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You may ask : Why did you post this, this has nothing to do with a birth certificate?

My answer: Because it's far more entertaining than the same TIRED question, AND it has just about as much to do with transparency in government as most of the posts here.

P.S.- If you can't beat 'em, spam 'em.

P.P.S.- Isn't that the birther mantra?

Hee-hee-hee!!

That is a stupid, idiotic, and totally senseless post and it has absoultely no relevance to the Constitutionally significant issue under discussion. If you are only looking for entertainment, you need to go elsewhere.

You birfers ARE our entertainment!!

blckmonrikker ---- If we are so entertaining, then why is there such an effort underway to try and shut us up?

I am not yet convinced Obama is an illegal president, although I am also not sure he is Constitutionally qualified to be president.

But, rather than arguing this point I ask the following.

Even if we get clear proof Obama is not qualified to be president, what can we do? Obama controls the military and the rest of federal law enforcement agents.

ricardomigrant-- It's never too late to protect our Constitution and what is stands for.

Remember, the basis for for the natural born requirement was to insure that the holder of the highest position in our Government would bear true allegiance to our Consitution and our Country. Obama has on ocassion publically found fault with our Constitution and Country. He has done this falsely thinking his views represent the citizens of this Country when in fact he betrays our trust by demeaning the greatness of this Country and all it has historically done for the world community. There are very few countries in the world where people will sneak over the border to get in under great peril just to experience the opportunities afforded to them. If this Country is so terrible why to we have such an illegal immigration problem? It is extremely insulting to many for him to be gifted with the office and then deride our Country as if it only became great following his election to office. Absolutely the epitomy of arrogance by someone who fails to bear true allegiance to this country and exactly the reason why the Consitutional framers inserted the 'natural born' requirement in Art. II of the Constitution.

"blckmonrikker ---- If we are so entertaining, then why is there such an effort underway to try and shut us up? "

Another over-estimation of your impact. No one's trying to shut you up. You're like the Jehovah's witnesses. No one really cares. You have a 100% loss rate. You're not even close to getting HEARD, much less listened to. Those of us that HAVE listened have busted a gut laughing.

Far from trying to shut you up, we want you to keep yakking. Your guy is the the one who filed a BC signed by Dudley Doright as part of a a legal complaint, not us.

So if a question is not answered we all should just shut up and move on?Even if it threatens America?lol You are a shill and a traitor fool.

I may be a shill and a traitor, but I'm not a legal moron. Your issue is a loser. You are swinging at balls that haven't been pitched and thinking you are hitting home runs.

You're not.

If you were smart you'd be organizing to face down Hillary in 2016. But you're not smart.

Obama's 'birth certificate' not acceptable in Hawaii?

Even state requires long-form document for some eligibility, identification issues

Posted: June 07, 2009

4:10 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

From the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website

WASHINGTON – The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a "natural born citizen" would not be accepted as a "birth certificate" even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues, WND has learned.

The investigation follows a Honolulu Star Bulletin column Saturday, which quotes a state Department of Health spokeswoman as saying the state's current certification of live birth is recognized "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

The website of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, however, states clearly the certification of live birth touted by the Obama campaign, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and a host of other Obama defenders is not acceptable as a form of identification to qualify under this program.

As WND has reported, certifications of live birth were widely issued to Hawaiians born in foreign countries in 1961, the year Obama was born.

Are you motivated yet to join the billboard campaign and clear up the air of mystery surrounding Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve?

The Star Bulletin column goes on to report: "The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign website a fake."

However, Obama's "citizenship" was never the question raised during the campaign or after the election. The issue raised by WND has consistently been that Obama failed to prove he was actually born in Hawaii and thus constitutionally qualified to become president as a "natural born citizen" – which requires that the birth took place in the United States.

