This is only the beginning...THYE ARE 1ST GOING TO VIOLATE OUR 1ST AMMENDMENT BY...Stopping Christian pastors from preaching and teaching certain things(homosexuality)with, the threat of prison...Stopping Americans from speaking out against terrorists that are dangerous to us( Islam)same as above
If that doesnt work....what do you think they will do next?
The same way they would deal with us......Only first...Thats what they are planning...
http://www.capveterans.com/presidential_election_2008/id4.html
http://www.nysun.com/opinion/kenya-connection/69273/
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The backlash is coming!
Thye know it thast why they are training militry to go after Americans in a time of "civil unrest"....Civil unrestthey just happen to be expecting...
You know we will be the enemy when we really are being the only patriots willing to fight for our country.
If a person is a communist, socialist, marxist, islamist I would run their asses out of the country and let them know that we are a republic with democracy and that it will be a crime to bring that crap into our country.
Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman
Liberty Counsel
A crucial hearing will take place next Thursday.
Please forward this message to your friends. --Mat
We just received word that President Obama's attorney general, Eric Holder, will appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee next Thursday in support of the anti-faith Hate Crimes bill.
This is a follow up to Attorney General Holder's statements earlier this week which amounted to nothing more than politically motivated fear-mongering.
It is clear what the Obama team is doing...
They are laying the political "cover" for the Senate to pass a Hate Crimes bill that gives special protections based on "sexual identity" while refusing to protect the religious liberties of millions of Americans!
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This new anti-faith Hate Crimes law isn't really about protecting anyone's rights. It is all about giving Holder's federal prosecutors more power to prosecute their version of political correctness!
We simply cannot sit by and let the Obama team dictate on this issue and paint Christians like you and me as evil doers and "haters" in this debate!
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More harm to personal liberty comes from the red menace concept than real dangers.
Political parties are to be protected and preserved, even when they are communist or christian.
Chistian is a state of mind not a political stance..meaning that if there were no politics there would still be Chistians. You do see the difference now, right?
If christianity is behind political groupings, then no--there is no difference.
They (Christians) have a right to the constitution and all of its right too...sometimes they have to fight for them.
By your definition everybody is a political group...just because they use their constitutional rights.
Christianity is a religion and Christians are a state of mind so yes there is a difference. I see you are confused about this so don't bother trying so hard to be right, and I won't bother trying to make you understand.
How would you, or how do you? I'm more concerned with the second ammendment. Without the 2nd we may not be able to protect the 1st!
Your fears are not well founded. Relax. Listen to the other side of things.
The "other side of things" is why we'd best not relax. Are you about to tell us that Obama really respects the 2nd amendment?
creeksneakers2 7 minutes ago
Your fears are not well founded. Relax. Listen to the other side of things--And I'll be right behind you the whole time with my hands on your hips forkin you hard,American.
tsiya: I think Obama would like more control of guns but knows its a losing issue and won't touch it. Many libs are tired of the idea because the Brady law didn't improve anything. Obama was a Constitutional law professor and I believe he believes in an interpretation of the Amendment that includes an individual right to own guns.
I believe some controls are consistent with the Second Amendment and I think Obama probably does too. For example, I believe its constitutional to confiscate guns from criminals and insane persons.
rejean: Dream on
No one has a problem with protecting society from felons and the insane. Other than that, however, most of the gun control laws now on the books are unconstitutional.There are obviously problems in some large cities, some people abuse freedom. Go after them to solve the problems, one way would be to allow decent citizens to effectively defend themselves. Stop blaming freedom for abuses of freedom, respect decent people, don't treat them like the barbarians who cause the problems.
Americans have an amazing record of responsible behavior involving firearms, the abusers are only a tiny minority.
Actually, I have a problem with that.
There are 4,500 felonies on the books that can turn anyone into a felon on a whim.
Who determines who is insane.
It is safer to omit qualifications than to attempt to make them reasonable.
Load up.
What a bunch of hysterics.
Ev, talking about it is not hysterical. Not talking about it makes you unprepared. Obama is leading us into an unknown zone and he is going too fast in a direction where I don't want to go. How can you possibly like the changes?!
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government
has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't
enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a
crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws."
-- Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged"
sobi: Its hard to determine who is insane and that rule is almost never enforced. Criminals are a different matter. If one were to carry the Second Amendment out to the absolute right of anyone anywhere to have guns then prisoners in state pens would be allowed to have guns.
