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Hee-hee!! YES!!! I predicted the birfers would find an angle to try and undermine Dr. Okubo and Dr. Fukino!! And I said they would use semantics!!

You go, nutjobs!!

The information on the COLB came from the original birth certificate, for goodness sake. Health Department officials reviewed it. There is no conflict with the Hawaii Star-Bulletin article from yesterday, which you might easily have linked directly, so that others could read it. But, no.

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Honolulu Star-Bulletin, June 6, 2009

Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?

Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."

"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

Even those who have voted for Obama need to have his records opened for public view. This is undermining everything. And when He needs the military, how will they all single-mindedly obey a Commander-in-Chief whom they suspect may be a fraud? Robert Gibbs mocking this and casting arrogant dispersions does not help.

"Even those who have voted for Obama need to have his records opened for public view. This is undermining everything. And when He needs the military, how will they all single-mindedly obey a Commander-in-Chief whom they suspect may be a fraud? Robert Gibbs mocking this and casting arrogant dispersions does not help. "

I voted for him. I don't need to see his medical, dental, or academic records. I just need him to articulate a plan to get us out of debt (which he has yet to do).

You birfers are clinging to this BC thing as if it was the last straw and you were going down for the third time. Why don't you open you eyes and see that the country needs you to pitch in and help instead of whining about an election you lost 7 months ago?

You are assuming - I am one who lost in that election.

"You are assuming - I am one who lost in that election."

If you were a presidential candidate, then you certainly have standing to demand to see Obama's credentials. Why didn't you do like McCain and Clinton and travel to Chicago last summer to see his paper COLB?

This "standing" argument is as foul of an invention as judicial activists can make on this issue. The President of the United States has always been hired and paid by the voters of this country. That gives them interest and standing in being able to know the credentials of the one hired. When we have found revoked/suspended drivers liscences (and in one case a registered child sex offender) on our payroll, after a legal vetting, we fired them. We, as an employer had legal rights, interest and standing in those hired as they represented our company. You obviously, and other judicial activists, seem to think this is some kind of dictatorship or something akin to that.

robin: "The President of the United States has always been hired and paid by the voters of this country."

Cops are hired and paid for by voters, too. I once had my car stolen in Detroit. I called the cops at 2 a.m. to report it. none showed up to take the report. I went out into the neighborhood and found a cop in a donut shop. I asked him to take the report. He told me to go wait outside and he'd be right there. He disappeared. I hunted down another cop. Same thing.

As a citizen I tried to fire them. I was unsuccessful.

BTW, the only way to fire Obama now is by impeachment. Only congress can initiate such action. That's what the Constitution says, hon. How many congressmen have signed on to this issue? Well, there's your impeachment vote right there!!

blackmonrikker

You are abusing this site to mock and insult posters.

You have been flagged for trolling

"You are abusing this site to mock and insult posters.

You have been flagged for trolling "

Hee-hee!!

Brevity is the soul of wit.

I am not yet convinced Obama is an illegal president, although I am also not sure he is Constitutionally qualified to be president.

But, rather than arguing this point I ask the following.

Even if we get clear proof Obama is not qualified to be president, what can we do? Obama controls the military and the rest of federal law enforcement agents.

ricardo,

You're on the fence. Fine. I was on the fence last October, too. If, in fact, Obama was born outside the U.S., he's ineligible.

But I investigated the matter and it became very clear who was doing the lying--Phil Berg. Phil and his happy crew of loonies couldn't be more dishonest. Linda Starr (AKA Linda Sue Belcher), the fictional Ron Polarik, Lisa Liberi, Orly Taitz, Dr. James David Manning, MommaE, Ed and Caren. All of these people are PayPal abusers. Berg is about to lose his house to his mortgage company; every dime the birfers send pushes that unhappy outcome off another month.

Linda Starr claims she was sexually assaulted by George W. Bush in the mid nineties. That's why she suffers depression now. But that doesn't keep her from exposing Mr. Soetoro. James David Manning called Obama's white mother a white trash whore because she had sex with a black man. Manning himself is black. Orly Taitz, P.A. hasn't written or tried an original case in her life. She's a commie refugee who got her law degree online so she could self-defend herself against dental malpractice suits.

the list goes on.

