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ABANDON ISRAEL AND THE WRATH THAT WILL RAIN DOWN ON THIS NATION WILL MAKE WHAT WE ARE GOING THRU NOW LOOK LIKE A PICNIC. I REALLY HOPE THE WRATH WILL BE DIRECTED AGAINST THE ONE MAKING THE DECISION RATHER THAN THE CITIZENS WHO DISAGREE, BUT ITS HIGHLY UNLIKELY. THE NATION WILL PAY.

See, this is what I mean. NOT SUPPORTING ZIONISM DOES NOT MEAN TURNING OUR BACK ON ISRAEL. Israel needs to be stripped of it Zionist pull, only then will the corruption end. The same applied for Hammas.

Where in the Constitution does it allow the Congress or the Executive to tax the people and then give the money to a foreign government? Israel could be supported by individuals and groups from the USA and elsewhere, but should not be supported by tax money. (And neither should any other country.)

Yeah right.

Like the promise to send the terrorist state of Palestine nearly a billion dollars was pro-American.

Anyone involved in eventually sending that money to the terrorist state should be tried on charges of Treason, including Mr. Obama.

Well I see Zionists run this web site. Who woulda thunk it.

Terrorist state of Palestine? People need to get over this meaningless word "Terrorist". It's is absolutely MEANINGLESS. The same can be said about Israel, obviously you have seen how they terrorize innocent civilians while controlling their police state. If you want to make "terrorism" a real word with meaning then Israel falls under that same category just like Hammas.

isreal: bringing misery to the world for 60 years! Do you feel superior to everyone else? Then you might be israeli! Where else in the world has racial superiority been codified into law? Drive on roads for israelis only. Steal land from inferior people! Kill thousands of innocent women and children, and scream about how they are victimizing you! Take huge handouts from the US. Make false flag terror attacks and blame it on brown skinned Muslims. Did you get caught cheating someone in another country? Run away to israel! That is, if you are one of the chosen. If not, then get the hell off our land!

Why is it you racist leftists always try to equate Zionism with racism? Do you even know what Zionism is? It's love of a Jewish homeland. It means the same as Patriotism means to some of us who live in America.

You use Zionism for one reason only, and that is to hide your own hatred and racism for Jews and Israel. Get your head out of your rear, and see yourself for what you really are.

No, Zionism is not patriotism. Zionism is pure politics. Zionists are the racists. Obviously non of you have been to the Israel. I swear religion is tearing the world apart. Israel doesn't even have a right to be where they are. Their argument is "it's their land because 'god' gave it to them". WTF is that? What if Russia or China came here and said this is our land because god said so? And patriotism moves fast towards nationalism and nationalism is NOT a good thing. It leads to corrupt governments like we have in the US and in Israel.

In what way is it racist to want your own country? The Africans have Africa. The Arabs own most of the Middle East. The Germans have Germany. The French have France. I don't see anyone calling them racists.

As I've said, and I stand by my words, Zionism has become a pitiful excuse for the political left to use racist behavior against Jews. It is political chic for the left to be antisemitic, and support the Palestinians at all costs, even though Israel is NOT entirely to blame for the Palestinian plight. The Arabs share a lot of responsibility for the Palestinian plight.

1. An ideology - Zionist ideology holds that the Jews are a people or nation like any other, and should gather together in a single homeland. Zionism was self-consciously the Jewish analogue of Italian and German national liberation movements of the nineteenth century. The term "Zionism" was apparently coined in 1891 by the Austrian publicist Nathan Birnbaum, to describe the new ideology, but it was used retroactively to describe earlier efforts and ideas to return the Jews to their homeland for whatever reasons, and it is applied to Evangelical Christians who want people of the Jewish religion to return to Israel in order to hasten the second coming. "Christian Zionism" is also used to describe any Christian support for Israel.

2. A descriptive term - The term "Zionism" was apparently coined in 1891 by the Austrian publicist Nathan Birnbaum, to describe the new ideology. It is also used to describe anyone who believes Jews should return to their ancient homeland.

3. A political movement - The Zionist movement was founded by Theodor Herzl in 1897, incorporating the ideas of early thinkers as well as the organization built by Hovevei Tziyon ("lovers of Zion").

