This site could be a very useful tool for the citizens of this country to submit ideas on the machinations of gov't BUT....at this juncture we do not have a legitimate president. AND....according to most of the exhaustive research into this issue Mr. Obama may not even be an American citizen.
And to my fellow "birthers" out there I would submit to you that most of the people that voted for Obama are more than likely nice decent souls as I'm sure you all know a few. I certainly wish no ill will to any of them as some are dear friends of mine. They are simply ill-informed. I really believe in most cases it is as simple as that.
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"according to most of the exhaustive research into this issue Mr. Obama may not even be an American citizen"
Really? Where can I find this exhaustive research, Mr. Upstate NY piano player? You seem to be trying to gild a turd. The exhaustive research you describe is Swiss cheese log full of holes, suppositions and lies. And your fears about a black president allow you to contort your mind into a pretzel in order to believe it.
The people who followed Jim Jones to death were "nice decent souls".
blackmonrikker, this has nothing to do with race, it is about philosophy. the race card seems to be a very popular defense for liberals, but in most cases it isn't valid.
The birth certificate "controversy" is the final nail in the coffin for American conservatives.
Cons: Please remain focused on this issue.
Obama: Please do not release your documents so that these loons have something to theorize about instead of being relevant.
It's not just the BC! What is being hide from WE THE PEOPLE????
* Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — Lawyers fees — greater than $1,000,000 — birth certificate — $15.
* Certification of Live Birth — Released – Counterfeit – Case and Affidavits
* Admitted British citizenship at birth — Confirmed via FactCheck.org/FightTheSmears.com
* Birth Announcement — Alleged to be a forgery
* Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
* Obama/Dunham divorce – Released (by independent investigators)
* Kindergarten records – Records lost (this is a big one — see here – read two frames)
* Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
* Soetoro adoption records — Not released
* Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
* Punahou School records — Not released
* Soetoro/Dunham divorce – Released (by independent investigators)
* Selective Service Registration — Released – Counterfeit – Document Locator Number update
* Occidental College records — Not released
* Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser
* Columbia College records — Not released
* Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” – Not released
* Harvard College records — Not released
* Harvard Law Review articles — None
* Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
* Baptism certificate — None
* Medical records — Not released
* Illinois State Senate records — None
* Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
* Law practice client list — Not released
* University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
"blackmonrikker, this has nothing to do with race, it is about philosophy. the race card seems to be a very popular defense for liberals, but in most cases it isn't valid"
Tsiya, I didn't play the race card. santorajj admitted his fears about Obama in another thread.
Obama is a philosophical liberal. So was Clinton. If all this is about philosophy, where was santorajj's fear in 1992? He claims this is the first time he's been afraid.
My fears are about a Gramscian president, exactly what we have now.
Well, my original post wasn't directed at you, was it, Tisya?
Your fears are your own. My fears revolve around a shooting war with the Chinese sucking in my children in the primes of their lives unless we pay these people back.
blackmonrikker:
Deal with the issue. It's here, it's real and people of EVERY race, creed, and color want and need to know.
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It's not just the BC! What is being hide from WE THE PEOPLE????
* Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released — Lawyers fees — greater than $1,000,000 — birth certificate — $15.
* Certification of Live Birth — Released – Counterfeit – Case and Affidavits
* Admitted British citizenship at birth — Confirmed via FactCheck.org/FightTheSmears.com
* Birth Announcement — Alleged to be a forgery
* Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
* Obama/Dunham divorce – Released (by independent investigators)
* Kindergarten records – Records lost (this is a big one — see here – read two frames)
* Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
* Soetoro adoption records — Not released
* Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released (by independent investigators)
* Punahou School records — Not released
* Soetoro/Dunham divorce – Released (by independent investigators)
* Selective Service Registration — Released – Counterfeit – Document Locator Number update
* Occidental College records — Not released
* Passport — Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser
* Columbia College records — Not released
* Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” – Not released
* Harvard College records — Not released
* Harvard Law Review articles — None
* Illinois Bar Records — Not released.
