Natural Born Citizen is simply jus soli jus sanguinus (both parents US citizens, born on US soil); obviously BHO is not natural born citizen, so what's so complicated? Don't let anybody confuse you: Article I is vetted by the 14th amendment defining a US Citizen, Article II is vetted ONLY by a defined Natural Born Citizen.
This definition has been CODIFIED since 1758.
http://usatodayadforobamarecords.blogspot.com/2008/12/historical-documents-prove-obama.html
Historical Documents Prove Obama Ineligible for Presidency - The Times Examiner: "...our Constitution was based upon the encyclopedic "The Law of Nations," a treatise written by Swiss lawyer and diplomat Emerich de Vattel as a manual for how government should function. Written in 1758, this work was read not only by the Founding Fathers, but was also well-known throughout the colonies among the populace. (so "natural born" did not have to be defined in the Constitution - it was a common term, perhaps like the term “first down” in football or “home run” in baseball – it was a clearly understood term.)
...in Book I, Chapter XIX, part 212, it says: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” Here is the definition the Founding Fathers did not deem necessary to supply since it was already understood. And since Obama’s father was a Kenyan citizen, Obama is therefore not a natural born citizen and is thus ineligible to be President." (Basically, forget the birth certificate!!! This is ALL you need to follow the law and to understand the term from “those days”.)
Here's the link: http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm
Further, Obama agreed to this definition spelled out in S.R. 511, and he himself does not meet the criteria. The most obvious reason is that his father was Kenyan.
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so since this is the case, now what do we do to get him out of office? impeach him? how do we get congress to stand up to him and kick him out?
Those 50 or so suits can't even get beyond corrupt paid off threatened judges for "standing".
The case is slam dunk.
He has been indicted in three state Grand Juries by unanimous votes and many more are coming.
I want to see some transparency.
I want to see an actual Birth Certificate, not some "Certificate of Live Birth".
A "Certificate of Live Birth" is to an actual Birth Certificate about as a fill in "Medical Diploma", that one could get on the internet, is to an actual Medical Diploma.
Lets have some of this transparency! It is very little to ask. We are not suppose to be a Banana Republic without a Constitution.
Again, keep your eye on the tiger...
BHO is not a natural born citizen, carefully read the Constitution
you only need to be a US Citizen to be a Senator/Congressperson
but a Natural Born Citizen is the requirement for POTUS, and is specifically differentiated from a US citizen in the Constitution (Art II s.1)
Anything before the civil war about who is a citizen and who isn't was wiped out by the 14th amendment. Anybody born here is a citizen.
Just read this online and it encapsulates what I think is reasonable for US taxpayers to ask Mr Obama for.
Sadly the longer he doesn't the more inclined people are to think a fraud has taken place.
more importantly should there actually be a fraud then the longer it goes on the more likely that a jail sentence is called for for all involved or have knowledge of it to make amends to the American people.
MIkeNZ
It's pretty incredible that we have a president who gets away with talking about "transparency and openness" when he himself refuses to disclose the most basic personal data – including the only documentation that would establish whether he is constitutionally eligible to serve in the highest office in the land.
We need to see his birth certificate.
We need to see his student records, including those that would show whether he was registered as a foreigner at Occidental or Columbia and who paid his tuition.
We need to see his passport records during the time he was living in Indonesia and traveling to Pakistan as a youth. Did he give up his U.S. citizenship? If not, how did he retain it? Or did he not have U.S. citizenship to begin with because he was never actually born in Hawaii?
This site has been rigged so that the posts asking for Obama to support transparency by providing his own birth certificate, health records and college records are not properly counted, even when they do not get deleted.
I have done a personal count of more than 1,000 requests for his birth certificate. My analysis suggests there have been at least 5,000 request for Obama to produce his real birth certificate, college records, health records and other financial records.
It is possible to review this site to find the most requested ideas by scanning "Top Rated" posts, but the requests for Obama's records do not show up as being top rated. Those runnig this site are cooking the results.
According to the liars running this website the most requested item has NOT been Obama's birth certificate.
(My email is ricardomigrant@aol.com - include your email address if you want me to reply to you)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-krepel/joseph-farahs-lie-about-w_b_152570.html
Creek: Please read our constitution
a plain generic US citizen is ineligible to be POTUS
again, the 14th vets Article I, not Article II, and in Article II a natural born citizen is differentiated from a regular us citizen
the former is birthright to a nation, the latter is granted by statute
so basically we have to hope there is a judge out there tha cannot be bullied or bought off?
