OpenGov - Open Government Brainstorm

I hope clucker does get banned, I hate him.

Two questions,,

Why would the administrator be joining today when this site opened a while ago?

And,When is this site shutting down?

You only hate cause he has verbally smacked you and your feller apologizers all over the place.Your the one should get booted.

Yeah, you see the big blue and pink boxes up above? That's where real moderators make announcements.

Big Rooster, enough is enough.

When are you going to delete that porn?

spoofer thread. look at the join date.

Please stop calling me out. I want to work mah magic on a new group of crazies.

Would that be black magic?

only in monrikker's case...

moderator,

You are a BITCH for not doing anything you faker.

ooh...I'll moderate you so hard.

Then do it futbucker

Maybe the fake moderator is now a fake administrator...he might be a fake senator after that, or even a fake congressman...he can't be a fake president because we already have one of those.

DO IT MODERATOR YOU NIGGER, SLUT, WHORE, FUTBUCKER.

Oh, now that's just not cool...

Whats cool about you lying to everyone?

Me not being a moderator is every bit as obvious as you not being blackmonrikker.

It's for lulz, that's what's cool about it. And you know it.

But then you just took it too far. Not cool.

I have only been me on here...I have only one account and do not need to belittle myself like that.

I make my own humor and don't need to hide behind a fake name or title...unlike you.

You on the otherhand, have been found as fraud and can not be trusted.

"I don't need to hide behind a fake name or title." - Big Rooster

You've got to admit, that's pretty funny.

Did you just try to make being a liar "cool"? What a lunatic you have turned out to be.

This really makes the democratic liberal left look bad and you don't give a damn. I don't like their positions on politics but I could have never done the damage that you have done to them on here.

You are so afraid of the facts it hurts you.

You can't even admit simple mistakes. I came clean and you're still harping on it to avoid admitting your simple, undeniable errors.

Be a man, Rooster, and tell me that you know you used fallacious reasoning in your argument yesterday.

You should ' nt be surprised to see them confirm what is allready known by normal people.We need more of them to come out before 2010

No, we need moar birfers! Joseph Farah for prezident!

WEARS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE???

If his name was Joseph Farakhan we probably get them

I will admit to you being a liar...which is a product of low self esteem. What is it that's eating at you? Are you over weight? Always picked last in sports? Kids at school picked on you all the time?

Your questions to me about politics or anything else are moot because you are a liar.

I still stand on my previous statements and opinions...

Blackie and I have pretty much came to that conclusion a while back while you were busy telling your lies. You have nothing to ask of me that I have not already answered.

Now be gone liar.

Moderator and to some degree Blackmanlikker need to have this read to them.

The following steps are to be enacted by the recovering Obama supporter with the assistance of a compassionate conservative:

1. Establish honesty in admitting failure – this is very difficult thing for a liberal. Ones that invested so much time, effort and money in the Obama campaign will find it difficult to admit that their dedication was misguided. Conservatives must allow the recovering Obamaniac to vent about why they felt their original love for Him didn’t turn out to be the flowering garden of love and fairness they envisioned. Like all jilted former admirers, recovering supporters will feel foolish, so it is important to not bring further embarrassment upon them. Just admitting the failure is progress enough for step one.

2. Show faith in a higher power – Recovering Obama supporters have an aversion to discussing faith issues, so this is another difficult step. Avoid telling the former Obama worshiper the importance of believing in God, but focus instead on the fact that Obama turned out not to be God. Recovering from liberalism frequently requires admission that there might actually be a kind and loving God and this by itself is a huge leap. Once again “baby steps” are the objective. Just getting the recovering Obama supporter to admit that Obama is not God might be all the progress one can make.

3. Assist in surrender of control – Obama supporters at one time believed that government control of industry and finance would create a more fair and just society. Instead, it created unemployment and soon-to-come inflation. Still, a recovering Obamniac does not at his core, believe in freedom. Freedom of action, speech and especially of others to own firearms is terrifying to a liberal. Take the recovering Obama supporter to coffee and explain that freedom is the right to choose between a non-fat vanilla latte and a mocha cappuccino. The choice is not threatening. It also isn’t threatening that the guy in front of you ordered a drink he despises. The assisting conservative can then carry the conversation on to the issue of free markets. Without surrendering to a free market, there can be no prosperity – or at least the ability to choose what one orders at Starbucks.

