For anyone who is really interested in the facts of the meaning of "natural born citizen" as required by the Constitution, listed below are some links which will enlighten the reader. However, some individuals posting here prefer to just trade insults rather than look into the research. The meaning of the phrases "natural born citizen" and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are supremely important as any honest seeker attempts to learn whether or not Mr. Obama is eligible to the office of POTUS. If he is not a "natural born citizen", he is ineligible. The nasty insults are a bore and waste of time and indicate those tossing them really aren't looking for the truth. I won't spend more time reading them.
Some folks suggest going to snopes for info, but are apparently unaware that "snopes" is a man and wife in LA (she a housewife, he a web designer), Democrat supporters of Obama. It appears that they tend to spin negative information about him. Read that site if you want, but understand the inherent bias. I've worked on research of the "eligibility" issue for a year (with great info from many others) and I challenge you to read all the historical research on the following sites with an honest attitude for the facts of "natural born citizen."
Natural-Born is Nationality from Natural Law. It is determined by the father at birth, from which all rights of birth and inheritance flow. Barack Obama's father was a Kenyan British colonial. Read Vatttel's Law of Nations.
Natural-Born Citizen, A person born within the jurisdiction of a national government.
Black's Law Dictionary, 17th Ed. (1999)
Naturalized-Citizen, A foreign born [or born of foreign parentage] who attains citizenship by law. Black's, 17th Ed (1999)
The legislative definition of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was defined as "not owing allegiance to any other."
In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and NOT SUBJECT to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”
Rep. Bingham, commenting on Section 1992, said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parentS (plural) NOT OWING allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen”.
Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee when the 14th Amendment was written said,
"... 'all persons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens'... that means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof'.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof'? NOT OWING allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."
Emerich de Vattel was a historic writer on the law, from whom the framers drew their understanding. Following is from his Law of Nations.
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of PARENTS who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. NOTE THE PLURAL- TWO PARENTS who are citizens.
Statutes covering foreign birth, or birth to a foreigner, are Naturalization laws as they provide for the revocation of that alien nationality. Statutes cannot create or redefine Natural-Born, an immutable condition occurring from two U.S. citizen parents. http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/barack-hussein-obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/
National law prevented the creation of conflicting dual citizenships between other nations' citizens. The simple fact that Obama had a foreign father removes the possibility of Natural Born status.
If he was born in the US, he would still be ineligible for the office, due to the fact that his father was a Kenyan, a British subject, which citizenship passed to Obama at birth.
Obama was born with a split allegiance and is therefore ineligible to be a "natural born" citizen. This split allegiance becomes evident in his interference in the political affairs of Kenya and the Mideast, while declaring himself to be a "citizen of the world." The founders of our country specifically intended that only one whose sole allegiance is to the United States would be eligible to serve in the presidency.
From Fightthesmears website-
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire.
As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948.
That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."
The Constitution is the supreme law of the US and the intent and meaning of the writers of that document is today's law. They defined "natural born citizen" and Mr. Obama, having been under allegiance to Britain at his birth, cannot meet the test
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/stand-by-me/
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/04/article-ii-natural-born-citizen-mean.html
http://volokh.com/posts/1204265246.shtml
8 USC 1409(c) regarding out-of-wedlock birth, re possible citizenship from mother (1961 version- the current one is revised and different)
http://theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn/htm or go to home page, on the left, click on TOF and choose the topic Natural Born
Comments (7)
This information is spreading to more and more every day.
Americans will not sleep forever
Great post. Thanks.
Good post, it is what the law says not what people would like it to be,
Republic = rule of law
Democracy = rule of the mob
We are now seeing mob rule in cases of Chrysler and General Motors as the Union is taking over these companies and those that provided the capital for the companies are being thrown to the wind. No one will support any company if they commit value to it and then have it stolen by another.
The American people of been robbed of 2.7 trillion in the value of their money by the dilution of the currency in the last 12 months, both parties are responsible for this, when bread gets to be a $1000 a loaf the undeducated masses will be quick to choose their messiah by popular vote.
Another country did the same thing a few years ago and lot of people died to stop that plan, but the plan continues and we are getting the final chapter..it is all about blinders on some who continue to refuse to see.
Oh the xeophobia, bigotry and fear.
What you're actually saying is that a Native American who also has citizenship in his tribe, is not eligible to be President, even though his ancestors have been in this country longer than your ancestors were, and he was born with U.S. Citizenship.
That's ridiculous.
Look at 8 USC 1401, which defines those who are citizens. Paragraph (a) specifies that a person born in the US to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleution or other aboriginal tribe is a citizen. But this section of the code does not deal with the specific need to be a "natural born citizen." The Constitution sets this as an absolute requirement and as outlined above, the writers of that document and the 14th Amendment defined that term. If a native American meets the terms of those documents, including having two US citizen parents, he or she would, I assume, qualify.
Perhaps reading the various historical writings at the sites referenced above will help understanding.
Strange read
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dunstvangeet wrote:
What you're actually saying is that a Native American who also has citizenship in his tribe, is not eligible to be President, even though his ancestors have been in this country longer than your ancestors were, and he was born with U.S. Citizenship.
That's ridiculous.
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lol
I do not know how you came up with this one from reading anything written here.
Good info citar