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Failure to resolve this question detracts from the support of Pres. Obama

Besides his Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't he also come out and say that he backs SOCIALISM, is a covert Muslim, runs an intransparent government, spends money like a drunken sailor...

Because you have no patience and can't control yourself.

If I were him, I'd make you sweat this a little longer, at least till I was back in front of my desk.

He's a busy guy and has more important things to do than to cater to your every whim. Remember he works for ALL of us, not for each of us.

zauberer, that's a very silly response. If Mr. Obama had such a birth certificate, the amount of embarrassment he could cause the right wing would be enormous. We'd likely never recover.

Unless...?

CBS is bothered by the question:

"CBS Outdoor, a division of CBS Corp. that sells more outdoor advertising than any other billboard company in North America, refuses to accept purchases of space on any of its 550,000 displays nationwide, media buyers for WND report."

It took me approximately 30 seconds to Google this rumor and find a site that thoroughly busts it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg (photo of birth certificate)

I'm going to assume that the right "wing-nuts" will simply claim that this site is a lefty, uncredible source. For the rest of us (intelligent and in the majority), it's just another example of how lazy, uneducated and blindly herded the typical Rush-publican is.

Brian - that's not a Birth Certificate. Do I really have to go through the trouble of educating you? Or do you know, and you're lying?

ZAU.... Mr. Obama has plenty of time to cater to whims of the Muslims that hate us I would think that he find some small period of time in his busy schedule of Bashing the United States of America to put this contraversy to rest... Don't you?

http://www.politjab.com

Brian,

I agree with you, People need to remove the blinders and get a clue!!!

Of course, Jimmy Z. I'm lying (I write that with the utmost sarcasm) I challenge you to actually do some credible research on the ridiculous rumor and then return to retract your misinformation.

I actually feel that my IQ dropped a few points simply by reading this nonsense. Thanks for the offer of furthering my education, but I'll rest confidentally on my Political Science Bachelors degree from the University of Michigan.

Ah, indoctrinated are you?

Again: Since you do not know what a genuine birth certificate is, you should remove yourself from this dialog.

Jimmy Z -

I'd have to argue that the document "Certification of Live Birth" is a birth certificate.

For any readers capable of critical thinking, here are a few more sites that dispel this nonsense.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Barack-Obama--The-Birth-Certificate-Controversy

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

and a link to photos of many Hawaii birth certificates:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=hawaii%20birth%20certificate&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

I now understand, Jimmy Z, your purpose in posting on these forums. It's to drive people to your website. You did succeed in getting one pageview from me.

After viewing your site, I am absolutely going to remove myself from this "discussion". The mullet speaks volumes. A Dieu!

brian, I would run away too if I were you. The information on the COLB is not anywhere near the information on a BC. Your links do nothing, add nothing, illustrate nothing.

What ARE you afraid of?

Brian, I am happy if anyone comes to my site, but I haven't posted the link and I do not advertise here. What you did is refuse to rebut anything I have said.

Thanks for playing.

Brian, since you seem to be so web aware could you find the time that 0bama said the document on the web is his or came from his files, or is accurate?

Thank you.

Brian, in fact, what I did do is advertise THIS site on MY show, and asked nothing in return. That's how generous we conservatives are.

Because the State of Hawaii already certified his eligibility, that's why. It's a non-issue. You don't pander to crackpots, doing so would only encourage them, and then they'd just find something else to pester him about. So I say, let them pester whoever it is that has to deal with that garbage with this birth certificate non-issue, it just exposes these crackpots for the xenophobic basement dwllers they are.

No, the State of Hawaii did no such thing.

The State of Hawaii has never verified that he was born in Hawaii. They indicated a certificate exists and they inferred that there was information contained on it.

Add to that the fact he wrote about his birth certificate in the book "Dreams.." and one should conclude that as of this date the certificate on file in Hawaii is no longer a secret document.