4. Help in taking a personal moral inventory – Liberals absolutely hate this. They would much rather take someone else’s moral inventory and point out the errors of someone else’s ways. Pointing out others’ faults is a trait Democrats cultivate in their followers. Looking for failures within themselves is foreign and threatening. The conservative must be patient and stick to the evidence in discussing topics. A good start is to initiate a conversation regarding why the inevitable inflation next year will be Obama’s cruel tax on the middle class. Obama supporters will connect with the word ‘cruel’ as they are concerned about the future of America’s middle class. When evidence mounts that the conservative position has proven correct, the Obama-type may become frustrated and emotional. Conservatives must continue to bring up factual evidence. Unless the Obamican is brain-dead, this tactic will eventually pay off.

5. Encourage admission that the previously held belief was incorrect – Recovering Obama supporters wrestle mightily with this step. Admission that any previously held belief was incorrect is taken in most liberal minds as a personal defeat. Politics with Democrats is personal. Admission of poor judgment is not something they would choose to make public. Completion of this step might involve admitting to the conservative that he/she ‘may’ have been wrong. A liberal using the word ‘may’ in this context must be read as a definite admission of the wrong. Democrats never admit an error.

6. Help recovering Obama supporter accept defects in judgment – This is where it really gets difficult. Admitting a single error is difficult enough. Admission to a defective judgmental process is entirely different. Field evidence must be used as it was in Step 3, only this time; it is a much more lengthy discussion. A recommended scheme is to discuss the Carter years and why they led to double digit unemployment, interest rates and inflation. Follow this with a discussion on how Reagan was the President to defeat LBJ’s inflationary cycle and restore economic growth, as well as laying the groundwork for defeating the Soviet Union. This is a detailed discussion, so it will be difficult to hold the liberal’s attention for that long.

7. Help restore humility – During the campaign, Obama supporters were anything but humble in their wild support for a community organizer. Looking back, they completely embarrassed themselves. The assisting conservative should point out that it was easy to follow along with such a dynamic speaker and campaigner, but the real measure of maturity is to learn from the experience. Liberals refer to every mistake as a ‘learning experience.’

8. Establish a willingness to make amends – Gaining an Obama supporter’s willingness to vote for someone other than a Democrat is challenging. Simply point out that since Obama is in office damaging the country for perhaps an entire generation, swift and significant counteraction will be necessary to prevent prolonged economic disaster. After all, a liberal doesn’t want to be blamed for anything, especially while waiting to cash the unemployment check.

9. Assist the Obamican in giving and finding forgiveness – Liberals actually like forgiving others. They aren’t quite so fond of asking forgiveness for themselves. Conservatives must coax this out into the open by making the sting of Obamanomics personal. If the Obama supporter is currently unemployed, this should be easy.

10. Help recovering supporter maintain his progress – Recovering Obama supporters will burn up an incredible amount of personal energy trying to understand why His policies failed. Usually, Democrats fall back on the tried and true method of blaming others. However, with no Republican presence in Congress, Democrats have full responsibility for the condition of the country and won’t be able to logically blame someone else. Encouraging the former Obama worshiper to continue exploring free markets and conservative thought is a continuous effort.

11. Help develop an action plan – Democrats love action plans. They love to make them and assign the difficult actions (like paying taxes) to others. That way they can blame others when the effort produces unintended consequences. Conservatives can get past this by involving the former Obamaniac in regular discussions of inflation, money supply theory and other detailed conservative principles. Recovering Obama supporters will need this level of detail to defend themselves when they go to their weekly book club meeting.

12. Encourage recovering lefty to follow through on action plan – The Obama supporter that realizes he has been hoodwinked into voting for a snake oil salesman will still have to confront those that still consume the Obama Kool-Aid. Making her/his newfound understanding of conservative principles public will be terrifying at first. Conservatives can help by asking probing questions in public. Questions such as: ‘why will there be rapid inflation in 2010?’ will allow the recovering Obamniac to look knowledgeable among his peers. It may also generate an entirely new crop of liberals who wish to throw off the bounds of Obama worship. The conservative assistant may quickly find many in need of his services

especially ideas 5,6,and 7

Amen to that rejean!

See the white house may be coming around.

WHITE HOUSE ADMITS AMERICANS WILL BE FORCED OUT OF THEIR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PLANS

ASSOCIATED PRESS: “WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS SUGGEST THE PRESIDENT’S RHETORIC SHOULDN’T BE TAKEN LITERALLY”

June 19, 2009 | House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) | Permalink

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has already made clear that millions of Americans would be forced to give up the health coverage they currently have under the Democrats’ plan. Today, the White House CONFIRMED this is true.

