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A Rite of Passage?

Why Is This Idea Important?: Because the Constitution trumps it all. It's in plain ENGLISH.

Over the last several months, Barrack Obama’s origin of birth has come under much scrutiny due discrepancies concerning the authenticity of his birth certificate. Israel Insider and expert analyst working under the pseudonym Techdude (The individual has chosen to work under a pseudonym now due to threats since his findings – including the vandalizing of his car and the hanging of a mutilated rabbit on his front door. His report includes 20 pages with 3000 words and detailed magnifications of the forgery) have concluded that the birth certificate produced is a fraud of one that actually belongs to his sister, Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

So what’s the big deal? According to the constitution of the United States, under Article II, Section 1, no person except a natural born citizen can be eligible to the office of president.

So this birth certificate thing is pretty important. You’re telling me….

My wife and I are currently in the draining process of assisting her English parents in their emigration to the great state of Texas for their retirement years. It has been a nightmare. Her parents are in their 70’s and have no criminal record. Her father was honorably discharged from the Royal Marines. He worked for the American company Brown and Root for many years and is now employed with Canon. Her mother has served as a nurse and retired recently. Their daughter and I have been married for 24 years and they have traveled back and forth to the states both on business and family time. Their visas were always in order.

It would seem to be an open and shut case for emigrating. Not.

The requirements have been phenomenal. We have had to file a massive amount of paperwork in triplicate (and in some cases, even more) and multiple expensive fees. Additionally, because my father in law militarily served in Singapore for a stint, he had to produce a police report from Singapore stating that he had no prior criminal record there.

Then came all of our paperwork as their ‘sponsors’. This included several certified copies of marriage and birth certificates.

That’s right – birth certificates. And they had to be genuine or otherwise you would risk losing any chance of the whole process. The whole application would be canned if you offered anything remotely suspicious or especially fraudulent.

As I was discussing the issue of Obama’s questionable birth certificate with my wife Natalie, she brought up how our family has been through the legal ringer trying to get a couple of senior citizens who have spent their lives obeying the law, positively contributing to society, who want to bring their retirement funds, and live their last days here in America.

And all that’s required to be president of the United States of America is to produce a certified legal birth certificate (NOT A COPY OR SHORT FORM - neither were acceptable for fur us to use!) that one is indeed a citizen.

If we have to do it, so do you Mr. Obama. All you have to do to quell the nay-sayers is produce the goods. It’s time to ante up – or is that too much to ask from a genuine presidential candidate / elected?

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  1. We as Americans value our Constitution. We all have to follow rules when going through marriage, births, school, jobs,etc. We are required to show proof who we are. Please as a "leader" won't you do the same. It has been proven that the copies submitted to the state of Hawaii are complete frauds. Go to Philip Berg's (Esquire) website. He has 2 cases pending . Another delay from the courts till September 09. There is a link there on the left side COLB Facts. Just read it and draw your own conclusion. As a concerned American natural born citizen it is important to pass information along to fellow Americans.God Bless America.

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    2. Obama is NOT eligible regardless...

      here is why;

      http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4979-4049

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    3. Surely at least one of these discussions is ok for you "Flaggers" to see here? Or is every one spam?

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    4. What is the obamessiah afraid of? Maybe that Kenya is not the "57th" state

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    5. I am not yet convinced Obama is an illegal president, although I am also not sure he is Constitutionally qualified to be president.

      But, rather than arguing this point I ask the following.

      Even if we get clear proof Obama is not qualified to be president, what can we do? Obama controls the military and the rest of federal law enforcement agents.

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    6. What passport did UHBAMA use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ? How did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later??? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over UHbama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

      Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

      A: Yes, by his own admission.

      Q: What passport did he travel

      under?

      A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

      Q: Is it possible that UHbama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

      A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

      Conclusion: When UHbama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

      If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he

      relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967..

      Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

      Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

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  2. everyone in the know is not falling for the snopes, or factcheck.org . It is so obvious, the facts are not correct on numerous issues. I realize it is hard to discern truth from fiction, after all look how the "president "has "CHANGED" his stances on a vast plethora of issues.All in all, we the American people are not stupid.

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  3. We want good people with good ideas. An idea to help make this country stronger I and others could support or debate it merits or not,and that is what this site is for. Even with the argument that your request has merit on this site. It certainly does not justify the manipulation of the principle of this site. Within minutes a coordinated effort to reapeatably post the same idea that is what is pathetic. It is an attack on everyone who comes here to participate.

    A repetative posting of the same idea is a corrupt abuse of this site and the group forging ahead with this. The request you wish the president to answer does not belong on this site. And you and all the others who have posted this request as an idea know it.

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  4. With everything going digitial what would be acceptable since paper documents will eventually be a outdated as hieroglyphics and clay tablets?

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  5. With everything going digitial what would be acceptable since paper documents will eventually be a outdated as hieroglyphics and clay tablets?

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  6. His birth certificate is but one of many records requiring release to the public, however he keep making that more and more difficult. Have you heard about HR985, the bill that has been sneaking it's way through with no public awarness? Go to www.congress.org and read this bill which will make it even more difficult, if not impossible to force public officals to reveal personal records.

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  7. It is now time to show the birth certificate. What is the problem in showing the true birth certificate that every American who is born in the United States gets. No more side stepping the issue, show the birth certificate!

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    1. Obama is NOT eligible regardless...

      here is why;

      http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4979-4049

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    2. The obama deception:

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    3. The Birth Certificate does not matter. No matter where he was born, only his mother was a citizen. Two citizen parents are required along with birth ON U.S. soil, to confer Natural Born Status.

      If the usurper was born in Hawaii he would only be a native born citizen which does not meet the Constitutional requisit to be president.

      If he was born in Kenya his mother was not old enough to confer citizenship to him and he would not be a citizen unless he was naturalized; still not sufficient to meet the Constitutional requisit.

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    4. What can you do for me obama?

      Well its a very personal and very important thing.

      Are you ready obama?

      Just wanna make sure your ready brother.

      Here it is.

      SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

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    5. abc

      If there is no problem meeting the Constitutional requirement...then just show the long-form birth certificate and get this issue closed.

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    6. They do not want to hear this issue that is the most important issue for a president to be qualified.Where is the long certificate ? This website is censoring this question.Read this in this link./

      http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100035

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    7. I am not yet convinced Obama is an illegal president, although I am also not sure he is Constitutionally qualified to be president.

      But, rather than arguing this point I ask the following.

      Even if we get clear proof Obama is not qualified to be president, what can we do? Obama controls the military and the rest of federal law enforcement agents.

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    8. why is he paying so much money to seal his records?!? Hello??

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  8. How many reasons can there be for NOT showing the birth certificate? One - he doesn't have one. More than that, Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to prevent having to show the birth certificate. As soon as he spent the first dollar, he was guilty of hiding the truth. It's time to show the certificate. If nothing else, this question needs to be put to rest.

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  9. There appears a concerted effort to vote down single payer. conservatives have invaded this web site and have registered on jun 1 and voted single payer actions listed on this web site. they appear organized. It does not appear enough that they have killed a doctor, now they want to kill single payer too. Also they have come and created bogus efforts to question the citizenship of our legitimately elected President.

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  10. TheObamaFile.com

    The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com

    for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials

    This informative site presents the most historically accurate, legally correct and genuinely unbiased credible explanation of the eligibility issue I have found, following several months of studious searching for accurate clarification, of what I now regretfully regard as an illegal usurpation of the office of the President of the United States of America.

    Obviously calling onto question the constitutional eligibility of a sitting president is a serious matter, however our president is not above the rule of law. The Constitution is our greatest protection from abusive government. Throughout the history of mankind, political power has frequently been seized irrespective of the will of the governed, often violently. Perhaps owing to our imperfect nature, totalitarianism has more often been the rule, rather than the exception.

    Our Constitution as first envisioned and ultimately realized by the benefits of both pen and sword, was founded as a heart felt invention of necessity by men so deathly tired of oppression, that they determined despite any cost, to establish our Constitutional Republic. With the Constitution, our Founding Father's planted a seed in soil richly nourished in blood, that with similar courage United States citizens might forever more be able to exercise their God given inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in at least one free and just nation upon the face of the earth.

    Respectfully, a Vet.

    The Constitution still matters,

    but only for as long as 'we the people', by continuing to support and defend it, say so!

    The Constitution will protect the citizens for as long as the citizens protect the Constitution.

    Please consider the following:

    http://www.theobamafile.com

    Especially this particular TheObamaFile.com page:

    http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

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  11. web

    Most people accept his certificate of live birth, listing his birth location as Honolulu, as proof that he IS legally qualified to be president. If you believe that document to be false then the burden is on YOU to proof such.

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  12. He can't produce a 'long form vault Hawaiian birth certificate' because he doesn't have one! He has a CoLB, or Certificate of Live Birth, which is not the same thing as a BC and proves nothing except that he was born alive, somewhere. This is because as a new state at the time, Hawaii often issued a CoLB even to foreign born children who were allowed to be brought to Hawaii and registered with the state, provided at least one parent was a legal resident of Hawaii. Even if he did have a real BC, it wouldn't matter since he can not be a 'natural born' citizen unless both his parents are also US citizens. His father is Kenyan. Oh, the webs we weave. The missing BC is really just an expedient way to demonstrate he lied about posting his BC, which one might expect from an illegal usurper!

    TheObamaFile.com

    The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com

    for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials

    This informative site presents the most historically accurate, legally correct and genuinely unbiased credible explanation of the eligibility issue I have found, following several months of studious searching for accurate clarification, of what I now regretfully regard as an illegal usurpation of the office of the President of the United States of America.

    Obviously calling onto question the constitutional eligibility of a sitting president is a serious matter, however our president is not above the rule of law. The Constitution is our greatest protection from abusive government. Throughout the history of mankind, political power has frequently been seized irrespective of the will of the governed, often violently. Perhaps owing to our imperfect nature, totalitarianism has more often been the rule, rather than the exception.

    Our Constitution as first envisioned and ultimately realized by the benefits of both pen and sword, was founded as a heart felt invention of necessity by men so deathly tired of oppression, that they determined despite any cost, to establish our Constitutional Republic. With the Constitution, our Founding Father's planted a seed in soil richly nourished in blood, that with similar courage United States citizens might forever more be able to exercise their God given inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in at least one free and just nation upon the face of the earth.

    Respectfully, a Vet.

    The Constitution still matters,

    but only for as long as 'we the people', by continuing to support and defend it, say so!