Tsyia..AANd stop blaming mexican drug cartel violencr on Americans ,with balloned stats about US guns be the problem down there
Who is saying that convicted felons are protected by the 2nd amendment?
It is obvous that some people, including some politicians, are phobic when it comes to weapons. As with any phobia, it isn't rational or reasoned thinking when applied across the board.
It is also very obvious that while many people speak of "reasonable" gun laws, they are actually working toward a total ban.
The Founding Fathers had very good reason to provide us with the 2nd amendment. I'm of the mind that anyone who doesn't like it should just leave, Cuba may be just the place for them!
I'm for everyone having a loaded weapon on them.
A lot of conflict would just be blown away.
I've carried for 50 years now. It saved my life several times. My daughter and wife were saved from rape and possible death because my daughter had the revolver I gave her for a graduation gift in the glove box.
HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH THE COMMUNIST PARTY IN AMERICA?
Water board them.
not to get information mind you. I just want them to suffer.
Democracy:
A government of the masses.
Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.
Results in mobocracy.
Attitude toward property is comunistic-negating property rights.
Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate. whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.
Results in demagogism license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.
Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.
A certain Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."
A democracy is majority rule and is destructive of liberty because there is no law to prevent the majority from trampling on individual rights. Whatever the majority says goes! A lynch mob is an example of pure democracy in action. There is only one dissenting vote, and that is cast by the person at the end of the rope.
Republic:
Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.
Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.
Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.
A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.
Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.
Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.
A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of:
an executive and
a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create
a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize
certain inherent individual rights.
Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.
Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."
A republic is a government of law under a Constitution. The Constitution holds the government in check and prevents the majority (acting through their government) from violating the rights of the individual. Under this system of government a lynch mob is illegal. The suspected criminal cannot be denied his right to a fair trial even if a majority of the citizenry demands otherwise.
Difference between Democracy and Republic, in brief:
Democracy:
a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority.
b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences
Republic
a: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.
b: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.
Democracy and Republic are often taken as one of the same thing, but there is a fundamental difference. Whilst in both cases the government is elected by the people, in Democracy the majority rules according to their whims, whilst in the Republic the Government rule according to law. This law is framed in the Constitution to limit the power of Government and ensuring some rights and protection to Minorities and individuals.
The difference between Republic and Righteous Republic is that in the Republic the Government rules according to the law set up by men, in the Righteous Republic the law is the Law of God. Only in the Righteous Republic it can truly be said "One nation under God" for it is governed under commandments of the only One True God and there is no pluralism of religions.
Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.
Mobocracy: 1. Political control by a mob. 2. The mass of common people as the source of political control.
Nobody confuses a cut-and-paste spammer with an actual freedom fighter.
These long off-topic posts aren't relevant here and are too long to wade through to get to the point of the conversation. Stop posting them on EVERY topic!
They seem to be on a lot of topics
This 'idea' is about as crazy as "Bush did 9/11". ick. Conspiracy Theorists.
Bush WAS involved in the 9/11 invasion. He was the false front for a much larger group. Do some homework. Don't be so blind to conspiracies. They happen on many levels. Two people can form a conspiracy. 9/11 put us into a police state. Our personal records are being collected in the name of National Security. Guns are being threatened, civilians are being forced to volunteer for a militia. This is slavery from the conception. Wake up! The signs are all around. I don't think that the potential danger is going to happen overnight but it is esculating.
First off, You don't "deal" with communist, terrorist or islamist. They have all got it wrong and you should have already known that by now. You defend yourself from them at all cost because you and your families life and liberty are whats at stake.
How many on here are crazy enough to think that we as Americans have anything to do with them inbred islamic terrorist cutting innocent peoples hands and feet off because they won't convert to islam? Or their women getting stoned to death because they didn't cook a proper meal. Or even killing people that drink from the an islamic reserved cup...it is happening every day...even here in the USA we have honor killings...what ever that BS means.
They will do these things in the name of allah...and Iran was chanting "death to America and death to Israel" as of the last couple of days...what will it take to make ya'll see they are not and never will be our friends...we are nothing more than infidels to them and they are ordered to kill us as such...it is in their quran and they are retarded enough to carry it out.
Maybe ya'll didn't know that Saddam Hussein had cut off the heads of those that questioned him or was a threat to him and mounted them on post around the borders of his palace as a warning to others.
Go to atlasshrugs.com and see for yourself...but have a cast iron stomach to watch what these terrorist do...in my mind they are all fair game.
These are what Obama wants to play huggy kissy with...he is as retarded as the rest of the camel jockeys.
