The birfers have to be the thickest crowd around. I posted a thread asking if Phil Berg ought to show ALL his evidence. Then I delineated his evidence to date: A deliberately redacted granny tape, a Dudley Doright BC from Canada, ab accustaion of a forged BC by an anonymous Internet poster, and an Indonesian school record.
The birfers unanimously voted this thread up. They completely missed the sarcasm in the post. That's fairly thick.
Then, when I posted a thread demanding to see real evidence, they voted the whole thread down. Evidently, fake evidence holds more weight than real evidence to these birfers.
They don't really want to know the truth. They just want to get rid of the president by any means necessary.
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blackmonrikker said, "They don't really want to know the truth. They just want to get rid of the president by any means necessary."
No, it's not that I want to get rid of the President by any means necessary. I want to see the President's birth certificate and his school records and ALL the past records that Obama has been doing his best not to let the public see.
The "smoking gun" there is: If you do all you can to keep people from seeing paperwork about your past, you must be hiding something, especially if you're a public figure.
It's not only the birth certificate; it's school records also. The only records of Obama's past that we Americans have seen are selective pieces that Obama has thrown out to us. Mostly because they're mundane. He's keeping ALL the other stuff away from public view and, therefore, from public scrutiny. That is the behavior of someone with something to hide.
csrbev: "The "smoking gun" there is: If you do all you can to keep people from seeing paperwork about your past, you must be hiding something, especially if you're a public figure."
Again with the "ifs". It doesn't occur to you that he may have other motives for not releasing his records. You automatically assume he has something to hide.
There exists no sunshine law that obligates the president to release his school records. NONE. The isn't even any law that obligates him to publicly release his BC. He did that as a political move and it backfired on him.
When replying to me, please redact all "ifs", "maybes", "I believes" and "WWJDs". Please stick to American laws.
csrbev said: "I want to tsee the President's birth certificate"
Here it is:
http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/images/28.jpg
He posted it two years ago. You know that. What you are implying is that this is a FAKE BC. But you haven't offered any proof of that assertion. You are relying on the word of an anonymous internet poster called Ron Polarik, who won't testify to his analysis in court, so his testimony isn't worth squat.
I think his grades from college must be worse then the C average that Bush carried at Yale,that all you liberals scoffed at.Until you saw that Kerry actually was about the same.Why would anyone from Harvard hide from thier past grades.Not Proudof them? What did he write for the REVIEW? If we are to assume he's the smartist man on the planet,let us see his work.Something to hide?
rejean, both Obama and his wife graduated cum laude from their respective institutions of higher learning.
Please don't pass on lies.
Then why spend millions of dollars to keap his school transcripts sealed.Work records?Poor kid ,no job no scholarship. Whats up wi dat? who paid for Any of his schooling.WE ALL knew BBoooooooosh was from oil money.
Passport records ? sealed.Travel ban for AMERICAN citizens to Pakistan.How'd he get cleared? Brit or Kenyon passport?
blackmonrikker is a troll
Why is he allowed to use a Government site to come and attack posters who ask for transparency.
He is all over the board like a few others and should be banned for such hateful posting at the people invited here to ask their questions
"Then why spend millions of dollars to keap his school transcripts sealed"
Another easily disproven assertion. How much money does it take to refuse to sign a transcript release?
Not a penny.
How much money does it take to file for dismissal after dismissal? Remember, real court costs only get incurred WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GET TO COURT. That hasn't ever happened in any of these cases.
Carpenturr1: "blackmonrikker is a troll"
No, blackmonrikker is using annoying birfer tactics to annoy birfers. Repeating the same tired arguments over and over pisses you off, doesn't it? Well, I sound like YOU.
This board isn't about birfer issues, son.
Troll,,,how much to keep passport records from being opened for viewing? Brit or Kenyon?
rejean: "Troll,,,how much to keep passport records from being opened for viewing? Brit or Kenyon?"
Idjit,,,zero. Zip. Zed. Nada. Just the absent wave of a pen.
