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Obama hasn't had to spend much money to defend himself. The courts are doing that for him. They dismiss all the silly suits brought against him. All he has to pay for is some lawyer to write up and file a motion for dismissal.

The rumor that Obama has spent millions to defend himself against these birfer lawsuits is untrue. He probably hasn't spent more than $20K.

Actually I know a law firm outside DC that works for him. He is hiding the birth certificate thing and has spent over a million dollars doing it. The liberal judges throw the cases out ion hopes of getting a Supreme Court Justice job.

Obama has spent over 1 million on 10 lawyers to not have to show his Birth certificate!

Yes it is leagal for him to use campaign donations. I can't imagine why...

"Actually I know a law firm outside DC that works for him. He is hiding the birth certificate thing and has spent over a million dollars doing it. The liberal judges throw the cases out ion hopes of getting a Supreme Court Justice job. "

Yeh, well, that's a common birfer rumor. There are others.

Not much of a rumor. I was at their offices two weeks ago so a friend could give a deposition.

I forgot to say that Obama got the Supreme Court to postpone the ruling by them so he would have time to have the new Bill he is pushing forward that makes it ok for him NOT to prove he's an American. He's a shady person with terrorists as friends and the Corrupt Chicago politicians are his Whitehouse....

Why haven't his contributions been checked either? Millions came in, mostly from Muslim countries, thru gift card laundering. If he is EVER found out it would be unreal all the deception surrounding him.

If the document on the web is proof, why hasn't the prez or his spokesmonkey claimed it is?

Surely tou would not believe it belongs to the prez without him saying so, would you?

The birfers are the ones who think that 0bama put his birth certificate on the web even though 0bama never once said it was his or came from him or is an accurate depiction of the events surrounding his birth.

If the birth document is accurate, 0bama has never made that claim.

The mere fact he has continued this hide and seek game makes him look like a fraud.

So, to all of you who think the document on the web belongs to the prez, prove it with a quote from him.

"Not much of a rumor. I was at their offices two weeks ago so a friend could give a deposition. "

You were at their offices and they showed you the invoices where Obama paid them a million dollars to file dismissals.

O-KAYYYYYYYYYY.

Do they charge a million dollars an hour for their services?

No, I happen to be able to LISTEN when people talk. The lawyers talk about work they do for Obama all the time. Like Obama, they are arrogant people that are pleased with what they are doing.

They have been doing work for Obama since before the elections so no, they do not charge a million dollars an hour.

Next rude statement?

"Next rude statement? "

You're actually ASKING to be ridiculed??? Ok.

Nyuck! Nyuck! Nyuck!!

You overheard some lawyers talking about how much they charge the president of the United States for services.

O-KAYYYYYYYYYY.

And it came out to millions!!!

O-KAYYYYYYYYYY.

And you assume that they must be doing some other work than filing mundane dismissals, which we all can see in PACER. Are these, like, under cover lawyers that get paid for doing something other than law? Because, by my count, his lawyers have spend about 15 man hours responding to these birfer lawsuits. That's if one assumes they used standard "we request dismissal based on plaintiff's lunacy" language and just changed the names and dates.

Seriously, though.

Obama's lawyers haven't argued case one. Not once have these lawsuits gotten past a judge who is acquainted with U.S. law. All Obama's lawyers do is request (and receive) dismissals. A dismissal request takes about a half and hour to write and file. Obama has received about 10-15 dismissals to date, and several judges have called the lawsuits against him "frivolous".

Do you HONESTLY believe he has paid a million bucks for this? I doubt if he has paid 30K.

The bottom line is it would take $25 TOPS to provide a birth certificate. Getting a lawyer to block having to produce it (as REQUIRED BY LAW) means he is hiding something.

"The bottom line is it would take $25 TOPS to provide a birth certificate. Getting a lawyer to block having to produce it (as REQUIRED BY LAW) means he is hiding something. "

It could mean that. It could also mean "My BC is none of your damn business."

Both ideas are equally valid.

It could mean that. It could also mean "My BC is none of your damn business."

So, you actually DIDN'T know that is it a REQUIREMENT by the Constitution and election laws. So it isn't HIS choice of whether or not to produce one, it is a law.

Now that you know the truth, it will set you free.

"So it isn't HIS choice of whether or not to produce one, it is a law."

No. The TRUTH is that he has shown his valid BC and the birfers have rejected its authenticity. But your rejection really doesn't matter. The same government that issued his COLB is the one who decides its authenticity, not you birfers.