    The Constitution will protect the citizens for as long as the citizens protect the Constitution.

    Please consider the following:

    http://www.theobamafile.com

    Especially this particular TheObamaFile.com page:

    http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

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  13. Fellow citizens, ask your congressman and Senators to ask Mr. Obama for permission to view the birth documents on file in Hawaii (along with an independent documents expert). If there is a legitimate birth document on file there, then Mr. Obama should be happy to provide the necessary permission (in order to settle the matter once and for all). If Mr. Obama does not permit such an inspection, it is because he is a FRAUD.

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  14. Fellow citizens, ask your congressman and Senators to ask Mr. Obama for permission to view the birth documents on file in Hawaii (along with an independent documents expert). If there is a legitimate birth document on file there, then Mr. Obama should be happy to provide the necessary permission (in order to settle the matter once and for all). If Mr. Obama does not permit such an inspection, it is because he is a FRAUD.

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  15. Fellow citizens, ask your congressman and Senators to ask Mr. Obama for permission to view the birth documents on file in Hawaii (along with an independent documents expert). If there is a legitimate birth document on file there, then Mr. Obama should be happy to provide the necessary permission (in order to settle the matter once and for all). If Mr. Obama does not permit such an inspection, it is because he is a FRAUD.

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  16. Fellow citizens, ask your congressman and Senators to ask Mr. Obama for permission to view the birth documents on file in Hawaii (along with an independent documents expert). If there is a legitimate birth document on file there, then Mr. Obama should be happy to provide the necessary permission (in order to settle the matter once and for all). If Mr. Obama does not permit such an inspection, it is because he is a FRAUD.

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  17. Fellow citizens, ask your congressman and Senators to ask Mr. Obama for permission to view the birth documents on file in Hawaii (along with an independent documents expert). If there is a legitimate birth document on file there, then Mr. Obama should be happy to provide the necessary permission (in order to settle the matter once and for all). If Mr. Obama does not permit such an inspection, it is because he is a FRAUD.

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  18. The "Certificate of Live Birth" you provided does not list the hospital where you were born, nor does it show the signature of the doctor that delivered you.

    This type of certificate was commonly issued to children born outside of our country. Furthermore, it is obvious that the certificate you provided was printed using modern printing technology that was unavailable the year you were born.

    Why are you going to such great lengths to withhold this information? For that matter, why have you blocked the release of your college records? This is not what I would call open government. It makes us wonder what you are trying to hide.

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    1. Obama is NOT eligible regardless...

      here is why;

      http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4979-4049

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    2. The obama deception:

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    3. What 0bama needs to do to prove he is eligible:

      1) Release the long form, vault copy of his birth certificate.

      2) Release all college records to the public.

      3) Show he has never been a citizen of Indonesia - as school records there show.

      4) Tell us what passport he used to travel to Pakistan in the early 80's - when travel to Pakistan (or Pokeestan according to Zero) was restricted for US citizens.

      Until then I will believe he is an usurper who needs to be removed from office and tried for his crimes against the country.

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  19. njn

    I believe Obama should be required by "someone" to release his birth certificate, medical records, and college information.

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    1. We need no other reason than that he works for us and we demand it!

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    2. The Obama supporters in Congress are already working behind the scenes. They have a bill in process which would help aide Obame in redefining Natural Born Citizen, in the eye of the general public, from its historical constitutional meaning to something more suited to their needs with Obama. See HR 1868 at this link:

      http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

      They also have another bill in process to repeal the term limits 22nd amendment in our Constitution so Obama can run more than twice. This is the same thing that Hugo Chavez recently did in Venezuela by changing their Constitution to repeal term limits.

      Obama and his far-left, socialist minions are a real danger to our liberty and Constitution. He has totally ignored Article II of the Constitution with obfuscations and phony digital images of questional documents. He is making a mockery of our rule of law and our Constitutional Republic. And the enabling Main Stream Media (MSM) has allowed him to do this. There is major trouble ahead for our country if the people do not demand and get an investigation of the true identity of Obama by full Congressional hearings with full subpoena powers by both the majority and minority members of the investigating Congressional committee. We need this hearing before it is too late. Look who Obama is consulting with today as to our national interest, not people in the USA but the King of Saudi Arabia to who he bowed to on the last visit and from whom he has obtained much financing in his political career over time. He is clearly influenced by foreigners and of which John Jay warned George Washington about. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, as his father was not a Citizen nor was his father even an immigrant to the USA!

      http://www.thebirthers.org

      RJ

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  20. Fellow citizens, ask your congressman and Senators to ask Mr. Obama for permission to view the birth documents on file in Hawaii (along with an independent documents expert). If there is a legitimate birth document on file there, then Mr. Obama should be happy to provide the necessary permission (in order to settle the matter once and for all). If Mr. Obama does not permit such an inspection, it is because he is a FRAUD.

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  21. Fellow citizens, ask your congressman and Senators to ask Mr. Obama for permission to view the birth documents on file in Hawaii (along with an independent documents expert). If there is a legitimate birth document on file there, then Mr. Obama should be happy to provide the necessary permission (in order to settle the matter once and for all). If Mr. Obama does not permit such an inspection, it is because he is a FRAUD.

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  22. Obama and Gibbs have now both publicly stated that Obama has already released and posted his BC on the Internet, so why won't Obama grant Hawaii permission to release it as well? Trust but verify!

    Obama can't produce a 'long form vault Hawaiian birth certificate' because he doesn't have one! He has a CoLB, or 'Certificate of Live Birth', which is not the same thing as a BC and proves nothing except that he was born alive, somewhere. This is because as a new state at the time, Hawaii often issued a CoLB even to foreign born children who were allowed to be brought to Hawaii and registered with the state, provided at least one parent was a legal resident of Hawaii. Even if he did have a real BC, it wouldn't matter since he can not be a 'natural born' citizen unless both his parents are also US citizens. His father is Kenyan.

    In fact as the son of a colonial subject of Great Britain, by law British citizenship was conferred upon Obama at birth, irrespective of where he was born. Obama also became a citizen of Indonesia as the legally adapted son of Lolo Soetoro, where he attended a Muslim school strictly limited to only Indonesian citizens. So given the numerous disqualifying eligibility issues, the missing BC is really just an expedient way to demonstrate Obama suspiciously lied about posting his BC when instead he posted an allegedly graphically altered CoLB, which one might expect from an illegal usurper!

    TheObamaFile.com

    The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com

    for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials

    This informative site presents the most historically accurate, legally correct and genuinely unbiased credible explanation of the eligibility issue I have found, following several months of studious searching for accurate clarification, of what I now regretfully regard as an illegal usurpation of the office of the President of the United States of America.

    Obviously calling onto question the constitutional eligibility of a sitting president is a serious matter, however our president is not above the rule of law. The Constitution is our greatest protection from abusive government. Throughout the history of mankind, political power has frequently been seized irrespective of the will of the governed, often violently. Perhaps owing to our imperfect nature, totalitarianism has more often been the rule, rather than the exception.

    Our Constitution as first envisioned and ultimately realized by the benefits of both pen and sword, was founded as a heart felt invention of necessity by men so deathly tired of oppression, that they determined despite any cost, to establish our Constitutional Republic. With the Constitution, our Founding Father's planted a seed in soil richly nourished in blood, that with similar courage United States citizens might forever more be able to exercise their God given inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in at least one free and just nation upon the face of the earth.

    Respectfully, a Vet.

    The Constitution still matters,

    but only for as long as 'we the people', by continuing to support and defend it, say so!

    The Constitution will protect the citizens for as long as the citizens protect the Constitution.

    Please consider the following:

    http://www.theobamafile.com

    Especially this particular TheObamaFile.com page:

    http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

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  23. Obama cannot be trusted. He and his democratic cronies are making horrible decisions that are leading our Beloved United States of America down a road to ruin. Nothing that comes out of his mouth is true, along with his Constitutional Terrorist allies, Pelosi, Reed, Dodd, Frank, and all the other Pathetic politicians. I would give anything to see them all fall face down and Fail miserably. America does not need them, and hopefully the ones voting them in will see their mistakes and correct them before it's too late.

    Obama will be the first half white/half black man to fail miserably as President.

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  24. I too would dearly love to see the long form birth certificate for the man who would be king. Our government is supposed to be ruled by laws not by some sort of semi-divine decree. If you want to be believed in the large areas Mr. President, then come clean in the small areas.

    Either you are eligible to be president because you were truly born in this country or you are not. How long can the emperor stand naked before us? Is proof of citizenship one of the constitutional flaws that you referred to in a past speech?

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    1. Obama is NOT eligible regardless...

      here is why;

      http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4979-4049

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  25. I also would love to see his long form Birth Cert, plus his college entry file, to see "on whos dime he attended college, and yes his passporth when he was traveling the world".

    Why would a man hide all these items, unless he had something to hide....

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  26. I would like to see his long form birth certificate also - immediately!

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  27. you wanted to see his birth certificate? Here it is:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

    I found it in 5 seconds. Stop listening to the lying right wing hate mongers.

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  28. LOL karidrgn! An A for response time; an F for results.

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  29. At the moment we have no president. Until Obama will show his true birth certificate, proving he is constitutionally allowed to be President, we the people will not call him president.

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    1. Release it all:

      1. Occidental College records -- Not released

      2. Columbia College records -- Not released

      3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available"

      4. Harvard College records -- Not released

      5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released

      6. Medical records -- Not released

      7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available

      8. Your Illinois State Senate records -- Not available

      9. Law practice client list -- Not released

      10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released

      11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released

      12. Record of your baptism -- Not available

      Write your congresspeople and senators!

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    2. There's no need to release these documents.

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    3. Obama is NOT eligible regardless...

      here is why;

      http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4979-4049

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    4. The obama deception:

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    5. What passport did UHBAMA use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ? How did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later??? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over UHbama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

      Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

      A: Yes, by his own admission.

      Q: What passport did he travel

      under?

      A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

      Q: Is it possible that UHbama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

      A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

      Conclusion: When UHbama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

      If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he

      relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967..

      Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

      Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

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  30. You are forgetting about those who came in to get a look at a the birth cert posts and stayed to poke holes in the rest of the poie in the sky socialist pipe dreams.

    For instance, I used to have some sympathy for the "marijuana legalization" crowd. Now that I have read what they have to say on other issues, I think smoking that stuff my cause brain damage after all.

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  31. Google is easy!

