OpenGov - Open Government Brainstorm

I agree. It is very obvious that he is an imposter. Don't you think it is strange that his grandmother died just before he was elected? I think he had her bumped off so she would be silenced from spreading the truth about his birth. I think his agenda is to cause another civil war in this country......heaven knows we're on the brink of one over his stupidity.

ren- wow... really?

You think he killed his grandmother? You got any evidence to back that up?

You think he wants to start a civil war? How would that benefit him? How would that benefit anyone?

Realize that baseless public accusation is criminal- known as libel. It's not censorship if it was illegal to begin with. Just watch what you say, or run the risk of sounding like a 2bit looney tune.

No, I don't believe he killed his grandmother and did not accuse him of doing so. Also if you notice I said I think......that means personal opinion...not fact.

I apologize for my first comment....I just get very upset when I think of having a president in this country that puts himself above the law. A great leader is one who leads by example. You are right yeti I do need to be careful with what I say.....didn't think anyone would take it the way you did. Sorry.

No problem, ren, I just see a lot of people in the birth certificate movement speaking out of turn... Your arguments would carry more weight if they addressed more facts than the usual baseless emotional accusations.

You have to remember that this guy, like him or not, was voted into office by the majority, and he's probably not going anywhere. If you can't produce any evidence to the contrary, then you have to work under the assumption of innocence. That's how we do it in America- you don't have to like the laws, but you do have to respect them.

yes i think he had GRANNY put out of her misery AlL of Congress is involved in this birth certificate coverup George Bush Bill Clinton all of these tyrants are involved.Anyone who sits idly by and says nothing is complicit.the reason this first negro in office is trying to push through so much destruction to everthing we have ever known in our country is because he knows he is occupying the White House illegally we are in a state of war against a domestic enemy

Democracy:

A government of the masses.

Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.

Results in mobocracy.

Attitude toward property is comunistic-negating property rights.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate. whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

Results in demagogism license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.

A certain Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."

A democracy is majority rule and is destructive of liberty because there is no law to prevent the majority from trampling on individual rights. Whatever the majority says goes! A lynch mob is an example of pure democracy in action. There is only one dissenting vote, and that is cast by the person at the end of the rope.

Republic:

Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.

Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.

Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.

A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.

Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of:

an executive and

a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create

a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize

certain inherent individual rights.

Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

A republic is a government of law under a Constitution. The Constitution holds the government in check and prevents the majority (acting through their government) from violating the rights of the individual. Under this system of government a lynch mob is illegal. The suspected criminal cannot be denied his right to a fair trial even if a majority of the citizenry demands otherwise.

Difference between Democracy and Republic, in brief:

Democracy:

a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority.

b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences

Republic

a: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

b: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

Democracy and Republic are often taken as one of the same thing, but there is a fundamental difference. Whilst in both cases the government is elected by the people, in Democracy the majority rules according to their whims, whilst in the Republic the Government rule according to law. This law is framed in the Constitution to limit the power of Government and ensuring some rights and protection to Minorities and individuals.

The difference between Republic and Righteous Republic is that in the Republic the Government rules according to the law set up by men, in the Righteous Republic the law is the Law of God. Only in the Righteous Republic it can truly be said "One nation under God" for it is governed under commandments of the only One True God and there is no pluralism of religions.

Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.

Mobocracy: 1. Political control by a mob. 2. The mass of common people as the source of political control.