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Occidental did release his records. He is listed as a foreign student from Indonesia and Im sure it will say the same thing on college forms from Harvard and Columbia if he really went there.

mlp633,

Please provide a link to released Occidental records showing the President is listed as a foreign student from Indonesia. Thank you.

The last I heard there was a lawsuit attempting to access the records. But the school contacted Obama directly and his high priced lawyers stopped the disclosure.

HE SIMPLY MUST BE HIDING THAT HE WAS A FOREIGN NATIONAL AT OCCIDENTAL.

Ya' know, isn't rumor getting a little boring by now? I am a conservative and did not vote for Obama and I do not like what he is doing but, where is the proof that he is actually hiding any of this information? I base my decisions on real facts, and I am not finding much more that grapevine innuendo here or anywhere. We all are fully aware of the implications and impact of "real" false documentation proving Mr. Obama used fraudulent information to get to the White House. It would result in an outright American revolution. Are we all ready for that?

He doesn't have to prove anything to you guys. He already submitted the short form BC which is perfectly legal under federal law. If the Republican attack machine in congress is not attacking him is because they know these claims have no merit. If no law has been broken because the short form BC of Hawai'i is perfectly legal.

Yeh!!! What John Tucker said!!!

Where's the SMOKING GUN!!!!

February 13, 2009:

“‘Sanctions’ sought in eligibility case

President’s attorneys file motion demanding birth, college records be withheld from public”

“By Bob Unruh”

“A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be “monetary sanctions” against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn’t qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution’s demand for a “natural born” citizen in that post.

The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state’s electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama’s records.

In the case, being handled largely by Gary Kreep of the U.S. Justice Foundation, he recently subpoenaed the records documenting the attendance by Obama, or possibly the student when he was known as Barry Soetero, from Occidental College.

The lawyer for the college, Stuart W. Rudnick of Musick, Peeler & Garrett, urgently contacted Fredric D. Woocher of Strumwasser & Woocher.

“This firm is counsel to Occidental College. The College is in receipt of the enclosed subpoena that seeks certain information concerning President-Elect Barack Obama,” he wrote via fax. “Inasmuch as the subpoena appears to be valid on its face, the College will have no alternative but to comply with the subpoena absent a court order instructing otherwise.”

Within hours, Woocher contacted Kreep regarding the issue, telling him, “It will likely not surprise you to hear that President-elect Obama opposes the production of the requested records.

“In order to avoid the needless expense of our bringing and litigating a Motion to Quash the subpoena, I am writing to ask whether you would be willing to agree voluntarily to cancel or withdraw the subpoena…”

Woocher warned, “Please be advised, in particular, that in the event we are forced to file a motion to quash and we prevail in that motion, we will seek the full measure of monetary sanctions provided for in the Code of Civil Procedures.” “

“”OBAMA has been inaugurated as the president of the United States. However, to properly assume such office, OBAMA must meet the qualifications specified in Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution for the Office of the President of the United States, which includes that he must be a ‘natural born’ citizen,” the amended complaint states.

“OBAMA has failed to demonstrate that he is a ‘natural born’ citizen. There have been a number of legal challenges before various state and federal courts regarding aspects of non-, lost, or dual citizenship concerning OBAMA. Those challenges, in and of themselves, demonstrate Petitioners’ argument that reasonable doubt exists as to his eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

“To avert a constitutional crisis which would certainly accrue after such an election through laborious legal challenges, this writ seeks to require SOS (Secretary of State) to verify the eligibility of a Presidential candidate prior to the candidate appearing on the California ballot. It is incumbent on the candidates to present the necessary documentation confirming his or her eligibility, but, to date, for this past election, OBAMA has failed to do so,” the complaint continues.

“An unprecedented and looming constitutional crisis awaits if a President elected by the popular vote and the electoral vote does not constitutionally qualify to serve in that capacity,” the case said. “In addition, if OBAMA is not a ‘natural born’ citizen and not eligible for presidency, OBAMA will be subject to the criminal provisions of the California Elections Code, stating, ‘Any person who files or submits for filing a nomination paper or declaration of candidacy knowing that it, or any part of it, has been made falsely, is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment in the state prison for 16 months or two or three years or by both the fine and imprisonment,’” the complaint states. “

Read more here:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88746

Thanks to commenter Canadian4Hillary for the heads up on this article.

main aritcle at :

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/obama-occidental-college-records-subpoenaed-records-obama-ineligible-gary-kreep-us-justice-foundation-barry-soetero-college-lawyers-stuart-w-rudnick-of-musick-peeler-garrett-fredric/

Yes what happened is, the College was served with a supeona to release his registration forms and the College contacted Obama/lawyers. Records were immediately sealed after College was INSTRUCTED to do so. I live in Los Angeles and I do know Occidental College is well known for it's high volume in foreign student enrollment. We can stop speculating and just use logic. Just as Obama has spent over 700k, preventing release of his bc in a litany of lawsuits(when it would cost him $13.00 to get his long form bc and show to any judge) he has also brought in his lawyers to shut down release of other pertinent documents that would reveal information Obama does not want public to know.

