OpenGov - Open Government Brainstorm

Wow ,, thiat is good .Ought to send it to the White House

I thought it was the best description I have ever seen. I really didn't think it could be explained in 10 1/2 minutes but they did and did it very well too.

Awesome! The best thing about it is that lefties will actually think it’s a fitting, truthful tribute to Ogabehttp:

//hotair.com/archives/2009/06/20/new-jibjab-barack-obama-superhero/

Damn that was funny!!! You are right...they'll think that it's a tribute to him.

That was absolutely fabulous. I didn't think it could be explained in 10 minutes either. They did an excellent job.

This should be sent to Glenn Beck. I know he'd be able to incorporate it into his show.

I have tried many times to explain the difference between Democracy and Republic in conversation, but I never could get it this clear. This video gave me short, succinct, understandable ways to explain it.

Thank you very much, Big. :)

I can't take complete credit for it as somebody else had suggested it as a link...I just posted it in a way that it might get seen by more people.

I just hope that more people will watch it and learn something from it. Even my kids (15 and 17)watched it a couple of times just to make sure they fully understood the breakdown of it...I have good kids that care about this too.

Big, is there anyway we can get this to the attention of Glenn Beck? I don't know how to do such things. Even if he doesn't put it on his show, he can always put it on his website. His site is well read.

I'm showing everyone of my family members it today as they're coming through. A lot of my family lives within a few miles of me and we all just come and go to each others' homes.

My sister was just here and loved it. We're trying to figure out how to get it so we can send it to others online.

I'll look into it. I think it is a good idea.

I have been to three different colleges and never had government explained so clearly...LOL

Go to you tube and search for "the American form of government"...it'll take you right to it.

Did ya'll see where some anti-American bastard voted this down. I might get told I am wrong...but I say run every last one of them sorry assed sonsabitches out of our country because they have no place here.

Sheer propaganda.

SOBI ? truth hurt?

No, and neither do fantasies and cartoons.

But thanks for your concern.

Soybeen, you have just proven exactly haw retarded you are.

Explain this "Sheer propaganda" then...I thought since you have trouble reading maybe a video would help...

Hardly concerned for you and your utopian wish.

How old are you guys? You sound about 13.

I don't mind exchanging a few barbs, if they are witty and amusing.

Yours aren't. Ramp it up a level if you want to play. This is boring.

Explain this "Sheer propaganda" if you can.

Persuade me. This is still boring.

Answer the question you were asked

"How old are you guys? You sound about 13.

I don't mind exchanging a few barbs, if they are witty and amusing. "..

Do you see how retarded you really are once you move those sentences close together

I think sobi is the bastard child of Blackie and Moderator...all talk and no substance.

Sobi is going to wiki so that she can check the video aganst her beliefs...

Sobi did post somethinng about googling newsgroups ,where the dialog would continue.Where is thsat site SOBI?If that's your real handle.

How's this workin out for ya SOBI? you sounde like a rational thinker a while back,,

sobi 13 days ago Report Abuse

Links (you can email the group rather than go online as well)

open-government---uncensored@googlegroups.com

http://groups.google.com/group/open-government---uncensored?hl=en

She probably just seen where somebody posted "Sheer propaganda" somewhere and thought this looked like a good place to try it out.

I don't know research her record of activity and like I said ,She seemed like a rational thinker.I'm going back to Molsons and whatch the race.

HAPPY FATHERS DAY !!

Democracy:

A government of the masses.

Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.

Results in mobocracy.

Attitude toward property is comunistic-negating property rights.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate. whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

Results in demagogism license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.

A certain Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."

A democracy is majority rule and is destructive of liberty because there is no law to prevent the majority from trampling on individual rights. Whatever the majority says goes! A lynch mob is an example of pure democracy in action. There is only one dissenting vote, and that is cast by the person at the end of the rope.

Republic:

Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.

Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.

Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.

A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.

Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of:

an executive and

a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create

a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize

certain inherent individual rights.

Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

A republic is a government of law under a Constitution. The Constitution holds the government in check and prevents the majority (acting through their government) from violating the rights of the individual. Under this system of government a lynch mob is illegal. The suspected criminal cannot be denied his right to a fair trial even if a majority of the citizenry demands otherwise.