This definition of "natural born citizen" is obviously not the case. If one could only become a citizen if his parents were citizens, then only those who directly decended from the first American citizens could be citizens. Everybody else, including the birthers, would not be citizens.
Plain English, "natural born" means born in the United States. I noticed that the section of the Constitution also allowed for a president who was a citizen at the time the Constitution passed, regardless of where he was born. So they weren't out to provide an elite lineage that a president could only come from.
Such would be a plan to create royalty, and that's the last thing they wanted to do.
creeksneakers2
The founding father worded the Constitution in a way that would not put themselves in violation of it. It was actually quite brilliant. May I suggest you take a look at the summary available at TheObamaFile.com or drop a line to the guy that runs this site and see it he will explain it to you. In addition to being president, he is a Constitutional scholar and a professor at Harvard. Or you could just take my word for it, either way, you're good to go.
StrangeTruth:
I'm sorry. I found TheObamaFile.com to be filled with lies and disgusting racism.
I did go to the trouble of looking at real legal scholars at findlaw.com, which is a great site. They report that the "natural born citizen" clause was added at the last minute and without debate. There is no controlling case law on the subject as it relates to presidential qualifications. The idea came from a letter to the framers which gave the purpose of the clause as to make sure we don't fall under the control of foreigners.
All I've ever read and known was that clause meant that the president had to be born in America. The contrary definitions here are unsupported and make no sense.
One can find somebody to say just about anything on the web. Its a very unreliable source of information.
creeksneakers2
Okay, well let me help you out. Admittedly TheObamaFile.com can be a little overwhelming.
Did you see where it has been selected by the Untied States Library of Congress for inclusion into it's collection of historical Internet materials? Now how offensive or inaccurate do you think it really is? But you're certainly entitled to you own opinion.
Now that I got that out of the way, let me offer you something useful than a general nonspecific link. Yes it goes back to the site, however you will see very specific, accurate and historic writings of the founding fathers, John Jay, Emmerich de Vattel, members of the first congress and a few instances of precedent setting case law confirming the meaning of 'natural born' as being born in the US of parents (plural) that are both US citizens.
Please give just one section another try, I'm not trying to be condescending at all but very sincere. After all, you're an American too right? The summary in this section is particularly pertinent and very well done. I'm sure you will find in enlightening. As Americans, it's too bad we don't all learn this in school at some point.
Ya gotta love the web when it's used for such a noble purpose as figuring out what our Constitution means, don't ya? Please give it a try, okay?
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm
StrangeTruth: I did go back to read the one article you pointed out and it wasn't racist. I don't know how honest it is.
I suspect some of the quotes from cases on the page are truncated because of an effort to mislead. There is a question of whether a child born ABROAD to American parents is a citizen. That's very different from a child born here. Since the beginnings of the quotes are cut off, I can't tell which is meant.
When I get a chance, I'll read more of this. Question - Was every other president born to two US citizens on American soil?
StrangeTruth:
I went back to your site and decided to read as much of the court case cited there as I had time for this evening, even though it was edited by someone whose opinion conflicted with mine.
So, I was surprised that the judges opinion didn't support the claim that the framers considered only a person born to two citizen parents to be "natural born."
It turns out that the law of the past three centuries in England that carried down through the American colonies was that being born in England or a British possession was enough to qualify. The key being that the parents were subject to the King. That included everybody who was not either an Ambassador or soldier of an invading army. Since this was the law at the time up almost to the drafting of the constitution, its apparent what was meant by "natural born citizen."
Page 657:
'Subject to the exceptions hereinafter mentioned, any person who (whatever the nationality of his parents) IS BORN WITHIN THE BRITISH DOMINIONS IS A NATURAL-BORN BRITISH SUBECT. This rule contains the leading principle of English law on the subject of British nationality.' The exceptions afterwards mentioned by Mr. Dicey are only these two: '(1) Any person who (his father being an alien enemy) is born in a part of the British dominions, which at the time of such person's birth is in hostile occupation, is an alien.' '(2) Any person whose father (being an alien) is at the time of such person's birth an ambassador or other diplomatic agent accredited to the crown by the sovereign of a foreign state
Page 658:
It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
US v Wong Kim Ark's, link at site.