* Baptism certificate — None
* Medical records — Not released
* Illinois State Senate records — None
* Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
* Law practice client list — Not released
* University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
To blackmonrikker:
"The exhaustive research you describe is Swiss cheese log full of holes, suppositions and lies."
And where is a single shred of legal proof that Mr. Obama meets the eligibility requirements as set forth by the Constitution to be POTUS?
The image posted on the internet is NOT legal proof. An image by the way, that originated not from Mr. Obama's campaign but came from one of several posted on PhotoBucket that a blogger sent to DailyKos, which first posted the image. An image that has been shown to be a fake.
Snopes.com and FactCheck.org claims are irrelevant. Neither are legal entities, as in the FBI, FEC, DOJ. Both Snopes and FactCheck of claims amount to nothing more than non-legal opinions.
Mr. Obama posted a lower resolution/modified version of the image and claimed it was something it was not. The document clearly states it is a "Certification of Live Birth" NOT a Birth Certificate as Mr. Obama claims it is. Even if the document were real, Hawaii itself does not consider it legal proof of being born in Hawaii.
The burden of proof is on Mr. Obama since he made the claim and his claim has been shown to be bogus.
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Prevere: "Deal with the issue. It's here, it's real and people of EVERY race, creed, and color want and need to know."
I have dealt with it. I've laughed long and I've laughed hard. After looking at the evidence, that is.
Photosrme: "And where is a single shred of legal proof that Mr. Obama meets the eligibility requirements as set forth by the Constitution to be POTUS?"
And where is the law that says he has to provide anything to YOU and the other presumptuous birfers?
This whole birfer exercise is a useless cluster wank. And you know it.
Bill Clinton was an AMERICAN CITIZEN (I didn't personally care for him that much, but I'd take him any day over Obama, mainly because he didn't accelerate our trip down the road towards socialism!), and could prove it with the appropriate documentation.
The logic here is unbelievable. If it's irrefutable that he is truly a natural born American citizen, why doesn't he just put an end to all of the questioning, and PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTS!!! Long form birth certificate, college records, etc... It's not that difficult. And all of us "crazy" people would simply shut up.
There HAS been exhaustive research done in regards to this issue by the people who have brought suit against him. The case that is currently at the Supreme Court was EXTENSIVELY researched by Dr. Orly Taitz. Most people do not know this because the story hasn't been covered by ANY of the mainstream media (FOXnews included!). You need to look beyond snopes, factcheck, figththesmears, and the mainstream news networks...
blackmonrikker,
I wish you hadn't sounded so angry in your response to my post. I certainly have nothing against you or anyone else of color. I am the furthest thing from a racist you can imagine. For your information from 1980 - 1990 I toured the US with a jazz fusion band made up of three african americans and two caucasions. To this day they are some of my closest friends. Don't call me a racist. You sound like an intelligent person. Act that way.
The issue that needs to be addressed by everyone is the loss of all of our freedoms. Don't confuse government permission to have kinky sex with actual freedom, as is being suggested we do. The Founding Fathers based this nation on their knowledge of history, they did not just make snap decisions.
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Update on The biggest political cover up in American history
Worse than Watergate, Whitewatergate, or any of the other cover ups of previous administrations, is the question of whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States of America... OR, is he a FRAUD, a USURPER, a man with no legal authority to sit in the position that he now claims to hold?
Barack Obama could simply put the issue to rest RIGHT NOW by releasing his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE! But he WON'T! Instead, he has had teams of attorneys all over the country, fighting "tooth and nail" to thwart the efforts of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF), and our allies in a number of states, to compel him to produce an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and to prove that he is Constitutionally eligible to serve as President of these United States!
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Ohio, Mississippi, Hawaii, and California! These are the states where USJF has been involved in lawsuits seeking an answer to this critical constitutional question!
And now, in California, just like in every lawsuit filed over this issue, the Obama team of attorneys, working with liberal allies in the office of California Attorney General Jerry Brown, has convinced a Sacramento County Superior Court judge to dismiss USJF's suit to force the truth to come out about whether Barack Obama is a "natural born" citizen, and, therefore, eligible to serve as President of the United States.