Is it racist for Jews to want their own homeland after the world has treated them so harshly? Is it wrong for them to want to return to the land that was part of their Biblical roots? What would each of you desire if you were in their shoes? Ask yourselves those questions before you go foaming at the mouth, and remember the Holocaust in which 6 million Jews perished. All it takes is one person to hate. Then that hate multiplies. Next thing you know, you're out there persecuting others without a clear reason, because all you can feel is the hate that eats away at your soul. Hate kills.

Africa is not a country first of all.....I'm just going to stop there because you just proved you have the intelligence of a Miss America contestant, no offense to Miss America contestants....:) I kid, I kid. No but really.

Another thing, whoever said I equated Zionism to racism? I never made it an issue until you came running your mouth about racism. You project your own racist reality on to me because you are the one that is truly the racist. I have issues with Zionism because of the corporate powers that are tearing this Republic apart. It is a political concern, not a meaningless race issue.

reverse racism will get you nowhere. Neither will your attempt to wheedle out of a discussion you're losing. Shame on you! I know Africa isn't a country. It's a continent. I threw that in to test you, ands of course you took the bait, and switched to name calling mode when you saw you couldn't win. Always look for the hidden motive. There is one, you know. I wiser man would have thought more carefully before swallowing the bait.

You yourself stated that Zionists are racist, so my dear fellow, you equated zionism with racism in that very statement you made. Shame on you again! LIAR!

The Palestinian people could have had a homeland any time they wanted it. They even had the right to return to their homes, or seek just compensation for them after Israel's war for independence.

To blame Israel for everything isn't being historically accurate or fair. Keep in mind the Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims in their own right. Yet they are despised by their Arab brothers. They were also used as a tool by the Arabs after Israel won the war for thewir independence. Instead of allowing the palestinian refugees to return home, as was ascribed in UN resolution 194. Yet there were also rights given to the Jews in 194 that the Arabs couldn't live with. So what the Arabs did to the Palestinians was force them to live in squallid refugee camps, huddled along Israel's borders.

Why did the Arabs do this? For the simple fact that Resolution 194 recognized Israel's right to exist, and the Arabs didn't want that. By forcing the Palestinians to live in refugee camps, they were also ignoring Israel's right to exist.

What the Arabs did next was to drive every Jew out of Arab lands, causing in influx of Jewish refugees into the new state of Israel. You would think that the Arabs would have then invited their Palestinian brothers to live in the newly vacated homes that they had driven the Jews out of. But they didn't. They didn't care about the Palestinians. They didn't want to assimilate them into Arab culture, even though they were their brothers.

Keep in mind, it was the Arabs who caused the refugee problem in the first place by making the palestinians leave their homes. The Arabs promised them they could return after they drove every last Jew into the sea. theoretically, the arabs should have been able to do this. Their combined armies outnumbered the new Israeli defense force by a ten to one margin. Yet the Arabs couldn't defeat them. this is where Arab stubbornness comes into play. Instead of thinking about liberating the land for the Palestinian people, they began to think about whose country would rule the land once the Jews were driven into the sea. They started to fight and bicker amongst themselves, and eventually the arab coalition began to splinter. Many of them threw down their weapons and went home mad. Without a united cause, the war with Israel became lost.

So here we are, the poor Palestinians are trapped in the middle of an ancient war that has gone on for quite a long time. The Arabs are just as responsible for the Palestinian plight as are the Israelis. They could have done something other than what they did to the Palestinians, which was to cause them to live in squallor and hopelessness in the first place. Squallor and hopelessness leads to hatred, and hatred was just what the arabs wanted the Palestinians to feel toward the Israelis.

So I kindly ask you, who do you think is more responsible for the Palestinian plight?

OHH the old "threw you a test" excuse.... go ahead and run away. You are the one that is engaging in the reverse racism my friend because it is YOU who brought racism into the argument when there were no racists remarks in the posting of my idea. Why are you so afraid that you have to resort to pulling the race card? Is it because you cannot except the fact that Israel has been corrupted by bureaucracies? Anyways, it sounds like you have personal problems that you need to deal with by yourself and maybe you may come to understand your racist nature more closely and honestly.