If there is anyone who should be worried about their opinions about Homosexuality being snuffed out, It's the homosexuals. When Christians finally understand that the power of love is more important that the love of power, The world will be at peace. If Christians can't except homosexuals as a group of people, that can be discriminated against like all groups of people, then they need to realize that just like Christians being fed to the wolves. It's still wrong to believe that Homosexuals do not deserve the respect as human beings just as Minorities and Religious groups deserve. If the First amendment is tred apon, then the Supreme court will have their say.
"When Christians finally understand that the power of love is more important that the love of power, The world will be at peace"...you haven't been keeping score then have you...Muslims love queers don't they? When was the last time you seen a Christian hang a queer? or better yet hang several queers at the same time? I could link ya up to some very recent queers being killed by your wonderful presidents Islamist buddies. And you thought Christians were bad.
Christians just know that queers are going against what the Bible says is right...period.
To be a queer is to choose to be that way or it is a birth defect. If they choose to be gay then they of course are going against the Holy Bible and it offends the Christians. And if they choose to be gay they should have no special rights from the government because they decided that going against procreation was what they wanted (now days going against nature is a big issue if you haven't noticed).
If it is the way they were born...well...they are defective and should be dealt with as a defect and studied and genetically repaired so that they really know who and what they really are. If it goes against procreation it has got to be bad...there is no room to debate that because you need to have both to survive no matter what.
Deserve respect? I thought respest was something you earned...not born with? How are you born with respect built in already? LOL!!!
Did you think this through before you posted? I don't see it if you did.
Personally, I'd hire a flaming queen with a good heart over a hateful christian any day of the week.
You forgot to add "if I ran a business"!
What about just a plain queer V a loving Christian?
The funny thing about loving Christians is that I don't see a lot of them on the internet.
I see a lot of the other kind.
Plain queers are fine, I prefer flaming queens. It is the entertainment factor. And I like in-your-face happiness.
Anything that interferes with the process of producing a viable next generation is counterproductive, for any species. Any lesser animal species than Homo sapiens would be well on the way to extinction by now, had it ignored natural law as man has. Some of you are big fans of evolutioonary theory, you'd best believe that a species can devolve as well, and become incapable of survival.
A family structure based on two parents, a male and a female, is an evolutionary development. It provides a better chance for the next generation than any other arrangement. Anything that threatens this is suicidal for the species.
Natural selection dictates that the strongest and smartest are the most successful breeders, we subsidize the weakest and less intelligent, so they now reproduce the fastest. You may call it tolerance, nature calls it insanity.
This isn't a religious thing, religions just adopted the obvious, from observation, natural laws, and codified it.
I don't hate homosexuals, but I sure don't see them as worthy of praise. Homosexuality simply isn't something to be encouraged, or put on a level with normal orientation.
God said love the sinner, not the sin. What you Christian bashers fail to realize is that organized religion and faith in God are not in the same category.
I am not a communist but I would like to see the "Christian Pastors" keep their mouths shut when it comes to government. They are the first to squeal like a stuck pig if the government interferes with thier religion.
DUH!!! They are supposed to do that!
You sound like a true Christian Republican. tsk tsk what a shame.
Sounds like you were not bright enough to know that the Christians (as well as anyone)should complain when they feel like their rights are being violated. tsk tsk what a shame...
What is the idea for this? I saw no solution just a statement of a problem.
You don't see this is a problem for the USA and we need to fix it? It's not hard to follow...keep up.
Again problem or not no solution or well defined problem was provided. So how is this and idea?
Lets say I have a monster in my closet. So what? What do you do about it? Are you offering milk and cookies to it? Are you offering to destroy the closet with explosives?
This was my first response...third one down.
"You know we will be the enemy when we really are being the only patriots willing to fight for our country.
If a person is a communist, socialist, marxist, islamist I would run their asses out of the country and let them know that we are a republic with democracy and that it will be a crime to bring that crap into our country."
LOL... To late for that. Our economy is gone. We have a Nazi like National Socialist Police State and you think you alone can "run thier asses out".
Dream on.
Do you have a real solution?
Like starting a militia and build weapon systems. Or something real? Or are you in Dream Land.
This was the question..."HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH THE COMMUNIST PARTY IN AMERICA?"..did ya get that?
It doesn't say by myself or that I would be limited in ideas or thoughts by anyone...does it? I didn't see it either. Maybe you should suggest a beginner opengov.ideascale course so you can get up to speed first...