OpenGov - Open Government Brainstorm

Why would you BAN such users when YOU YOURSELF thanked them for posting the question? Heck, you thanked them over and over and over again. What are you afraid of luvwith?

None of your links show a birth certificate: You know that, right?

it is increasingly obvious the people who run this site have no real interest in transparency or anything of the like.

it is obvious based on sheer volume of people asking this is a Huge issue. to Americans. to ban users who disagree with you and your opinion only proves the point you are so in denial of. the left could care less about fair play.

ban us all We will not stop! what will happen is we will form a new site that does not Censor people.

What is illustrates best is this person's repeated comments, copied and pasted over and over again, thanking us for supposedly hurting ourselves over this issue, and THEN asking that we all would be banned for hurting ourselves.

Huh?

That makes no sense. Seems this person is uncomfortable with the request for a real birth certificate after all.

Very illuminating indeed.

I thought this board was for Open Dialog with our Government? The posts will keep up until Obama or someone in our government actually looks into the matter.

Maybe you don’t care about this country but I for one do and do believe in the Constitution. To make a statement saying that most people don’t care is completely false.

As far as your statement about this story being debunked is FALSE. The websites you quoted are inaccurate.

Why does Obama continue to spend the kind of money he has and still hides behind attorney’s to block any access to his long form birth certificate, his school records and his originally passport information?

These questions will not go away…….

Just because there is a vocal fringe group posting endlessly about this issue does not make it mainstream.

Huff and puff all you want folks. You are marginalized.

It's called free speech, although with liberals that only includes their obnoxious and more than often profane discourse

I'm curious as to how it is that factcheck.org can supposedly get a supposedly legal copy of Obama's Bith Certificate, yet all the Attorneys who have filed law suits can see the BC for themselves!!!!

THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE!!!!!

luvwith, all the spam in the world isn't going to help you because you can't answer the simplest question: Where is the birth certificate and why won't Obama show it?

If you continue to post and repost the same drivel I will report you for a violation of the terms of use.

I'll tell you who is marginalized.

If you read the definition of the word, it is luvwith who is entirely and completely marginalized.

"If you read the definition of the word, it is luvwith who is entirely and completely marginalized."

Really? I support the president and the party in charge of both houses of congress. Your party controls what? Nothing. You guys are in the woods man, and you ain't even lookin for a way out.

First you say you have read through 50 posts, then you say

"The fact is most of us don't care what you have to say. More people voted for Obama than any president in history. This story has been debunked, thoroughly by independent non-partisan sources.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html" ???

This seems to prove you haven't read through 50 posts (more like 200)because you would know that the "proofs" you have referred to are false, and not proof of anything.

luvwith, you are marginalized. Read the definition of the word. YOU PERSONALLY are marginalized. Why? Because you are ignorant, petulant, unable to express yourself or answer the simplest question.

You are marginalized. And I did that to you.

Seriously birthers, this attempt to hijack a legitimate open government tool is obnoxious and counterproductive. The election is over. Please grow up and try to be productive members of our community.

Don't you know? Anybody who thoroughly debunked this story can't be an independent non-partisan source. Everybody is part of the conspiracy. But they can't brainwash me I keep a bedpan ductaped to my head.

You should check your facts from another source. Try this one: http://theobamafile.com/ The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials

Obama has not released his birth certificate, his college records or any other documents to prove he is a Natural born citizen as required by the Constitution to be President. Even the State of Hawaii does not accept the documents that Faxtcheck.Org posted as proof of idenity.

I'm beginning to understand what you mean when you say the right is unwilling to compromise...

This is how incendiary radical groups are formed - not because of our staunch stance behind an issue but to combat the ignorant opposition against it.

the funniest part is, they seek to use this as a means to begin impeachment proceedings - showing they have little care for the state of our economy, our other fledgling systems, our reputation abroad, or anything except themselves.

I also find it ironic that since day one the president to win by the greatest popular vote in decades has received more scrutiny by the alleged right-wing (who are truly further left than even the most progressive democrat) in six months than the obviously, probably, and factually corrupt Bush administration did in eight years. There is countless evidence against senior bush executives, yet none will initiate a trial.

In fact, Dick Cheney openly and proudly asserts ignoring the bill or rights, the Geneva convention, and breaking just about any law he came across and it is met with thunderous applause.

America really is two countries. One that aims to positively influence our world for the better and one that cares only for its diluted self-interest.

zauberer, whatever planet you are on, the United States is not Obama's country - it is ours. We are not thrilled with the kinds of changes, changes that defy our constitution.

you will see much more disagreement with Obama, and even voters' remorse, because the voters did not know who or what they voted for.

they are finding out, and obama's agenda gets very low marks. That will begin to translate into low marks for the man himself.