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

    Origins: In the first half of 2008, a number of rumors swirling around about presidential candidate Barack Obama coalesced in the claim that he "refused to produce his birth records" because doing so would demonstrate some or all of those rumors to be true: that Barack Obama was "not African, " that he was a Muslim with a middle name of Mohammed, that he wasn’t born in the United States at all (and thus didn’t qualify as a native-born citizen), etc.

    In any event the rumormongers were likely to be disappointed. Information about religion and race, when it was collected for birth records, simply reflected

    whatever the parents identified themselves to be; those values weren’t officially assigned to the newborn children as immutable labels. And of course, no infant

    has any control over whatever names his parents choose for him.

    As things turned out, when the Obama campaign made a copy of his Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii available on the Internet in June 2008, it validated none of those rumors: The certificate shows his full name to be "Barack Hussein Obama II, " it lists his father’s race as "African" and his mother’s as "Caucasian, " it contains no information about religion, and it reports his birthplace as being Honolulu, Hawaii.

    A number of self-proclaimed experts immediately seized the opportunity to pronounce the certificate a forgery (even though none of them had actually seen the original, just a scanned image of it), picking on such specious details as minor variations from other Hawaii-issued certificates and the lack of an embossed seal

    and signature. (Some forgery claimants even maintained that the certificate was actually an altered version of one issued to Barack Obama’s half-sister, Maya.)

    Aside from the inherent absurdity of such claims (i.e., that a major party presidential nominee would risk his entire candidacy on a fraud that could be uncovered simply by a check of state health records), the supposedly incriminating details don’t pan out: the certificate is consistent with others issued in the same time and place, and the embossed seal and signature don’t show through very well on the scanned front image made available on the Internet because they were applied to the back of the original document, not the front. Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth.

    Moreover, both of Honolulu’s major newspapers (the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" on 4 August 1961:

    In August 2008, Philadelphia attorney Philip Berg included claims of a forged certificate (among other rumors) as the basis for a suit in U.S. District Court challenging Barack Obama’s eligibility for the presidency on the grounds that Obama was actually born in Kenya (not Hawaii) and/or subsequently gave up his U.S. citizenship and thus does not qualify as a native-born citizen of the U.S. In October 2008 a federal judge dismissed the complaint:

    In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg’s allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.

    Surrick ruled that Berg’s attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

    The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg’s arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."

    (A similar lawsuit was dismissed by a U.S. District Court judge in March 2009.)

    Also in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama’s original birth certificate:

    State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino says she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

    Fukino says that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently from any other.

    She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest in it.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

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  32. Where is the "transparency" whoever this man is, promised?

    Is it Barry Soetero? Barack Hussein Obama or maybe Mickey Mouse?

    Where is the Constitutional proof? How does one take an oath to uphold a document he refuses to comply with himself? Until then we have no President, only a usurper.

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  33. AMEN!!! Brazil.

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  34. Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the state's registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, say they checked health department records and have determined there's no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.

    The nonpartisan Web site Factcheck.org examined the original document and said it does have a raised seal and the usual evidence of a genuine document.

    Hawaii Declares Obama Birth Certificate Genuine

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/10/31/20081031obama-birth1031-ON.html

    Even Republicans Defend Obama

    A scan of the Honolulu Advertiser from August 1961 is shown as well, this lists Obama's birth right there. Copies are available in HI Libraries locally.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/12/obama-is-an-american-no-really/

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  35. Pick a post on this site and all of you click "Looks Promising" thus sending it to the top as an issue. Everyone going post after post won't bring the issue to the top.

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  36. The Constitution matters! BO needs to prove he is natural born. This administration no longer cares about the Constitution, they mock at people who still believe in this. Come on Obama, open up the records and show us who you really are.

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  37. An essay on the Birth Certificate issue:

    Why Can't Obama Give a Simple and Truthful Answer to the Birth Certificate Question?

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/05/why-cant-obama-give-simple-and-truthful.html

    RJ

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  38. Watching the campaign for president it is clear that this birth certificate spoof is an underground smear attempt. Looking back through the generations for some constitutional fragment that somehow will discredit the president, Republicans sure are jealous, they have nothing what so ever to offer but the hole they dig themselves, instead of seriously attending to true issues of governance. In the end all this pathetic slander that spilled out on this site today will only alienate the supposed benefactors of this gross attack. This site is available for the world to see. It is the partners of America; it is America’s allies that will see this attack for what it is. A feeble attack against the President, an attack against a President that brought the ability of open governance and respect for all humanity to the world stage like no other leader before. The 21st century needed to leave disgraceful behaviour in problem solving behind and start behaving like the future generations of citizen’s matter. Today the single phrase wrapped in slander and disrespect demonstrates that the right choice was made on Election Day.

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  39. Mike Florida- read that AZ Republic article again- Hawaii said they have his birth certificate; they did NOT say it shows he was born in Hawaii. Further, they did not verify that the "Certification of Live Birth" posted on the internet was a valid document.

    About the newspaper notice of birth- the people who lived at that address said no one named Obama ever lived there.

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  40. The Snopes article has no relevance because Snopes never asserts that lil barry hussein is a Natural Born Citizen. Snopes uses the term Native Born.

    The tech manager of this website, Micah Sifry called the voters "conspiracy nuts who think the President isn't legitimately a U.S. citizen". Sifry, you are a NUT who cannot comprehend the difference between Natural Born, Native Born, and citizen. Of the three distinctive terms, The Constitution requires NATURAL BORN.

    The criteria to define Natural Born Citizen must be that which was clearly understood by the Founders at the time The Constitution was written and adopted. This can be found in "The Law of Nations" a book very popular amoungst the Founders.

    Natural Born Citizen

    Simply put, being a natural born citizen requires you to be born within the country of two citizen parents.

    The relevant historical definition comes from “The Law of Nations”, section 212, Citizens and natives.

    "The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

    You may find this document at http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel.htm

    John Jay used this in his writing during the Constitutional congress. Justice Scalia used this same document in the recent D.C. v Heller (2008) case in which private ownership of guns was found a constitutional right.

    During the framing of the 14th Amendment the same definition was reached during arguments. Note the amendment does not confer natural born citizenship.

    The usurper admits his father was never a citizen, he cannot qualify as NATURAL BORN, even if he proves his dubious citizenship.

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  41. The president needs to show his real birth certificate. Not the one posted on line, but the real one. There is no reason why he should resist this action. An honest man has nothing to hide. Mr. Obama, are you an honest man?

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    1. Release it all:

      1. Occidental College records -- Not released

      2. Columbia College records -- Not released

      3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available"

      4. Harvard College records -- Not released

      5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released

      6. Medical records -- Not released

      7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available

      8. Your Illinois State Senate records -- Not available

      9. Law practice client list -- Not released

      10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released

      11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released

      12. Record of your baptism -- Not available

      Write your congresspeople and senators!

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  42. Watching the campaign for president it is clear that this birth certificate spoof is an underground smear attempt. Looking back through the generations for some constitutional fragment that somehow will discredit the president, Republicans sure are jealous, they have nothing what so ever to offer but the hole they dig themselves, instead of seriously attending to true issues of governance. In the end all this pathetic slander that spilled out on this site today will only alienate the supposed benefactors of this gross attack. This site is available for the world to see. It is the partners of America; it is America’s allies that will see this attack for what it is. A feeble attack against the President, an attack against a President that brought the ability of open governance and respect for all humanity to the world stage like no other leader before. The 21st century needed to leave disgraceful behaviour in problem solving behind and start behaving like the future generations of citizen’s matter. Today the single phrase wrapped in slander and disrespect demonstrates that the right choice was made on Election Day.

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  43. By virtue of his father, Obama II is not a natural born citizen as per Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution. If he believes in upholding the Constitution, he should resign.

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  44. Watching the campaign for president it is clear that this birth certificate spoof is an underground smear attempt. Looking back through the generations for some constitutional fragment that somehow will discredit the president, Republicans sure are jealous, they have nothing what so ever to offer but the hole they dig themselves, instead of seriously attending to true issues of governance. In the end all this pathetic slander that spilled out on this site today will only alienate the supposed benefactors of this gross attack. This site is available for the world to see. It is the partners of America; it is America’s allies that will see this attack for what it is. A feeble attack against the President, an attack against a President that brought the ability of open governance and respect for all humanity to the world stage like no other leader before. The 21st century needed to leave disgraceful behaviour in problem solving behind and start behaving like the future generations of citizen’s matter. Today the single phrase wrapped in slander and disrespect demonstrates that the right choice was made on Election Day.

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  45. You forget his mother was an American Citizen so he is automatically one upon his birth, just as McCain was even though he was born in Panama.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23841816/

    "Based on the original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers’ intentions, and subsequent legal and historical precedent, Senator McCain’s birth to parents who were U.S. citizens, serving on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a ’natural born citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution,” the review found."

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  46. My thoughts exactly which is why I started http://obamapassport.com

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  47. karidrgn, That is not his long form birth certificate, and the one you point out has been proven to be a phony. The long form includes the hospital of birth and the delivering doctor. I see neither of those on the form you point out.

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  48. Obama's mother was American born but his father was not. Don't know where Obama was born but his qaulifications to be President isn't as important as the issue of him ignoring our Constitution and starting a new war in Pakistan. Also refusing to release the Gitmo prisoners who have no lawyer or a trial. Even if it is in Cuba we are paying and doing it.

    If we abuse in other countries and pay for it...we are to blame.

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  49. Obama Bots have the photoshop copy. Everybody else has the US Constitution. Gameover

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  50. karidrgn- come on, let's discuss it honestly. Did you read the comment by "nemesispaladin" above, which fully explains what "natural born" requires. You quote MSNBC about McCain but try to drive right over the word "PARENTS"- as in plural. Obama's father was Kenyan British and his own website said British law controlled Obama Sr's children. Allegiance to a foreign nation prevents his being a US natural born citizen, not to mention that he was adopted as an Indonesian by his step-father, which ruled out US citizenship if he ever had it.

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  51. Regarding John McCain's birth certificate not having footprints, I don't know how things are done on military bases; however, I do know how it is done in hospitals in America, where Obama claims to have been born. Before the baby is separated from its mother, in the delivery or birthing room, the baby is footprinted and the mother is thumb printed. I watched it done with my son's delivery in Sep of 1961, same year as Obama would have had it done, before he was taken off to the nursery. I watched that same son watch in the birthing room in April 2002 as his little daughter's footprints were taken along with all the other tests before she was returned to her little bassinet next to her mom's bed. If Obama has that birth record, showing his footprints and his mom's thumb print, on the document issued by the hospital in Kapiolani, just show us the damn thing and we will go away. OK?

