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I am afraid for our country...because of morons like YOU people. It's sad that your parents never taught you how to handle losing, but it would be funny if we didn't have other problems that you think the government should waste time on your ignorant theories.

WHINERS?? Asking a legitimate question, and expecting an honest and complete answer - is not whining, my friend.

This has nothing to do with who won nor who lost - it has to do with the fact that nobody seems to have actually verified this candidate's eligibility. And now 'We, The People'... seek to correct that.

It is, however, a legitimate idea to support and defend our Constitution. The ad hominems attacking the source of an argument rather than the points of that argument simply demonstrates an inability to cohesively and coherently discuss and debate the issues. Generally, this may be due to either a lack of emotional maturity or intellectual ability on the part of those who grossly generalize opposing points of view as "sore-loser, right-wingers", "nonsense posts", or that censorship is needed! Personally, I think that there are some in the "birther" camp who range from having a valid argument, to those who seem to be obsessed with attacking authority in any form by any means. More legitimate concerns have been raised and many are extremely curious about how a relative unknown rose so quickly, yet about which little is known except for media fed snippets and sound bites. We act in the best interest of our country, not our political party or candidate, and act accordingly.

The weaknesses in failing too see the obvious is no excuse for poor behaviour. The country is becoming interconnected through the internet more each day. This will alleviate us from old backward ways of relying on a few oligarchs to dictate by a version of ancient so called wisdom. History has much to offer, but we must be looking towards the future, a future of more open government and transparency of things that really matter in creating prosperity for all moving forward. Were all 21st century citizens, we can not expect that every written word will stand the test of time. Pandering to the lowest common behaviour in decision making techniques carries no weight moving forward. Legitimate concerns acted upon with professional conduct that truly effect the nation can be respected. The abuse of this site for free attack ads should not be supported. Moderation of abuse will be necessary for quality and professional attempts at dialogue

Reading this as a conservative, the whines go both ways.

Best to just ignore or mark it down and move on.

Oh no! Thank YOU, "Right Wing Wacko" "Whiner" guy! I am glad you opened up this dialogue. It gives the idea of Obama maybe not being who he says he is a chance to breathe and grow legs. All I've done is ask one simple question: Where is your I.D.? You use that simple question as a reason to marginalize you fellow Americans. Yeah, I guess I'm just another Extremist for wanting to shed just a little bit of sunlight on this subject..

Wow, do you really think the president of the United States should not be held accountable? This is not about winning or losing. Okay, he won. Fair enough, now let's see the real certificate. If he has nothing to hide, it should be no big deal, right? If he can show one (short form that anyone can get) bc, why not the other one? Seems a bit fishy...

Asking for truth is not some sort of wacko conspiracy action. He is the one who promised transparency and the one who refuses to do as he says....What is the saying....DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO. I am no sore loser, just a patriotic US Citizen that wants to be sure we have a legitimate president.

So are you on the dole too, or are you really that much of a blindly groveling ignoramus?

Why don't you post a legitimate idea as to why Obama's records should remain locked instead of whining and complaining. Perhaps you're afraid that you'll be the sore loser when the truth comes out. I don't think this one's going away anytime soon.

Who's a moron, you people cried for 8 years over Bush, and you're still crying now because eventually your Prez will be outed as an imposter.

So what you're saying is that you have no respect for the free and open exchange of ideas or the political opinions of others, that vary or fail to conform to your own limited tyrannical views. Yeah, like that's news! Here's a hint...this is the land of free speech. We have a little document called the Constitution. You may want to read it sometime.

If you could implement the totalitarian edicts you obviously support, do you have any idea how miserable and controlled you life would be, if you were allowed to live at all? Wake up my fellow American, you're dangerously self-deluded and foolishly advocating your own demise.

Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro and Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, have now both publicly stated that Obama has already released and posted his BC on the Internet, so why won't Obama grant Hawaii permission to release it as well? Trust but verify!

Obama can't produce a 'long form vault Hawaiian birth certificate' because he doesn't have one! He has a CoLB, or 'Certificate of Live Birth', which is not the same thing as a BC and proves nothing except that he was born alive, somewhere. This is because as a new state at the time, Hawaii often issued a CoLB even to foreign born children who were allowed to be brought to Hawaii and registered with the state, provided at least one parent was a legal resident of Hawaii. Even if he did have a real BC, it wouldn't matter since he can not be a 'natural born' citizen unless both his parents are also US citizens. His father is Kenyan.