President Obama and congressional Democrats have made repeated promises that the American people “can keep their current health care coverage if they like it.” But an Associated Press story this morning reports that White House officials admitted that isn’t true:

“White House officials suggest the president’s rhetoric shouldn’t be taken literally …”

Dallas Salisbury, head of the Employee Benefit Research Institute, called Obama's promise “an aspirational statement” in the same story. Middle-class families have every right to be concerned about losing their health care, and the facts show that the Democrats’ government takeover of health care will force millions out of their current health plan.

House Republicans have a better solution, and our plan ensures that all Americans who like their health care coverage can actually keep it. The plan outlined by the House GOP Health Care Reform Solutions Group, led by Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO), is designed to:

Make quality health care coverage affordable and accessible for every American, regardless of pre-existing health conditions.

Protect Americans from being forced into a new government-run health care plan that would eliminate the health care coverage that more than 100 million Americans currently receive through their job.

Let Americans who like their health care coverage keep it, and give all Americans the freedom to choose the health plan that best meets their needs.

Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats.

Improve Americans’ lives through effective prevention, wellness, and disease management programs, while developing new treatments and cures for life-threatening diseases.

For information on the House GOP health care reform proposal, visit the House GOP Health Care Solutions Group website HERE. For more information on the Democrats’ government takeover of health care, visit http://healthcare.gopleader.gov.

tl;dr

sorry.

rejean, every where these ass jockeys go they lie and make up what they think you want to hear...never the truth. That is what got this ass suck in the oval office isn't it?

I still have faith that when 2010 and 2012 comes around we will have such a list of things to hold them accountable for, they will never let a liberal or democrat in office for years to come.

Rooster, it's very telling that you cannot admit that your argument rests on obviously fallacious reasoning.

Moderate this,,,,,,Just admitt your a forkhead troll and go away

I think I already did that.

Doesn't change the fallacy upon which Rooster built his argument, does it?

If he sincerely admits it, I'll leave the board and never come back.

It is very telling that you a poser and liar and that I answer nothing to a liar. It is also telling that nobaody here has stepped up to defend you or stop me...what does that tell you.

You go hang out with your mom upstairs in the kitchen and get her opinion because you want to ask questions sbout opinions and not facts...be sure to put your pants on before you leave the basement.

I know you wouldn't leave because you are a liar so STFU and go away!!!

You can't deny it, yet you can't admit it.

How sad...

I would be offended by that but I just consider the source...

This is not good therapy for your self esteem problem.

Come on...

1. If P then Q

2. not P

3. Therefore not Q

1`0 votes and 39 comments.Way to question and not just vote to be voting.

If this is true there are more than just those two need banning.Attacking people about their opinion's and belittling what is important because they think its not.Like the constitution.The most important thing there is in America.And every word in it also.If you have nothing of substance to add to an idea you need to just stfu.Ok so some people may lose their jobs shilling on site.But so what.They are a drain on the economy anyway.Non productive and no profit to be made by it.Only propoganda to cover up the truth.

TRUTH RULES LIES DIE!

Blackie ,he's talkin to ya,Creep?

You missed it entirely if you think this was about anything but a poser named "moderator" that was going around making threats about banning people and making false claims as to what he was doing to help people on here as a moderator...basically be a punk assed liar. I won't be threatened by punks like him that get a kick out of telling lies and acting like he is on a pedestal.

Anyone who lies obviously can not be trusted...and when you are on a site like this, all you have is your word. His words were lies to everyone on here.

Administrator,

You need to get that "we" thing looked at.

There are medications for such things.

rejean:

" Liberals refer to every mistake as a ‘learning experience.’"

I couldn't agree more with your observation that liberals love to find out they are wrong. That's not true of the radicals and far lefties, but its true for most of us. Where conservatives see black and white liberals see nuance. To maintain nuance, one must engage in an ever evolving world view. New facts must be taken in, old ones discarded. I love to find out I'm wrong, because that means I'm learning something and improving my world view. (I also love to be right because it gives me an ego rush)

Some people adjust their world views to what they see. Some people adjust what they see to their world views. The latter is necessary to maintain a black and white world. The person who cannot admit he's wrong learns nothing, and remains ignorant for his whole life. The people who are least likely to admit they are wrong are therefore the people who are most likely to actually be wrong.