I hope you can take it.

THIS IS A GRETA IDEA.

America;s so called liberals are very intolerant of people with different views. The type of censorship proposed here - much like implementation of the "fairness doctrine" would help to prove that today's "liberal actually prefer dictatorial type approaches.

Did you know this site has already been rigged so that the posts asking for Obama to support transparency by providing his own birth certificate, health records and college records are not properly counted, even if they do not get deleted.

It is possible to review this site to find the most rquested ideas by scanning "Top Rated" posts.

According to the liars running this website the most requested item has NOT been Obama's birth certificate.

(My email is ricardomigrant@aol.com - inlcude your email address if you want me to reply to you)

Obama's agenda gets very low marks from who?

From the American people. For instance, only 21% of Americans like the GM bailout. Looks like they were right. After all that money, GM still went bankrupt, but did so UNDER OBAMA'S watchful eye.

Also, the majority of Americans are not in favor of his plans for Gitmo detainees, nor are people happy about Obama's move to keep Georgia from checking to see if voters are citizens of the US.

The list is long. Start digging for yourself.

Ricardomigrant, is a pot about to meet a kettle.

If the site is so rigged, why are you still here? There re more sympathetic avenues to express your fear and hatred.

The most requested item has NOT been for the birth certificate, except by those who feel they are entitled to more than one vote.

luvwith, your comment that Obama received more voted than any other candidate in history is misleading. He received 52% of the popular vote which is one of the narrowest margins ever. However, he targeted his campaign toward states with high numbers of electoral votes and therefore obtained an overwhelming majority in the electoral college.

please read "votes" in place of "voted". typo

Just gotta love the predictability of the obots. If they don't like something they want to destroy it or at least ban it.

Soooo tolerant.

Can't u just feel the love here??? Spin...Spin...I am dizzy, just want proof that the prez here is a lEGITIMATE dude. Not a whole lot to ask. Post his credentialos and I am outta this place...otherwise...I still may visit often. Anyone know how to dry pumpkin? I think maybe just slice it thin and hang for awhile.

U So FOS

And the question remains: Where's the birth certificate Obama?

cloudscape, so what your saying is you have no interest in participating in your government but here here only for your personal selfish interests?

I'm trying real hard to support this cause. Despite disagreeing with it, I feel you have a right to have your honest questions answered - but the ignorance and insolence is making it exceedingly difficult.

to Zauberer44

I fail to see that the issue of Obama meeting the U.S. Constitution requirements to be President is not a personal or selfish interest. It is a Legal requirement.

Correction to the message to Zauberer44

I fail to see that the issue of Obama meeting the U.S. Constitution requirements to be President is a personal or selfish interest. It is a Legal requirement.

It's not, however the presentation of your (the plural "your") case betrays your intentions.

I was referring directly to:

"Post his credentialos and I am outta this place"

Which irrefutably exposes a personal agenda. So I asked a legitimate question. Is cloudscape, and others who support this cause here to talk about open government and transparency or are they here to pursue a personal agenda? The answer can be both, but acceptable social standards in this country dictate one substantiate words with actions. JBaker62 meets the standard as he or she has exhibited interest in issues of transparency and accountability beyond an obvious personal interest. You have directly provided constructive ideas for open government in the spirit of this forum, and I thank you for that.

Our records speak for themselves.

If we want this question answered, we'll have to ask it in a manner that exhibits mutual integrity and respect. Encouraging others to spam this forum embraces neither.

When I was a child, and I acted like a spoiled 5 year old and I whined and stamped my feet and DEMANDED attention because I didn’t get my way…my parents sent me to my room. And I’d holler and wail and stamp my feet until I realized that I would not be invited back to participate with the adults and have my voice heard until I changed my behavior and quit acting like an ass.

I could stamp my feet all I wanted, and nobody cared…because I was acting like a rotten little creep and no one wanted me around. When I got tired of being excluded from adult conversation I told my parents I was sorry and that I was ready to be a part of the discussion again.

We would talk and I would express my needs and they would listen. Sometimes I would get the things I’d ask for and sometimes they would explain to me why I wasn’t going to get things the way I wanted them, but they would be respectful and consider my wants.

It’s time for “birther” conservatives to be sent to their room and ignored. To be left out of the conversation by the adults until they are willing to quit making demands and screaming and stomping their feet…to be sent to their rooms until they are willing to work WITH their family members to make a pleasant, peaceful and respectful home for all of us…instead of dominating the environment with selfish, childish pettiness.

luvwith, you seem to rant and whine and throw fits, stomp your feet as you demand we be ignored.

Admit it, you hate this underlying problem - you fear it, and you fight against having the truth revealed. Why?

