After the POTUS's last trip to Hawaii, the Gov of Hawaii ordered his Birth Records, sealed. Why would she do this? Is this the Transparency Obonga espouses?
The lame COLB does not disclose the attending physician, or the witness's signatures either. It's lacking every which way you look at it, unless you are a Jonestown BLIND FOLLOWER.
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"After the POTUS's last trip to Hawaii, the Gov of Hawaii ordered his Birth Records, sealed. Why would she do this?"
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What is your evidence the Republican Governor of Hawaii did any such thing? Do you have a link showing this ever happened?
You betcha: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174
Any other Jonestowners that don't like the WND source can simply do a google search to find hundreds of other announcements of the Hawaiian Gov's assistance in hiding the deceiver's true origins.
As per your source, the birth certificate is not sealed, it is available to "the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant."
Or if you insist on the term "sealed" then would you agree that every birth certificate in the state of Hawaii is "sealed"?
As per this idea's title; "Is this openess & Transparency?", If our benevolent leader is for Transparency, why would he deny "We, the People" or at least millions of us the right to know our president is eligible to hold the office he now occupies?
Moderator, you are correct, every birth certificate in Hawaii is closed except to the person it belongs to. If this were the law of the land, how in the world could we verify a person to be a "Natural Born U.S. Citizen". For God sakes, millions of little boys have to provide their Birth Certificate to be eligible to play Little League Baseball! Would you deny that the office of the President of the United States is more important to it's electorate than something as lowly as obtaining a driver's license, or playing amateur sports?
I hope that the moderator goes back for a second glass of that Hawaiian punch...
John,
You said "After the POTUS's last trip to Hawaii, the Gov of Hawaii ordered his Birth Records, sealed."
Do you now agree that your statement is inaccurate (or at least misleading)?
I submit that my statement that the Gov of Hawaii DID order Obama's birth records sealed. The hundreds of news stories, published, prove this fact.
Why, Moderator, do you think that "We, the People" should not be entitled to see our president's birth cerfiticate? I hope your answer won't be "It's none of our business".
Executive Order 13233
Executive Order 13233[1] limited access to the records of former United States Presidents. It was drafted by then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and issued by George W. Bush on November 1, 2001. Section 13 of Order 13233 revoked Executive Order 12667 which was issued by Ronald Reagan on January 18, 1989.
The Order was partially struck down in October 2007, and Barack Obama completely revoked it, by Executive Order 13489[2] on January 21, 2009, his first full day in office. However, as long as no bill is passed by Congress with regard to this issue, any future president is free to issue yet another order to take the place of the revoked order 13233, just as Order 13233 revoked Order 12667.
Obama has no trouble making the past transparent. The present.....
Do you acknowledge that your statement is misleading, as any Hawaiian birth certificate would be ordered to be sealed?
Moderator, leave people alone you poser...go tell your lies to another website...you are not a mod.
I admit only that you, Moderator, will do any and everything to protect Obama's true origins. Again, I ask "What's transparent" about refusal to provide "We, the People" with proof of his eligibility.
You will not admit it, but will you deny that your statement is misleading, as any Hawaiian birth certificate would be ordered to be sealed?
"After the POTUS's last trip to Hawaii, the Gov of Hawaii ordered his Birth Records, sealed. Why would she do this?"
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Thank you, but your link isn't working for me.
Would you mind posting the bit of text on which you base your above claim, if it indeed proves the Governor of Hawaii sealed the President's records after his last trip to Hawaii?
If it's somebody's personal opinion you're posting because it is supporting your own personal opinion -- never mind, then.
Admit that you are a liar and a poser you so called "moderator"...do that you damn liar.
Don't ask "moderator" to tell you the truth because he won't do anything but tell lies...he told everyone on here that he is a moderator and he is nothing but a poser.
Big Rooster,
How could any of your allegations possibly affect the misleading nature of the claim that the "Gov of Hawaii ordered [Obama's] Birth Records,[sic] sealed"?
"the misleading nature of the claim" is you telling everyone on here you were a real mod when you are in fact nothing more than a red assed liar and only hoping that I might get kicked by a real one...so STFU! Is that so hard to understand?
In short, your allegations could not possibly affect the misleading nature of the claim that the "Gov of Hawaii ordered [Obama's] Birth Records,[sic] sealed".
The opinion of a liar has no merit with me.
John and Big Rooster,
If you lived in Hawaii and I requested your birth certificate from the Department of Health, would they "order" that your "birth certificate" (i.e. COLB) be "sealed"?
I you were a moderator would you let me call you out like I have? STFU, you have nothing of importance to say.
One cannot "seal" that which is already not publicly accessible.
The statement that Gov. Lingle (a conservative Repub, by the way, and a friend of Sarah Palin) took some special action with regard to the PResident's birth certificate is pure baloney. She and her DOH staff are just following the law of the state.
A recent press conference confirmed that Hawaiian birth certificate officials receieved no special orders on how to handle Obama's birth certificate.
Transparency means open government. It doesn't mean an obligation to endlessly feed unsatifiable fanatics with documents they will only ignore.
What ever liar...STFU creek.
Not only have "We, the People" not been allowed to see the deceiver's Birth Certificate, but it becomes more telling each day that passes that NO Dr that delivered him, nor any witnesses to his Hawaian birth have "Come out" to dispell these rumors of his not being a natural born citizen of America.
FLASH ! Backup contingent plan #225221
Just in case the Birthers get too close to discovery what will I do?
Mr. President, no problem. plan #225221 will enlist North Korea to fire a long range missile at Hawaii and make sure that the long form birth certificate is destroyed permanently.
Problem solved, end of subject !!!!
That would right after he gives all of the right wing conservatives and Christians free tickets to go to Hawaii disguised as part of the stimulus plan.
Democracy:
A government of the masses.
Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.
Results in mobocracy.
Attitude toward property is comunistic-negating property rights.
Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate. whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.
Results in demagogism license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.
Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.
A certain Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."
A democracy is majority rule and is destructive of liberty because there is no law to prevent the majority from trampling on individual rights. Whatever the majority says goes! A lynch mob is an example of pure democracy in action. There is only one dissenting vote, and that is cast by the person at the end of the rope.
Republic:
Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.
Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.
Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.
A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.
Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.
Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.
A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of:
an executive and
a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create
a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize
certain inherent individual rights.
Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.
Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."
A republic is a government of law under a Constitution. The Constitution holds the government in check and prevents the majority (acting through their government) from violating the rights of the individual. Under this system of government a lynch mob is illegal. The suspected criminal cannot be denied his right to a fair trial even if a majority of the citizenry demands otherwise.
Difference between Democracy and Republic, in brief:
Democracy:
a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority.
b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences
Republic
a: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.
b: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.
Democracy and Republic are often taken as one of the same thing, but there is a fundamental difference. Whilst in both cases the government is elected by the people, in Democracy the majority rules according to their whims, whilst in the Republic the Government rule according to law. This law is framed in the Constitution to limit the power of Government and ensuring some rights and protection to Minorities and individuals.
The difference between Republic and Righteous Republic is that in the Republic the Government rules according to the law set up by men, in the Righteous Republic the law is the Law of God. Only in the Righteous Republic it can truly be said "One nation under God" for it is governed under commandments of the only One True God and there is no pluralism of religions.
Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.
Mobocracy: 1. Political control by a mob. 2. The mass of common people as the source of political control.