Mr Tucker- his lawyers admit he's hiding his life's documents.

There have been 48 lawsuits filed, some dismissed for lack of standing, some still in progress, but none have been heard by the Supreme Court as yet.

Note below- his own lawyers state the documents have not been released. They did not argue that what is posted on the internet is sufficient; they admit valid documents have not been released.

In the Berg case before Judge Surrick, reported at theobamafile March 4, QUOTE:

In these motions, Obama's lawyers argued that revealing the information (birth certificate, citizenship in other countries, etc.) would 'cause a defined and serious injury' to Obama and/or the DNC.

They argued that revealing these documents raises a 'legitimate privacy concern' and ...'particularly serious embarrassment will result from turning over the requested documentation'. The source of that embarrassment was not specified. END QUOTE

His lawyers admit he is hiding something. Patriots want transparency as promised. What is he hiding?

citar, Lead me to the truth. Lead me to where you found this information, and I will research it completely for validity. Do you realize what such actions would result in? We are talking treason in the grandest scale ever know to the United States of America. The wide sweeping covert action to conceal such important documents would evoke a non-ending landslide of heads from coast to coast and across the globe.

Perhaps there is a reason North Korea is building long range nuclear missles and testing them right under our noses.

I believe Philip Berg posted that information on his site, but how he knows that is not public knowledge.

I agree about pinknose. JUST USE LOGIC. The world turns on logic. Actions are based on logical motives.

"JUST USE LOGIC. The world turns on logic. Actions are based on logical motives. "

LOL!!! Go into a court and use that argument. Go on. I dare you.

The courts rely on legal precendent.

Crime solvers use logic.

There is a difference I admit. But here we are talking about a crime against the people.

citar, Therein lies the problem. A lack of public knowledge. Without valid public knowledge we are left to conjecture. Until or unless a whistleblower steps up to the plate and makes any of these documents or secrets legitimately available to the public, we are left with pure juxtaposing aren't we?

The quote on the Berg v Obama lawsuit was posted on www.theobamafile.com March 4,2009. That case is under seal now because it is on appeal from the district court that dismissed it for lack of standing. Theobamafile site is excellent, with many references for further info. Go to the home page and on the left, click on TOF, which gives you all the topics to research. Other fine research sources for the truth are http://naturalborncitizen,wordpress.com AND federalistblog.us AND http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/barack-hussein-obama-a-natural born-subject-of-great-britain/

AND http://colony14.net/id41.html MANY OTHERS. And a fine forum for info and comment can be found at www.worldnetdaily.com, click on "forums", choose the "is he eligible" and find many excellent legal researchers posting, then decide for yourself what is true.

There is no doubt that Mr. Obama is concealing all the documents of his life for a reason. All the other recent presidents were well known; their lives were an open book and citizens could like them or not. But this time, the book is tightly sealed and that's dangerous. Yes, there could a revolution, but that's what's already happening with an undesirable "transformation" of the society that has existed for 200 years.

Last Sunday my daughter and I visited the Holocaust museum in Houston, Texas. The guide carried a big yellow triagle and in the middle was the word "victims". At each point of the triangle were the words "Perpetrators", "Bystanders" and "Resiters". He made the point that everybody was somewhere. Only 10% of the people were perpetrators; and about 5-10% resisted. The rest were just bystanders of the Holocaust - to afraid to stand up. Mr. Tucker, at some point a person has to use their head and just take some damned action.

PS. There was a map of the hundreds of prison camps and literally it was said you couldn't go on a picnic in the country without passing one. Yet when the US and Russia first began to discover these horrors, the people in the towns nearby said "they knew nothing about it".

Perhaps we'll have a similar expression for Mr. Obama. We knew nothing about the fact that he might not be eligible to be president. And we did nothing, too.

The birth certificate is a red herring. Instead of calling names and posting ugly remarks, if convinced they are right, why don't posters rationally debate the facts of the definition of "natural born citizen," as required by the Constitution

Barack Obama, the son of a Kenyan British subject, is not a Natural-Born citizen and is therefore ineligible for the Presidency.