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  52. Gee Art, if you put it that way we'll just all give up on having a president who meets the constitutional requirements and go hang out in your Mom's basemant.

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  53. President Obama rightly campaiged for openness and transparency in government and politics, shouting we need change from the rooftops.

    He stated that he would be different from the Bush Republicans who were honest and open.

    Since then he has spent hundreds of thousands of public donations to avoid showing his long form birth certificate to the people of the USA.

    Until he shows his Long Form Birth certificate he is a Liar and a fraud.

    hence the growing public agitation over the issue.

    Its a matter of integrity and honestly over hypocrisy.

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  54. Who gives a shit about a birth certificate- we all know Bush was from TX, he was such a dumbass we didn't need his birth certificate. Do you really think, even in your little redneck pea sized brains, for one instant that there is any possibility that Obama isn't American? Are you just that much of a fucking bigot that you can't believe a black man could have made it into the White House without some major conspiracy? And who is the mastermind behind a conspiracy that wouldn't fact check and at least find a sympathetic natural born citizen to front their "shadow government"? Why wouldn't they have gotten some white guy who looks a whole lot less suspicious- with a name like... hmmm... jeff or chuck or squidmaz- with sympathies for whatever conspiracy that you nuts are trying to claim is going on... Why wouldn't they opt for the less suspicious route? You know, a route that the klan wouldn't try to "poke holes in"? No, instead they decided to use a black dude with the middle name "Hussein"... just shut up already with this ridiculous nonsense.

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  55. Every American Taxpayer has a right to see the long form birth certificate of all presidential candidates.

    President Obama rightly campaiged for openness and transparency in government and politics, shouting we need change from the rooftops.

    He stated that he would be different from the Bush Republicans who were honest and open.

    Since then he has spent hundreds of thousands of public donations to avoid showing his long form birth certificate to the people of the USA.

    Until he shows his Long Form Birth certificate he comes across as a Liar and a fraud, hence the growing public agitation over the issue.

    Its a matter of integrity and honestly over hypocrisy.

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  56. Every American Taxpayer has a right to see the long form birth certificate of all presidential candidates.

    President Obama rightly campaigned for openness and transparency in government and politics, shouting we need change from the rooftops.

    He stated that he would be different from the Bush Republicans who were honest and open.

    Since then he has spent hundreds of thousands of public donations to avoid showing his long form birth certificate to the people of the USA.

    Until he shows his Long Form Birth certificate he comes across as a Liar and a fraud, hence the growing public agitation over the issue.

    Its a matter of integrity and honestly over hypocrisy.

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  57. Every American Taxpayer has a right to see the long form birth certificate of all presidential candidates.

    President Obama rightly campaigned for openness and transparency in government and politics, shouting we need change from the rooftops.

    He stated that he would be different from the Bush Republicans who he alleged were not honest and open.

    Since then he has spent hundreds of thousands of public donations to avoid showing his long form birth certificate to the people of the USA.

    Until he shows his Long Form Birth certificate he comes across as a Liar and a fraud, hence the growing public agitation over the issue.

    Its a matter of integrity and honestly over hypocrisy.

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  58. Every American Taxpayer has a right to see the long form birth certificate of all presidential candidates.

    President Obama rightly campaigned for openness and transparency in government and politics, shouting we need change from the rooftops.

    He stated that he would be different from the Bush Republicans who he alleged were not honest and open.

    Since then he has spent hundreds of thousands of public donations to avoid showing his long form birth certificate to the people of the USA.

    Until he shows his Long Form Birth certificate he comes across as a Liar and a fraud, hence the growing public agitation over the issue.

    Its a matter of integrity and honestly over hypocrisy.

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  59. Search the net and you will find it. Oh right, you wouldn't believe it even if you were permitted to peruse the hospital records in person cause they could be faked.

    Admit it, no matter the evidence, you will not believe it. Just like those who deny the holocaust, moon landings and evolution.

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  60. abc

    The US Constitution matters! It is the foundation of the Republic...show the American people the long-form birth certificate (and college records) or resign so this Country can get on with business!

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  61. What Obama posted on the web is a "Certificate of Live Birth" which IS NOT a "Certified Birth Certificate". Try traveling outside the country with what Obama posted ... it won't work. Anyone can get a certificate of live birth in any state in the country.

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  62. flagged as spam - already done. Keep on crying conservatives - the good guys one. You're the minority for a reason - as Jon Stewart said "It's supposed to taste like a s*** taco".

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  63. What makes you think that every American has the right to see a so-called long form birth certificate? What makes you think Hawaii has such a thing, anyway?

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  64. The U.S. constitution specifies that only a natural born citizen can be president and lays out the broad qualifications for this. Incredibly, Obama has yet to provide valid documentation establishing these qualifications and has even spent millions of dollars in legal fees to block all efforts to compel him to do so. This is very ominous. Please study this document and decide if we have a qualified president in office, who will uphold the consititution that he "swore" to on Lincoln's own bible: http://colony14.net/id41.html

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    1. Obama is NOT eligible regardless...

      here is why;

      http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4979-4049

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  65. There is no doubt that the US Constitution is clear as to who can serve as US President.

    Unless Obama wants to have this issue hang over his head for the next 4 years, he should immediately show proof of his US Citizenship (I for one am a bit skeptical that he can do this given the millions he has spent on trying to seal his records).

    Mr. President -- get rid of this speculation and simply show proof !!

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  66. C,mon all you believers out there. If any of you understand the manifestations of the spirit you must know whats going on here. This is a spiritual battle. Obama obviously has at the minumim a strong lying spirit lodged in his mind.

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  67. Until I see a hard copy of the birth certificate with hospital and delivery doctor I consider Barack Obama a usurper and ineligible for the office of POTUS. Spending 1 million dollars to suppress the information assures me that B.O. is hiding the truth. Prove me wrong and show the damn certificate.

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  68. Just one more naturalized citizen who wants to see proof

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  69. Obama has no problem releasing clasified CIA documents which makes our nation less safe but he spends $1M to protect his birth certificate. Anyone that would spend that much money has something to hide. BO is not my Commander & Chief until I see his long form BC.

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  70. The American people need to see the long form birth certificate, plain and simple. The constituition reads natural born citizen. We all have to produce these documents at various points in life. I also would like to see obama's school records, documents and financial aid paperwork. These are Public Documents - so produce them. Don't bow before anyone & Don't ever apologize for this great country. I am justifiable, very proud of this country - have been ALL of my life

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  71. This should be a no brainer. Produce the birth certificate or be impeached.

    The rules are the rules and no person is above the Constitution.

    Considering the above all in Legislative Branch, Executive Branch, and Judicial Branch, except Ron Paul and Dennic Kursenich, should be impeached.

    Get rid of the Commies and Fascists.

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  72. Obama was hand picked and groomed by an elitist group of very wealthy people to become the President of the United States several years ago. It is the goal of these wealthy elitist to turn the United States into a socialistic country and bring it in line with the Eastern and Europian countries, making all of us one big happy family. Of course these wealthy elitist will own the politicans who will dictate what we can and will do with our lives. In actuality folks, we are just about there. They own both political parties, own the media and control the wealth by owning the Federal Reserve Bank along with the other large banks. Even if it turns out Obama is not a citizen, do you think they will let him be kicked out? Why no, there would be rioting in the streets by most of the black citizens who would see only one thing and that a black man is again being persecuted and they do not want to lose their free lunch ticket. What can us poor people of the good ole USA do to stop this? Sadly, we may be to late to stop it. I was born in 1933, and I am just now waking up from a blind exsistance and now fear for the future of my children and their children. It makes me sick to finally wake up and see how we are all so blindly manipulated.

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    1. To alcajon423: Finally, someone understands and has been paying attention. Thank you for your Wisdom! I only hope that both of us are wrong, as I, too, fear for my children and grandchildren. What kind of a future are we offering them. What is really sad, not only has our Constitution been trampled, but I am afraid you will soon find out that the 8-year restricted term of office will soon be unlimited, and "Big Brother" will be in our living rooms instead of Fox News! GOD HELP US!

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    2. Be not discouraged- there are things you can do right from your computer. Contact your congress members and insist they sign on as co-sponsors of HR1503, which will require proof of citizenship in future elections. Email friends and neighbors about this "Open Government" website and suggest they make comments. Go to the following ones and learn what the Constitution demands of a POTUS candidate: natural born citizen- the meaning.

      http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/barack-hussein-obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/ OR

      federalistblog.us OR

      canadafreepress.com OR

      theobamafile.com AND

      www.worldnetdaily.com

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    3. I have been very active at my computer, to the point that some of my friends must cringe when they see a new email from me. I have made numerous contributions to those attempting to fight the fight and sent blast faxes to our illustrious representatives in Washington, all it seems to no avail. As long as our professional politcians who are looking out for their own interests first, like good ole Chuck, can be bought and paid for we, individually have no chance of making an impact. It is time for the people like us to unite and really make a statement with gigantic tea parties on July the 4th. A revolution may be the only answer. I understand te IRS received 34% less this last April 14th. Do I read something into this like we are "mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore without a fight"? Obama is moving so fast now he is like train wreck about to happen and we may now be powerless to stop him. I just learned that his stimulas package forgot to allowcate funds for the highway department and an additional trillion dollars or so is needed. Oh well, just get the printing presses going again and get further indebted to China. Maybe ACORN will give us back some of their booty, every little bit will help.

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  73. Obama Bin Lyin' IMPEACH NOW!

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  74. It is now evident that a majority of Americans demand the release of Barack Obama's FULL AND COMPLETE immigration, passport, and birth records. NOT the fraudulent photo-shopped computer-generated, incomplete version of the Obama "birth certificate" - the FULL and COMPLETE birth certificate (produced on a typewriter in 1963, not a computer in 2007).

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    1. No it's not. The vast majority of Americans don't give a crap. Only you and your cabal of wingnut spammers are wasting your time with this.

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    2. You do not represent the so called "vast majority" bud. The majority do care, and those who love the country and still voted for the illegal alien are now sorry as they see the country headed for communism. You are either gay or stupid, but it doesn't matter which because both are in the same sad boat.

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  75. Some points of interest concerning our President

    1. He is a manufactured person owned by person or person's with lot's of $$$$

    2. His Birth Certificate will remain hidden forever

    3. Like most politicians from Chicago they are mafia gone legit

    4. He will be impeached if the truth ever comes out

    5. His chief of staff is probably also a sold man.

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  76. If Obama has a genuine birth certificate and was American born, he is still ineligible. He would have committed a crime by falsifying college grants to pay for his school. He obtained grants under the Barry name claiming to be a foreigner.