That's one of the many reasons why you continue to get ignored. What's at issue here is why you can't UNDERSTAND why you get ignored, not Obama's BC.

blackmonrikker You obviously have no idea how the law and the constitution work. I suggest you start here:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

The issue of Barry Soetoro's birth certificate will not go away. He has failed to produce one and the Record of Live Birth he posted online is a proven fraud. If none of these things register in your brain as suspicious then keep drinking kool aid and keep your head in the sand. We Americans will still fight for your freedoms.

"You obviously have no idea how the law and the constitution work."

I understand this much: The birfers are getting their keisters handed to them on every level. I understand your .000 batting average in the courts. I know lies when I hear them.

And I understand your fear.

You guys are losing this battle on every front. And when he's re-elected, several of you will commit suicide.

"You guys are losing this battle on every front. And when he's re-elected, several of you will commit suicide. "

Actually we are winning every time someone like you comes along and tries out the standard list of excuses why we should not know something we already know about 43 presidents.

Every one of your excuses are lame, each and every one of them.

You trot out "he posted it on the net" until it is shown that the document posted on the web has never been claimed by 0bama.

You try to make it out as if the people seeking the truth are crazy but since there are more people seeking the truth every day you look silly with that one.

Now it is suicide which I don't think is anything to joke about.

Your posts should be taken down and your hate repudiated.

The fact is there has never been a time when 0bama said the thing posted on the web was his birth certificate. The birth certificate he acknowledges is old and wrinkled.

Anyone who believes the document posted on the web belongs to 0bama is the most gullible person in the world.

I am more than willing to have an adult, intelligent conversation. You are here to get a rise out of someone. I have no time for those who don't want to know the truth.

"Actually we are winning every time someone like you comes along ..."

No. You're not. You're not winning. You're WHINING.

When any single court agrees to hear one of these complaints, then you'll have a seat at the table. Until then, whine on. No one, other than those of us who find amusement in mocking you, gives a damn.

We are winning and the people backing the guy in the Oval Office are steppin and fetchin like their heads on fire and ass is catchin' and all because you can't find one single time that 0bama said the document on the web was his, or came from him, or is accurate.

If you think that happened then you are the one with a problem.

My life isn't going to change no matter who the president is.

When you are trying to keep a roof over your head and the lights turned on because of inflation and taxation, I will be soaking up my off-grid electricity and still posting "I told you so" to people like you.

Not only are you delusional enough to think he vouched for that thing on the internet you were gullible enough to vote for him too.

This issue isn't going away.

Already half a million of us are not backing down and as each day passes someone else learns that 0bama never claimed the certificate on the 'net.

just like you did today.

now, wouldn't it be nice if he just produced the one written about in his book?

Oh wait, the dog ate it in the map room of the White House.

Right?

Yawnnnnnnnnn. Did you fart again, Cashman?

"He probably hasn't spent more than $20K."

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President Obama may be using campaign funds to stomp out eligibility lawsuits brought by Americans, as his campaign has paid more than $1 million to his top lawyer since the election.

According to Federal Election Commission records, Obama For America paid $688,316.42 to international law firm Perkins Coie between January and March 2009.

The campaign also compensated Perkins Coie for legal services between Oct. 16, 2008 and Dec. 31, 2008 – to the tune of $378,375.52.

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Letter showing Perkins Coie has been involved in the lawsuits can be seen here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/misc/hemenwaytwo.jpg

You can see that Robert Bauer who signed the letter has been involved in the case noted in the letter here: http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/hollister-v-soetoro-dismissed-3-5/

Robert Bauer of Perkins-Coie was involved in previous case: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/philip-j-berg-lawsuit-obama-files-motion-to-dismiss-dnc-motion-to-dismiss-september-24-2008/

"It could also mean 'My BC is none of your damn business.'"

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It could also mean Mr. Obama does not have a CoLB to show. :o

BTW: What is actually in Mr. Obama's BC may not be our business - as you claim; but whether Mr. Obama meets the eligibility requirements set forth in the Constitution to be POTUS is our business.

Mr. Obama himself created the pickle he is now in. If Mr. Obama had not been deceptive in the past, he might have gotten away with the normal "benefit of the doubt" afford people.

But his past Clintonesque speak has made people realize he can not be trusted at his word. Which makes him a dangerously liability for this country -- in that no foreign leader will trust him at his word in a crisis.

blackmonrikker- your post is significant.

You could not find any time that your hero actually claimed the document on the web.

If you could have, you would have posted it.You have been played for a fool.