Unless and until you can find an admission from 0bama that the birth document on the web belongs to him you are living in la-la land.

"Failure to resolve this question detracts from the support of Pres. Obama"

No, actually it does not. There is almost a 100% correlation between the far right and "birthers," and those who aren't far right are nuts in some other way. Obama voters are, for the most part, puzzled by the attention this non-issue has received. Those of us who know about WND aren't surprised though. WND may have some half-way good contributors, but most of them are far right extremists, and Farah has shown himself to be just as much a crackpot as many of his readers. Or else he figures this will bring in the contributions. Crackpots don't have much money, but darker forces that seek to manipulate crackpots do.

VD - this recent post of yours does not address the birth certificate at all. Seeking to denigrate the people who are demanding an answer is a tired, typical tactic of the left.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Of course no amount of evidence will convince those who've fallen down the rabbit hole. Not even the fact that there's absolutely no legal standing to any of the rumors. And on these rumors entire fantastic castles are constructed, all in the heads of folks with entirely too much time to waste. Clearly, this brand of wingnuttery really is a mental disease.

"the amount of embarrassment he could cause the right wing would be enormous. We'd likely never recover."

True, if you objective is to divide the country. However, if you want to unite both and all parties through some common ground and constructive disagreement, then such action would be detrimental to your cause.

"Mr. Obama has plenty of time to cater to whims of the Muslims that hate us"

I don't consider initiating discussion and projecting honorable civility after a decade of ignoring them to be catering to every whim, but that's just my opinion.

"...busy schedule of Bashing the United States of America to put this controversy [sic.] to rest..." I'm not sure I follow. If you are referring to ipods or bowing or the like, I'd have to ask for some real evidence of this accusation or at least an objective, if anecdotal, reference.

Let me just say I don't like being put into this position of personally defending our president because I don't necessarily agree with him, his actions, or his policies. I, however, do believe he has the right to make the vested decisions which are afforded to him both as an individual, and by the support granted to him on all of our behalf.

wheter these accusations are true or not, we must hold true to our democratic foundations and pursue due process.

Our objective is to protect the Constitution, nothing more, nothing less.

VD, neither link produces a Birth Certificate. Thank you for playing.

You're not entitled to your own private viewing of it, JZS

VD, amazing how, one way or another, eventually, you all get around to saying we don't have the right to know that Obama was or was not born in America.

It's in the Constitution.

We have the right to know.

This is not some third world dictatorship. This is America. We have the right to know for certain that our leaders are eligible.

"Our objective is to protect the Constitution, nothing more, nothing less."

As already stated, President Obama is the duly elected president, and not one of the legal challenges to his eligibility ever went anywhere. That issue is determined within the bounds of the judicial system, where the rule of law prevails, not the court of public opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion, but in this particular case it has no legal standing, constitutional or otherwise.

Still, VD, you refuse to answer the question. The issue has never been answered.

I am glad to atleast hear that the Democrats recognize that we in fact do have a Constitution... Amazing!!!! See how holes this administration will put in it.

"we don't have the right to know that Obama was or was not born in America."

You do know that, you just pretend not to. The last thing President Obama should do is submit to the whims of every right wing crackpot with a conspiracy theory. So while you and others insist you're not satisfied, you can't come up with a single specific legal claim, other than those of your own construction. As I've already noted, none of the legal challenges went anywhere, and there are darned good reasons for that.

However, you do have a recourse. Since you don't have a legal leg to stand on, you can continue to make hay with this non-issue in the court of public opinion, see if you can recruit some more crackpots to your side. I doubt there are that many more crackpots out there, though, who don't already believe your nonsense. So "good luck" with that. ;)

... until 2012 ...

VD stoops to calling those who seek to verify the constitutionality of the President, verify his elibibility, as "right wing crackpots with a conspiracy theory."

This is the extreme that the left must stoop to in order to silence those who are simply asking to verify the birth place of the President.

Predictable.

