OpenGov - Open Government Brainstorm

Where's the smoking gun.???!??...

Oh wait, this is a valid issue.

Sorry...

This is for corporations who are taking taxpayer money.

Bailouts shouldn't happen, but they did. It is obvious that the upper ranks shouldn't take taxpayer dollars and build personal swimming pools with them.

sobi, you're saying this pay CZAR is ONLY going to govern what someone is paid that works in a company that got a bailout?

If that is the case, once that bailout is paid, is the pay CZAR no longer controlling how much is made by that company?

P.S. We should not have bailed out any company. But now that we have, I ALMOST agree -- I'm not entirely sure yet -- that we should monitor pay. But I don't want the pay CZAR's authority going outside a company that hasn't gotten a bailout.

IT IS CALLED SOCIALISM MIXED WITH COMMUNISM AND A WHOLE LOT OF LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC LOVE FOR OBAMA.

Sad thing is...the idiots that voted for this still know nothing about what it is Obama doing because they thought history was a dumb class they had to take in school.

the clucker is back.

Rooster, there's appearing to be a lot of truth to what you're saying.

I'm getting so disgusted by the day. I can't believe people are actually accepting this stuff without being totally upset.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask both Black and Rooster not to say any personal insults. :)

Should both of you choose to take on this mission, perhaps you can each go five posts without ANY personal insults. :)

blackmonrikker, I knew I could smell afrosheen...and then there you are.

Give it a rest bro.

Sorry. I had already pulled the trigger.

I agree with Big Rooster. I am an old, educated lady, never smoked pot or did drugs, so capable of rational thinking as well. Obama wants to be king and rule over everybody. Appointing Czars over the 'underlings' is just part of his New World Order plans. He is forcing money on groups that do not want it, so he can have the control over them. Say goodbye to the good ol' USA as my generation knew it. I feel sorry for you brain dead clucks. I only wish my children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren weren't going to have to pay for your stupidity and live in the world created by your stupidity.

fgstone, very well put.

fgstone, very well said.

I chose years ago not to have children for a myriad of reasons. Today I'm so glad I made that choice. My heart goes out to all the young today that will be paying for all of this for years to come.

does any know how much this czar is gonna be paid with our tax money? Why is it that the govt. is on a hiring spree while the rest of the country is cutting jobs and scaling back spending? AMAZING

Nobody knows because all of the czars are only to answer to God...uh..er..Obama.

wbb, I'm going to start a discussion with your question. It's a good one.

I don't know what he is being paid, and your point about after all the money is paid back will the position still exist is a valid one. I don't know.

My personal experience though is that once a position is created, only private industry removes them when no longer needed.

The Romanov dynasty appointed, I believe 16 "Czars" starting in the 1600's and it failed for three centuries.... Our supreme Messiah has, at least, matched that number and I think his "Czar" number stands at 18 at this date. These Czars have little or no oversight, make decisions at the direction of the POTUS and worst of all our Messiah gets to skirt the Constitution of the USA with obscure decisions. The man is driving this country to the brink of disaster. The individuals rights are being diminished.

Obama is mindful of an analogy whereby he is making out in the back seat with a sweetheart (USA citizens) and telling her "don't worry honey, I'll only stick the tip in.....} Stay tuned....

Hairlip, that explains why is doesn't seem to bother the liberals so much...they are used to taking it in the pooper.

Something has to be done about the CEOs that to rip off shareholders, I can see a CEO or board member making 2 to 10 times more than a skilled producer, but hunreds of times more is notthing less than theft.

Compensation needs to be tied to performance, and based on real, not contrived profits and revenues. The "invisible hand" of the free market failed to regulate this, hence the reason the governmennt had to intercede.

We need to watch, wait and see before we rush to judgement on this, folks....you don't want socialism? Let's get rid of Medicare, Social Security and Unemployment then? What about the FDIC?

Bob, You know it was a lot more than that...the democratic ran senate and congress sold us out so that they could get a black president in office with out a fight...anyone that comes against him is a racist. Do you need a list of Democrats that made all of this happen?

Let me see now. I worked all my life with deductions taken out of my paychecks to cover those things for me. How can you call those services socialism? Where did you go to school, or then, perhaps you have never had a real paycheck and know how these things work. Incidentally, in over 50 years of working and supporting myself and 5 young children after the untimely death of their father, I never had a penny of welfare, a food stamp, or ever drew on my unemployment compensation. And now that I am in my 70's, I am entitled to the Medicare & SS benefits I received, based on what I paid into it. Go take another puff on your bong!

Big Rooster -

The legislature doesn't elect the President. The Electoral College does, based in part on the popular vote.

fgstone -

In a pure free-market environment, there would be NO GOVERNMENT RUN PROGRAMS - every thing would be privatized. When the government redistributes private earnings for public programs, that's socialism. Stop thinking in abstract absolutes.

Bob, I guess that by making it out that Bush caused all of this didn't help the cause? You are being to simple Bob.

My understanding is that America was 46 percent Socialist 20 years ago. Before Obama came in, we were 57 percent Socialist.

I would take a guess that after 100 days of Obama we're most likely at 70 percent Socialist and gaining quickly.

We are a Republic. We are not a Democracy, so there will be some social programs. But I want those social programs to stay as minimial as possible.

Democracy....

A decision made by the votes of two wolves and a sheep as to the fate of the sheep.

Big Rooster -

I don't purport to place the blame for all of our problems on the actions of our previous administration. There are too many factors involved.

csrbev -

I've got to concur withr your points. Yes, we are a Republic--we don't all gather in the town square to vote on each piece of national legislation, that's why we elect representatives to do so for us by proxy. I agree that once social programs are established, even with the best of intentions, they are often mismanaged and abused.

We need more government oversight (regulation), not direct control.

Hey, Bob! What csrbev said about Republic and Democracy and Socialism rings true. I echo Rooster's comments to you.

Actually, he is proposing that on an annual basis that company stock holders have the right to vote in a non-binding resolution on the pay the CEO recieves. Do you think that a CEO who's company is losing money shoule recieve a million dollar salary and even more in bonus's when the average worker is being asked to take a pay cut? Or even losing his job.

If you put yourself in the position to make that kind of money and the board of directors agree to your demands on wages and perks...then who the hell is the car czar to say otherwise.

I make a large amount of money for what I do in the oil and gas industry. I put myself there and earn what I get.

I don't want to have my wages lowered just to please some lazy ass that doesn't want to work there way up the ladder.

karidgn: If the stockholders want to pay the CEO, then have at it. It's not the government's money.

(That position I just stated does not apply to companies that took bailout money from the taxpayers, which I didn't agree with. But since we paid it, then it's a different position).