kinshasa's central station, it was taken down again, without explanation.

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  228. I don't think we should be involved with an International court system, we need to get back to the constitution period, everything the elected officials vote on should be given to the people to vote on.. the elected officials can write the laws but I think the people should vote on them, as well as having one requirement you have to prove you are a citizen to vote.

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  229. The Cowards Way

    Essay one

    Great men have advanced civilization with creative ideas, changes that brought about innovation and better ways to advance the rights of life for mankind. Many are known and many others are less known for they are your neighbor’s friends and kin that make each day better for they never refusing. To do all they can …. With what they have at the time… the need is known. However others take the coward’s way out for they do not have that light spark and glow of others to press forward when faced with insurmountable problems. They instead retreat behind closed doors to conspire and scheme to hoard what they have. For in them from the very start was bad genetics. They were just born wrong.

    John D. sr. pictured above … his father was a medicine man selling a SNAKE OIL potent laced with heroin to housewives as cure all. He was never around home much, but had women in beds waiting him most places that he traveled, so John D. sr. had a lot of bastard brothers and sisters. Now what does that do to ones psyche?

    So how does a past like that get one center stage to be the big want to be giant in mankind’s history? It takes a sociopath mentality. That occurs early on when in the development stages of the personality the ego runs wild and goes after what it cannot have legally then invents ways to be satisfied outside all the rules of laws, conscience first, common laws next, local state then federal.

    Behind closed doors cowards meet or just mediate on ways to lie, cheat, steal and kill without being noticed. That has been the way of the Rockefellers causes, since JD Rockefeller claimed God gave him all the oil in the earth. Now think … “Who”, was the God that gave him … just one greedy sorry wretched man all that oil?

    Again that was his creation of his story the way he wanted it told. And that fit his outward religious affiliations at that time Baptist. John D even stole from his brother William. It was not John D, that was the cleverer but brother William for in him too was bad genetics he knew how to manipulate Wall Street and did that very well. William laid out the financial groundwork for their railroad, pipeline, and refinery deals etc. that led to the Creation of Standard Oil, the biggest meal ticket of all.

    However it was John D that crunched the numbers and got high theft down to science. Hoarding was his way of life and he admitted that he was never satisfied. Again the cowards way out. He began to manipulate the markets by raising the prices of oil that brought about more drilling by independents. When new discoveries were made John D lowered the price of oil that drove many of the new guys on the block to bankruptcy. John D would buy those reserves for pennies on a dollar and all got put in the financial box of being cheated. When drilling for oil investors put in the lions share of the cost then share in revenues made from each specific well or field. So each time that has been done, I think for about 25 to 50 years investors have been the ones who took the big hit.

    Round about men of wealth come many that want to take them behind the closed doors with plans to further their goals. The halls and corridors are full of folks with supposed good ideas how they can aid one --- who needs no help at all. But the Cowards listen intently to see how they can steal the idea. Nothing new about folks doing that they are called investment bankers. Listening for that deal or patent or good idea that can be stolen. And each time a high theft occurs with no retribution the ego grows more out of hand in the way of the coward. During the last 100 years the Rockefellers have leveraged that old oil wealth into a colossus of espionage and sabotage against all the inhabitants of the earth, mass genocide is in their plans.

    “ Yes”, do not forget you are one of us. Your head is on the chopping block too.

    The Cowards Way

    Essay two

    David Rockefeller above was born in 1915 his grandfather was JD Rockefeller. He inherited all that great wealth from Dad and Granddad and he inherited those bad genetics too. He is a coward just like them. His fan club the Bilderbergs calls him King of the world. But could that be right because President Obama thinks he is that too.

    In about 1990 David and Henry Kissinger met with President Regan and handed him out the plans for the Bilderbergs to take over and run the world. Regan just being an actor said “Give me the lines to read”. And off David and Henry went to do their longer range planning behind locked doors. Their grand design then is being implemented today, to reduce earth’s population down to a manageable 3 billion, with 6 billion of us alive today wonder “Who” is going to get the Bilderberg Axe. NOT ME.

