Anyone out there who thinks guns are needed under the pretense of forming a "militia," in case we ever want to revolt against the most powerful military in the world, is ignorant and naive at best. There is no militia any one can form to over throw the US military. If other first world countries can not over power our military, a few red-neck militia groups shouting 2nd amendment rights wont be able to do it either. Sorry.
Hence, what do we really need guns for? The only reason guns are thus needed is to kill other people. Other Americans; plain and simple. Aside from sport-hunting, there is no rational justification for the sale of powerful automatic or semi-automatic fire arms. It's just insane. Make gun owner ship almost illegal and watch how crime rates, murders and domestic terrorist cases shrink.
America has the highest homicide rate of any first world country in the world. We also have the most lax gun laws of any first world country in the world.
I live in a military town; trust me, as much as right-wing extremist would like to site the second amendment as a way to protect ourselves from the tyranny of government, we wouldn't stand two seconds against our military. This isn't the 1800's any more.
Get rid of guns, its only benefiting corporations who profit from the homicides Americans commit against Americans.
How can anyone possibly defend this?
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"The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed--where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once".
Judge Alex Kozinsky
If they're shooting, and we're shooting, and you're unarmed, you are in the sucky position.
Naive indeed.
Juan is probably one of the La Raza crew, they think they're going to take over. I think they'd better not try!
juan,
I'll promise you this now. If you and I are in the same place and a criminal wants to shoot you with his gun that you and your ilk successfully made illegal (only the criminal didn't care that you made it illegal), I will shoot him first before he shoots you, even though you've already pooped your pants at the sight of his gun pointing between your eyes. I'll save your silly butt in spite of your naivete.
The military is our sons and daughters, our fathers and mothers, and brothers and sisters. Most of them are about fed up with the liberal crap too.
you don't know the first thing about the constitution if you had a clue then you would not have posted this b.s. post.
the government is forbidden from turning the military on the people. if they ever did the people would have them outnumbered 10,000 to 1
i don't care what firepower you have the odd are you will lose.
the reality is that of all the countries on the planet america is the one that you can not bring your army to and start some crap. you would lose.
what we are having a problem with is the traitors in the government assisting the illegal invasion.
at some point this will come to a head and when it does the ones responsible will be dragged out in chains and tried for treason.
Cant say I am going to miss them either.
Juan, are you here legally?
JUAN--"Make gun owner ship almost illegal and watch how crime rates, murders and domestic terrorist cases shrink".
Do you think most of this is done by licsenced gun owners?
JUAN-"America has the highest homicide rate of any first world country in the world. We also have the most lax gun laws of any first world country in the world".
Do you think if we enforced the laws we allready have ,It would be better? Kinda like immagration laws.
Your libtards friends try to make it sound as if we are a lawless frontier when it comes to this.
Yeah, that would make it difficult for criminals to commit violent crimes! Do you think they buy their weapons where they have to register them?
Drop the hences and thuses. It doesn't make you seem more intelligent when the idea is so ideal-like. Most people don't have guns to protect themselves from the military but if we ever have to, I don't want to be in standing there holding a slingshot!
Yes their is, it's the illegal invasion of the mexicans in sheer numbers that will take over. so much for the most powerful military on earth. a bunch of scumbag carpetbaggers with shovels and pitchforkes defeating the entire nation. What corruption at the highest levels of government. If I was a mexican I would be laughing myself to death.
While I like the obvious snark behind your ideas, it's not practical. What would I do with my own arsenal? I've been stockpiling weapons against the day these right wing nutjobs actually decided to get up off their fat duffs and do something. Admittedly, most of them are big-mouthed cowards. But one or two of them might actually consider their lies as fact.
Here's something. We give everybody a test. If they show right wing tendencies, we disarm them, give them a crawdad net, and send them on their way.
That's sounds more reasonable.
You should take your cute little comedy act on the road.
Let's ban swimming pools, cars, alcohol, tobacco, etc. All these things kill more people every year than guns. Only criminals use guns against others. I have a right to my firearms constitutionally.
curtandrachel,
These people are not concerned with public safety, they want us disarmed so they can take over. Don't believe all their pretended concern for society. They hate America, and they hate Americans.