"It's in the Constitution.

We have the right to know."

You have a right to know, just as he has a right to refuse to release personal and private documents for public scrutiny.

This is my last post repeating myself.

He has the right to refuse to prove that he's eligible?

Indeed, please do stop repeating such nonsense.

Your logic is truly dizzying.

HE. HAS. THE. RIGHT. TO. REFUSE. PUBLIC. DISCLOSURE.

YOU. HAVE. THE. RIGHT. TO. ACTION. THROUGH. LITIGATION.

In either instance, the documents will be reviewed behind closed doors, since this is also an issue of personal privacy as well as legitimacy. You have no rightful claim to personally examine these documents, unless you are a court justice.

If that didn't get through, nothing will; and your opinion becomes further irrelevant.

Cool. Liberals like zauberer argue against public disclosure... and this being the president of transparency even!

This is where liberalism has gone in this country... into the terlit.

JZS, you are mistaking transparency for willingness to submit to harassment. That is my serious assessment of the situation. If Obama did exactly what you ask, you would only move the goalpost. I know it, and you know it.

VD, no, you're wrong. I am standing up for transparency. You are characterizing the defense of our constitution as 'harassment.' Look how far you must go to denigrate the desire of many Americans to SIMPLY KNOW WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN!

If he could shut us down with a simple document, he would.

He can't so he doesn't.

He wrote about the birth certificate in his book and did not complain when the state of Hawaii revealed information.

He has no expectation of privacy.

The document posted on the web is not 0bama's, was not from his files, and is not accurate. 0bama has never said otherwise.

"If he could shut us down with a simple document, he would."

You keep harping about transparency (your own twisted version of it, that is), yet you persist in failing to once address the fact that none of the lawsuits about this - and there have been many now - have gone anywhere. These have been filed in numerous jurisdictions. How do you explain that?

Of course I do. Obama promised the most transparent administration in history. The lawsuits are still in process. How do you know what the outcome will be?

"If Mr. Obama had such a birth certificate, the amount of embarrassment he could cause the right wing would be enormous. We'd likely never recover."

The looney right has already proven that, when it comes to their base, they're immune to embarrassment. If they weren't, Limbaugh, Hannity, Weiner, Gingrich, et al would all just be distant bad memories.

More insults. That's no argument. See, you can't argue what I said.

"The lawsuits are still in process. How do you know what the outcome will be?"

Has it occurred to you to let the legal system do their work, then? No, I know it has not. You know they're not going anywhere, so you've resorted to the mob.

I don't know how many ordinary Americans have figured out yet that the far right in this country is nothing but a gang of thugs that must be treated as such. The future of our constitutional republic may depend on how quickly more people recognize the brownshirts in our midst.

All of your histrionics do not answer the simple question... Where is his birth certificate, and why are you so afraid of it?

its not only whether or not he was born in the US, it is whether he qualifies as a "natural born citizen", which means both of his parents must be US citizens.

Wait, wait, wait... the brown shirts? You're talking about Obama you know - right?

"Liberals like zauberer argue against public disclosure"

Obviously you are not above insults. What makes you think I'm a liberal?

"If he could shut us down with a simple document, he would." Is a true testament to your character. Is your opinion here based on what you would do in this situation?

If my goal is to truly work together with you through mutual respect and constructive disagreement, how would putting you down help achieve my goal?

Only through cooperation can we ever hope to achieve anything.

Cooperation would be: Obama cooperates and shows us where he was born.

"Where is his birth certificate, and why are you so afraid of it? "

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Why are YOU so afraid of just letting the legal system do its work?

You know, don't you, that the rest of the junk lawsuits aren't going to fare any better than the first junk lawsuits. That's because there's no there there.

That's why the wingnuts have resorted to the mob.

49,462nd time: That is not a birth certificate.

He owes you nothing, yet gives you everything.

