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THEY DISAPPEAR SO THE LITTLE WHINER IN THE WHITE HOUSE DOESNT HAVE ANOTHER TEMPER TANTRUM. MUST BE DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH SUCH AN UNRULY CHILD.

Actually, it says in the beginning of this site that the reason that they delete certain posts is not 'censorship' but redundance. When the same thing is repeated over and over, I guess they delete it. Maybe so other posts will be seen too.

"this demand is not going away,the movement is growong like a storm"

Really? Then why are the two main lawyers driving this forward suing each other for libel? Why are their cases so laced with holes and sloppy legal work that EVERY (that's 100% folks!) judge who has heard them has laughed them out of court using the word "frivolous"? Why hasn't a single congressman signed on to this wingnut? Do you know how improbable it is for that to happen? Are all 535 of them traitors? And the SCOTUS, too?

Methinks thou dost overestimate thine influence.

Lame. Get over it. What a bunch of whiny ass sore losers.

The Constitution of the United States of America requires that an elected President be a "natural born" citizen. This is not innuendo.

There is not a requirement that a 'candidate' be a "natural born" citizen, but if elected President the candidate has to be a "natural born" citizen of the United States of America.

Is the Constitution not more important than an election?

Maybe the reason that the people who run this website keep removing posts doing with President Obama's birth certificate is because the purpose of this forum is to discuss actual ideas that will improve this country, not lunatic fringe conspiracy theories. The funny thing is, your more concerned with whether or not his birth certificate (which has been viewed by independent media sources like the Anneberg Foundation, who run Factcheck.org) is real, than if his personal merits, such as graduating with honors from Harvard (unlike our last president who graduated with C's from Yale), being a constitutional law professor, and being one of the youngest to serve in the U.S. Senate. These are signs of an OVERACHIEVER, not a deviant. Ofcourse, most of the people who sign on to this idiotic conspiracy stuff didn't make it far past the 3rd grade along with their dimwitted parents.

Have to agree with john.claunch here. And certainly a president has to be a "natural born citizen" according to the constitution. But the supreme court has never ruled on the definition of such, and the insistence of this weird movement that only they and their obviously incompetent lawyers have the right to determine that definition is ludicrous. Also, the movement does not have the right to interpret or force their rigid definitions down the throats of everyone. There is a "dual citizen" argument for instance. But when we consider other presidential candidates who were ruled eligible to run for president, we run smack up against George Romney (Mitt's dad) who was actually born in Mexico. Thus he automatically received dual citizenship at birth. There was not this total hysteria that's going on now. We also need to consider that the Supreme Court would take a look at all case law and even at US Code as it has been interpreted over the years. Certainly this movement is citing such case law right and left. But if you consider case law from USC title 8, section 1401, the entire case of this movement against Obama falls completely apart. This is why it is so important for them to force their definitions on the rest of us. See, if Obama was born in Hawaii, he qualifies as a "natural born" even if his father was foreign. As if he was born in Kenya, Nigeria, or on Krypton, that's all right, too, so long as one of his parents was an American citizen who had lived in this country for a period or period of five years, two of those years after the age of 14. So we really have to rule that out with our arguments, right? That's current as of January of 2008. Lots of retroactive arguments in there, too. So I would be cautious about making demands of anyone.

It seems it was alright for the democrats to question John McCain's eligibility when there was some doubt, and even had an investigation, a ruling, and an edict. But now, we are wingnuts since we ask for the same consideration regarding Obama's eligibility. If you would read the Complaint at this site http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/

you will see that the Congress and everybody else that failed to properly vet Obama are under fire as well as Obama. And..the Constitution requires that BOTH parents have to be U.S. Citizens, either born that way or naturalized. In Obama's case, his mother was too young to convey her citizenship to him, and his father was, at the time of his birth, a Brit, and later became a Kenyan citizen when Kenya broke from England. Also, there are records in Mombasa, Kenya of his mother giving birth to a son on Obama's birth date. His English/Kenyan citizenship would have expired automatically on his 21st birthday, but his Indonesian citizenship which he acquired when he was adopted by Soetoro and given the name Berry Soetoro would not have expired. It is quite possible that the POTUS is an illegal alien. Read the FACTS that are sworn to in this document. You will find why there are so many of us informed Patriots demanding that Obama unseal and release his records as others before him have. Others in Obama's position would just show the documents, and yet, he has spent nearly a million dollars to keep us from seeing his. Aren't you just a little bit curious as to why he would do this, or do you Obamanites just like throwing money away and living in the dark?