So is it Brit or Kenyon?
From the Certification, it is clear that it was based on a sworn statement from one of his parents TO the registrar, because those statements require only reporting the Hour of Birth, which is SOP for registering births at home, rather than the Time of Birth. This would explain why no hospital in Oahu has a record of the birth. Since it is a lie that Obama was born in a hospital, it's likely that it's also a lie that he was born in Oahu.
While we're on the subject, it's also lie that M:Cain was born on-base in a military hospital, when that hospital wasn't built until years later.
"So is it Brit or Kenyon? "
Neither. It's American.
Hi all. Lets stop with the name calling. As most of you know I am a "birfer" as blackmonrikker refers to it. Although I heartily disagree with blackmonrikker I do NOT think he is a "troll" He is thinking these things thru just as we are. Neither side has to worry because the truth will come out eventually.
Personal note to you blackmonrikker since you mentioned that you were a jazz pianist as am I. My absolute idol growing up was Oscar Peterson. and I have to admit I shed some tears when he passed away last year.
legs1600 1 day ago
Why no answer?
Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.
It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A: Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under???????????
A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.
Count me in as one of those inquiring minds who'd at least like to know the answers to these easily answered (by Obama) questions
Played like an Oud
*An Oud is a sort of guitar or lute like instrument popular in Arabic music.
maximo,
You're speculating about Obama, and trying to use a key fact about McCain to validate your speculation about Obama. McCain was not born on a military base, but in a Panamanian hospital on Panamanian territory.
Congress awarded McCain NBC status last summer. They didn't have to do that with Obama because he was born in Hawaii.
Santorajj, yes Peterson was great. His passing was a tragedy. My personal favorite is Joe Sample, even though he refuses to respond to any of my fan letters!!
I'm glad that you pointed out the uselessness of name calling. I'll do it, but only in retaliation. My point in being out here is to refer people to what U.S. law says, nothing more. As far as I can see, birfer issues are rooted in intuition, not law.
rejean: "Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims."
Where to begin....where to begin. You guys consistently draw illogical, pre-formed conclusions.
First, there was NO travel ban to Pakistan in 1981. That's another birfer myth.
If he was traveling on a British passport in 1981 it only proves he asserted his dual British/U.S. citizenship. His father was Kenyan; when he was born he had dual citizenship. No law says that a dual citizen cannot ever be president.
now I know you're just another another gringo liar. I never used any key fact about M:Cain, other than his own lie asserted decades ago. (You obviously aren't old enough to remember that he's supposed to be a war hero for being the guest of honor at the Hanoi Hilton). I also never used it to validate anything, never mind any speculation of Obama being born in Hawaii. He might have been born in Hawaii, rather than Oahu, dumbass. Get a map, if not a clue. I only pointed out the fact that both lied about the hospitals that they claimed to have been born in. The only hospitals mentioned for Obama were in Oahu. I did not rule out the possibility that he was born in Hawaii, just that no hospital in Oahu has a record that Obama was born there. You also lied that M:Cain was born in Panama, when he was born in the Canal Zone. You obviously aren't old enough to remember that once was US territory - if it had adopted the Constitution in the meantime as had Puerto Rico in the 1950s, then M:Cain would be native-born; otherwise he acquired his citizenship via his parents. If his parents had given him up for adoption to Panamanians in the Canal Zone, he would not be able to acquire US citizenship unless it had been fully incorporated into the US, as was PR. Children of Panamanian parents weren't native-born US citizens for having been born in the Canal Zone at any time, so why should M:Cain? The fact that the Senate had to make an exception for him is the exception that proves the rule.
mAximo,
Punctuation and paragraphing are allowed here, you know. Re-organize your ideas and make sure the point you are trying to make is the last thing you say.
To blackmonrikker:
Us "birfers" as you call us, are interested in verifiable facts for getting to the truth; not empty claims, not PhotoChopped images, conflicting statements from bureaucrats, and liberally-biased MSM propaganda.