Before you accuse me of heralding a messiah or some other misconstrued xenophobic argument, consider, you can't even muster the patriotism necessary to even feign a most basic support for the man your kinsman elected, in good faith.

Your definition of cooperation sounds alot to me like holding someone for ransom.

If he gives into this unsubstantiated harassment and terrorism, what does that teach our collective enemies?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c7c_1235592719

Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or, wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. ...

You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother, Ann, or after Hawaii state officials confirmed in October that he was born there.

...

The right-wing Web site WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the issue almost nonstop. Numerous plaintiffs have filed lawsuits in various states. And Friday, the Supreme Court's nine justices will decide whether they want to hear one of those suits

...

The people hoping this is a sign the court will agree with them and stop Obama from becoming president are almost certain to be let down. The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn't mean anything about its merits --

...

But that doesn't matter. The faux controversy isn't going to go away soon. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii, and yes, he is eligible to be president. But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the narrative; every new disclosure of something that should, by rights, end the controversy only opens up new questions, identifies new plotters. Perhaps the most common argument of those questioning Obama's eligibility is that he should just release his full, original birth certificate, rather than the shorter certification, which is a copy. His failure to do so only proves there is reason to be suspicious, they say, and if the document was released, the issue would go away. But that's unlikely. It was, after all, the Obama campaign's release of the certification this summer that stoked the fever of conspiracy mongers.

Zauberer44 and Vote Democratic,

You both make perfectly logical points. However, right wing-nuts simply don't speak the languague of logic. They only speak simply.

Logic, facts, and reality have no bearing on their arguments or evidence of proof. They will continue to use catch phrases like "Protecting the Constitution" (although they will fail to pay proper respect by capitalizing the word.), Socialism - while accepting Social Security, police protection, firefighting protection, public schools, unemployment, food stamps, welfare, public website forums (such as this), and many other socialist programs. They will wield the words libery, freedom, and America like a bloody sword - while exerting every effort to destroy all three.

Let's see the response that follows. It will be accusatory and will generalize and completely misrepresent what I wrote. I expect some inaccurate paraphrasing and some infantile repetition.

There is no doubt that the subject of this post has been debunked. Have a great day JZ.

Thanks for playing!

One has to wonder

Brian, Zau and VD all argue against exhibiting the full truth.

These are liberals.

Any questions?

Once again, for the 46,365th time, no birth certificate or proof of citizenship has been produced.

And thanks for copying my line. Liberals always do that. :)

So anyone who disagrees with your opinion of "full truth" is a "liberal"?

That's not a very conservative sentiment.

for the record, I argue against allowing individuals like you to circumvent the constitutional right to due process.

46,365 - 49,462 = Someone so busy, he's moving backwards.

Getting the last word, which you appear to have the time on your hands to ensure, can never make your case. You and the rest don't have a case, it really is just that simple.

No, anyone who says that there is no reason to for Obama to reveal his place of birth is against exhibiting the full truth. There are no different definitions of truth, my liberal friend.

There is no reason for any 'due process' here if Mr. Obama were to keep to his PLEDGE and keep to his EXECUTIVE ORDER and simply be... transparent.

VD, seems you are more interested in 'the last word' because to be honest, it never entered my mind. I do enjoy these threads where liberals struggle and strain themselves into a mental hernia, striving to avoid having Mr. Obama produce his place of birth.

Why struggle so? *L* I mean, for goodness' sake!

Wow, this has been getting old for sometime now. You are not accomplishing anything here that has not already been said by both parties. Please seek another venue. Agree to disagree this point is mute between you.

Not meant to offend, Just saying thats all.

Obama did already, last June. And not one judge or jury has seen fit to doubt it. Just a bunch of crackpots with nothing better to do than swarm web sites. That's what they do because they do not have a real case. As has already been explained to you ad infinitum, Obama is under no obligation to cater to your interpretation of how his constitutional requirement be fulfilled. He has met the real one, the one that counts. And nothing in all the verbiage in all these threads has explained why he should do anything to accommodate the whims of conspiracy theorist crackpots.