Difference between Democracy and Republic, in brief:

Democracy:

a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority.

b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences

Republic

a: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

b: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

Democracy and Republic are often taken as one of the same thing, but there is a fundamental difference. Whilst in both cases the government is elected by the people, in Democracy the majority rules according to their whims, whilst in the Republic the Government rule according to law. This law is framed in the Constitution to limit the power of Government and ensuring some rights and protection to Minorities and individuals.

The difference between Republic and Righteous Republic is that in the Republic the Government rules according to the law set up by men, in the Righteous Republic the law is the Law of God. Only in the Righteous Republic it can truly be said "One nation under God" for it is governed under commandments of the only One True God and there is no pluralism of religions.

Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.

Mobocracy: 1. Political control by a mob. 2. The mass of common people as the source of political control.

I think that if they got this far they already seen the video...so quit with the posts that nobody is reading any more.

Rooster, thank you for the "The American Form of Government" search. I'm going to do it and send it off to several people.

Sobi, how could it be "sheer propaganda"? It's just defining the different types of governments. A better dialogue would have been to see how their description of a type of government was incorrect. To say it is "sheer propaganda" -- well, what is it trying to say that's propaganda? I'd like to know.

I watched enough to recognize exaggeration, black and white thinking, otherwise known as absolutes, and I arrived at the point where it said our side is 0% and their side is 100% and I knew it was not a reasoned political argument, it was propaganda.

It isn't hard to recognize. It wasn't even good propaganda. I've seen it done very well. This one is aimed at the unquestioning mind.

It is hardly arriving at the point where one could call it a definition of anything but the lowest common denominator.

Enjoy it. I don't care.

It is still stupid.

I wasn't shocked at the fact you got through 5% of the video and already thought you had it figured out...your kind tend to do that alot.

I would bet that your GPA reflects that as well...I know your post on here do.

Rooster,

You are a boob. If someone disagrees with you, and you immediately resort to name-calling, you are a child, but you are also a boob.

You are incompetent in any way to levy judgment on me.

You made yourself look bad and them blame me for pointing out...you should be thanking me for helping you. Maybe you will think before you post next time.

Look now I'm the one saying crazy things...you thinking...ha

I love boobs too...so that really had no effect on me at all...medium to medium/large are nice...36C or D on a 110 lbs 5'5" frame...

Rooster,

I can't read your mind. I haven't got a clue where you're coming from on that last post other than you continue to suffer a need to somehow condemn me because I disagree with you.

I'll still disagree. Why do you do it? It doesn't make you look smarter or better in any way.

Find a better response to the talionic impulse.

Oh yes, by all means...send this to Glenn Beck. LOL.

You said " I arrived at the point where it said our side is 0% and their side is 100%"..

Are you claiming to be a conservative? If you would have watched the video you would have seen the libtards were to the left(obviously) and the conservatives to the right(as they should be).

That should make your day to know that you are not as dumb as you thought you were...you can now blame it on dyslexia...you are not retarded any more...you are just backwards.

I was just kidding...you are every bit as retarded as I originally said you are...but you did see it wrong on the video.

I think maybe you should quit feeding back and forth with Rejean.

Not that is a truly stupid human being.

You called me a boob. I love boobs. No harm in calling me a boob...love em.

I don't mean you harm. I wanted your attention for a moment.

I'm serious about your choice of company. You are being pulled downward. It shows.

"Not that is a truly stupid human being"...

SEE THE IRONY IN YOUR POST??? DUH!!!

You were saying...

Right now my company is you...I think you might be on to something then...

Suit yourself.

It is still a stupid cartoon.

LOL

Do you know when to cut your losses...or will you let me continue to abuse you like this...you are not very bright no matter what your excuse is for it.

The other 95% of the video is the part that might change your life forever and you were too dumb to watch it because you thought you had already figured it out...it would be sad if I was right...you will never know though will ya.

sobi 9 hours ago

I think maybe you should quit feeding back and forth with Rejean.

Not that is a truly stupid human being.

Ahhhh,,I don't get it, duhh?

Rejean, at least she understood that she should cut her losses...even if it was me that told her to do it.

I'm reading still...and came across a word-"oligarchy "

I wanted to clarify: here is a thought of our future "hope" & "change"....