As such, talk is cheap, it is time to shut-up or put-up. If your leader has the proof, then call for him bring-it forth. If not then be a red-blood American, stand-up for this Republic, and call for his Impeachment/Eviction.
BTW: If you want to toss around insults (birfers, thickest crowd, ... ) vs. discussing this, we can oblige you.
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Photosrme
It IS time to shut up or put up, photosrme. And you guys ain't put up yet.
You want the president to put up, right? What is he responding to? A BC signed by Dudley Doright? An accusation by Ron Polarik, an anonymous internet poster with dubious, unsubstantiated credentials? An admittedly redacted granny tape offered by Phil Berg?
If this was a game of poker, you guys just placed a turd on the table and are asking for million dollars chips to call your bluff.
BTW, I wouldn't mind if one of you birfers commented on the quality of the evidence submitted against Obama IN COURT so far. Polarik's accusation of a forged BC hasn't been submitted because Polarik refuses to identify himself or testify. So you've got the granny tape, the Dudley Doright BC and the Indonesian school record.
Open and shut case? It's like buttah. I'm verklempt. Talk among yourselves.
To blackmonrikker:
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"He posted it two years ago. You know that."
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The image was not posted two years ago.
The image was posted around June 12th, 2008 on DailyKos, then the image appeared on Obama's website.
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What you are implying is that this is a FAKE BC. But you haven't offered any proof of that assertion.
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You and Mr. Obama can claim an image posted on the internet is not a "fake", but that is meaningless for three reasons:
1) The sources are highly biased in favor of making such a claim.
2) The credibility of one source has already been shown to be un-credible several times.
3) An image posted on the internet with no chain-of-custody and no certification of authenticity, is not proof and would not stand-up in court.
For example: Obama's Birth Certificate: http://www.whatcomuncovered.com/images/obama-birth-cert-real.jpg
http://lukeamerica2020.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/obama_birth_certificate_dees_small.jpg
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/misc/hawaiibirthcertificate1.jpg
Get the point?
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You are relying on the word of an anonymous internet poster called Ron Polarik,
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Nope.
I have study the hi-resolution version of what was claimed to be Mr. Obama's BC. The text that is filled in on the document is not consistent.
Some places the letters are well defined with little to no background blending and in other places the letters and background are blended. This blending (blurring) happens when someone does a cut-n-paste of lettering from one place in a document to another. Other people that have study the document have come to similar conclusions about the text.
Regardless, it is up to Mr. Obama to provide court-acceptable, legal proof. Mr. Obama is the one claiming he meets the eligibility requirements of the Constitution; as such it is time for Mr. Obama to put-up or vacate.
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Photosrme
photosrme: "An image posted on the internet with no chain-of-custody and no certification of authenticity, is not proof and would not stand-up in court."
No digital image pulled from the Internet will stand up in court. Most (or all) of them have to be photoshopped in order to load into a browser properly. Your complaints about the image he posted are legally useless, as are Polarik's. Only the original document will stand up in court.
You also said: "Regardless, it is up to Mr. Obama to provide court-acceptable, legal proof"
There isn't any court that is demanding to see his BC currently. It's not up to him to do a damn thing. You're commenting above your pay grade again.
To blackmonrikker:
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You want the president to put up, right? What is he responding to? A BC signed by Dudley Doright?
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Might as well be signed by Rahm Emanuel, because the document is not Valid. The impression seal is missing, signature is illegible, the document has been altered, and it still is not a Certificate of Live Birth! As such, you and Obama got zip, nada, nil for proof.
Any chance, by 2012, Obama and his supporters can come-up with a better tale and better forger?
Back on subject:
Mr. Obama claims he is calling for Open Government, with transparency. To that end, to get people to follow such a call, it takes leadership. That means walking the talk, not just making calls and swaggering away.
If Mr. Obama truly believes in his call for Open and Transparent government and is the leader his supporters claim he is; then it starts with him providing a certified, legal, court-acceptable copy of his "Certificate of Live Birth".