Exactly, we wouldnt stand two seconds against our military ......Which is proof the people who are holding positions they are perverting that are odering this treason and victimization of Americans, should be removed...NOW.......So we dont have to be put in a position to take a stand against our military( by our military)..........MAKE A LAW THAT PUTS IN JAIL ANY MEMBER OF GOV, ,,,,,WITHOUT IMMUNITY FOR ALL..........THAT INTERFERES WITH OUR RIGHT TO PROTECT OURSELF/VES AND THAT GIVES US(AMERICANS) STOPS VIOLATING OUR RIGHT TO OWN AND OPERATE ANY/ALL MILITARY TYPE GUNS/MUNITIONS AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS NECESSARY AT THE TIME WE ARE BEING THREATENED BY ANYONE IN OR OUT OF MILITARY OR GOVERNMENT
I see you are still on here pushing that ACORN BULLSHlT still. WELL FVCK YOU AND ACORN TOO.
Even if they ban guns...we will still have them because ya'll know what it will take to get them...and ya'll don't wnat none of that. You can bank that.
If they try to take them up ya'll will be met with such a resistance that you will wish you had never started this war.
See Iran? That is what ya'll are trying to start over here with all of the liberal socialist/communist crap. Who do you think will be the first to feel the revolt? How about those that started it against us. We have our constitution to justify our actions...
Maybe I should just cut to the chase and say, OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS!
"America has the highest homicide rate of any first world country in the world. We also have the most lax gun laws of any first world country in the world."
Does "post hoc ergo propter hoc" mean anything to you? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc)
We have a very small group who maim and kill each other as a hobby. Why don't you straighten them out, before you worry about the law abiding citizens?
I know it's not politically correct to discuss some issues, but, tough shat, sue me!
I would bet that most of the homicides cases are committed by Obama supporters...young black males and illegals with guns to make them feel significant and powerful...since they probably can't spell "significant and powerful".
Their lack of education that was caused by the(ir) parent(s)lack of guidance or concern for their success has left them useless in today's society...so they get a gun and kill because they hate everybody that is smart enough to earn a living...and want what the others have earned without having to work for it.
Read this:
http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/
Fools, if you think the US Mil can take on the American peole. Who do you think supports them?
You'd win that bet! It is unfortunate, BUT IT ISN'T MY FAULT!
The problem is not too much freedom, the problem is a lack of self discipline, a factor vital to a free nation.
Most people follow laws because they know it is the right thing to do. Others are only afraid of getting caught, some of them, obviously, in very high places. These people are a threat to the freedom of everyone else.
THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS! It never has and never will. Not even in Washington DC!
You guys supporting gun ownership above the thousands of lives lost per year due to homicides are really irrational.
TSIYA, Billrind5465 and others, I don't know why you guys even question my immigration status, bring up Mexico or left-wing radicals; perhaps it's because you see the word "Juan" as part of my user ID. Would you give more validity to my post if I would have named myself "Steven" or "Nathaniel?" I think not, it sounds like you guys already made up your minds beyond reason. But for the record, I am a US Citizen, thank you very much, and I do not associate with any radical groups. I don't feel that what I have stated in this post is irrational... however, the way some of you reason and act is irrational... and pretty sick.
I know that some of you cite our independence and civil war as a way to support your illusion that somehow we can over power our military should our government turn on us. The fact of the matter is that our state-of-the-art military would have us sitting in our thumbs within a day or two. Even Iraqis who prepared weeks in advance against their long time foe had a better chance against our military and we crushed them. What makes anyone think that red-neck's waving semi-automatics and shouting 2nd amendment rights stand a chance against the US military.
Civilians do not have access to the same technologies they do. Even if White supremacy groups posses rocket launchers and other heavy artillery, they are ridiculously outnumbered and out trained in ever possible way. We are no longer shooting muskets at one another. They have the latest multi-billion killing machines and we have a shot guns and semis. Yay, lets go over throw the US military... give me a break!
If you truly support stacking arsenal for a doomsday scenario against the "tyranny" and "oppression" of the US, then tell your congressman that civilians deserve to own war tanks, tell them you want to purchase a fighter jet, and apache helicopters for your dad and brother, tell them that you should be able to pitch in with your neighbors and purchase an aircraft carriers and that they should throw in a couple air-bombers as a promotion. This way at least you nut-jobs have a standing chance against the most powerful country in the world.