    What's up with that? We also need his school transcripts under this Barry name.

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  77. Dear Mr. President,

    Let's put this birthplace issue to rest once and for all and shut these conspiracy theorists up. PLEASE JUST PROVIDE TO THE SENATE MINORITY LEADER A VAULT COPY OF YOUR TRUE AND UNDOCTORED BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Not that Photoshopped "Certificate of Live Birth"...that is just too questionable and unofficial for such an important issue. It's easy and very cheap for you to get a true vault copy of your real Birth Certificate from your home town. It's much cheaper than all the hundreds of thousands of dollars you have spend fighting all these challenges on technical grounds and jurisdiction. Just provide an Official Birth Certificate...provide a real one...with the official seal on it...right from Hawaii...like I can get at my town hall for $25 in one hour...and give it to Senator Boehner...DONE. Then all this goes away. If not...WHY NOT?

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  78. flagged - the tin foil hats required to think like this give me skin rashes

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  79. I agree. The birth certificate is no big deal as President Obama is clearly a US citizen. So, simply produce the original, authenticate birth certificate signed by the attending physician or midwife and put all of this to rest. What is the hold up?

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  80. I can't tell if this is serious or not. Regardless.... not flagged. I lol'd

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  81. In an article posted on the web an adpotive father stated that he has a COLB for his daughter, just like Obama's she was born in Korea. You will never get the truth until you get true economic freedom from the fed arm of the world bank. END THE FED AND END THE FRAUD.

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  82. Obama does not have to spend millions of dollars to law firms to keep the American people from seeing his original long form birth certificate - something which should have been done by the Democratic party before the election! It is still not too late or will ever be too late to show his long form birth certificate to prove his American citizenship to meet the eligibility requirements of the Constitution of the United States of America for the position of the Presidency of the United States of America. If you need concrete facts about this issue. But if you are the kind of citizen who accepts opinions and statements blindly and without questions - then you deserve who and what you get to govern this nation. If a majority of American citizen have become robots who respond to a push of the button or to any orders - then the United States of America has become a "Stepford Nation" to do as it is told without any doubt or negative response - which - if that is the case - our country and its sovereignty is at great risk!!! WHAT YOU WANT TO LEAVE FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN to paid for

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    1. Lucikly, Obama doesn't have to release his birth certificate. If there were any truth to rumors about his birth, I'm certain the Republicans would be all over it.

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    2. Barack Obama is a son of a colonial subject of Great Britain, by law British citizenship was conferred upon Obama at birth, irrespective of where he was born. Obama also became a citizen of Indonesia as the legally adapted son of Lolo Soetoro, where he attended a Muslim school strictly limited to only Indonesian citizens.

      As an adult Obama used his Indoesian passport to travel to Pakistan, an act affirming his Indonesian citizenship.

      With or without a birth certificate he is not a natural born citizen

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    3. Wow! You know it all. Then what's the big deal???

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    4. Art Lee, You are completely missing the point! His dad was not a US citizen, therefore he cannot be a natural born citizen!!! THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRES THE PRESIDENT BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! We currently do not have a president because he is not eligible!

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    5. He certainly was born in the US, making him a natural born citizen.

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  83. The constitution also states "Equal rights for all" yet gays can't marry in most of this country. Argument null.

    flagged - debate over before started.

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  84. I agree with all your points Hank.

    The problem is that the US is and has been operated by a shadow gov't for some time now. The last three administrations have worked in unison to bring about the situation we have today with this current administration. The complete dismantling of the constitutional government of the United States. The destruction of the US economy to break the back of the affluent middle class so that we will accept a one world government.

    It's obvious and there is little that we the citizens can do at this late date. It would take the US Military to overthrow the sitting gov't.

    I don't think we we will ever see that happening.

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  85. Flagged - dupe, albeit a well written dupe.

    Still a dupe.

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  86. If the constitution trumps it all, why can't gays get married.

    Debate over - flagged - duplicate

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  87. jasterling Idea Submitter

    Perhaps you should read the Constitution to find your answer. It's a state issue.

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  88. Thank the gods that don't exist that these dupes are being combined into one post. Thanks to the mods - who clearly have been overworked today.

    Cheers, mate(s)!

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  89. The biggist problem: They are "WHITE"!

    Fly them to Mexico an sneak them over the border. Problem solved.

    Root cause: The North American Union and New World Order.

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  90. Where in the Constitution, Supreme Court cases or any state laws other than Hawaii is it required that a presidential candidate or president elect submit to any authority a certified copy of a birth certificate? Washington at least through Lincoln could not have produced one.

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  91. Hey, THIS IS SCARY. FIRST in line is Obama who can't prove he is a natural born citizen, SECOND in line is Biden with his loose lips, and THIRD in line for the presidency is Queen Pelosi who can't tell the truth. Has either #2 or #3 provided their COLB.

    Just as a side note, none of these three has ever served in the military.

    Anyone who applies for a passport is required to furnish a Certified Copy of their birth certificate as I did, but then, I am a natural born citizen and was able to get the Certified Copy.

    If Obama would just furnish this document a lot of things would just go away.

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  92. Starting with George Washington, the Founding Fathers who later were elected President, obviously were British subjects prior to July 4th 1776,but by specific language in the Constitution recognized as eligible.

    Remember the Revolutionary War of Independence? These men received their citizenship as charter members for fighting that war and establishing the country your boy has duped.

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  93. DO YOUR RESEARCH:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    SO WOULD YOU PREFER TO HAVE BIDEN AS PRESIDENT AND PELOSI AS VP???

    Becarful what you wish for...

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  94. DO YOUR RESEARCH:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    SO WOULD YOU PREFER TO HAVE BIDEN AS PRESIDENT AND PELOSI AS VP???

    Becarful what you wish for....

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  95. DO YOUR RESEARCH:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    SO WOULD YOU PREFER TO HAVE BIDEN AS PRESIDENT AND PELOSI AS VP???

    Becarful what you wish for.....

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  96. In the end, what does a piece of paper mean? A man's eligibility for a position of power is determined by his own morals and capacity for critical thought. I refuse to let this become an issue, and will continue to judge the man critically, on his actions, NOT on whether or not I believe his birth certificate to be false. This site was made to perhaps spur on some discussion about some IMPORTANT issues, and you rhetoric junkies just seem to instantly gravitate to some of the least important issues. Judge him by his words and actions, not papers or a place of birth.

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  97. It continues to amaze me how illiterate we as Americans have become in our knowledge of real American history. This is an IMPORTANT issue to me. Who gets to decide which issue is important enough to warrant discussion? I do! There is no reason on the face of this earth for us not to hold Barack Obama to the same standards as every other President we've ever had. What? Hold him to standards? Of law? Yes! We, as Americans, demand to see this birth certificate- in LONG FORM. I produce my children's birth certificates for everything from sports to school. We want to see it, we have a right to see it and scrutinize it, and anyone who says it doesn't matter is unAmerican! For someone (ahead_byacentury) to tell me that this man's eligibility for a position of power (i.e. the Presidency) is determined by his own morals and capacity for critical thought has NEVER read The Constitution. Either that, or you've read it and decided that you don't want to abide by it and no one else should have to either...

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  98. Okay I'll judge him by his actions... ( to easy dude)

    Guilty of Treason-Usurping the Office of the Presidentcy of the United States by means of fraud.

    Guilty of Perjury- Lieing under Oath upon taking said oath Jan 20, 2009 as prescribed by the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

    Guilty of Perjury- count II Swearing under oath in the State of Illinois as to his legal status as made to the State Bar.

    Guilty of Forgery- affixing his signature to official government documents as President of the United States. Numerous Counts

    Let's see, there's election tampering, campaign funding violations, oh I don't know enough to keep a Battalion of Attorneys busy for their next ten lifetimes.

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  99. IF he is not ELIGIBLE to be our President, it doesn't change the fact that Biden does qualify and that he is the Current VP.... IF Obama is removed the election would not be overturned... BIDEN would fill his spot and the Speaker would move to VP...

    BTW - I did not vote for Obama... and this issue was brought before the court system in PA before the election took place. IF the RNC REALLY believed this to be valid... don't you think they would have spent the $500K on fighting his eligibility in court rather than spending it on Palin's clothes????

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  100. Let's look at this objectively. Is this a personal issue for you, because you feel vexed at how much you are required to divulge your BC information? That infomation is needed from your childrens' sports teams to verify their age, not their country of origin. Even if this did turn out to be some grand conspiracy to keep BA's place of orgin from the public, what would it really matter if he was born in another country? What would this change? Nothing, unless you count the blind patriots who have a problem with foreigners anyways.

    And it's not that I haven't read the Constitution, or disagree with it, its that I believe a strong leader MUST have the capacity to apply his personal judgments to constitutional issues. The constitution is not a stone tablet handed down from god my friend, it is a set of rules written and CONSTANTLY AMENDED by man. It has been the constant forward critical thought of man that has built the system of laws in the US. If our leaders and great men had not had the ability to examine situation and laws effectively, we'd still be living under a monarchy.

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  101. his birth certificate is on-line.

    but of course facts don't matter here, do they?

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  102. DarthNole,

    When Obama gets clapped in irons and leg chains, Mr. Biden will no longer be in line of succession. Either a new election or McCain the candidate Obama cheated most likely would be the President. The Constitution even spells out that scenario I'm told.

    Pelosi and Howard Dean who certifed Obama, would need legal counsel immediately-- for conspriacy and numerous other counts from all 50 State, Secretarys of State for election fraud. And after about a hundred years of them tearing Nanc and Howie new A-holes the Federal Boys should take over for the next century. How's that for change you can believe in.

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  103. AheadbyaCentury

    I apologize to you for me thinking where were you during Junior High Civics class?

    The fraers of our Constitution foresall a situation where a person with dual citizenship could show favoritism to a foreign government/country that he was a citizen of, to the detriment of the United States.

    Therefore they made it state in Art II the President had to be a NATURAL BORN citizen, someone who only owed allegiance to this country.

    Why is the Constiution important-- It is the Supreme Law of the Land. If we piss on that one, we may as well forget all the lesser ones. What a Great Society of Anarchists we would have. I sure wouldn't follow the laws you liked only the ones I liked.

    Are you kinda getting the picture why we have a Supreme Law that is not to be tampered with?