(ceadog1985 makes a great point)

Neither conservatives, nor liberals doubt President Obama's birth records.

This is an extremist delusion. Delusions should be treated with prescription drugs. I am not an M.D.

On that note. Have a great day and a wonderful upcoming weekend everyone. It was fun playing.

So far not one person has been able to find a quote from 0bama that the certificate on the web is his or is accurate.

They can call names. They can invent new things to call people but what they can't do is find support for their position from 0bama himself.

So, with each post where they avoid this fact I laugh because I know it must gnaw at them that he doesn't back their assertion at all ever.

"So far not one person has been able to find a quote from 0bama that the certificate on the web is his or is accurate."

You chose that benchmark, but it's not the benchmark that counts. Laugh all you like, it's good for you.

Trust me, I have been laughing hard at you. You believe 0bama has shown his birth certificate but 0bama has never once said the document on the web is his or is accurate.

You believe by faith, not by evidence, that the document posted on the web means something.

So follow along in your merry little dream safe in the knowledge the hero you worship here is afraid to even mention the document you believe is his.

Have you read his bio? Did you understand what it said?

I petitioned the USA government for my wife to be a Permanent Resident. She's now a Citizen. To do that, my abstract of live birth record (which is very similar to what Obama's people purport to be his evidence of birth), was not an adequate document to prove that I am a USA Citizen. I needed a certified actual copy of the birth record. My wife needed a "literal form" birth certificate from her country's government. Since the birth records in her country of origin are more like a large version of a notary's log book, it is not possible to produce a photocopy. So the wording is required to be typed from the original record and certified by the government agent who made it as being a literal copy. Anyone can go to the public records and examine them. I could not get a passport with my abstract of birth record either, but needed to present the same officially certified picture copy of the original. So why does it seem that the standard of proof of USA Citizenship in order to qualify to be President is so much less stringent than it is for an ordinary Citizen to get a passport or to petition for his wife to be a legal resident? I am not convinced that Barry Soetero AKA Barak H. Obama is the real President of the United States. Some say he was elected by a majority, and that is democracy in action. But pure democracy is a tyranny of the majority, voting away the rights of individuals and minorities. We are a republic with a Constitution--a Supreme Law of the Land. For Obama, or any part of the executive branch, now to require any record of birth more definitive than his own supposed proof of birth for any purpose lower than the position of President is pure hypocrisy. If who he is, and what he does don't fit within the parameters of the Constitution, he cannot be President.

The problem is, Vote Democratic (VD for short), and others like him have been forced to be reluctant apologists for Barry. VD knows damn well that this would go away if Barry would release his LONG-FORM birth certificate. But VD and others like him are reduced to calling us "crack pots" and "Rush-publicans" in a lame attempt to marginalize us because they can't do much more than that to intellectually defend the indefensible. All their Obamessiah would have to do is provide the valid records proving the rest of us wrong. But since Barry obviously can't produce those documents, VD and friends are left with their only defense ... which is to mock the right as if it should be blatantly obvious that Barry is a natural born citizen.

Sorry VD, but you and your paper thin arguments are transparent attempts to avoid the obvious.

BO is hiding something ... he knows it ... we know it ... and if you had an honest bone in your body you would ADMIT that YOU know it.

The "illegal" emperor has NO CLOTHES. And he knows it.

"All their Obamessiah would have to do is provide the valid records proving the rest of us wrong. But since Barry obviously can't produce those documents, VD and friends are left with their only defense ..."

You marginalize yourself.

0bama never released anything. His campaign put up an obviously fake document and 0bama has never once claimed it was his, came from his files, or is accurate.

To claim that 0bama released his birth certificate is a bald faced lie.

His birth certificate was described in his bio as being old an wrinkled.

Where's that one?

Liberals lie.