Needless to say, I believe anything that comes from these people to be lies.

Birthers don't have standing to sue. Article II of the constitution gave Congress the power to certify or not certify elections. It gave no such powers to the courts. You have no standing in court because even if the court agreed with you they don't have the power to do anything.

I agree the citizens are the real bosses in our country but they have to follow the law. There were chances for the citizens to disqualify Obama with his nominating petitions, with primary voters, at the party convention, with general election voters, with the state legislatures who approved the slates of electors, with the electors themselves, and with Congress when the election was certified. There has to be finality at some point. That finality came with the Congressional certification. There's nothing more you can do. You and the birthers lack standing.

creeksneakers: "I agree the citizens are the real bosses in our country but they have to follow the law."

Hmmmmmmmm. That's true...in theory. That's the definition of a democracy. But this county is NOT a democracy, it's a republic. In a democracy, every issue would get voted upon by citizens. In our republic, we vote for people to do our voting for us, and we live and die with their votes.

That's the main reason why carpenturr and phylmike34 and the other birfers are mad. They've got to wait another 3 1/2 years before their opinions about Obama matter again. And they'll probably get voted down again.

So I understand their frustration.

They also have to accept that wingerism failed and they haven't been able to do that.

"They also have to accept that wingerism failed and they haven't been able to do that"

LOL!!! Well that's where you and I come in. We'll snark them into submission, or at least onto a different website. I've already shut down Phil Berg's site with snark.

I'd love to see that! I loved the thread about Dudley Doright's birth certicate.

Creeksneakers,

If you liked that, you'll LOVE our website. Check out the forum at:

www.politijab.com

Tell 'em Rikker sent you. We document every looney step the birfers make and laugh. You'll run into some fairly intelligent people, too, every one of which has a scintillating sense of humor about all this. Join up. Keep your username so I know you when I see you there.

Twitchy...Your username says it all you are as twitchy as a lemur. I for one do not beleive anyone that has the power in his control and has spent thousands in several states to keep these cases for being heard in a court of LAW!

Creek,

Check this out....

http://www.q-audio.com/images/roberts_obama.jpg

blackmonrikker: ROFL! Also, I checked out politijab.com but couldn't find anything about birthers. Is it under forum? Anyway, it looks like a great site and I bookmarked it. Thank you for inviting me and I'd love to post there.

creek:

Are you kidding? The whole site is about the birfers!! Go into the forum:

http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/index.php

You may have to sign up. But that's no problem. There's more stuff about birfers than anything else. Right now we are keeping track of Orly and her foibles. Berg is old news. We've completely totalled his site. We keep track of Phil at RSOL. We call in to Ed Hale's Radio Show. We've got a bunch of lawyers and we send them legal tips in the HOPE that they can get into court and actually present their evidence. Berg had an opportunity to argue his Interpleader back in April, but he declined. And then he acted surprised when the judged dismissed his case and sanctioned his flunky D.C. lawyer--JUST LIKE WE PREDICTED!!!

You can't imagine how much fun we have with these waterheads.

http://www.politijab.com/strips/strip0001-S.GIF

Good to know that there is actually a group invested in knocking these loonies out of their crazy trees... Keep up the good work!

yeti D,

They tried to call us paid Obama trolls. Actually, we're a bunch of people with a universal wicked sense of humor and the means to unleash it against the deliberately clueless. we should be paying Obama for the opportunities at mirth that his election has provided.

Contact me offline and I'll tell you how the libel lawsuit between Berg and Oily Taint came about. Better yet, join up at Politijab and contact me there.

The inimitable Dr. Ron Polarik finally replies to Hawaii's Dr. Okubo!!!

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/04/why_obama_will_never_show_his_birth_certificate.thtml

Polarik

With all due respect, Ms. Watanabe, but what you've published above are falsehoods, and not falsehoods that you necessarily originated, because a lot of them came directly from Factcheck.

Here's the 411 on Obama's COLB:

After five months of research, I've already proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Obama's Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is a nonexistent document, and what is posted online is a fabricated image.

It's all there in my final 160-page, research report, called "Obama's Born Conspiracy."