'nuff said

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Dear Friend of the Constitution,

Update on The biggest political cover up in American history

Worse than Watergate, Whitewatergate, or any of the other cover ups of previous administrations, is the question of whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States of America... OR, is he a FRAUD, a USURPER, a man with no legal authority to sit in the position that he now claims to hold?

Barack Obama could simply put the issue to rest RIGHT NOW by releasing his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE! But he WON'T! Instead, he has had teams of attorneys all over the country, fighting "tooth and nail" to thwart the efforts of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF), and our allies in a number of states, to compel him to produce an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and to prove that he is Constitutionally eligible to serve as President of these United States!

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Ohio, Mississippi, Hawaii, and California! These are the states where USJF has been involved in lawsuits seeking an answer to this critical constitutional question!

And now, in California, just like in every lawsuit filed over this issue, the Obama team of attorneys, working with liberal allies in the office of California Attorney General Jerry Brown, has convinced a Sacramento County Superior Court judge to dismiss USJF's suit to force the truth to come out about whether Barack Obama is a "natural born" citizen, and, therefore, eligible to serve as President of the United States.

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A number of apologists for Barack Obama have gone to great lengths to belittle USJF and our allies in the fight to preserve our Constitution. However, the questions that they cannot answer are:

If Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to hide, WHY doesn't he just make his real birth certificate public? WHY has he spent a almost $900,000.00 in attorney fees, for, among other things, fighting USJF's efforts to obtain his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The more that he fights these efforts to see this document, the more that you have to wonder, WHY?

Obama supporters want everyone to believe that only "fringies," the people that they now call "birthers," in other words, only people that they claim are outside of the main stream of thinking, question whether Mr. Obama is truly eligible to serve as President of the United States of America. But the truth of the matter is that more and more people, including many federal, state, and local elected officials, AND many in the military, are questioning whether Barack Hussein Obama is, indeed, a "natural born citizen," a Constitutional requirement for him to serve as President of these United States.

The citizens of this country have the right to know if Barack Obama is, indeed, eligible to serve as President! And we here at the United States Justice Foundation are going to take our lawsuit all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary, to find out the answer to this critical question.

This fight to discover the truth will be neither easy nor inexpensive, but isn't protecting the Constitution worth it? And that is exactly what this legal battle is all about,

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Barack Obama wants you to ignore what he is doing, he wants you to ignore the U.S. Constitution, he wants you to think that the parts of the Constitution that he does not agree with (like the requirements to serve as President) are unimportant.

In effect, he wants to destroy the U. S. Constitution and reshape this country into his own image of what he wants it to be.

And Barack Obama's attorneys have now taken another big step to destroy the Constitution of the United States -- this time in a California State Court. Those attorneys, working with liberal California State Attorney General Jerry Brown, convinced the Judge in our case to rule that only Members of Congress can challenge the qualifications of Mr. Obama, or any candidate, to serve as President.

And, the Judge further ruled that such a challenge could only be made on the 6th day of January following the meeting of the Presidential electors, at the session of Congress where the vote of the Electoral College is counted and the results announced. To use the Judge's words, this is "the exclusive means for challenges to the qualifications of President..."

That means that no one, except a Member of Congress, and only on one certain day of the year following the Presidential election, can challenge the qualifications of a President-Elect! And then, the challenge can only be successful if a majority of the Members of Congress support the challenge! And that means that the politicians, not the people, are in control of who becomes President if there is an eligibility issue!

Is that what you want? Do you believe that the majority party in both Houses of Congress should be deciding who is eligible to serve as President? Do you want Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid deciding who is President?

That means that the requirements of the U. S. Constitution as to the eligibility of the man or woman who runs for President to serve as President are meaningless!

Do you believe that the Constitution is a meaningless document? Do you believe that a majority of the Members of Congress have the right to ignore it? To render it of no force and effect?

The Trial Court Judge in our case did! But we are not going to accept his decision. We are not going to accept the legal arguments made by Barack Hussein Obama's attorneys, and those by attorneys from liberal California Attorney General Jerry Brown. We are going to keep fighting this monumentally important legal battle all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary.

IT'S A BATTLE THAT WE MUST FIGHT!

IT'S A BATTLE THAT WE MUST WIN!

IT'S A BATTLE THAT WILL DECIDE WHETHER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL REMAIN A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, OR WHETHER WE WILL JOIN THE DUST HEAP OF HISTORY AS JUST ANOTHER FAILED EXPERIMENT!

USJF IS IN A BATTLE THAT COULD CHANGE THE HISTORY OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY! -- but we need YOUR help to WIN!

IT'S A BATTLE TO SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION!

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We MUST learn the truth about whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen!