Notice that they will accuse us of anything and everything, and most of them have been told that they need to blather on and on about us 'marginalizing' ourselves, when it is the LIBERAL who is marginalized.

Look up the word - clearly liberals have been practicing self marginalization for some time. They are content to defend the indefensible. It would be a smart, independent thinking liberal who said, "yeah, you know what? I'd like to know if this man Obama really is eligible to be President!"

But the marginalized liberal, for whom being liberal is more important than being an American and defending the CONSTITUTION, must defend the indefensible.

It does not matter to the liberal today where Obama was born. Throughout these threads, liberals have stated many times, in many different words that they do not care where the hell Obama was born. They only care that he's liberal.

And this is what has become of liberalism in America. F- the Constitution, support Obama at all costs.

And that's why we will win. Liberals are self-defeating, and self-marginalizing.

Some people have adopted the stance from the annals of the Continental Congress and refused to pay the federal government a tax unless their grievances are redressed.

So far 0bama has been able to run amok because the people have continued their monetary support for his regime.

Thankfully we have an action we can use to show our discontent.

Others are using the u.S. v Cryer decision to force the IRS to prove they owe the tax before paying it.

The longer 0bama keeps his birth certificate secret the more people are banding together to starve the federal government.

When the people fear the government there is tyranny.

When the government fears the people there is liberty.

Long live liberty.

You guys still beating this dead horse?

Jimmy, I couldn't agree more. But should I begin by pointing fingers or allow your words and actions to speak for themselves?

To defend one part of the constitution without defending the others is the very action that you decry, yet you openly embrace misconstruing it's intention to support your personal agenda.

OF COURSE, I an all Americans; CONSERVATIVES, Patriots, and Liberals alike would defend our constitution and one's right to legal representation.

The man who murders his wife in cold blood, in front of countless witnesses, is entitled to due process and trial by a jury of his peers.

Is that not the defense of the indefensible?

Let me rephrase that in a manner which cannot be subjected to your myopic and irrational interpretations.

That IS defense of the indefensible.

Your refusal to listen to reason and continued attempts to prove your point through slanderous insults has provided a convenient means to end this irrelevant discussion.

It's time we take Ceadog's advice. Agree to disagree and move on.

I am all about reason.

I only care about the truth.

Truth is by definition reasonable.

It is reasonable to want to know if Obama satisfies the Constitutional requirement of eligibility.

Period.

When you prattle on about some murder in front of witnesses - You are avoiding the issue.

This is a reasonable request: Show us where you were born Mr. Obama.

Show us that you were born here and turn us into a laughing stock.

Unless ... ?

Guess what, we NOW have indisputable proof that Mickey Mouse was ALSO born in Hawaii. Don't believe ME, read it for yourself. It's posted on the web, so we KNOW it HAS to be true...

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x13/Mactographer/birth_certificate_2-1.jpg

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Worse than Watergate, Whitewatergate, or any of the other cover ups of previous administrations, is the question of whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States of America... OR, is he a FRAUD, a USURPER, a man with no legal authority to sit in the position that he now claims to hold?

Barack Obama could simply put the issue to rest RIGHT NOW by releasing his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE! But he WON'T! Instead, he has had teams of attorneys all over the country, fighting "tooth and nail" to thwart the efforts of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF), and our allies in a number of states, to compel him to produce an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and to prove that he is Constitutionally eligible to serve as President of these United States!

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A number of apologists for Barack Obama have gone to great lengths to belittle USJF and our allies in the fight to preserve our Constitution. However, the questions that they cannot answer are:

If Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to hide, WHY doesn't he just make his real birth certificate public? WHY has he spent a almost $900,000.00 in attorney fees, for, among other things, fighting USJF's efforts to obtain his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The more that he fights these efforts to see this document, the more that you have to wonder, WHY?

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The citizens of this country have the right to know if Barack Obama is, indeed, eligible to serve as President! And we here at the United States Justice Foundation are going to take our lawsuit all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary, to find out the answer to this critical question.