Factcheck is beholden to Obugabe, as a funded spin-off of the Annenberg Foundation which he helped so generously. It is far from independent and objective.

Hawaii, AFAIK, has never even confirmed that it printed out a Certification for him. So even that totally inadequate documentation is quite possibly just a Photoshopped pastiche cover-up.

This is the Brazen Big Lie technique in operation; his whole candidacy is based on it.

let me get this straight.. John Mcain and the entire republican party sat by and let a foreign born muslim take the white house from them and now sit by idley so that a bunch of gallent patriots and defenders of the faith can run around and spam websites as their only recourse to rectify this travesty of justice? wow!! the republicans are hurting more then i thought!!!! as well as the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, DOD all of them knew that their power would change drasticaly if and when Obama took office and they did nothing. the conspiracy must include tens of thousands of people. i never knew!!Keep up the great work guys!! really your onto something the entire world is delibretely overlooking!

william ward - A perfect bullseye! The Bush administration could grab anything without a warrant using NSL's and they coudn't disqualify Obama But these geniuses know something Dick Cheney couldn't find out.

One fallacy I see in the above arguments is the belief that there is any difference between the Democratic and Republican parties. It is like watching professional wrestling in the 80's. They yell and scream at one another in front of the cameras, then they all get together to split up your money at the end of the night.

Yes, the Jesse Ventura argument. Fair enough - however, that's why we are taking the Republican party back.

Would it not be preferable to build new parties and allow the existing ones to fade away? The reform or replace argument has been on my mind quite a bit lately.

jwelborn... I covered a lot of this on my show. The link below is to a show where, in the last part of the show, I discuss why a third party will not serve anything right now but to make certain that conservatives lose in 2010.

This country cannot wait for a third, conservative party to build up steam. If we don't win the House back in 2010, this experiment in a democratic republic may be over.

http://thejimmyzshow.blogspot.com/2009/05/jimmy-z-friday-show_29.html

I see your point. I would just like to see some candidates who put values ahead of either party affiliation or personal ambitions.

Folks.

We need to leave the cry babies open Government alone and send our comments directly to the man at the Whitehouse. http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/

Rwcx

Ban users who request that the site ban users!

Except for me, of course.

Nobody in the history of this country was more successful at passing what conservatives will tell you are their key issues. He was not a failure by any stretch of the imagination if you are judging by how much of his party's agenda was achieved.

What did he do to deserve this title?

Biggest tax cuts in history

Biggest cuts in "social" programs

Biggest rollbacks of environmental protections

Most defense spending ever

Biggest rollbacks in business and development regulations

Biggest giveaways of public land for mountaintop mining and timber

Biggest crackdown on civil liberties

Biggest cuts in higher education budgets

Privatization of Military, law enforcement and prison infrastructure

Biggest cuts in Veteran's benefits

Two new ultra right Supreme Court picks

And on and on...

There is nothing this man did that was a failure...if you are judging by whether one advances his party's interests. He was able to accomplish things that conservatives have been whimpering that the dirty "Libtard" congresses of Nixon, Bush I, and Reagan blocked them from doing for 40 years.

Well, the stars lined up for them. They got everything they said would "free capitalism" from the bonds of "big government" to work it's magic.

What did we get?

Worst job creation record since Hoover

Actually LOST jobs over his entire first term

300,000 jobs for his second term

(Jimmy Carter created 10 million jobs in "worst economy in history”)

Millions more people without health insurance

Millions more collecting unemployment from the government

Millions of people’s retirement saving WIPED OUT

Homes worth half what people paid for them

Major decline of respect for US in the world

Continued terrorist attacks on US soil (Anthrax? Snipers?)

Stagnant wages in the midst of inflation in the prices of fuel, food, education and health care resulting in a NET LOSS in the standard of living of the vast majority in this country

Largest gap between rich and poor in this country since the beginning of the Great Depression

It is not George W. Bush's fault and it is not his failure. The fault for the state of this country rests firmly on the POLICIES not the PERSONALITY of GEORGE W BUSH! It is conservative, trickle down, “let business regulate itself” policies that got us where we are.

If we don't acknowledge that then we will repeat this experiment again in the next election. It is important for people to know what they are going to get when they vote for conservatives.

If you make 250,000 a year or more and you want to shut the door to prosperity behind you so you don't need to share your loot then you should vote republican.

But if you are trying to get there, and want policies that help that happen, like a good education and healthcare alternatives so you don't get trapped in a job you hate…even though you have a great idea for a business...then you need to vote for New Deal Liberalism.

New Deal Liberalism is social spending to help you succeed and government regulation to keep powerful corporate interests from rolling right over you and crushing your hopes to line their own pockets the way they did to millions of others in the last 8 years.

Nonsense. Who wrote this, Bozo?