Its too late to prepare against a doomsday scenario. There is no way an army of civilians (even with military experience) can keep pace with the growth and power of the US military. Here's a pill you guys need to swallow for your own good... if our country really wants to impose tyranny and oppression on us there isn't a damn thing we can do about it (militarily speaking of course.) And if you feel that this country is imposing tyranny and oppression on your poor soul then put your money were your mouth is and go revolt... I dare you. What are you still doing reading this post... go!
So don't tell me that you want guns for a doomsday scenario; don't tell me that you want a militia in case the government gets out of hand; don't tell me that you are a vigilante who takes the law into your own hands. People who cite these as reasons for gun ownership sound like complete imbeciles.
The problem with having guns(for no good reason other than murder) is that a confused teenager can get their hands on it and go on a shooting spree at their local school (and don't even start with the race crap, you guys know very damn well that White kids, as well as Blacks, Hispanics and even Asians have committed these crimes; no ethnic group is exempt from this.) This is a societal problem not a racial problem. There are nut-jobs who kill doctors who perform abortions (hey if you don't like it change the law... you do not have the right to murder -and that's not open to debate; this is a country of laws and if you don't like it leave.) There are the Timothy McBays, the Uni-bombers, the Skins, the Supremacist, and a host of other radical people/organizations who use these weapons to terrorize us on a daily basis; and I am not even going to go into the profiteering from war mongering corporations who sell these fire arms.
It's just nonsense to buy guns to protect your self against someone with guns! Its like saying that the best way to protect ourselves from a nuclear attack is by buying more nuclear weapons. With this mentality everyone will eventually have them and it only takes one idiot to destroy us all. So let's just disarm every country from nuclear weapons... hey... I must be saying something right because all of the first world nations are doing just that.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO OWN A GUN OTHER THAN TO MURDER SOMEONE. MAKE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GUNS TURN THEM IN AND RECYCLE THEM.
BAN GUNS NOW!!!
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO OWN A GUN OTHER THAN TO MURDER SOMEONE. MAKE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GUNS TURN THEM IN AND RECYCLE THEM
BBut how would we kill the unicorns ?
Juan, did you take into consideration that some of those homicides might not have taken place if the victim was able to protect him/herself? You won't win this debate.
"It's just nonsense to buy guns to protect your self against someone with guns! Its like saying that the best way to protect ourselves from a nuclear attack is by buying more nuclear weapons. With this mentality everyone will eventually have them and it only takes one idiot to destroy us all. So let's just disarm every country from nuclear weapons... hey... I must be saying something right because all of the first world nations are doing just that."
You are living in Utopia with other liberals! I don't want you defending me. You'll be hiding under the couch!
You don't understand how equality levels the battlefield.
Juan, WE aren't the ones doing 99& of the killing, stealing and raping.
All I needed to see was to your retarded ass supporting ACORN and I already shut off the rest of your liberal BS.
I will not give up my guns as I figure I will need them.
If you think that our military won't be divided over fighting it's own people...right. Most of them don't want to fight a war that they know they have to fight. How do you really think they will feel about pulling the trigger on their own??? I'll put money on the fact you hadn't even thought it that far through have ya?
apugh96, You state that some victims "would be able to protect themselves...?" Really? Which victims are you referring too? Victims like other children at schools? Or tourists at a Jewish Memorial Museum? Or perhaps an abortion doctor who was minding his own business while attending church? Perhaps, professors should carry guns in institutions of higher learning to protect themselves from disgruntled students. Fine... tell you what, let's give everyone guns; you first, give your teenager a gun to take to middle school so he can show-and-tell with his friends and let me know how it goes.
apugh96, you can't fight fire with fire and expect the house to remain intact.
I refuse to accept the flawed reasoning which suggests that the only way to "feel" safe from becoming murdered is by murdering the other person first. We can not promote a society were the only way to "feel" safe is to carry a gun with you and hope that you draw your gun faster than the other guy.
And I already won this debate... sooner or later, reason always triumphs over irrationality...
Big Rooster, The idea of splitting up the military is not new. America lost over half a million when the Confederacy rose up against the Union. This almost divided the country in half. Of course the Confederacy lost. Today, nut-jobs promoting a revolt against the US government have a worse support ratio than the Confederacy had back then. Military men and women are trained to follow orders not emotions. If they are told you are the a domestic terrorist and label you with treason you are toast. No ends, ifs or buts about it... but hey, if you like your chances, like I said, put your money were your mouth is.