To overcome ignorance we must be open minded and share ideas with those who are different from us. Sharing requires equality. Otherwise, at most only one party will learn and even that is unlikely. Who does not feel disrespected when somebody claims to know it all but doesn't listen? Who can learn from such a person? So I think you should have included listening and keeping an open mind among the tactics you've suggested for changing liberal minds.

I've noticed that delusions of superiority and inflexible minds go together. The delusion of superiority is what the inflexible person really wants, not a discussion or a chance to learn and share. If the delusional finds he is incorrect, he'll lose his delusion of superiority. He can't afford to do that.

I'll share something with you. You write, "A recommended scheme is to discuss the Carter years and why they led to double digit unemployment, interest rates and inflation." I agree that there were double digit interest and inflation rates. But I disagree about unemployment. I don't see how I can be wrong on this one.

Here are the official records from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The Bureau is by far the most authoritative source for unemployment rates. Its run by career bean counters, so their work can't just be passed off as a "liberal deception." Their data is also shared with the world and scrutinized intensely by critics. Its also revised when flaws are found. Here's the link:

http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm

If you are open minded enough to look, you'll see that in the two years before Jimmy Carter took office the average unemployment rates were: 1975 - 8.5% , 1976 - 7.7%. Jimmy Carter took office in 1977. The unemployment rate fell then to 7.1%. It fell further in 1978 - 6.1% and 1979 - 5.8%. In Carter's last year, 2000, the rate climbed back to 7.1%, the same as Carter's first year but still lower than the worst years under Gerald Ford. The rate never went into double digits under Carter.

Did Reagan get unemployment back down? Not for a long time. In 1981 the rate went up to 7.6%. It 1982 it climbed all the way to 9.7% and stayed at 9.6% through 1983. In 1984 and 1985 the rates were 7.5% and 7.2%. It wasn't until Reagan's sixth year in office that he produced an unemployment rate lower that the highest under Carter. It was then one tenth of a percent lower at 7.0%. It wasn't until Reagan's last year, that he produced a rate lower than the lowest rate under Carter. 1988 clocked in at 5.5%.

Even though the real facts are right there on the web from the official source, I expect conservatives would have a hard time accepting that the average unemployment rate was higher under Reagan than it was under Carter, or that unemployment went up under Reagan's first years. Ideologies create their own myths and pound them into followers heads by repeating the same false information over and over. The more one believes, the harder it is to accept reality, like you said about liberals.

Over the years I've become convinced that right wing conservatives can't accept facts that conflict with their ideology. Please drop a response here if you can conclude you were wrong about the unemployment rates under Carter. I'd love to learn I'm wrong about right wing conservatives.

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I can't speak for right wing conservatives .I'm an Independant since 83

You start out by recommending the assistance of a "compassionate conservative." The rest of the essay didn't sound like the objective was to turn liberals into independents. The word conservative was used a few times after the first.

Nice dodge though. What do you think about the unemployment rate under Carter?

Creepsneaker

You’re still a lying fool as pointed out previously by Big Rooster

I try to not respond to stupid people when I drink,,Molson Export ,better then the good stuff. No dodging

“evolving world view”-Socialism has never worked.There is no nuance here ,either you are free to fail or you work in collective .

“The person who cannot admit he's wrong learns nothing, and remains ignorant for his whole life” Good observation .see above

“To overcome ignorance we must be open minded and share ideas with those who are different from us. Sharing requires equality” This sounds like From each according to their ablilty ,to each according to their need Commie.

“So I think you should have included listening and keeping an open mind among the tactics you've suggested for changing liberal minds”. Good advice,use it

I've noticed that delusions of superiority and inflexible minds go together. The delusion of superiority is what the inflexible person really wants, not a discussion or a chance to learn and share. If the delusional finds he is incorrect, he'll lose his delusion of superiority. He can't afford to do that-Once again good advice ,use it.

But I disagree about unemployment. I don't see how I can be wrong on this one.May as well go way back and use unenjoyment rates from FDR and his push towards socialism in the great depression .Forced unionism is not good and stifles ability to create wealth fotr the common folk.

Over the years I've become convinced that right wing conservatives can't accept facts that conflict with their ideology-

You should try getting off the campus for a while and work in the real world where people gain real world experience.

There sure is a lot of identity fraud surrounding this Presidency!

There sure is a lot of ,,

fraud surrounding this Presidency!

There I fixxed it for ya.