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com

Obama's COLB exists only in the virtual world of Photoshopped computer images, and you would not be able to prove your claims if you life depended on it. But, don't take that personally because nobody else has.

What you are looking at is a fabricated image, made from other images of other people's COLBs. It's forged. It's fake. It's totally bogus. Hawaii never printed a COLB for Obama in June 2007.

Here's where you went astray:

"The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo."

Sorry, but you absolutely can get a copy of a Certificate of Birth, or Hawaiian Certificate of Birth. In fact, you have to have the latter if you want to participate in Hawaii's Home Lands program: a housing initiative for native Hawaiians.

All you have to do is to write DHHL on the same order form that is used to obtain Certifications of Live Birth, and a COLB WON'T be accepted!

Okubo says that birth certificates are "only available in electronic form...[as] the Health Department went paperless in 2001."

Hello?

When you request a birth certificate, what you get is a PAPER DOCUMENT comprised of green security paper, a computer-generated certificate form containing birth information, ON THE FRONT SIDE ONLY, printed onto the security paper with a laser orinter, and ON THE REVERSE SIDE, is an embossed Seal stamp, date stamp, and a stamp of the Registrar's signature block.

It's been a year since this bogus COLB image was posted, but there's still just that one, lousy scan image.

Okubo adds that ""The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests."

Janice Okubo is correct: an electronic record is exactly what Hawaiian Health Department Director, Chiyome Fukino, said that Hawaii has "Obama's original birth certificate On RECORD."

Hawaii has never verified where he was born, when he was born, to whom he was born, or anything else on his original birth record. Not even his original, legal name.

When Obama was allegedly born, Hawaiian COLBs were given out to foreign born children up to one year after birth. So, even if there really was a COLB for Obama produced in June 2007 -- and there is no such document in existence -- then it still would not prove where he was born. to be President of the USA, you have to prove that you are a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN (NBC), and, therefore, the Certification of Live Birth CANNOT BE USED to prove NBC.

Finally, Factcheck is absolutely NOT "a nonpartisan, nonprofit 'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics."

FACTCHECK, funded by billionaire George Soros, IS A SHILL FOR OBAMA, and fully complicit in this phony birth certificate scam.

The bottom line is that Obama knows that image posted on the internet is fake and doesn't contain his actual birth information. That's why Obama and his staff refuse to answer any questions about his birth certificate, refuse to produce any real paper document, and also why they fabricated this bogus COLB image.

And the following people reply!!!

Replies:

Birther Truth Squad

Lexington, KY

Are you the real fake Dr. Polarik or just a fake, fake Dr. Polarik? Pardon me if I believe a real person with a real name who works for the state of Hawaii vs. a fake person on the internet who has had his writings completely debunked. Apologies if you are actually only a fake, fake Dr. Polarik impersonating the actual fake Dr. Polarik.

http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php...

Polaroid

Golden, CO

There is no "Polarik." He is an anonymous internet fraud who 1) can't keep his own alleged resume straight, 2) routinely attempts to take credit for the work of others, 3) has left a long paper trail of incompetence in the subjects in which he pretends to be an expert, and 4) is not beyond lying through his teeth when the spirit moves him.

Add to all that the fact that he too big a coward (or too deeply dug into the hole of his phony "credentials") to even reveal his true name and you have a perfect storm of fringe wingnuttery.

Patrick McKinnion

Seattle, WA

Oh now that's funny. The so-called "Dr. Ron Polarik", a nameless, faceless internet "expert" has claimed that a member of the Hawaii State Department of Health does not know the truth about documentation provided by that VERY SAME DEPARTMENT ACCORDING TO STATE AND FEDERAL LAW.

Further more, he bases this on a supposed examination of an on-line JPEG file, without at anytime attempting to look at the real document.(Here's a hint - real document experts know you can't say a document exists or doesn't exist unless you examine the real thing.)

Talk about vanity.

So who do you think would have more validity in a court of law:

1) A nameless, faceless "expert" who has never proven they have any of the training or expertise they claim, and who has never looked at the real document in question, or

2) A real person from the department in question,giving their real identity and allowing people to verify they are who they claim to be, representing the state that document was issued in, and testifying as to the validity of the document and the information provided in said document.