An oligarchy (Greek Ὀλιγαρχία, Oligarkhía) is a form of government in which power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society distinguished by royal, wealth, family, military or religious hegemony. The word oligarchy is from the Greek words for "few" (ὀλίγος olígos) and "rule" (ἀρχή arkhē). Such states are often controlled by politically powerful families whose children are heavily conditioned and mentored to be heirs of the power of the oligarchy. Oligarchies have been tyrannical throughout history, being completely reliant on public servitude to exist. Although Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich, for which the exact term is plutocracy, oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group. Some city-states from Ancient Greece were oligarchies.

sobi said: "I watched enough to recognize exaggeration, black and white thinking, otherwise known as absolutes, and I arrived at the point where it said our side is 0% and their side is 100% and I knew it was not a reasoned political argument, it was propaganda."

sobi, I didn't see anything in this short clip that said our side is anything and the other side is something. The clip was defining the different types of rule. I don't see where there was any propaganda in it.

Go to Google, type:

define: republic

Press enter.

Tell me what you see.

Sobi, please go to hell and type: define kissing Big Roosters ass and tell me what you see!

The point I was making was that Republic is a word that means:

Representative Democracy.

Representative democracy is not saying "my side is 100 percent and the other side is 0 percent."

Representative democracy does not mean that something is or is not propaganda.

You still haven't explained how this 10-minute take is propaganda like you said it was. I'd love you to break down this 10-minute video and say which part is propaganda.

If you'd like, I can give you the definition of "propaganda," if that would be helpful. I know sometimes people use words to criticize something even if they don't understand what those words mean.

That last post was meant for sobi. I forget to address it to him/her.

Sobi isn't real bright...she must have been shaken as a child.

Geez.... after catching up with all this drama... it seems to me whether or not you choose to see this as propaganda, it simply states and defines different forms of government. It would take a moron to not understand where we, as the USA fit in this picture NOW, and the potential that is cutrrently happening in our government. Cartoon? This is reality.

"Be afraid, be very afraid...."

What happened to our posts Big? UGH!

BTW--- Kids SHOULD care a LOT about this, and everything that's happening, as it will directly affect their future. All the liberal BS being spewed in high school/college, etc. I remember...

Thankfully, my parents taught me 'conservative' values, which have surfaced, stronger than ever...now that I am "grown". I guess that's what maturity is all about. :D

Is sobi a kid?

Sobi is a fat little girl that wears a protective helmet and rides on a short bus with tinted windows.

Ah, that must be the reason she uses words like "propaganda" when she really doesn't understand what words like that mean.

You forgot the mouthgaurd.So she does'nt lick the windows.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/8/an-open-letter-to-our-nations-leadership

Have you seen this?

What passport did UHBAMA use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ? How did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later??? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over UHbama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

A: Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel

under?

A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that UHbama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion: When UHbama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he

relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967..

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

Hmm well good thing we've figured out all the ways to govern a country, we're probably too stupid to think up new ones. Oh, and any nation that is too powerful becomes corrupted, whether theyre republic or democracy or whatever. Its pretty obvious the 'rule of law' hasn't kept in check the coke-blowing war criminals of the Bush administration or the bank-blowing ineptards of the Obama administration. Money and power rape every form of government.

If you learned nothing from it then you have already got it all figured out and understand it...great.

There are alot of people on here that have got much of this wrong. Now maybe they will better know that they are talking about.

If you can think of a better way to run a country by all meens do it because I would like to here it.

I like the CONSTITUTION>>> It's always worked.

We need to start by addressing all the "issues" honestly, and fairly. We are a government that should be ruled the CONSTITUTION, NOT by the elected officials special interests. They are supposed to be working for US, the LEGAL citizens of the UNITED States. Random thoughts:

1)I submit we VOTE on many of the measures being

brought up to Congress and the Senate. I for one, do NOT want UNIONS dictating labor laws. They are an antiquated entity, and should be abolished. The federal & each state's labor laws should be able to oversee and problems that arise. Check this out:

http://righttoworkcommittee.org/committeespvdpt2.htm

2) Stop supporting criminals.(i.e. ILLEGALS) Protect ur borders, and stop allowing benefits to anyone without LEGAL papers. NO Benefits, no lure to cross illegally. Get involved!

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

Extreme fines for employers hiring illegals.

3) Uphold the SECOND Amendment:

Rose, If you are married then you have one lucky man at home(I hate your man if you have one damn it)because it does my heart good to hear a conservative woman tell it like you do. If you don't live in Texas then you should.

Nope-Single...Big Rooster. Write me directly: same name at america online. Off to WORK (I have to support my local illegals and dead beats) UGH!

Have a great day!

Keep giving them HELL! :)