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Photosrme
To blackmonrriker:
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"No digital image pulled from the Internet will stand up in court. Most (or all) of them have to be photoshopped in order to load into a browser properly."
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Thanks once again for acknowledging my point.
The image posted on Mr. Obama's website is not legally acceptable and therefore is meaningless.
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"Only the original document will stand up in court."
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So where is Mr. Obama's original Certificate of Live Birth or Birth Certificate? Since we both agree that the image posted does not mean squat.
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Photosrme
photosrme,
Currently, the BC Mr. Obama supplied to FactCheck is not at issue in any court. However, there IS a BC entered into evidence by Phil Berg that says Obama was born in Canada. That BC is signed by Dudley Doright.
Do you think this enhances Berg's credibility any? Do you think it helps the birfer cause? Do you suspect that a judge might surmise that a BC signed by a cartoon character is forged? Why would a serious lawyer submit such a document? Clearly, even if we can't agree on the validity of Obama's REAL BC, we can agree that the Dudley Doright BC isn't valid?
photosrme: "The image posted on Mr. Obama's website is not legally acceptable and therefore is meaningless."
I have always said that. I have also always noted that his Hawaiian BC is not at issue in any court. He only posted it for political reasons.
If I was him, I wouldn't have posted squat. I would have told you birfers to go piss up a rope.
But that's why I'm a crusty old dad and he's the president.
To blackmonrikker:
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"There isn't any court that is demanding to see his BC currently."
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That is because a court does not initiate cases and because Mr. Obama's legal team has skillfully managed to keep the cases from being heard.
Also helps when you have at least one judge who thinks "Snopes" is the end-all-authority on fact/fiction and carries the weight of law enforcement. RoFL!
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"It's not up to him to do a damn thing."
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It is if he wants to be seen as legitimate President vs. usurper. Would also help him been seen as a leader of his call for Open and Transparent government. Right now his call is looking real two-faced.
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Photosrme
To blackmonrikker:
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Do you suspect that a judge might surmise that a BC signed by a cartoon character is forged? Why would a serious lawyer submit such a document?
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I can only speculate on what Berg's purpose is:
Perhaps, Berg's purpose is to point out to the court/judge that the posted image could be easily forged. That the only way to be certain is to get a legally certified copy that has a chain-of-custody with it.
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Clearly, even if we can't agree on the validity of Obama's REAL BC, we can agree that the Dudley Doright BC isn't valid?
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Sure, I agree that Mr. Berg's version of Mr. Obama's BC signed by Dudley Doright isn't valid.
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Photosrme
Why don't you get you a gat, go buy a 40 ouncer, have some illigit kids with baby mammas, get on welfare, burn down your community, beat some bitches and hos, carjack some little old lady, rob a liquer store, and then blame whitey for all your troubles.
Why don't you get you a gat, go buy a 40 ouncer, have some illigit kids with baby mammas, get on welfare, burn down your community, beat some bitches and hos, carjack some little old lady, rob a liquer store, and then blame whitey for all your troubles.
Had Obama been born in Kenya, he could easily avoid this mess by claiming that he was born at home in Oahu, and so explain why there's no long-from Certificate. Instead he lied about which hospital he was born in, not unlike M:Cain, when the chances of getting caught in the lie were high. Perhaps his MO includes being a traitor. Or maybe he wants to divert attention from the fact that his mama's mama was a bank executive, that most of his largest campaign contributions came from banks, and that he's giving banks 100 cents on the dollar for bonds they hold in Chrysler, while only giving pennies on the dollar to everyone else. He's much smarter than M:Cain or Baby Bush, so there must be a reason for him not telling a better lie.
blackmonrikker
The court cases that creeksneakers give to me prior 1961, did not state that the plantiff had "NBC" status at birth or gained it due to the judgement.
The 14th Amendment does NOT state "NBC". It is only about citizenship, naturalized citizenship, duel citizenship etc. NOT "NBC"
Only a President's requirements has "NBC" - "NBC" has never been changed in the books of the law (1961).