If you care about the truth, about US and State law, about the US Constitution and US case law, then the answer is #2

If you care more about lies and myths, and spitting on the same Constitution you claim to care for, the answer is #1

I was poking around the Internet to look at this claim that a child need not be born in Hawaii to receive a Hawaiin birth certificate. I found that its true. If the child's parents resided for Hawaii for one year before the out of state birth, the state would issue a certificate.

But nowhere could I find anything that said that the certificate would list Hawaii as the birthplace. If Obama was born in Kenya to Hawaiin parents, he could get a Hawaiin birth certificate, but it would say he was born in Kenya.

Since Obama's birth certificate says he's born in Hawaii it means he was born in Hawaii. Any birther conclusion that the Hawaiin government is in the the business of providing fraudulent birth certificates is the kind of lunacy that makes birthers so much fun.

Creeksneakers,

You are exactly right. They would have issued a Hawaiian BC. But the BC would show the child's country of origin, just as Obama's did. The birfers conveniently obscure this fact.

You know, for a group of people who are demanding transparency, they use some highly shady methods in distributing their propaganda.

It seems the White House needs to take us more seriously. That little picture file on the Internet just doesn't cut it!

What is the deal with this "not having standing to sue" business? It seems NOBODY in the country is deemed worthy to sue over this issue, which does not seem Constitutional to me. Is Congress itself the only group that can require the President to verify his eligibility? If so, we all know the current Congress will never do so. If one is required to show a that they will be directly harmed by the issue at stake...I think we all are harmed by having an illegitimate President and military, diplomatic, and government folks especially.

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Worse than Watergate, Whitewatergate, or any of the other cover ups of previous administrations, is the question of whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States of America... OR, is he a FRAUD, a USURPER, a man with no legal authority to sit in the position that he now claims to hold?

Barack Obama could simply put the issue to rest RIGHT NOW by releasing his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE! But he WON'T! Instead, he has had teams of attorneys all over the country, fighting "tooth and nail" to thwart the efforts of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF), and our allies in a number of states, to compel him to produce an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and to prove that he is Constitutionally eligible to serve as President of these United States!

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A number of apologists for Barack Obama have gone to great lengths to belittle USJF and our allies in the fight to preserve our Constitution. However, the questions that they cannot answer are:

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The citizens of this country have the right to know if Barack Obama is, indeed, eligible to serve as President! And we here at the United States Justice Foundation are going to take our lawsuit all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary, to find out the answer to this critical question.

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Barack Obama wants you to ignore what he is doing, he wants you to ignore the U.S. Constitution, he wants you to think that the parts of the Constitution that he does not agree with (like the requirements to serve as President) are unimportant.

In effect, he wants to destroy the U. S. Constitution and reshape this country into his own image of what he wants it to be.

And Barack Obama's attorneys have now taken another big step to destroy the Constitution of the United States -- this time in a California State Court. Those attorneys, working with liberal California State Attorney General Jerry Brown, convinced the Judge in our case to rule that only Members of Congress can challenge the qualifications of Mr. Obama, or any candidate, to serve as President.

And, the Judge further ruled that such a challenge could only be made on the 6th day of January following the meeting of the Presidential electors, at the session of Congress where the vote of the Electoral College is counted and the results announced. To use the Judge's words, this is "the exclusive means for challenges to the qualifications of President..."

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The Trial Court Judge in our case did! But we are not going to accept his decision. We are not going to accept the legal arguments made by Barack Hussein Obama's attorneys, and those by attorneys from liberal California Attorney General Jerry Brown. We are going to keep fighting this monumentally important legal battle all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary.

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We MUST learn the truth about whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen!

But to blunt our efforts to learn the truth, the Trial Court also blocked our subpoena for the college records of Mr. Obama! These vital records could have proven whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States, or whether he is a USURPER, a FRAUD, sitting in the oval office without any legal authority to do so!

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Please know that we are not saying that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States of America. The problem is we just do not know!

We do know that Barack Obama's maternal step-grandmother has proclaimed that she was present at his birth in Mombasa, in what is now Kenya, in Africa!

We do know that a fake birth certificate was put up on Obama's website!