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  104. One of the many facts that jasterling completely ignores is that his inlaws are immigrants. President Obama isn't.

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  105. I'm sorry scyrier, but that's a terrible argument. Native-born politicians are just as likely to favor certain foreign countries. Just look at American and other countries' policies towards Israel! (not to use a cliche example, but why exactly do we support those who so grossly violate human rights?) You can even look at mild-mannered Canadian politicians and see the obvious foreign bias that a lot of them have.

    Plus, even if BA was born somewhere else, he's lived in America almost his entire life, he was educated here and has made many major contributions to THIS society. I'd say it's not so hard to see where his (supposed) loyalties lie.

    Also, at the same time, I don't pretend to know everything. I try to look at situations like this with a grain of salt. Hell maybe Obama is a pushing some secret foreign agenda (and not a local corporate one? :P) But seriously, even a foreign BC wouldn't be proof of that.

    And sir, I'm not suggesting we "piss on the constitution" or create a "Great society of Anarchists." I merely put forward the idea that perhaps there are more important issues at hand than the President's place of birth.

    There is no supreme law that is not to be tampered with. If laws and ideas are not allowed to be challenged and evolve, what progress can we hope to achieve?

    And for the record, I am not, and never have been an Obama supporter. I'm just as skeptical as all of you, I just feel the need to examine this issue from as many perspectives as possible.

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  106. I find it difficult to believe that there's ANY doubt whatsoever that posting a short form for public consumption is even REMOTELY adequate. When you then examine what WAS posted and find it not only lacking in stature, but seeming to quite likely be fraudulent (Google Techdude), it only raises questions instead of answering them. It is NOT sufficient for a Hawaiian state official to merely SAY Obama is eligible. The American people have a RIGHT to know beyond all doubt, and to be able to examine the evidence for themselves. How anyone could claim to the contrary is nothing less than evidence of their own treason. Ignoring this issue as Secretary Gates has - by laughing at it, no less - does more damage than good.

    As scyrier (previous post) pointed out, there are darn good reasons that the framers of our constitution sought a natural born citizen status for the office of the "POTUS". To expect the people to just do nothing, sit here, and accept less, is not just treasonous, but is quite clearly an indication of a "severe mental defect", and criminal.

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  107. h2odok just broke the case!

    "Anyone who applies for a passport is required to furnish a Certified Copy of their birth certificate as I did, but then, I am a natural born citizen and was able to get the Certified Copy."

    President Obama has had a passport since he was a kid so obviously he already has furnished one.

    CASE CLOSED! CHECKMATE!! GAME SET AND MATCH!!! I'M GOING TO DISNEYWORLD!!!!!

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  108. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

    John 3:19-20 (New International Version)

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  109. Jasterling-

    Hope you have a copy of this somewhere. I really had to hunt for it because it has been flagged. Looks like the lefties are going to try to get their way.

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  110. Obama is NOT eligible regardless...

    here is why;

    http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4979-4049

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  111. I'm afraid Mr. Obama has become more like the leader of North Korea than the constitutionally recognized President of the United States. His arrogance at refusing to address the petitions of the American populace smack of Regality

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  112. Korea and Iran have their nut leaders, and we have ours.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98787

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  113. his mother is an american citizen. case closed. he's carried a passport since birth. case closed. his birth certificate is published. case closed. the federal courts have ruled case closed. i don't believe i am commenting on this nutcracker suite.

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  114. This is the last time I'm goona say it.

    Articulate your argument in a reasonable and objective format - and it will be duly considered. I will stand by your right to be heard, despite disagreeing.

    Make unsubstantiated accusations, try to push your way to the front of the line, and insult everyone who doesn't agree with you along the way; and you will be ridiculed.

    I'm a conservative, but if that's "leftist propaganda"; well I don't want to be right.

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  115. Was George Washington a natural-born citizen?

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  116. jasterling Idea Submitter

    Isa - a baby who is born from a person who has not been in the United States past the age 16 for 10 consecutive years by definition is not qualified as a natural born citizen. I would expect that if you so boldly assert 'case closed' you would have done more homework than a superficial comment.

    Uncle MythMan - seriously? They established the rule. You do realize it has to START somewhere (I can't believe I'm having to explain this)??? But let me ask you this, are you saying it doesn't matter if Obama wasn't?

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  117. The idea that a candidate for the Office of President of the United States would never disclose to the American citizenry his complete birth records in order to satisfy the citizenship requirements of the Constitution is amazing.

    Why does President Obama not have to comply with the law, and who was the person in the governmnet who accepted his candidacy without requiring absolute and unequivical evidence of citizenship by birth?

    It is utterly amazing to me as a citizen and military veteran of this country that President Obama will not release to the public his complete birth records. What information on the long form birth certificate could be so harmful to either himself or his family that he would refuse to provide it?

    I'm not one for promoting "conspiracy theories", but the mere fact that he won't provide it and the media is not giving any attention to this to me smacks of some truth in the allegations.

    President Obama, for the sake of the nation, please come clean and release the information so we can all move on and all the controversy around this will die.

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  118. Well put, CW. I am convinced that O, his backers, his followers and fans are afraid of the truth.

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  119. When I was a child, and I acted like a spoiled 5 year old and I whined and stamped my feet and DEMANDED attention because I didn’t get my way…my parents sent me to my room. And I’d holler and wail and stamp my feet until I realized that I would not be invited back to participate with the adults and have my voice heard until I changed my behavior and quit acting like an ass.

    I could stamp my feet all I wanted, and nobody cared…because I was acting like a rotten little creep and no one wanted me around. When I got tired of being excluded from adult conversation I told my parents I was sorry and that I was ready to be a part of the discussion again.

    We would talk and I would express my needs and they would listen. Sometimes I would get the things I’d ask for and sometimes they would explain to me why I wasn’t going to get things the way I wanted them, but they would be respectful and consider my wants.

    It’s time for “birther” conservatives to be sent to their room and ignored. To be left out of the conversation by the adults until they are willing to quit making demands and screaming and stomping their feet…to be sent to their rooms until they are willing to work WITH their family members to make a pleasant, peaceful and respectful home for all of us…instead of dominating the environment with selfish, childish pettiness.

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  120. jasterling Idea Submitter

    luvwith - oh, you mean ignore the constitution? You call that pettiness? Label it what you want, but our ancestral blood was poured out over this. This is not childish - this is the actual ADULT issue at hand. The children tend to run outside and play while the adults watch over the house.

    Your 'wants' do not equal 'needs'. Much more was sacrificed than you will ever imagine. Perhaps it's time you started considering what has been paid just so you can protest.

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

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  121. Well said!! We need proof of US birth Mr. Obama!! (you won't hear me calling him "President Obama until I am assured he is eligible for the title!)

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  122. It's funny how the wing nuts are all about using the constitution as a weapon when it suits them and ignoring it when it protects people from torture, indefinite detention and warrantless surveilance.

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  123. SO sad we have to fight for truth. The arrogance is ugly from Obama to our own neighbors who are so blind that they cannot see the simplicity of it all - people just demand (because they deserve) the truth. Why has "truth" become such a dirty concept in 2009, in the USA?

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  124. Luvwith Quote:” It’s funny how the wing nuts are all about using the constitution as a weapon when it suits them and ignoring it when it protects people from torture, indefinite detention and warrantless surveillance."

    You have a point on the surveillance. However non-citizens and foreign combatants are not afforded full constitutional protections, but only the protections we agreed to by Geneva convention.

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  125. Not that I care about this sillyness, but there is NO for sure definition of natural born citizen, and even if it were someone born to 2 citizen parents on U.S. soil, that is moot, because the constitution says "No Person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President" (emphasis mine)... not to mention it has a 14 year residency requirement in there, so the founders obviously did not want to be super restrictive on who could become President. I think Obama has been here 14 years at least.

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  126. @jasterling: They established the rule, yes; but--even if they were the superdeeduper hypergeniuses of their time--they were still making those rules in light of a global empire that had taken control of all its conquests through political force (executed with military action).

    Back then, giving a foreigner power meant losing our freedom. Now ... it's money-stuff, with which I don't bother.

    but, If naming a foreign-born U.S.-citizen President steals something from otherwise-qualified Americans, go ahead and impeach him; if not, focus on something that prospers the nation!

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  127. jasterling Idea Submitter

    Uncle - and in all their wisdom, they even made allocation for dissenters like yourself and gave you a process to change things. If you can get enough people to agree with you, amend the Constitution. Until then, you and even the president of the United States are accountable to the people and the Law of the Constitution.

    So focus on the law. You are standing on the prosperity to which it has availed from all our past(s).

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  128. "No Person except a natural born Citizen, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONSTITUTION, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." (Emphasis mine)

    In other words, it was a clause grandfathering in anyone who was a citizen (natural or otherwise) at the founding of the Country. After that date, anyone qualifying as POTUS must be a "natural born Citizen" of the United States. The definition of of a natural born citizen has been argued at length and is now well defined as someone born in one of the fifty states, or born under one of a few narrowly defined exceptions, such as children born to U.S. military parents serving outside the U.S., as in the case of John McCain, who had no problem showing his birth certificate.

    Primary level reading of the Constitution does not erase the fact that Obama continues at great embarrasment and expense to himself to hide evidence of his birth. We have had few friends in Washington for the past several decades, but none of those men are driving the bus now, so if we are going to avoid riding into the economic abyss, lets get rid of the Marxist driving the bus now, and then work on the wrecking crew we call Congress who are cheering him on.

    Why do liberals always have to revert back to , "But Tommy did it too" mentality. Bush was no fiscal conservative, and should take the full brunt of his own mistakes, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Obama is in office now, he is un-vetted, and he is running the largest crime syndicate in the history of the world without restraint.

    I am glad Bush is gone, but I want Obama out of the white house before we end up over the edge, and into the abyss of no return. I want my America back, and that reaches somewhere beyond the new world order speech of Bush 41.

    Barack Obama is the least "transparent" president in the history of the country. Where is the birth certificate Mr. Obama? The world is waiting.

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  129. If you had half the voracity for pertinent issues and civil discourse as you do for this, we would not be in the midst of the biggest single taxpayer heist in the history of organized government.

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  130. "Israel Insider and expert analyst working under the pseudonym Techdude "...seriously? That's your viable source? Just give it up.

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  131. surely there is a way to get this information without Obama having to give it to us.......

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  132. We have all the information we need . . and don't call me surely

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  133. Why are you people all so dense? Seriously?