Obama's Administration is about as transparent as a BRICK WALL!!!!

The only thing transparent about them is their promises.

john.claunch needs to get his facts straight, if he continues to get them from factcheck.org he will continue to live in blissful ignorance, which I guess is OK if tha't your thing!

"Maybe the reason that the people who run this website keep removing posts doing with President Obama's birth certificate is because the purpose of this forum is to discuss actual ideas that will improve this country..."

Your statements shows your ignorance. I wholeheartedly believe with every rational fiber of my being that this country can be easily fixed if we actuall adhere to the U.S. Constitution. The purpose of which was to limit the Federal Governments power.

Now they own the propoganda machine and the sheeple go BAAAH and let them do as they please.

By the U.S. Constitution it is illegal for the federal Government to "own" businesses or corporations. This is a definite conflict of interest.

Some of you folks out there should read the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto, this country is already observing 8 of the 10 and now socialized medicine will be #9!

BTW the Gov having controlling interests in the business worls is also one of the Planks!

"lunatic fringe conspiracy theories."

Just because you disagree (albeit citing BS sources for your disagreements)does not give you the right to judge my intelligence.

Heck, I will accept any challenge to score higher than you on any formal aptitude or IQ exam. I 100% guarantee on any accepted exams of the past (SAT's ACT's etc, that you may have taken in the past) or future I will score higher than you!

"his personal merits, such as graduating with honors from Harvard"

I'd ask you to cite your sources! He was a medicore student at best, also I'd like to ask you since you seem to know it all via FactCheck, who paid for his schooling?? How did his piss poor record to date with other colleges he attended qualify him for Harvard? As to your Professor theory, I challenge you to show any records of him actually ever teaching a course at Harvard or any other school!

"this idiotic conspiracy stuff didn't make it far past the 3rd grade along with their dimwitted parents."

Since it's ok for you to name call, i'll leave you with this thought, "Dude you are a tard!"

Yeah, well I wouldn't count on CBS selling you any billboard space. And they are the largest company in the business! Amazing what one little phone call can do.

Actually, the Democrats didn't challenge McCain's eligibility. Alan Keyes did.

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Update on The biggest political cover up in American history

Worse than Watergate, Whitewatergate, or any of the other cover ups of previous administrations, is the question of whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States of America... OR, is he a FRAUD, a USURPER, a man with no legal authority to sit in the position that he now claims to hold?

Barack Obama could simply put the issue to rest RIGHT NOW by releasing his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE! But he WON'T! Instead, he has had teams of attorneys all over the country, fighting "tooth and nail" to thwart the efforts of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF), and our allies in a number of states, to compel him to produce an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and to prove that he is Constitutionally eligible to serve as President of these United States!

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Ohio, Mississippi, Hawaii, and California! These are the states where USJF has been involved in lawsuits seeking an answer to this critical constitutional question!

And now, in California, just like in every lawsuit filed over this issue, the Obama team of attorneys, working with liberal allies in the office of California Attorney General Jerry Brown, has convinced a Sacramento County Superior Court judge to dismiss USJF's suit to force the truth to come out about whether Barack Obama is a "natural born" citizen, and, therefore, eligible to serve as President of the United States.

BUT WE'RE NOT GIVING UP! Our clients in this case, including 2008 candidate for President of the United States, Alan Keyes, have given USJF the go ahead to file an appeal of this decision!

AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO -- BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP TO DO IT!

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A number of apologists for Barack Obama have gone to great lengths to belittle USJF and our allies in the fight to preserve our Constitution. However, the questions that they cannot answer are:

If Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to hide, WHY doesn't he just make his real birth certificate public? WHY has he spent a almost $900,000.00 in attorney fees, for, among other things, fighting USJF's efforts to obtain his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The more that he fights these efforts to see this document, the more that you have to wonder, WHY?