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Barack Obama wants you to ignore what he is doing, he wants you to ignore the U.S. Constitution, he wants you to think that the parts of the Constitution that he does not agree with (like the requirements to serve as President) are unimportant.

In effect, he wants to destroy the U. S. Constitution and reshape this country into his own image of what he wants it to be.

And Barack Obama's attorneys have now taken another big step to destroy the Constitution of the United States -- this time in a California State Court. Those attorneys, working with liberal California State Attorney General Jerry Brown, convinced the Judge in our case to rule that only Members of Congress can challenge the qualifications of Mr. Obama, or any candidate, to serve as President.

And, the Judge further ruled that such a challenge could only be made on the 6th day of January following the meeting of the Presidential electors, at the session of Congress where the vote of the Electoral College is counted and the results announced. To use the Judge's words, this is "the exclusive means for challenges to the qualifications of President..."

That means that no one, except a Member of Congress, and only on one certain day of the year following the Presidential election, can challenge the qualifications of a President-Elect! And then, the challenge can only be successful if a majority of the Members of Congress support the challenge! And that means that the politicians, not the people, are in control of who becomes President if there is an eligibility issue!

Is that what you want? Do you believe that the majority party in both Houses of Congress should be deciding who is eligible to serve as President? Do you want Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid deciding who is President?

That means that the requirements of the U. S. Constitution as to the eligibility of the man or woman who runs for President to serve as President are meaningless!

Do you believe that the Constitution is a meaningless document? Do you believe that a majority of the Members of Congress have the right to ignore it? To render it of no force and effect?

The Trial Court Judge in our case did! But we are not going to accept his decision. We are not going to accept the legal arguments made by Barack Hussein Obama's attorneys, and those by attorneys from liberal California Attorney General Jerry Brown. We are going to keep fighting this monumentally important legal battle all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if that is what is necessary.

IT'S A BATTLE THAT WE MUST FIGHT!

IT'S A BATTLE THAT WE MUST WIN!

IT'S A BATTLE THAT WILL DECIDE WHETHER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL REMAIN A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, OR WHETHER WE WILL JOIN THE DUST HEAP OF HISTORY AS JUST ANOTHER FAILED EXPERIMENT!

USJF IS IN A BATTLE THAT COULD CHANGE THE HISTORY OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY! -- but we need YOUR help to WIN!

IT'S A BATTLE TO SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION!

IT'S A BATTLE TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY!

HELP US EXPOSE THE OBAMA COVER-UP -- DON'T LET HIM

RIP OUR CONSTITUTION TO SHREDS!

We MUST learn the truth about whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen!

But to blunt our efforts to learn the truth, the Trial Court also blocked our subpoena for the college records of Mr. Obama! These vital records could have proven whether Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States, or whether he is a USURPER, a FRAUD, sitting in the oval office without any legal authority to do so!

What is in those records? We do not know. But the Obama legal team pulled out all of the stops to block the subpoena, so we believe that there is something in those college records that bears on the critical issue of whether Barack Obama is eligible to serve as President of the United States.

JUST LIKE WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A REASON WHY THE OBAMA LEGAL TEAM, ACCORDING TO A PUBLISHED REPORT, HAS BEEN PAID OVER $800,000.00, and as much as almost $900,000.00, TO KEEP THE PUBLIC FROM SEEING HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE -- NOT THE PHONEY ONE THAT HE PUT UP ON HIS WEBSITE.

There is no doubt in my mind that this e-mail may be the one of the most important documents that you ever read!

What you do after reading this e-mail may well determine the fate of the United States of America!

Please know that we are not saying that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States of America. The problem is we just do not know!

We do know that Barack Obama's maternal step-grandmother has proclaimed that she was present at his birth in Mombasa, in what is now Kenya, in Africa!

We do know that a fake birth certificate was put up on Obama's website!