A "Certification of Live Birth" (COLB) posted on the website does not confirm "Natural-Born" status.Hawaii's law allowed "registration" of foreign-born babies.

Article II, Sec. 1-- No person except a Natural Born citizen...shall be eligible to the Office of President...

Natural-Born is Nationality from Natural Law. It is determined by the father at birth, from which all rights of birth and inheritance flow. Barack Obama's father was a Kenyan British colonial.

Natural-Born Citizen. A person born within the jurisdiction of a national government.

Black's Law Dictionary, 17th Ed. (1999)

Naturalized-Citizen A foreign born [or born of foreign parentage] who attains citizenship by law. Black's, 17th Ed (1999)

Charles Pinckney in 1800 said the presidential eligibility clause was designed “to insure … attachment to the country.” President Washington warned a “passionate attachment of one nation for another, produces a variety of evils,”

John Jay to George Washington, May 25, 1795 "Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen…”

The legislative definition of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was defined as "not owing allegiance to any other." "[E]every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parentS {plural} NOT owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of the Constitution itself, a natural born citizen." [Sec 1992 of U.S.Revised Statutes (1866)] (See also the intent of the writers of the 14th Amendment, who did not believe that persons born with a split allegiance would be "natural born". P.A. Madison at http://federalistblog.us has an excellent review of the issue as stated by the writers of the 14th Amendment.)

Whether born in Kenya or Hawaii, Obama is probably a citizen under (1) the "out of wedlock" (due to bigamy of the father) provision of Immigration and Naturalization law (8 U.S.C. 1409-c); or (2) 14th Amendment provisions of being born to a U.S. citizen within U.S. jurisdiction. Statutes over foreign birth, or birth to a foreigner, are Naturalization laws as they provide for the revocation of that alien nationality. Statutes cannot create or redefine Natural-Born, an immutable condition occurring from two U.S. citizen parents. (http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/barack-hussein-obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/

National law prevented the creation of conflicting dual citizenships between other nations' citizens. The simple fact that Obama had a foreign father removes the possibility of Natural Born status.

If he was born in the US, he would still be ineligible for the office, due to the fact that his father was a Kenyan, a British subject, which citizenship passed to Obama at birth. Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee when the 14th Amendment was written said,

"... 'all persons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens'... that means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof'.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof'? Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."

Obama was born with a split allegiance and is therefore ineligible to be a "natural born" citizen. This split allegiance becomes evident in his interference in the political affairs of Kenya and the Mideast, while declaring himself to be a "citizen of the world." The founders of our country specifically intended that only one whose sole allegiance is to the United States would be eligible to serve in the presidency.

From Fightthesmears website-

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire.

As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948.

That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

The Constitution is the supreme law of the US and the intent and meaning of the writers of that document is today's law. They defined "natural born citizen" and Mr. Obama, having been under the allegiance to Britain at his birth, cannot meet the test.

citar,

Thank you for taking the time for the lengthy dissertation, but I have read that same information so many times already. Why do you think I am here seeking the truth? If I might hyphothesize for a second and assume all this information to be correct and it surfaced, would all the Dems here on this site and others remain benevolent to this new president and his circle of co-conspirators?

I see I made two tiny typos in the sites I gave for you to do research into the eligibility of Mr. Obama. These are correct:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/barack-hussein-obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/

Personally, I think those who suspect Soros and Saud as being Obama's benefactor miss the forest for the trees. Barack Obama was just a typical Hawaiian kid with a US born, white mother and Kenyan born, black father when he went off to Occidental College.

The one atypical aspect of his adolescence is the relationship with one Frank Marshall Davis, a confirmed Soviet sympathizer and suspected member of the Communist Party USA. I believe it was this relationship, and the recommendation from FMD on behalf of Obama that set the path to Harvard. I believe that FMD arranged for Obama to meet Bill Ayres in New York when Obama transferred to Princeton. I also believe that his benefactor who paid his tuition was the Soviet KGB by way of networks built during the 50s, 60s and 70s, which included Students for a Democratic Society, the Weathermen, the Black Panthers, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and a host of other left-wing groups.

I'd like to see the long-form birth certificate AND the registrars bills/receipts from Occidental, Princeton and Harvard, so I know that my president is not, in fact, a sleeper left over from the Cold War. Fat chance of that!

Oops, my sloppiness: I know he attended COLUMBIA and NOT Princeton! My bad!

I was going to point that out, but then I noticed you'd left a letter out of your name, ivana_yurkenov.

And I started laughing....

Is that the best you can do, blackmonkeymon....whatis a rikker?