    Do you really NOT know that a short form BC is just as much a birth certificate as a long form? Did you also not know that many states don't issue long form birth certificates anymore, because it's cheaper and easier to issue the short form and just keep the information from the long form in a computer database?? I'm sure you didn't, because you don't bother to pay attention when you're so busy hunting snipe.

    Just because it isn't the darn original, doesn't mean it isn't valid.

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  134. I have the top one third of a $100.00 bill scanned and photo shopped on my website. I think I'll take my laptop to the grocery store this evening and show it when the cashier asks for money… Oh, but that's a ridicules statement isn't it? Yes it is.

    ...Maybe in important matters, originals do carry just a tad more weight than facsimiles of original... but then, that's just me, and, I'm just so dense... seriously.

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  135. A certificate of live birth is neither a "copy" nor a "facsimile" of a birth record. it is a certified birth record document.

    I use mine all the time, and noone has ever told me it isn't valid or that I need further documentation to back it up.

    Obama has nothing to prove to you people. If there were a legitimate question about his citizenship, then there would be legitimate actions to answer that question.

    As it stands, there is no legitimate question of Obama's citizenship. Therefore, no "proof" is needed to dispel the question.

    Lawsuits seeking to uncover Obama's "true" birth records have been dismissed as frivolous, which is exactly what they are.

    The document that we've all seen clearly states it is prima facie evidence in a court of law. That itself is enough to warrant dismissal of any lawsuits related to the matter.

    For those of you who are interested, but perhaps too preoccupied to have noticed, there have also been photographs released of the Obama COLB.

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  136. Oh, brother

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  137. To me it sounds a lot like the nazis or the KGB asking for someone's "papers." It just has that ring of the eastern European accent that you hear in James Bond flicks or old cold war movies. Truth is I have NO idea where my original birth certificate is. If you waned to see mine I would go to the health department, take whatever form they gave me, and that would have to suffice. Short form, long form, who cares- the courts don't.

    I was born and raised in Alabama to a family that's been in this country since well before the revolution, and chances are that there is no way I could ever prove to any of the self appointed birth certificate experts here that I am a "natural born citizen." It's a sorry state of affairs when the so called "defenders of the constitution" rant and rave the jargon of fascist and totalitarian governments. Show us your papers!? Give me a break.

    The best post I have seen addressing the topic can be found here:

    http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/5923-4049

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  138. You knuckleheads are finally posting on a single post...and your getting creamed 1900 to 900.

    Get used to losing.

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  139. jaste - Actually, the 'prosperity of the United States' bred the carelessness that killed me.

    Luckily, I'm standing on a law written beyond any writing ever known. That law tells me that America ELECTS this man into office. America trusts that all the people who NEEDED to know Obama was a natural citizen DID SEE (else how could he have run for office?)

    If every jot-and-tittle of past writing had any power against "now"'s power, I wouldn't be alive to defend the present.

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  140. You have no respect for the Constitution.

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  141. No truth; No transparency; No long-form birth certificate; No change we can believe in; Do as I say; Not as I do; Nothing more than the normal lying, deceitful, scheming, average politician. The "change" began with you but you failed miserably with something so simple. To spend over a million dollars to bury your long-form birth certificate if you are legally eligible for the office of President doesn't make for good economics, does it? And you're going to fix America's economy?? And you want us to trust you?? Note for Michelle Obama - You are not "finally home" as you stated on Inauguration Day.

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  142. I don't get what all the fuss is about. His mother was a U.S. citizen, that makes him born a U.S. citizen.

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  143. oh, yeah, and he was born in Hawaii after it became a U.S. state, so even then his parents' citizenship would be a moot point. He was born in the U.S. what are you people freaking about???

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  144. 6/07/09 I see there are 666 against.Imagine that,Antichrist is against this post and for Obama.Might not prove anything but it says sooooo much :)

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  145. If you don't understand the manner in which one determines that a candidate for president is a natural born citizen, I dread to think of what else you believe. He does not qualify and he never will.

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  146. jasterling Idea Submitter

    krmpub, et al, what do you mean 'waht are you people freaking out about?' My question for you and now Obama is the same thing - what are you freaking out about? McCain wasn't my choice - but when his birth certificate was requested, he produced it immediately. So why fight against a constitutional demand?

    What are YOU freaking out about???

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  147. This is a dead issue. It has passed mustard through the official filters of election system, and many other check points way before Obama came up as a candidate in the Primaries.

    It's irreversible, and no court in the land will declare Obama a "non-native." There are those with vested interest in distracting the public with this kind of trivia to the point of fabricating documents to support an idea that will never hold water in any court of the land.

    Secret and anonymous investigations are suspect just by the very nature of the secrecy. Very spurious arguments are presented, and useless.

    The man is NOW ON THE JOB. If you want to get rid of him, the only way now is by examining his performance, and the benefit to the nation if any, and take the present issues.

    I don't particularly agree with most of Obama's tack on handling the economy and health care, and many other issues. He has taken the side of the bankers. I call it Bushism with a new face. The man is too conciliatory, and gives up too many things to get his programs passed. This will backfire, but he may learn in time. He is, for a politician, more honest than I've seen in the last 40 years.

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  148. A GEM FROM JOSEPH LYLES

    You love your country so much . . .

    You doubled the debt your country owes to wealthy bond holders and foreigners.

    You mortgaged the future of all our children and grandchildren to potential enemies like Communist China.

    You allowed good American manufacturing jobs to be outsourced to third world cheap labor cesspools.

    You think American workers ought to have the same "generous" wages, benefits, and working conditions as those furnished third world workers by you corporate cronies.

    Allowed unregulated speculators -- starting with Ken Lay and Enron -- to ruthlessly gouge American energy consumers, crippling our economy in the process.

    Allowed unregulated speculators in the mortgage market to bankrupt our financial system, causing millions of foreclosures.

    Bailed out the lenders who lost money in the mortgage crisis, then you refused any such assistance to the ordinary American consumers wiped out by this disaster.

    Allowed American corporations to escape Federal taxes by hiding their money in places like the Cayman Islands. We're still waiting for that wealth to "trickle back" to America.

    Created the most expensive health system in the world -- paid for by the skyrocketing insurance premiums of middle class Americans.

    Allowed 47 million people -- in a country with the most expensive healthcare system in the world -- to do without adequate healthcare.

    Allowed life expectancy in the US to drop to 42nd in the world -- having the world's most expensive healthcare system.

    Hired a "horse lawyer" to manage the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the very agency that would respond to a "terrorist attack."

    Ate birthday cake while Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans -- after the National Hurricane Center forecast the disaster at least 48 hours in advance.

    When presented with a report, on August 6, 2001 entitled "Al Qaeda Determined To Attack Inside The United States," you ignored the warning and allowed bin Ladin to attack inside the United States.

    Having done nothing to prevent an attack about which you were warned 35 days earlier, you allowed the mastermind of the attack to escape justice -- to this day.

    Having allowed the mastermind of that attack to escape justice, you set up a concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay, and sought to deny the inmates there of even the most basic due process of law.

    You have supported the use of torture by both American and foreign governments against such heinous criminals as Osama bin Ladin's driver. Bin Ladin himself, remains at large.

    Having done nothing to prevent an attack about which you were warned 35 days earlier, you immediately started using that attack to justify war on a country that had nothing to do with the attack.

    Having done nothing to prevent an attack about which you were warned 35 days earlier, you used the specter of an attack using chemical, biological, and even nuclear weapons, to win public support for a needless war that has killed over 4000 American soldiers. [We won't bother discussing the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed in that war. You don't care about them.]

    Having successfully lied to Americans about a non-existent threat of weapons of mass destruction, and furthermore, having false suggested a connection between Iraq and the terrorist attack -- the one you were warned about 35 days before it happened . . . you ignored American generals who said you would need a minimum of 500,000 troops to carry out a successful post-invasion occupation of that country.

    Instead, you sent in Paul Bremer to fire a half million employees of the Iraqi government -- driving them into the ranks of the insurgency.

    You are utterly unwilling to pay the taxes necessary to finance that misbegotten and mismanaged war.

    You are utterly unwilling to make ANY sacrifice in support of either the war in Iraq or the so-called "war on terror."

    You opposed giving veterans of the present "war" GI Bill benefits those we gave veterans of World War II.

    While appearing to be utterly unconcerned about a trillion dollar war based on propaganda and deception, utterly unconcerned about 400 billion dollars in interest payments on the national debt, utterly unconcerned about record profits earned by American oil companies, utterly unconcerned about skyrocketing health insurance premiums, you are outraged -- outraged -- whenever you hear that some brown baby in an American inner city got a milk bottle on your dime.

    You would force millions of American women to have unwanted children . . .

    . . . then howl to heavens when your tax money is used provide those same unwanted children with basic nutrition and healthcare.

    Did I mention that you are utterly unconcerned about the trillion dollars we've wasted in Iraq or the 400 billion dollars we spend in interest payments on the national debt?

    You'll put up with just about any waste of money, as long as we're not feeding or housing anyone with it.

    Awarded tax cuts to the richest Americans, allowed corporations to outsource jobs to the third world, sent America's sons to die in Iraq, indebted America's children and grandchildren, and then -- get this -- positioned yourselves as "champions of ordinary people."

    Having bankrupted the country, destroyed it's manufacturing base, shamed the country with the use of torture and our very own version of an American Gulag, cut taxes on the richest Americans, and supervised the most grossly unequal distribution of wealth in American history, you are asking Americans to support four more years of your misrule, using lies, smears, and vacuous symbolism and imagery.

    Indeed, you are fighting like caged animals to win, win, win at any cost -- regardless of how sorry your record has been for the past 8 years.

    Having bankrupted the country, destroyed it's manufacturing base, shamed the country with the use of torture and our very own version of an American Gulag, cut taxes on the richest Americans, and supervised the most grossly unequal distribution of wealth in American history -- and now fighting like caged animals to win another term in the White House to CONTINUE this abuse of the American people -- you now have the nerve to challenge the patriotism of your opponents in this election.

    All I can say is that "patriotism is as patriotism does." If you do indeed love America -- which keep telling us -- well, I have to wonder how much more of your "love" America can stand.

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  149. jasterling Idea Submitter

    luvwith - you are delusional. Who do you think put most of this in to play? Wait - we already know your answer.

    But more on TOPIC (try to stay with it please) - all I'm asking for is what we all have to produce at times, including senator McCain in the electoral process; a long form birth certificate. Even BHO's grandmother says he can't because she witnessed his birth in Kenya. So prove it wrong. It's constitutional law. Deal with it.

    npolimeni - if it's so dead, why are so many talking about it, including yourself? It's obviously not dead - but even if you 'say' that it is, an unanswered breaking of the law is never 'dead'. The balance must be restored.