We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in every case filed over this issue; to make sure that no one has access to his birth certificate.

We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in our California case; to make sure that no one has access to his college records.

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The voters of the United States of America have the right to know whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen," as REQUIRED by the U. S. Constitution!

It's a question that MUST be answered!

Why? Because, if an unqualified person was elected to the Office of President of the United States, our entire form of government could be compromised!

Why?

Because, if Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States, each and every act that he takes as President will be null and void! That's right, each bill that he signs into law, every Executive Order that he issues, and each and every one of his nominations to his Cabinet and to the federal courts will have no legal effect!

I don't make that statement lightly. It's not an exaggeration.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution provides, in pertinent part, as follows: "No Person except a natural born Citizen... shall be eligible to the Office of President..."

That means that neither Osama Bin Laden, nor California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, nor Obama billionaire money man George Soros can serve as President of the United States. That also means that if Barack Obama was born outside of the United States, he is not eligible to serve as President of our great country!

So where was Mr. Obama born?

He claims to have a copy of his birth certificate. That means that either he knows where he was born, or he's lying about having that document.

And only Barack Hussein Obama's ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE can answer that question of where he was born. But he has teams of attorneys, all across the country, spending, and doing, whatever it takes to make sure that no one, and I mean NO ONE, will be allowed to see the one document that can clear up this controversy

Mr. Obama has claimed that his Presidential administration will be the most transparent in history. Yet, he will not make public the one document that could end all of the questions about the legitimacy of his election as President.

And you have to ask yourself, WHY?

Is it because this is some unimportant "technicality"? No, a requirement of the U. S. Constitution is not a mere "technicality"!

Is it because "President" Obama (if he is the President of the United States) has more important issues to deal with, and can't spare the time to deal with such a trivial issue? No, what is more important than the integrity of the Office of the President?

Or, is there something more involved?

Another question that the Obamaphiles don't want to answer is why, in 2005, was a law firm with ties to Mr. Obama researching the question as to how to evade the requirements of Article II of the United States Constitution, regarding the requirements to serve as President. 2005? Three years before the Presidential campaign?

If that doesn't raise questions in your mind, then nothing will!

And then there's the statements made by representatives of the State of Hawaii!

According to Dr. Chiyome Fukino, of the State of Hawaii's Department of Health,

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Exactly what does that mean? If she can access it, why can't we? It is that very record that USJF financed lawsuits in Mississippi and in Hawaii were seeking to force into the public arena! But Obama's attorneys, and his allies in state government, stopped those efforts cold!

So, the time of decision is now!

Do we give up?

Do we just ignore this threat to our Constitution? To our very form of government?

We here at USJF say NO!

Now is not the time to give up this fight!

Now is not the time to walk away from the most important Constitutional battle in our lifetime!

Now is the time to redouble our efforts to find out the truth!

Now is the time to tell Barack Hussein Obama that the United States Constitution is far more important than his political ambition!

But we can only do this with your help! With your financial support, and with the financial support of everyone that you know!

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Will you stand with us?

Sincerely,

Gary Kreep, Executive Director

United States Justice Foundation

P.S. This is the biggest political cover-up in American history! It would be so simple to release the documents to PROVE Obama is a natural-born citizen... IF THEY HAD THE DOCUMENTS!

Barack Hussein Obama thinks he can get away with DUPING the American people and DESTROYING the U.S. Constitution. DON'T LET HIM DO IT!

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The fact is that nowhere in the original statement did hawaii say that the BC stated Obama was born in Hawaii. Only that it was on file. Kenya is Obama's birthplace.

Obama's 'birth certificate' not acceptable in Hawaii?

Even state requires long-form document for some eligibility, identification issues

Posted: June 07, 2009

4:10 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

From the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website

WASHINGTON – The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a "natural born citizen" would not be accepted as a "birth certificate" even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues, WND has learned.

The investigation follows a Honolulu Star Bulletin column Saturday, which quotes a state Department of Health spokeswoman as saying the state's current certification of live birth is recognized "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

The website of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, however, states clearly the certification of live birth touted by the Obama campaign, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and a host of other Obama defenders is not acceptable as a form of identification to qualify under this program.