Obama supporters want everyone to believe that only "fringies," the people that they now call "birthers," in other words, only people that they claim are outside of the main stream of thinking, question whether Mr. Obama is truly eligible to serve as President of the United States of America. But the truth of the matter is that more and more people, including many federal, state, and local elected officials, AND many in the military, are questioning whether Barack Hussein Obama is, indeed, a "natural born citizen," a Constitutional requirement for him to serve as President of these United States.

The citizens of this country have the right to know if Barack Obama is, indeed, eligible to serve as President! And we here at the United States Justice Foundation are going to take our lawsuit all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary, to find out the answer to this critical question.

This fight to discover the truth will be neither easy nor inexpensive, but isn't protecting the Constitution worth it? And that is exactly what this legal battle is all about,

PROTECTING THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!

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Barack Obama wants you to ignore what he is doing, he wants you to ignore the U.S. Constitution, he wants you to think that the parts of the Constitution that he does not agree with (like the requirements to serve as President) are unimportant.

In effect, he wants to destroy the U. S. Constitution and reshape this country into his own image of what he wants it to be.

And Barack Obama's attorneys have now taken another big step to destroy the Constitution of the United States -- this time in a California State Court. Those attorneys, working with liberal California State Attorney General Jerry Brown, convinced the Judge in our case to rule that only Members of Congress can challenge the qualifications of Mr. Obama, or any candidate, to serve as President.

And, the Judge further ruled that such a challenge could only be made on the 6th day of January following the meeting of the Presidential electors, at the session of Congress where the vote of the Electoral College is counted and the results announced. To use the Judge's words, this is "the exclusive means for challenges to the qualifications of President..."

That means that no one, except a Member of Congress, and only on one certain day of the year following the Presidential election, can challenge the qualifications of a President-Elect! And then, the challenge can only be successful if a majority of the Members of Congress support the challenge! And that means that the politicians, not the people, are in control of who becomes President if there is an eligibility issue!

Is that what you want? Do you believe that the majority party in both Houses of Congress should be deciding who is eligible to serve as President? Do you want Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid deciding who is President?

That means that the requirements of the U. S. Constitution as to the eligibility of the man or woman who runs for President to serve as President are meaningless!

Do you believe that the Constitution is a meaningless document? Do you believe that a majority of the Members of Congress have the right to ignore it? To render it of no force and effect?

The Trial Court Judge in our case did! But we are not going to accept his decision. We are not going to accept the legal arguments made by Barack Hussein Obama's attorneys, and those by attorneys from liberal California Attorney General Jerry Brown. We are going to keep fighting this monumentally important legal battle all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary.

IT'S A BATTLE THAT WE MUST FIGHT!

IT'S A BATTLE THAT WE MUST WIN!

IT'S A BATTLE THAT WILL DECIDE WHETHER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL REMAIN A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, OR WHETHER WE WILL JOIN THE DUST HEAP OF HISTORY AS JUST ANOTHER FAILED EXPERIMENT!

USJF IS IN A BATTLE THAT COULD CHANGE THE HISTORY OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY! -- but we need YOUR help to WIN!

IT'S A BATTLE TO SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION!

IT'S A BATTLE TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY!

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We MUST learn the truth about whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen!

But to blunt our efforts to learn the truth, the Trial Court also blocked our subpoena for the college records of Mr. Obama! These vital records could have proven whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States, or whether he is a USURPER, a FRAUD, sitting in the oval office without any legal authority to do so!

What is in those records? We do not know. But the Obama legal team pulled out all of the stops to block the subpoena, so we believe that there is something in those college records that bears on the critical issue of whether Barack Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States.

JUST LIKE WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A REASON WHY THE OBAMA LEGAL TEAM, ACCORDING TO A PUBLISHED REPORT, HAS BEEN PAID OVER $800,000.00, and as much as almost $900,000.00, TO KEEP THE PUBLIC FROM SEEING HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE -- NOT THE PHONEY ONE THAT HE PUT UP ON HIS WEBSITE.

There is no doubt in my mind that this e-mail may be the one of the most important documents that you ever read!

What you do after reading this e-mail may well determine the fate of the United States of America!