We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in every case filed over this issue; to make sure that no one has access to his birth certificate.

We do know that Mr. Obama's legal team is doing everything that it can, in our California case; to make sure that no one has access to his college records.

DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!

HELP US EXPOSE THE OBAMA COVER-UP -- DON'T LET HIM

RIP OUR CONSTITUTION TO SHREDS!

The voters of the United States of America have the right to know whether Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen," as REQUIRED by the U. S. Constitution!

It's a question that MUST be answered!

Why? Because, if an unqualified person was elected to the Office of President of the United States, our entire form of government could be compromised!

Why?

Because, if Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible to serve as President of the United States, each and every act that he takes as President will be null and void! That's right, each bill that he signs into law, every Executive Order that he issues, and each and every one of his nominations to his Cabinet and to the federal courts will have no legal effect!

I don't make that statement lightly. It's not an exaggeration.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution provides, in pertinent part, as follows: "No Person except a natural born Citizen... shall be eligible to the Office of President..."

That means that neither Osama Bin Laden, nor California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, nor Obama billionaire money man George Soros can serve as President of the United States. That also means that if Barack Obama was born outside of the United States, he is not eligible to serve as President of our great country!

So where was Mr. Obama born?

He claims to have a copy of his birth certificate. That means that either he knows where he was born, or he's lying about having that document.

And only Barack Hussein Obama's ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE can answer that question of where he was born. But he has teams of attorneys, all across the country, spending, and doing, whatever it takes to make sure that no one, and I mean NO ONE, will be allowed to see the one document that can clear up this controversy

Mr. Obama has claimed that his Presidential administration will be the most transparent in history. Yet, he will not make public the one document that could end all of the questions about the legitimacy of his election as President.

And you have to ask yourself, WHY?

Is it because this is some unimportant "technicality"? No, a requirement of the U. S. Constitution is not a mere "technicality"!

Is it because "President" Obama (if he is the President of the United States) has more important issues to deal with, and can't spare the time to deal with such a trivial issue? No, what is more important than the integrity of the Office of the President?

Or, is there something more involved?

Another question that the Obamaphiles don't want to answer is why, in 2005, was a law firm with ties to Mr. Obama researching the question as to how to evade the requirements of Article II of the United States Constitution, regarding the requirements to serve as President. 2005? Three years before the Presidential campaign?

If that doesn't raise questions in your mind, then nothing will!

And then there's the statements made by representatives of the State of Hawaii!

According to Dr. Chiyome Fukino, of the State of Hawaii's Department of Health,

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Exactly what does that mean? If she can access it, why can't we? It is that very record that USJF financed lawsuits in Mississippi and in Hawaii were seeking to force into the public arena! But Obama's attorneys, and his allies in state government, stopped those efforts cold!

So, the time of decision is now!

Do we give up?

Do we just ignore this threat to our Constitution? To our very form of government?

We here at USJF say NO!

Now is not the time to give up this fight!

Now is not the time to walk away from the most important Constitutional battle in our lifetime!

Now is the time to redouble our efforts to find out the truth!

Now is the time to tell Barack Hussein Obama that the United States Constitution is far more important than his political ambition!

But we can only do this with your help! With your financial support, and with the financial support of everyone that you know!

HELP US EXPOSE THE OBAMA COVER-UP -- DON'T LET HIM

RIP OUR CONSTITUTION TO SHREDS!

Will you stand with us?

Sincerely,

Gary Kreep, Executive Director

United States Justice Foundation

P.S. This is the biggest political cover-up in American history! It would be so simple to release the documents to PROVE Obama is a natural-born citizen... IF THEY HAD THE DOCUMENTS!

Barack Hussein Obama thinks he can get away with DUPING the American people and DESTROYING the U.S. Constitution. DON'T LET HIM DO IT!

HELP US EXPOSE THE OBAMA COVER-UP -- DON'T LET HIM

RIP OUR CONSTITUTION TO SHREDS!

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