    Just one shred of a legitmiate piece of paper. That's all. Then the issue will be settled.

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  150. I love how people use completely fabricated "evidence" and build an entire cult following on it. Then, on top of that, the belief that anyone will seriously give this any credit and indulge your fantasy that President Obama isn't a citizen is laughable.

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  151. jasterling,

    The issue is dead as far as anything can be done to alter the fact that Obama is now President. It may continue to be challenged after you and I are dead... I don't see any court every taking up any challenges, and if any does, the issue will live in the courts for years.

    Let's assume Obama was born in Kenya. The law accepts children of American parents as American citizens. The Consulate issues a "report of birth abroad," just like McCain probably has, who was born in Panama.

    For the present it makes more sense to me to deal with Obama's actions as President, because these are the things that can affect the nation's present and future.

    This is one of the White House's web site... what do you think they do with the data that is collected here? Are they going to give priority to showing Obama's birth certificate?

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  152. What happen to telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Would a cover-up of this magnitude not be considered treason?

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  153. Hah!

    John Claunch 2 days ago

    'I love how people use completely fabricated "evidence"'

    The only "fabricated evidence" is the bogus "CertifiCATION of Live Birth" presented by Obama's supporters.

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  154. Democracy:

    A government of the masses.

    Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.

    Results in mobocracy.

    Attitude toward property is comunistic-negating property rights.

    Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate. whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

    Results in demagogism license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

    Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.

    A certain Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."

    A democracy is majority rule and is destructive of liberty because there is no law to prevent the majority from trampling on individual rights. Whatever the majority says goes! A lynch mob is an example of pure democracy in action. There is only one dissenting vote, and that is cast by the person at the end of the rope.

    Republic:

    Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.

    Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.

    Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.

    A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.

    Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

    Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

    A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of:

    an executive and

    a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create

    a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize

    certain inherent individual rights.

    Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

    Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

    A republic is a government of law under a Constitution. The Constitution holds the government in check and prevents the majority (acting through their government) from violating the rights of the individual. Under this system of government a lynch mob is illegal. The suspected criminal cannot be denied his right to a fair trial even if a majority of the citizenry demands otherwise.

    Difference between Democracy and Republic, in brief:

    Democracy:

    a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority.

    b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

    Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences

    Republic

    a: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

    b: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

    Democracy and Republic are often taken as one of the same thing, but there is a fundamental difference. Whilst in both cases the government is elected by the people, in Democracy the majority rules according to their whims, whilst in the Republic the Government rule according to law. This law is framed in the Constitution to limit the power of Government and ensuring some rights and protection to Minorities and individuals.

    The difference between Republic and Righteous Republic is that in the Republic the Government rules according to the law set up by men, in the Righteous Republic the law is the Law of God. Only in the Righteous Republic it can truly be said "One nation under God" for it is governed under commandments of the only One True God and there is no pluralism of religions.

    Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.

    Mobocracy: 1. Political control by a mob. 2. The mass of common people as the source of political control.

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  155. You know the people here in the United States rally have no idea how the rest of the world lives, and copes with their own governments. I am a veteran of a foreign war, and have seen what those people live like. We here in the United States have no idea what they go through on a daily basis. They struggle to stay alive, they don't have rights like we do. Let them say something against the government, or it's leader, and see if you can find where they are buried, if they got buried.

    Rome wasn't built in a day. Let me see anyone solve all the problems we have in the United States in as many days as some of the people on this site think they should be solved. All I hear is their right to free speech, being used. Stop talking and do something. Action will get it done.

    It is obvious what government did in the past isn't working, so why not try something else. The talkers need to start doing, if they want something changed. Hot air fills a balloon, and BS smells and makes a mess. Why not clean it up and get something done.

    I have a contribution, to show I don’t just talk, go to You Tube, Billy the Kid, White Gasoline Vapor. Now, where is your contribution?

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  156. A couple thoughts as we stand on our soap box in regards to Iran.

    My hat goes off to the Iranian people. I have personally met a few while in Germany. They were just like our middle class American folks. They want peace, and mock their idiot leaders, when and where they can, just like we do.

    But 2 things strike me, that are going better for them, than for us. We say we are so free. We shout it out vaguelt, with no real idea what that means. What a joke. 2 reasons I say this:

    1) If we were in the same position, engaging in nonviolent street protests, we would not be facing the occasional militia with tear gas, it would be jackboot thugs police types hellbent on killing, dressed in SWAT uniforms, toting assault rifles and shotguns. There would be many many more casualties and deaths. We claim we are so free. Go try and start street protests, with enough people that scare the authorities and the military will be on your heels. We are no better than Iran, just more orderly and quiet with our government control. Even the media is under Obama's hypnosis.

    2) With all the assaults to our constitution, and now with this left wing marxist nonsense, Washington, Jefferson and John Adams are surely rolling in their graves. What is worse, we haven't the moxy to do anything like the street protests our cousins in Iran are doing right now. Our people are too stupid, too mollified, too sleepy to give a damn. And we will soon receive the results of that behavior. With all this invasion of private industry, bank bailouts, printing money, robbing the coffers to payoff the cronies of those in power, consideration of a major debacle in nationalized health care that would surely fail, and not to mention the birth certificate issue, it just amazes me that we are not in the streets protesting as well. Oh, I guess it is because of #1 above.

    Remind me again how free we are.

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  157. It's funny to hear people use terms like "invasion or private industry". It's the industry that came begging to be bailed out. We wouldn't bailing out banks or companies had we not taken away vital regulation that was established to keep companies from becoming "too big to fail". I agree with you that we shouldn't be bailing out Wall Street, but don't give me this B.S. about "government take over"...and GOD forbid we do anything to disrupt the digusting amounts of money that are being made at the expense of people who believe they have secure healthcare, when it's all an illusion. We don't even have "health"care in this country, if we did we would be promoting healthier living so we wouldn't need to see a thousand doctors for whatever ails you. We have SICK care for the priveledged. The rich get care and the rest get shafted! If the "free" market (whatever that is) is supposed to drive down costs with competition, why is cost for healthcare going through the roof. It's because HMO's were designed to be a cash cow! It's this idiotic narrow-minded cowboy politics that has ruined us! As the Europeans are light-years ahead of us in energy and healthcare policy, we borrow like crack addicts from the Chinese, who we condemn for Communism, but who bankroll everything we do....and you're complaining about some crackpot conspiracy theory that has already been dismissed twice as being absolutely ludicris? gimme a break!

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  158. John, your post is so wrong on so many fronts. That left position will just get this country more behind than it already is. Do your homework. The reason we bailed out Freddie and Fannie is because Clinton forced banks against their will to give out risky loans to deadbeats who couldn't afford them. Then Bush did nothing to stop the bleeding-well he tried, and Congress overruled him as I recall. There were many warnings, but many more people turning open the tap ofo free money. It all came down like a house of cards. Next, go look up the definition of "community organizer". What do you think that is??? An Acorn type supporter, working to coerce local government and banks to push loans and such to undeserving, lazy individuals who don't want to work like I and others did to afford housing and all the goodies that hard work bring. This is Obama's best resume content?????

    We cannot just continue to push for all these handouts and expect to stay above third world country status. Do you think if all those Rosie the Riveters and airplane and vehicle factory workers in WWII had maintained this "somebody owes me" attitude we would be still speaking English? NOPE. Wir wurden Deutsch sprechen.

    You lefties just don't get it. The Russians and Chavez, they are laughing at us, with the rate at which we are adopting socialistic, marxist policies. Policies that don't work. Let's not even get started on nationalized health care.

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  159. I will agree with you John partially. The lobbyists should all be shot. You make good points about the healthcare industry. But nationalizing it is not the way to go. We pay like triple for pharmaceuticals compared to foreign companies. Why? Because the pharm lobby coerced the government (read: bought) the right to give us the shaft. Then made it illegal to go to Canada to end run the screwing we are getting. The insurance industry has the hospitals and worse, the doctors by the balls. The lawyers have a grip as well, with their liability lawsuits. Doctors cannot afford liability insurance. These are the places that need corrected. Nationalizing the system is ridiculous. Start by capping liability lawsuits. It works in Europe. Next, what coultry in its right mind charges its own citizens triple for products made in their own country, compared to its foreign sales? Do the Saudis charge $8 a gallon to their citizens for gasoline? NOT! What a scam. The Americans are getting a continuous screwing. And the current left in charge is ready to pick up the pieces and "save us" by giving us all a screwing the rest of the way in another direction. Till they are done "capping energy", taxing the air we breathe, nationalizing the healthcare into unavailable oblivion, deciding who lives and who dies, what kind of country will we be left soon? We will be better off in any other central European country than here, at least they have already learned from these historical mistakes we seem so eager to ignore.

    So it is easy, fix those three things, while ignoring the lobbyists who have most of the real power in this country, and there you have it. It ain't gonna happen. Not till we see the same thing on our streets as you see in Iran today.

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  160. Bill Clinton?!??! are you kidding? You're honestly going to blame the current financial situation on the Clinton administration. Wow are you gullible. The failure and Fannie and Freddie were minuscule compared to AIG and GM. Look where MOST of the bailout money went. The mortgage crisis was just the tip of the iceberg of a MUCH larger problem of Wall Street corruption spurred on by years of deregulation policy.

    and as far as the Healthcare System goes, it's probably too late to nationalize. It should have been nationalized years ago during either the Roosevelt or Johnson admins. The politicians are too deep in the pockets of the insurance industries. Why do you think single-payer health care isn't even on the table for discussion? Because the insurance companies bought that deal awhile back. 72% of the country wants government sponsored healthcare. They are tired of going bankrupt just to get treatment. Politicians spread misleading statements about waiting months for care and bureaucrats being between you and your doctor if we nationalize...guess what?? We ALREADY HAVE CORPORATE BUREAUCRATS IN THE WAY! They employ armies of lawyers and researchers to investigate claims to find ways to not pay out. We could establish the government to act simply as the billing department while maintaining private doctors and hospitals. This would also take the burden of employer-based insurance off the backs of private companies. Health care is 2nd only to payroll (and in some cases surpasses payroll) as most companies biggest expense).

    If you want to live in the stone age of these ridiculous political theater arguments of Fear-Factor McCarthyism...look at our country 50 years from now...if we make it that long.

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