As for who started the conflict or who is more responsible is irrelevant at this time. Hatred, anger and "terrorism" does not cease by hatred, anger and more "terrorism" but only by love and compassion. This is an eternal truth. "Terrorism" is used by both sides of the field, I choose the middle path and represent the innocent lives that are being lost because of GOVERNMENT, NOT PEOPLE!

You should also go back and read more carefully because I made NO mention of racism until after YOU did. All I am saying I both sides, Hammas and Israel share equal responsibility. People tend to support Zionism because they think it is the "good" side to the Israeli and Palestinian conflict when in truth they are both equally bad for our Republic.

You need to change your name to "withthefarce" because that's exactly what you are. You hide behind Zionists and Zionism as an excuse to hate, and that is clear in everything you posted, and these are your words:

1withtheforce 13 hours ago

Well I see Zionists run this web site. Who woulda thunk it.

How is one suppopsed to take that comment? It's a hateful, racist statement for one to make. It implies hate, it implies racism.

Your next statement:

1withtheforce 4 hours ago

No, Zionism is not patriotism. Zionism is pure politics. Zionists are the racists.

You yourself said Zionists are racists. That alone implies that you believe Zionism is racism. How else is one supposed to interpret your words?

I don't runaway from a fight. I stand my ground, Mr. Racist. I brought up the subject because I read your racist comments and words of hate.

You, sir, are a first class, grade A pile of hate filled contradictions. You can no longer deny what you said, and what it means.

And HOW is that racist? And I never said anything about hating anyone. Zionism is NOT A FREAKING RACE its an IDEA. I said NOTHING about the Jewish people. In order to be racist it would have to involve a RACE.

Saying Zionist run this site has the same principles as saying Fascists run this site which equally acceptable because Zionism IS Fascism!

If you want to see what it's like in Israel and experiencing racism FROM Israel then check this out:

Excuse me"withthefarce" but my statement came AFTER your assertion that this site is run by Zionists. That was a racist statement made specifically by you. Your name, and your name only, is attached to it.

Zionists are Jewish, aren't they? I would say that involves a race, wouldn't you?

Your mentality is what got my people killed during the days of western expansion. You would have been one of the first ones to step up to the podium to call my people bloodthirsty savages. I know it, I can see it in your words. You think with your mind, but you can't feel with your heart. The mind is the human island of change and deception, while the heart in its purest form knows what's right and what's true.

Yes, I am Indian. I am proud to be Cherokee. I disdain the label your people place on mine, which is Native American. Native American is a term which should encompass all who are born here. Yet it is the racism of Political Correctness that labels me and my people alone under this skewered banner of intended racial hatred.

Sir, I have been a victim of racism all my life. I know racism when I see it. If it weren't Zionism you had a bone to pick with, it would be something else. You only see Zionism through the things you've been taught. You have not seen it with your heart. Until you can see things with your heart, you will never truly see them.

Ummm no. You now show you also illogical. Not all Jewish people are Zionist. Not even all Zionist are Jews! There are some Christian Zionists. I would have to ask you too look up Jews Against Zionism. It is the same principle every square is a (special kind of) rectangle, but NOT every rectangle is a square!

And we share common heritage brother. I am also Cherokee. Born and raised in NC, family came back here from Oklahoma.

Race is not even an issue to me. It is absolutely meaningless. And anyone calling out racism from comment with no intention of racism in them, proves they, themselves, have built in hate and ignorance about reality. I could care less about what color skin skin you have, that is a concern for monkeys. As I have said before, you are not going to solve the hate problem by you yourself hating the hater.

I repeat, Zionism is a political idea, a philosophy. Not a race. The race pertaining to that ideal are Jewish. But I said nothing about the Jewish people.

There you go with your reverse racism again. Ho hum! And the usual excrement to go with it I see.

Israel is the closest thing to a democracy in the Middle East. There are Arabs and Druze who serve in the Knesset, and even live in peace in Israel proper. There are even some Palestinians who live there. Of course the Palestinians look at them as collaborators, and they're often hunted down and killed by Palestinian thugs.

Perhaps you did not intend your remarks to be racist, but they did appear that way to me, which is why I challenged you on them. I know of several bigots who use Zionism as a crutch to hide their own racism ,and your words are exactly the same as what they would use, just so you know for future reference. My apologies if I was wrong about you. Please be careful how you say things.