The qualifications for the Hawaiian Home Lands program require a certified copy of a standard birth certificate – also known as the "long-form certificate" filled out in the hospital and including details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

According to Hawaii's Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, the state only issues "certifications" of live births since 2001 when the health department went paperless. It is only available in electronic form, she said.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she is quoted as telling the Star Bulletin. "The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

She did not explain how those needing a standard long-form birth certificate to qualify for programs such as those offered by the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands or to establish proof of eligibility to be president could be fulfilled. She said the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements." She did not, however, cite any specific rulings, and the Supreme Court has not taken up the issue of whether the certification of live birth would qualify a presidential candidate as eligible under the "natural born citizen" clause

Many of members of the public commenting on the Star Bulletin column raised similar questions:

"I'm fifty years old and I need to apply for a passport," wrote one. "So I scan some representation of COLB onto my Facebook page. If I take my laptop to the DMV, can I just open my laptop to show my web page to the clerk who will then verify my citizenship and issue me a legal passport? I'm sorry but some documents need a paper trail."

"To be president you need to be a 'natural born citizen,'" said another. "That means you are born in this country of 'parents that are citizens.' Note that both 'parent' and 'citizen' are plural. His father was a British subject and, yes, under the laws of both the United States and the UK at the time [when] he was born, Obama's citizenship was passed by descent of the father. These are the facts. We have laws and no one is above them."

"There seems to be a great deal of secrecy surrounding this whole situation," said another. "I've read that he has three legal teams keeping his info private. He has also had all his college records sealed. So this is transparency and change? Why all the mystery?"

Additional controversy over where Obama was born came when the woman the president says is his paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, claimed to have been present at her grandson's birth in Mombasa, Kenya.

Joseph Farah, WND editor and chief executive officer, launched a national billboard campaign last month in an effort to keep the issue before the American people. The billboards, being leased around the country, ask the simple question, "Where's the birth certificate?" Farah is asking the public to support his campaign with donations. So far, more than $75,000 has been collected.

Last week, CBS, the largest provider of outdoor advertising in the country, announced it would refuse requests for space for the campaign. But Farah says CBS' refusal to lease space for the campaign will not hinder it.

"There are plenty of other billboard companies willing and eager to take our money," said Farah. "The only obstacle to this campaign is raising the money necessary to make it truly a national phenomenon."

The billboard campaign followed one launched months earlier to collect the names on an electronic petition demanding accountability and transparency on the issue. So far, that petition has gathered nearly 400,000 names.

The campaign got a boost last week when WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Obama's press secretary, Robert Gibbs, why the president wouldn't release his birth certificate. Gibbs' response was covered live on C-SPAN and by Fox News Channel and others – excluding CBS.

It was the first time any member of the press corps has publicly asked a member of the administration a question directly related to Obama's constitutional eligibility for office as a "natural born citizen."

Congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," but no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

Both the petition and the billboard campaign are part of what Farah calls an independent "truth and transparency campaign."

The first sign to be posted under the campaign, a digital, electronic one, is up and online on Highway 165 in Ball, La. – the result of a donation by the owner. In addition, based on the heavy volume of financial donations in the first days of the campaign, WND was able to commit to leasing three more standard billboards – one in Los Angeles, another in Orange County, Calif. and a third in Pennsylvania.

many negative responsives....your post appear to be getting just negative, non support responsives.

maybe that is what you want....bad responses/bad attention....is better than no attention.

I don't expect positive responses to deliberate spam-I'm just humoring myself with the obtuse ranting of wingnut birthers. Thanks for adding to my enjoyment!

p112244,

"That is a stupid, idiotic, and totally senseless post and it has absoultely no relevance to the Constitutionally significant issue under discussion. If you are only looking for entertainment, you need to go elsewhere."

That was a real hoot, considering that nothing posted on the birther "issue" has any relevance to the purpose of this website. This website was put up for a specific purpose, and birthers simply hijacked it, without any regard for either the rules or other people.

Yet they complain that Obama's not following the rules. What hypocrites. You need t go elsewhere.