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A number of apologists for Barack Obama have gone to great lengths to belittle USJF and our allies in the fight to preserve our Constitution. However, the questions that they cannot answer are:
If Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to hide, WHY doesn't he just make his real birth certificate public? WHY has he spent a almost $900,000.00 in attorney fees, for, among other things, fighting USJF's efforts to obtain his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The more that he fights these efforts to see this document, the more that you have to wonder, WHY?
Obama supporters want everyone to believe that only "fringies," the people that they now call "birthers," in other words, only people that they claim are outside of the main stream of thinking, question whether Mr. Obama is truly eligible to serve as President of the United States of America. But the truth of the matter is that more and more people, including many federal, state, and local elected officials, AND many in the military, are questioning whether Barack Hussein Obama is, indeed, a "natural born citizen," a Constitutional requirement for him to serve as President of these United States.
The citizens of this country have the right to know if Barack Obama is, indeed, eligible to serve as President! And we here at the United States Justice Foundation are going to take our lawsuit all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary, to find out the answer to this critical question.
This fight to discover the truth will be neither easy nor inexpensive, but isn't protecting the Constitution worth it? And that is exactly what this legal battle is all about,
PROTECTING THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!
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Barack Obama wants you to ignore what he is doing, he wants you to ignore the U.S. Constitution, he wants you to think that the parts of the Constitution that he does not agree with (like the requirements to serve as President) are unimportant.
In effect, he wants to destroy the U. S. Constitution and reshape this country into his own image of what he wants it to be.
And Barack Obama's attorneys have now taken another big step to destroy the Constitution of the United States -- this time in a California State Court. Those attorneys, working with liberal California State Attorney General Jerry Brown, convinced the Judge in our case to rule that only Members of Congress can challenge the qualifications of Mr. Obama, or any candidate, to serve as President.
And, the Judge further ruled that such a challenge could only be made on the 6th day of January following the meeting of the Presidential electors, at the session of Congress where the vote of the Electoral College is counted and the results announced. To use the Judge's words, this is "the exclusive means for challenges to the qualifications of President..."
That means that no one, except a Member of Congress, and only on one certain day of the year following the Presidential election, can challenge the qualifications of a President-Elect! And then, the challenge can only be successful if a majority of the Members of Congress support the challenge! And that means that the politicians, not the people, are in control of who becomes President if there is an eligibility issue!
Is that what you want? Do you believe that the majority party in both Houses of Congress should be deciding who is eligible to serve as President? Do you want Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid deciding who is President?
That means that the requirements of the U. S. Constitution as to the eligibility of the man or woman who runs for President to serve as President are meaningless!
Do you believe that the Constitution is a meaningless document? Do you believe that a majority of the Members of Congress have the right to ignore it? To render it of no force and effect?
The Trial Court Judge in our case did! But we are not going to accept his decision. We are not going to accept the legal arguments made by Barack Hussein Obama's attorneys, and those by attorneys from liberal California Attorney General Jerry Brown. We are going to keep fighting this monumentally important legal battle all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary.
IT'S A BATTLE THAT WE MUST FIGHT!
IT'S A BATTLE THAT WE MUST WIN!
IT'S A BATTLE THAT WILL DECIDE WHETHER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL REMAIN A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, OR WHETHER WE WILL JOIN THE DUST HEAP OF HISTORY AS JUST ANOTHER FAILED EXPERIMENT!
USJF IS IN A BATTLE THAT COULD CHANGE THE HISTORY OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY! -- but we need YOUR help to WIN!
IT'S A BATTLE TO SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION!
IT'S A BATTLE TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY!
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We MUST learn the truth about whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen!
But to blunt our efforts to learn the truth, the Trial Court also blocked our subpoena for the college records of Mr. Obama! These vital records could have proven whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States, or whether he is a USURPER, a FRAUD, sitting in the oval office without any legal authority to do so!
What is in those records? We do not know. But the Obama legal team pulled out all of the stops to block the subpoena, so we believe that there is something in those college records that bears on the critical issue of whether Barack Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States.