Juan, your babble doesn't pass the rationality test, you just sling non sequiters around, and you make no sense.
You are preaching to your own choir on the gun issue, any further violations of the 2nd amendment are only going to lead to trouble.
Many of us were miltary men or women, what about you?
give your teenager a gun to take to middle school so he can show-and-tell
with his friends and let me know how it goes.
What stupid way to think and to say.There are more kids ,who are not on crack that know gun safety.
refuse to accept the flawed reasoning which suggests that the only way to
"feel" safe from becoming murdered is by murdering the other person first.
So you ARE against self defence?..
And I already won this debate...In your mind
Military men and women are trained to follow orders
not emotions. If they are told you are the a domestic terrorist and label you
with treason you are toast.
Only if I work in a baby factory cause you know they only kill the innocent terrorist
When the south lost to the north in the civil war...the south lost because of sheer numbers not because they didn't have the ability...we have the sheer numbers and the ability this time.
"Today, nut-jobs promoting a revolt against the US government"...do you think that all of the people back then wanted to wage war against England? Not even a little bit. Most of the people that signed the DOI were not very certain they were doing the right thing...they thought England would sail on over here and kill everyone...but you probably still think they were nut jobs too...for standing up for what they knew was right. By the way...we won that fight too.
I can't stand the coward assed liberals that our school are turning out...it gets worse every year. Thank God for those that home school their kids and can teach them to do the right thing...even if it means war.
What Juan is suggesting is a police state. He is not familiar with people who do the right things siimply because they are the right things. In his world people have to be herded like cattle, for their own good.
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe".
Thomas Jefferson
TSIYA,
Your comments on the gun issue resort to personal attacks by questioning my immigration status, calling me part of the "La Raza group," and over-simplifying my statements to "babble." Look, you obviously have some strong preconceived ideas and heavy bias that impedes you from having an objective conversation on the issue.
My question to you is; are you ever going to address any of the issues put forth on the table or are personal attacks all you have to offer?
Juan needs to go to you tube and search "Joe Horn" to better understand why we have fewer home invasions and lost of property because of our Texas gun laws. I can shoot and kill you in Texas if I see you breaking into my neighbors home...and I will do it too. If that doesn't keep people in line then they need to be shot. Shoot to kill, never just to hurt...aim for the trachea if you can see their face. With any luck you will hit their C3 through C6 vertebrae and they will die for many different reasons...almost zero deflection due to the soft tissue. If you shoot what I do...their head should flip like a broken PEZ dispenser.
I've been addressing them, you aren't hearing me.
The gross misuse of guns is concentrated in limited areas, populated in large degree by members of particular sub cultures. Much of the violent crime in rural areas is leakage from the large urban areas. It is not my fault and it is not my problem. I stay out of those places and don't associate with barbarians. You might call me a redneck, maybe I am, but I've never abandoned any kids, never cheated on my wife, or got too drunk or stoned to keep a job.
I have sacrificed more than enough already, when you threaten my freedom it is just the same as if you are attacking me physically, and I will defend myself.
I'm not a racist, Juan, I'm a mixed breed junkyard dog, this is all about culture, some work, and some fail. You are killing one that works.
rejean,
Yes, the statement you quoted of me about giving your kid a gun to take to school for show-and-tell IS very stupid. That was the point. You guys want everyone to have guns so they can defend themselves. The children who were massacred at Columbine High School, could not defend themselves because they did not have guns. Mind you that the two kids who committed this horrible crime obtained the guns trough legal channels. So by your reasoning we should have given the kids there guns to defend themselves... my point being is that giving guns to everyone under the pretense of "self defense" and acting as if we still lived in the wild west is even more stupid. Capisi?
So tell me guys, did the fact that the McCoys and Hatfields had guns and murdered the heck out of each other for many years made them any "safer?" Are police any "safer" with more fire power on the streets?
THIS IS MY LAST POST.
One of the reasons why I love this blog is because in a way I get to meet new people from other parts of the country. I have had the fortune of traveling across our great nation and talking with many locals. America is a beautiful country rich in resources and the human spirit. Many feel passionate about their beliefs, and that's great. I am very thankful though, for being a Californian. I wish you all the best and even if we don't agree on gun control let me tell you that I have learned a lot from all of you. I'm a strong believer that the bad experiences are just as important as the good ones because weather we like it or not they shape who we are. Even though most voted down my idea of banning guns I can see that there is room for compromise if all sides of the issue are explained properly. I wish you all the best.