As WND has reported, certifications of live birth were widely issued to Hawaiians born in foreign countries in 1961, the year Obama was born.

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The Star Bulletin column goes on to report: "The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign website a fake."

However, Obama's "citizenship" was never the question raised during the campaign or after the election. The issue raised by WND has consistently been that Obama failed to prove he was actually born in Hawaii and thus constitutionally qualified to become president as a "natural born citizen" – which requires that the birth took place in the United States.

The qualifications for the Hawaiian Home Lands program require a certified copy of a standard birth certificate – also known as the "long-form certificate" filled out in the hospital and including details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

According to Hawaii's Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, the state only issues "certifications" of live births since 2001 when the health department went paperless. It is only available in electronic form, she said.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she is quoted as telling the Star Bulletin. "The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

She did not explain how those needing a standard long-form birth certificate to qualify for programs such as those offered by the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands or to establish proof of eligibility to be president could be fulfilled. She said the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements." She did not, however, cite any specific rulings, and the Supreme Court has not taken up the issue of whether the certification of live birth would qualify a presidential candidate as eligible under the "natural born citizen" clause

Many of members of the public commenting on the Star Bulletin column raised similar questions:

"I'm fifty years old and I need to apply for a passport," wrote one. "So I scan some representation of COLB onto my Facebook page. If I take my laptop to the DMV, can I just open my laptop to show my web page to the clerk who will then verify my citizenship and issue me a legal passport? I'm sorry but some documents need a paper trail."

"To be president you need to be a 'natural born citizen,'" said another. "That means you are born in this country of 'parents that are citizens.' Note that both 'parent' and 'citizen' are plural. His father was a British subject and, yes, under the laws of both the United States and the UK at the time [when] he was born, Obama's citizenship was passed by descent of the father. These are the facts. We have laws and no one is above them."

"There seems to be a great deal of secrecy surrounding this whole situation," said another. "I've read that he has three legal teams keeping his info private. He has also had all his college records sealed. So this is transparency and change? Why all the mystery?"

Additional controversy over where Obama was born came when the woman the president says is his paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, claimed to have been present at her grandson's birth in Mombasa, Kenya.

Joseph Farah, WND editor and chief executive officer, launched a national billboard campaign last month in an effort to keep the issue before the American people. The billboards, being leased around the country, ask the simple question, "Where's the birth certificate?" Farah is asking the public to support his campaign with donations. So far, more than $75,000 has been collected.

Last week, CBS, the largest provider of outdoor advertising in the country, announced it would refuse requests for space for the campaign. But Farah says CBS' refusal to lease space for the campaign will not hinder it.

"There are plenty of other billboard companies willing and eager to take our money," said Farah. "The only obstacle to this campaign is raising the money necessary to make it truly a national phenomenon."

The billboard campaign followed one launched months earlier to collect the names on an electronic petition demanding accountability and transparency on the issue. So far, that petition has gathered nearly 400,000 names.

The campaign got a boost last week when WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Obama's press secretary, Robert Gibbs, why the president wouldn't release his birth certificate. Gibbs' response was covered live on C-SPAN and by Fox News Channel and others – excluding CBS.

It was the first time any member of the press corps has publicly asked a member of the administration a question directly related to Obama's constitutional eligibility for office as a "natural born citizen."

Congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," but no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

Both the petition and the billboard campaign are part of what Farah calls an independent "truth and transparency campaign."

The first sign to be posted under the campaign, a digital, electronic one, is up and online on Highway 165 in Ball, La. – the result of a donation by the owner. In addition, based on the heavy volume of financial donations in the first days of the campaign, WND was able to commit to leasing three more standard billboards – one in Los Angeles, another in Orange County, Calif. and a third in Pennsylvania.

lauralee11957,

Thanks for insulting me in a topic that I hadn't even posted in.

LMAO.

classyree,

You really don't have a clue, do you? "On record" doesn't necessarily mean that they have the original physical copy in a file drawer somewhere. Judging from the rest of the article, it probably means that they entered all the information from the original BC into a computer database, possibly destroying the physical BC afterward. Computer files take up a lot less room these days.

In order to see and verify that they have the data from the original, all they would have to do is display the record that's in the database.