My family comes from Virginia, along the Tenessee border. It's a small town called Big Stone Gap. My animal guide is the hawk, which might or might not explain some things to you.

The Wolf ;)

Concerning Israel and Palestine, going with one or the other is choosing the lesser of two evils to me. They both need reform and the both need to come to their senses.

And I am not accusing of consciously being a racist. It's all sub-conscious. I'm sure you have heard the Cherokee tale that goes:

In us all there are two wolves fighting, which ever one wins depends on the one you feed. (Paraphrasing of course)

Don't be so quick to judge based on race or even racism. Look at the reality that both sides, Israel and Palestine, are creating. A reality of fear and hate all based on religious beliefs. Israel could be a much better democracy if instead of the Zionists have the power, the PEOPLE, the Jewish people had the power as a whole. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

And I also know what the role of Government is, and I know it's role is NOT to take 3 months out of my pay check so it can go into the pockets of BIG BANKERS. It's not the governments role to have all these wasteful government programs now is it? You obviously didn't look up individualism like I told you. Don't worry you stay stuck in your little bubble where the government is there to help you and see how far you get.

that last post was meant for something else ignore it lol

I don't think the present situation is based on religious beliefs as much as it is mutual mistrust and hate. And there are reasons for it.

Keep in mind the Alexandria Protocols, Khartoum Resolutions, Hamas Charter, and Palestinian National Charter are still viable documents, and they all call for the destruction of Israel.

From what I have seen, too much gets blamed on Israel, and Israel is forced to make concessions while the Palestinians get off scott free.

I feel empathy for the Palestinian people, but it's their leaders who have really put them in the mess they're in. Even under Arafat they were kept poor and miserable, and Arafat lived high on the hog while blaming Israel for their poverty. That mindset still hasn't changed even though Arafat is gone. It continues with Hamas and Fatah.

Every time Hamas attacks Israel, and Israel retaliates, Hamas pulls out pockets full of money to give to the Palestinian people to placate their anger and divert it from being directed at them. It's a no win scenario. The only way to break the circle is if Israel beats Hamas to a pulp, which would force them to accept peace and renounce the Hamas Charter. Sometimes war is the only way to peace. It is clear to me after the events of 911 terrorists can't be negotiated with.

Wolf, huh? An interesting guide. I am very familiar with the struggle of the two wolves. There is not a man alive who does not face that inner struggle on a daily basis. The struggles may happen on different levels, but they are always there. Ultimately, it is the struggles we face which make us who we are.

May your struggles be few, may your sorrows be halved, and may your joys always be doubled.

Same too you friend

When the Jewish people returned to Palistine in 1948, they forced Arabs out of their homes and stoll their homes and land. The Arabs were never compensated. Today, some Jewish people continue to take over Arab land without compensating them and treat them like second class citizens. There is a lot of racism in Israel. I do not suggest helping the Palistinians. But I do not want to support a racist government either.

Racism is what corrupt leader use to come to power.

Everybody who hates "X"; follow me and we can share our hatred and start a war. We have all the backing of the Military Industrial Complex.

This is how we are manipulated into throwing away any kind sensible government that cares about it's voters. We are too busy making war on our growing number of enemies.

The Jewish people were dispersed around the world at the end of WWII. When boundaries were redrawn the country of Israel once again became official.

June 1967, there was a bunch of saber rattling starting a 6-day war that ended with Israel claiming ownership of Palestinian lands.

These lands have been occupied by Israel since. After the war Israelis would wine and dine in Palestinian restaurants and shop in their shops. They felt safe back then, what happened?

We have been led to distrust each other for political gain. Wake UP!

And all this fight, why? I can only come to the conclusion that its all for religious reasons. I mean this all started back before the Crusades. I know that this isn't the ONLY reason. But religion is at the core of the reasoning behind the whole thing. Which is really pathetic. All this for the "love of god". But its funny they fight for their superstitious belief in 'god' except that 'god' is what nobody admits to being, and everybody really is....

Zionism is not evil. God is REAL. Islam is evil. Obama is a radical islamist taritor,who has "been caught".

Robert Laity,

'God' is what nobody admits to being, and everybody really is.

Zionism serves its own interests not people or freedom.