Congress (and your Prez) is trying to change it now.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show
photosrme: "That is because a court does not initiate cases and because Mr. Obama's legal team has skillfully managed to keep the cases from being heard."
No. That's because NOT ONE SINGLE BIRFER LAWYER, OTHER THAN ANDY MARTIN, HAS MADE OBAMA'S HAWAIIAN BC AN ISSUE. To make it an issue, Andy didn't sue Obama. HE SUED THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF OBAMA'S BC, THE HAWAIIAN DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
And he lost.
Photosrme, do you understand how the law works? There has to be a complaint before the courts will act. Most birfer lawyers realize the futility of suing the people in charge of Obama's BC--because those same people are in charge of creating the laws the control the dissemination of that BC.
You can't fight city hall.
Real evidence. It's "Birthers" not birfers!
photosrme: ""It's not up to him to do a damn thing."
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It is if he wants to be seen as legitimate President vs. usurper. "
Wow. You're saying that the man with a 66% approval rating is worrying about what 0.5% of the electorate thinks.
Do you understand the math of winning elections? 66% trumps 0.5%. Anyday.
Birfer opinions don't mean much.
Maximo: "Had Obama been born in Kenya..."
He wasn't born in Kenya. Everything you said after your initial mistake is entirely superfluous.
The election was staged.
Obama is ruining our economy and taking away our freedoms in the way that Gorbachev destroyed the Soviet Union.
You will not survive just because you are an Obama follower.
If you weren't born here, your opinion means even less. It actually means nothing at all.
Incedentally, Obama's ratings are steadily going down.
How can this site be seen as one for transparency in Government when trolls like blackmonrikker is allowed here to attack posters?
Trolling trollers should be banned
I recommend all just ignore blackmonrikker and other trolls and just flag them.
"If you weren't born here, your opinion means even less. It actually means nothing at all."
Ahh, but I WAS born here. And so were my parents. And so were THEIR parents. AND SO WERE THEIR PARENTS.
So my opinions do hold some weight, especially insofar as we support the president.
And, yes, his ratings have gone down from the 82% rating he received in January. But he seems to be holding steady in the mid-sixties.
Carpeturr1, you are welcome to ignore me. It's obvious that law and logic offend you.
Blackmon is a blind follower who is defending his leader. He is an obedient lamb.
It is conforting to know the enemy and how to face it. We are in the majority here! Seeking Obama's credentials is just one weapon in our arsonal for freedom restoration.
Earlier I pointed out the fact that only Andy Martin has sued to obtain Obama's Hawaiian BC. Not even Oily Taint has gone that route. It's a loser.
I maintain that Taint, Gary Kreep, Mario Apuzzo and Phil Berg DON'T WANT TO SEE OBAMA'S HAWAIIAN BC, the vault copy, if you will.
Why?
Because when the BC is released and it confirms Honolulu as Obama's birthplace, the Paypal tap dries up. At that point their only option to keep the birfer money tab running is to claim that Hawaiian officials are corrupt and had a hand in offering a phony BC, or that President Obama used his presidential powers to edit the legal copy somehow.
Who's going to believe that?
Oh wait. I forgot who I was talking about here....
alpdesigns: "It is conforting to know the enemy and how to face it. We are in the majority here! Seeking Obama's credentials is just one weapon in our arsonal for freedom restoration."
We are in the majority here? hee-hee!! "Here", as in, at your house?
Get a clue, son.
Blackmon, that makes you a "birfer" whose "opinion means even less". Why would you insult members of your own heritage for a man who spent his formative years in Indonesia studying Muslim?
The latest report that I saw showed Obama's ratings at 40%. He's on a slippery slope. More and more people are waking up!
I'm not a son. That makes your speculations incorrect.
Ed Hale claims that Obama obtained some 1961 paper and printed himself up a 1961 BC using a Canadian printing press from that era. He claims that the BC is being aged under ultra-violet light as we speak and will be released in response to one of Oily Taint's lawsuits this coming September.