    Now how about you, are you ready to roll over and just let them kill your family friends kin and you too?

    The need for greed breeds insanity into those that get it. It is called “They get to play like they are GODS”. Oops some might say come again on that one. “They get to play like they are GODS”. All that play time is done behind closed doors in secret meetings all over the earth in hide a ways that many times our tax money is used to make sure high security protects them while they are playing their sin sick cowardly games. Again some might asks, “How could that be”? Simple, they buy politicians all over the world change laws around that favor them so the bribe just works out real good in their favor. Now for those that need proof just google Bilderbergs in the Obama Administration and you will find many. All those Bilderbergs holding high-ranking offices are not working for We the People but for the Biderbergs agenda and that is to rob us blind.

    Now the TV press is in on it too. The Printed media too, to know the TRUTH you must study. It is out there just find it.

    But the in the group of misfit morons and cowards they call themselves Bilderbergs but that is just their Giant they try to hide behind. They are all cowards and hide behind that seemed colossal giant. They play like, behind closed doors, they have it all, yet they do not. For the Bilderbergs is just a paper tiger. The “More”, that know that the better off the earths population is going to be.

    I still have hero’s one of mine is King David. He had proved his worth as a boy. Done what he was asked to do. Protected his fathers sheep fought a bear and lion with bare hands and won. When Goliath threatened to take out David’s Kin he took on that fight. I have been to that brook where the fight ensued and let me tell you there are no small pebbles to be seen. David looked for the most vulnerable point on Goliath to take him down. He found it and down Goliath come tumbling to the ground. Then with the sword that Goliath had prepared to kill others he got that to his own neck.

    What is the most vulnerable spot on the Bilderbergs Goliath? What kind of stone must we throw to bring that beast to the ground?

    Now I have some ideas, but heck you got a good mind you think about it too.

    More to come on finding that right stone to bring that beast to the ground then gather up all the cowards as they try to run off and hide, bring them before the bar of Justice for the high crimes they have all committed. Strip them of everything they have hoarded. Then destroy all the things that had prepared to destroy us, and that my friend is a terror of horrors likes unto Hitler’s Germany of poisons but far worse.

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  230. Here's something to have fun with... lol

    http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/7437-4049

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  231. Democracy:

    A government of the masses.

    Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.

    Results in mobocracy.

    Attitude toward property is comunistic-negating property rights.

    Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate. whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

    Results in demagogism license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

    Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.

    A certain Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."

    A democracy is majority rule and is destructive of liberty because there is no law to prevent the majority from trampling on individual rights. Whatever the majority says goes! A lynch mob is an example of pure democracy in action. There is only one dissenting vote, and that is cast by the person at the end of the rope.

    Republic:

    Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.

    Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.

    Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.

    A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.

    Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

    Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

    A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of:

    an executive and

    a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create

    a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize

    certain inherent individual rights.

    Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

    Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

    A republic is a government of law under a Constitution. The Constitution holds the government in check and prevents the majority (acting through their government) from violating the rights of the individual. Under this system of government a lynch mob is illegal. The suspected criminal cannot be denied his right to a fair trial even if a majority of the citizenry demands otherwise.

    Difference between Democracy and Republic, in brief:

    Democracy:

    a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority.

    b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

    Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences

    Republic

    a: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

    b: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

    Democracy and Republic are often taken as one of the same thing, but there is a fundamental difference. Whilst in both cases the government is elected by the people, in Democracy the majority rules according to their whims, whilst in the Republic the Government rule according to law. This law is framed in the Constitution to limit the power of Government and ensuring some rights and protection to Minorities and individuals.

    The difference between Republic and Righteous Republic is that in the Republic the Government rules according to the law set up by men, in the Righteous Republic the law is the Law of God. Only in the Righteous Republic it can truly be said "One nation under God" for it is governed under commandments of the only One True God and there is no pluralism of religions.

    Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.

    Mobocracy: 1. Political control by a mob. 2. The mass of common people as the source of political control.

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