But to blunt our efforts to learn the truth, the Trial Court also blocked our subpoena for the college records of Mr. Obama! These vital records could have proven whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States, or whether he is a USURPER, a FRAUD, sitting in the oval office without any legal authority to do so!

What is in those records? We do not know. But the Obama legal team pulled out all of the stops to block the subpoena, so we believe that there is something in those college records that bears on the critical issue of whether Barack Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States.

JUST LIKE WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A REASON WHY THE OBAMA LEGAL TEAM, ACCORDING TO A PUBLISHED REPORT, HAS BEEN PAID OVER $800,000.00, and as much as almost $900,000.00, TO KEEP THE PUBLIC FROM SEEING HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE -- NOT THE PHONEY ONE THAT HE PUT UP ON HIS WEBSITE.

There is no doubt in my mind that this e-mail may be the one of the most important documents that you ever read!

What you do after reading this e-mail may well determine the fate of the United States of America!

Please know that we are not saying that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States of America. The problem is we just do not know!

We do know that Barack Obama's maternal step-grandmother has proclaimed that she was present at his birth in Mombasa, in what is now Kenya, in Africa!

We do know that a fake birth certificate was put up on Obama's website!

We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in every case filed over this issue; to make sure that no one has access to his birth certificate.

We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in our California case; to make sure that no one has access to his college records.

DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!

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The voters of the United States of America have the right to know whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen," as REQUIRED by the U. S. Constitution!

It's a question that MUST be answered!

Why? Because, if an unqualified person was elected to the Office of President of the United States, our entire form of government could be compromised!

Why?

Because, if Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States, each and every act that he takes as President will be null and void! That's right, each bill that he signs into law, every Executive Order that he issues, and each and every one of his nominations to his Cabinet and to the federal courts will have no legal effect!

I don't make that statement lightly. It's not an exaggeration.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution provides, in pertinent part, as follows: "No Person except a natural born Citizen... shall be eligible to the Office of President..."

That means that neither Osama Bin Laden, nor California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, nor Obama billionaire money man George Soros can serve as President of the United States. That also means that if Barack Obama was born outside of the United States, he is not eligible to serve as President of our great country!

So where was Mr. Obama born?

He claims to have a copy of his birth certificate. That means that either he knows where he was born, or he's lying about having that document.

And only Barack Hussein Obama's ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE can answer that question of where he was born. But he has teams of attorneys, all across the country, spending, and doing, whatever it takes to make sure that no one, and I mean NO ONE, will be allowed to see the one document that can clear up this controversy

Mr. Obama has claimed that his Presidential administration will be the most transparent in history. Yet, he will not make public the one document that could end all of the questions about the legitimacy of his election as President.

And you have to ask yourself, WHY?

Is it because this is some unimportant "technicality"? No, a requirement of the U. S. Constitution is not a mere "technicality"!

Is it because "President" Obama (if he is the President of the United States) has more important issues to deal with, and can't spare the time to deal with such a trivial issue? No, what is more important than the integrity of the Office of the President?

Or, is there something more involved?

Another question that the Obamaphiles don't want to answer is why, in 2005, was a law firm with ties to Mr. Obama researching the question as to how to evade the requirements of Article II of the United States Constitution, regarding the requirements to serve as President. 2005? Three years before the Presidential campaign?

If that doesn't raise questions in your mind, then nothing will!

And then there's the statements made by representatives of the State of Hawaii!

According to Dr. Chiyome Fukino, of the State of Hawaii's Department of Health,

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Exactly what does that mean? If she can access it, why can't we? It is that very record that USJF financed lawsuits in Mississippi and in Hawaii were seeking to force into the public arena! But Obama's attorneys, and his allies in state government, stopped those efforts cold!

So, the time of decision is now!

Do we give up?

Do we just ignore this threat to our Constitution? To our very form of government?

We here at USJF say NO!

Now is not the time to give up this fight!

Now is not the time to walk away from the most important Constitutional battle in our lifetime!

Now is the time to redouble our efforts to find out the truth!

Now is the time to tell Barack Hussein Obama that the United States Constitution is far more important than his political ambition!

But we can only do this with your help! With your financial support, and with the financial support of everyone that you know!

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Will you stand with us?

Sincerely,

Gary Kreep, Executive Director

United States Justice Foundation

P.S. This is the biggest political cover-up in American history! It would be so simple to release the documents to PROVE Obama is a natural-born citizen... IF THEY HAD THE DOCUMENTS!

Barack Hussein Obama thinks he can get away with DUPING the American people and DESTROYING the U.S. Constitution. DON'T LET HIM DO IT!

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