So there you go. I guess there is SOME hope that you'll see Obama's BC this year. Ed's a bigshot birfer. He's the one that confidently and accurately predicted that Obama's inauguration would never happen, and Obama and his wife would be led away in bracelets.
alpdesigns1: "The latest report that I saw showed Obama's ratings at 40%. He's on a slippery slope. More and more people are waking up! "
Go re-read the report. Obama's ratings AMONG REPUBLICANS is at 40%. Among the smart, he's in the mid-sixties.
Blackmon, you must live in Utopia, very far from reality. I have more important things to do than to waste anymore time with you. We will never agree. You are betting on a longshot.
"Why would you insult members of your own heritage for a man who spent his formative years in Indonesia studying Muslim?"
Why would I insult members of my own heritage?
Let me tell you something. I spent a lot of time in Australia back in the eighties. Made a lot of friends there. I was troubled because my friends all seemed so racist. They weren't PC at all. They used what we would consider to be the most un-correct terms. They called Mediterranean people "wogs". They called Asian people "gooks" and "Japs". They had a hundred different insults for Russians and East Indians.
Finally I had enough of it. I told them to stop. I said, "If you call these fellows bad names behind their backs, what are you calling me behind my back?"
Did I mention I'm a black guy?
Well, they got all sheepish. But I pressed the point. "What racist term do you have for me? Say it."
Finally they broke down. "Well mate, it's obvious. You're a Yank."
And that's when I realized that I was an American, and not just a black guy with no stake in the country.
I'm a white woman. They probably have names for me too! Sticks and stones... Just because some people here haven't agreed with you, you don't have to become like your Australian associates! Being an American, you should accept freedom of thought, freedom of speech before we don't have those anymore (and we're very close)! The people that you seem to think are ignorant or unitelligent may have more education than you do. Don't be so quick to judge and keep an open mind. It is possible that you have been mislead. It's possible that we all have! There is no two party rule. There is a group that is above all others and they make the rules based on their agenda. Poll results are useless. It's propaganda, spin, tactical, devisiveness. We need to stick together as people, not by political favor or religion. Get along and accept that we are all different!
alpdesigns,
And you accused ME of living in Utopia?
Well...
I want this country to succeed. I support the president. This birfer issue is an unnecessary distraction, not to him (because I don't believe he knows about it), but to his administration.
When the president is clearly wrong, I'll be the first to say so. I don't see how we can spend more money to get out of debt.
But this birfer stuff is complete and utter legal garbage. No court in the land has agreed to hear your cases because your arguments are so inept. I can't see that changing.
You might consider channeling your energies into something that might generate some return on your investment.
I hate showing up late, but alp- they'd call you a Yank too... I think that was the moral of the story there... Correct me if I am wrong, rikker, but I think the gist of the story was that it doesn't matter where you are, what you study, who you pray to, or what color your skin is- when you're American, you're American.
Our American heritage is composed of more than just white Christians.
yeti, you hit the nail on the head.
I thought, "Yank? What kind of a racial insult is that?" And then I realized that their racial insults were just good natured banter. The people being insulted didn't seem to mind.
And that's also when I lost interest in being insulted by the N word, and became fully proud of being a Yank.
we are more interested in real evidence, we've already seen the fake, they posted the fake on line.
Well, Harold, in that case I'll direct you to the Canadian BC signed by Dudley Doright. Phil Berg has submitted it INTO COURT as evidence that Obama was born in Canada.
Not one of you limpstick birfers have commented on the veracity of THAT one.
When all you offer is sarcasm and insults, how can you expect to be taken seriously ?
All that's needed is disclosure of:
1) Hospital
2) Delivering Doctor, Date & Time
Then there would be nothing to 'argue' about.
Very simple, really.
No insults or sarcasm needed.
"blackmonrikker said"???
He keeps talking, but he says nothing. Talk about dull with a lot of time on your hands. Obviously a paid Barry tool.