JUST LIKE WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A REASON WHY THE OBAMA LEGAL TEAM, ACCORDING TO A PUBLISHED REPORT, HAS BEEN PAID OVER $800,000.00, and as much as almost $900,000.00, TO KEEP THE PUBLIC FROM SEEING HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE -- NOT THE PHONEY ONE THAT HE PUT UP ON HIS WEBSITE.
There is no doubt in my mind that this e-mail may be the one of the most important documents that you ever read!
What you do after reading this e-mail may well determine the fate of the United States of America!
Please know that we are not saying that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States of America. The problem is we just do not know!
We do know that Barack Obama's maternal step-grandmother has proclaimed that she was present at his birth in Mombasa, in what is now Kenya, in Africa!
We do know that a fake birth certificate was put up on Obama's website!
We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in every case filed over this issue; to make sure that no one has access to his birth certificate.
We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in our California case; to make sure that no one has access to his college records.
DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
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The voters of the United States of America have the right to know whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen," as REQUIRED by the U. S. Constitution!
It's a question that MUST be answered!
Why? Because, if an unqualified person was elected to the Office of President of the United States, our entire form of government could be compromised!
Why?
Because, if Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States, each and every act that he takes as President will be null and void! That's right, each bill that he signs into law, every Executive Order that he issues, and each and every one of his nominations to his Cabinet and to the federal courts will have no legal effect!
I don't make that statement lightly. It's not an exaggeration.
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution provides, in pertinent part, as follows: "No Person except a natural born Citizen... shall be eligible to the Office of President..."
That means that neither Osama Bin Laden, nor California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, nor Obama billionaire money man George Soros can serve as President of the United States. That also means that if Barack Obama was born outside of the United States, he is not eligible to serve as President of our great country!
So where was Mr. Obama born?
He claims to have a copy of his birth certificate. That means that either he knows where he was born, or he's lying about having that document.
And only Barack Hussein Obama's ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE can answer that question of where he was born. But he has teams of attorneys, all across the country, spending, and doing, whatever it takes to make sure that no one, and I mean NO ONE, will be allowed to see the one document that can clear up this controversy
Mr. Obama has claimed that his Presidential administration will be the most transparent in history. Yet, he will not make public the one document that could end all of the questions about the legitimacy of his election as President.
And you have to ask yourself, WHY?
Is it because this is some unimportant "technicality"? No, a requirement of the U. S. Constitution is not a mere "technicality"!
Is it because "President" Obama (if he is the President of the United States) has more important issues to deal with, and can't spare the time to deal with such a trivial issue? No, what is more important than the integrity of the Office of the President?
Or, is there something more involved?
Another question that the Obamaphiles don't want to answer is why, in 2005, was a law firm with ties to Mr. Obama researching the question as to how to evade the requirements of Article II of the United States Constitution, regarding the requirements to serve as President. 2005? Three years before the Presidential campaign?
If that doesn't raise questions in your mind, then nothing will!
And then there's the statements made by representatives of the State of Hawaii!
According to Dr. Chiyome Fukino, of the State of Hawaii's Department of Health,
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
Exactly what does that mean? If she can access it, why can't we? It is that very record that USJF financed lawsuits in Mississippi and in Hawaii were seeking to force into the public arena! But Obama's attorneys, and his allies in state government, stopped those efforts cold!
So, the time of decision is now!
Do we give up?
Do we just ignore this threat to our Constitution? To our very form of government?
We here at USJF say NO!
Now is not the time to give up this fight!
Now is not the time to walk away from the most important Constitutional battle in our lifetime!
Now is the time to redouble our efforts to find out the truth!
Now is the time to tell Barack Hussein Obama that the United States Constitution is far more important than his political ambition!
But we can only do this with your help! With your financial support, and with the financial support of everyone that you know!
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Will you stand with us?
Sincerely,
Gary Kreep, Executive Director
United States Justice Foundation
P.S. This is the biggest political cover-up in American history! It would be so simple to release the documents to PROVE Obama is a natural-born citizen... IF THEY HAD THE DOCUMENTS!
Barack Hussein Obama thinks he can get away with DUPING the American people and DESTROYING the U.S. Constitution. DON'T LET HIM DO IT!
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