Please know that we are not saying that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States of America. The problem is we just do not know!

We do know that Barack Obama's maternal step-grandmother has proclaimed that she was present at his birth in Mombasa, in what is now Kenya, in Africa!

We do know that a fake birth certificate was put up on Obama's website!

We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in every case filed over this issue; to make sure that no one has access to his birth certificate.

We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in our California case; to make sure that no one has access to his college records.

DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!

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The voters of the United States of America have the right to know whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen," as REQUIRED by the U. S. Constitution!

It's a question that MUST be answered!

Why? Because, if an unqualified person was elected to the Office of President of the United States, our entire form of government could be compromised!

Why?

Because, if Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States, each and every act that he takes as President will be null and void! That's right, each bill that he signs into law, every Executive Order that he issues, and each and every one of his nominations to his Cabinet and to the federal courts will have no legal effect!

I don't make that statement lightly. It's not an exaggeration.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution provides, in pertinent part, as follows: "No Person except a natural born Citizen... shall be eligible to the Office of President..."

That means that neither Osama Bin Laden, nor California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, nor Obama billionaire money man George Soros can serve as President of the United States. That also means that if Barack Obama was born outside of the United States, he is not eligible to serve as President of our great country!

So where was Mr. Obama born?

He claims to have a copy of his birth certificate. That means that either he knows where he was born, or he's lying about having that document.

And only Barack Hussein Obama's ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE can answer that question of where he was born. But he has teams of attorneys, all across the country, spending, and doing, whatever it takes to make sure that no one, and I mean NO ONE, will be allowed to see the one document that can clear up this controversy

Mr. Obama has claimed that his Presidential administration will be the most transparent in history. Yet, he will not make public the one document that could end all of the questions about the legitimacy of his election as President.

And you have to ask yourself, WHY?

Is it because this is some unimportant "technicality"? No, a requirement of the U. S. Constitution is not a mere "technicality"!

Is it because "President" Obama (if he is the President of the United States) has more important issues to deal with, and can't spare the time to deal with such a trivial issue? No, what is more important than the integrity of the Office of the President?

Or, is there something more involved?

Another question that the Obamaphiles don't want to answer is why, in 2005, was a law firm with ties to Mr. Obama researching the question as to how to evade the requirements of Article II of the United States Constitution, regarding the requirements to serve as President. 2005? Three years before the Presidential campaign?

If that doesn't raise questions in your mind, then nothing will!

And then there's the statements made by representatives of the State of Hawaii!

According to Dr. Chiyome Fukino, of the State of Hawaii's Department of Health,

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Exactly what does that mean? If she can access it, why can't we? It is that very record that USJF financed lawsuits in Mississippi and in Hawaii were seeking to force into the public arena! But Obama's attorneys, and his allies in state government, stopped those efforts cold!

So, the time of decision is now!

Do we give up?

Do we just ignore this threat to our Constitution? To our very form of government?

We here at USJF say NO!

Now is not the time to give up this fight!

Now is not the time to walk away from the most important Constitutional battle in our lifetime!

Now is the time to redouble our efforts to find out the truth!

Now is the time to tell Barack Hussein Obama that the United States Constitution is far more important than his political ambition!

But we can only do this with your help! With your financial support, and with the financial support of everyone that you know!

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Will you stand with us?

Sincerely,

Gary Kreep, Executive Director

United States Justice Foundation

P.S. This is the biggest political cover-up in American history! It would be so simple to release the documents to PROVE Obama is a natural-born citizen... IF THEY HAD THE DOCUMENTS!

Barack Hussein Obama thinks he can get away with DUPING the American people and DESTROYING the U.S. Constitution. DON'T LET HIM DO IT!

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They disappeared because they're spam.

And you are a bunch of freeloaders who plainly aren't gainfully employed. Who IS paying you to spend all your time spamming this site? Scaife? Farah? We taxpayers? I expect no truth from you, the truth is not in you. You are abusing the purpose of this site, and your aim is to render it unusable for the purpose for which it was intended. The "birth certificate" thing is a non-starter to begin with, but like any other idea it deserved ONE entry. But you cheaters instead spam, spam, spam all day long every day. You pathetic losers.

Where's the harm in enforcing the law?