CHEERS FROM CALIFORNIA.
The children who were massacred at Columbine High School would have been shot no matter what...if you have it in your mind that you are going to do something like that...it will be carried out. That could have just as well been hatchets and baseball bats...it could have been bombs that they learned how to build on the internet...so what is your point now?
When I was in high school many of the student cars had a rifle or shotgun in the trunk. We hunted before and after classes. There wasn't any problem. Why are there problems now?
Right. We all had rifles hanging the rear windows of our pick up trucks and ammo in the glove box with a cooler in the bed...never had any problems at my high school.
I bought my first .22 rifle with paper route money when I was 12 years old. It took a long time to save up $24.95 back then. I had to throw a lot of newspapers for that little rifle. Most of my friends did the same, imagine, a bunch of little kids running around on bikes, with rifles and shotguns, not even thinking about shooting anyone, or robbing a C store. We were expected to act like men, responsible men!
Juan, I'm talking about victims of home invasion murders, victims at fast food restaurants who were gunned down recently, store owners who get robbed. The school shootings happened because the shooters (all of them) were put on psychotropic drugs for ADHD or ADD (made up diagnoses). Take the drugs away, not the guns. Make the parents more aware of what their kids are doing. Guns are a protective weapon when you need it. Bad men will always find a way to cause harm when it suits them.
juan,
You're entire argument is fallacious. It goes, "The US has high gun ownership, The US has a high murder rate. Therefore, high gun ownership causes a high murder rate."
The fallacy is called a post hoc fallacy. (means after that therefore because of that).
Many countries, such as Switzerland, New Zealand, Finland, and Israel have high gun-ownership rates and low crime rates, while other countries have low gun ownership rates and either low or high crime rates.
The problem isn't guns.
The US is too tolerant of barbarians, both foreign and domestic. A society must require some basic standards for behavior, and we no longer do so.
Juan ...after reading your post ...I am beginning to understand why the foreign countries are in the state they are in....They are all airheadeds
Mexico has been around forever, they have natural resources, access to seaports, all anyone would need to have a prosperous country. In spite of this they remain a somewhat backward nation. It find it amazing that anyone from Mexico has the audacity to tell us how to run a country.
Juan, you say you are not part of a radical group, yet look up the definition of far left, you criticize the far right and call them extremist, yet all they want is to leave the constitution and the bill or rights as it was intended. If you do not wish to own a gun then don't. And your facts about our homicide rate being higher than that of other country's is not correct. We live in a far safer envirenment than just about any other country. In part and qouted by a Japanese general in wwII, We cannot invade America because we do not know who is armed. I might be a bit off on the qoute but it is easy to research. And I beleive that is a major reason we do not get invaded. Trust me there are many who would like to invade. We are hated because of our freedoms, yet you wish to just toss them out. I say if you do not like our Constitution our Bill of Rights, then move to a country you can find peace. I like mine the way it used to be and I will fight (peacefully) to ensure that it is returned that way and maintained as the forefathers intended. If that makes me an extremist then praise GOD I accept the title. For all those who argue for the 2nd ammendment I thank you and hope you are doing all in your power to keep our rights without paying taxes on them.
"Make gun owner ship almost illegal and watch how crime rates, murders and domestic terrorist cases shrink.
"America has the highest homicide rate of any first world country in the world."
We have "the highest homicide rate" because they DID "Make gun owner ship almost illegal!"
Happy now?
"Make gun owner ship almost illegal and watch how crime rates, murders and domestic terrorist cases shrink."...dumbass! It's the criminals that are doing the killing and they won't give up their guns either.
You are the most dumbest person i have come accross along with the commie lunies in the white house and every where else for that matter. Where the hell is your facts, you spout crap like all the other dumb ass liberals do, splash it against thw wall and try to make it stick, cry like a spoiled brat about it, with no facts at all. that way no longer works. where are the stats from the FBI or even better the other idiot group the BATF to back up your hollow statement. You don't have any, all you have is to coin a cliche from the usurper in the dog house, just words, just words, just platitudes, change, change. that is an idiot make these cliches along with yourself. Go back on welfare where you belong or you might be on it anywat. Still on the plantation being led this time by the black guy.