In fact as the son of a colonial subject of Great Britain, by law British citizenship was conferred upon Obama at birth, irrespective of where he was born. Obama also became a citizen of Indonesia as the legally adapted son of Lolo Soetoro, where he attended a Muslim school strictly limited to only Indonesian citizens. So given the numerous disqualifying eligibility issues, the missing BC is really just an expedient way to demonstrate Obama lied about posting his BC when instead he suspiciously posted an allegedly graphically altered CoLB, which one might expect from an illegal usurper!

TheObamaFile.com

The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com

for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials

This informative site presents the most historically accurate, legally correct and genuinely unbiased credible explanation of the eligibility issue I have found, following several months of studious searching for accurate clarification, of what I now regretfully regard as an illegal usurpation of the office of the President of the United States of America.

Obviously calling onto question the constitutional eligibility of a sitting president is a serious matter, however our president is not above the rule of law. The Constitution is our greatest protection from abusive government. Throughout the history of mankind, political power has frequently been seized irrespective of the will of the governed, often violently. Perhaps owing to our imperfect nature, totalitarianism has more often been the rule, rather than the exception.

Our Constitution as first envisioned and ultimately realized by the benefits of both pen and sword, was founded as a heart felt invention of necessity by men so deathly tired of oppression, that they determined despite any cost, to establish our Constitutional Republic. With the Constitution, our Founding Father's planted a seed in soil richly nourished in blood, so that with similar courage United States citizens might forever more be able to exercise their God given inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in at least one free and just nation upon the face of the earth.

Respectfully, a Vet.

The Constitution still matters,

but only for as long as 'we the people', by continuing to support and defend it, say so!

The Constitution will protect the citizens for as long as the citizens protect the Constitution.

Please consider the following:

http://www.theobamafile.com

Especially this particular TheObamaFile.com page:

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

Who made you the arbiter and judge in regard to whether any particular comments are legitimate or not? I wouldn't be suprised if you were among the "wackos" who whined about a conspiracy in the 2000 election when Algore lost to Bush....

The Obama/democrat/republican/media strategy of trying to ignore, and then trying to marginalize the efforts of those demanding Obamas promised transparency is working GREAT!

For us, that is. EVERY MINUTE Obama waits to produce this information our movement gains momentum.

So keep it up!

Can not do. Not if transparency is the purpose for this model. Our posts must remain. We are Americans too and our voices should be heard. Obama and his admin have asked us.

We could stop wasting alot of time if the fraud would just release the birth certificate. We will be wasting alot more time after he is out of office tring to reverse the damage he is doing to the country. It's amazing that we are the crazy ones when the overwhelming majority wants a simple thing like seeing the birth certificate. Where is the transparency you speak of Mr. Obama.

It's obvious, ' mel7190 ', is a typical liberal, who can not face facts, and try to find out the real truth of his messiah. If the messiah, had nothing to hide, he would just present all of his missing documentation ( everything from his college transcript, selective service registration information, his college thesis, real birth records, hospital records, college application for financial aid, college credit history, articles he wrote as harvard law review editor, court briefs he must have written as a lawyer, etc.), as the rest of us always have to.

It always amazes me, how closed-minded, and incapable, of facing facts and truth, ' liberals' are. I guess Slick Willie, didn't have sex with that woman either ??? Or he didn't have to redefine the word, ' is ' .

It's people like this idiot, who are ruining America, but are too ignorant to see it.

I wish a moderator, would look at this guy and bounce him from the site, based on him lack of intelligence, and his willingness to share that stupidity.

It may be nonsense to you but it is important to people who believe in the Constitution and in the TRUTH! You are wrong if you think the people who want to see the actual long form birth certificate are 'sore losers'. That has nothing to do with it. We just want to know the truth. What, I ask, is wrong with that?

You Left Wing followers of the so called "Messiah" call those of us who love this country, and voted against Sotero "Losers". You are wrong on two (2) counts!

1. We ALL lost when this Illegal Alien was elected by fraudulent "electronic" voting Machines and a few idiots and illiterates, and the Absentee Ballots of hundreds of thousands of our Military and Civilians overseas were IGNORED! That's right 0 absentee Ballots were counted, but, DEAD people voted for the Usurper.

2. You LOSERS who think Sotero is going to do something special and wonderful for you are ignorant morons. You will be in Camps just like the rest of us, unless you are in his personal service.

Don't be calling Patriots Losers, and don't expect anyone to help you when the trucks and Foreign Troops come to take us all away. You're blind.

Evidently whoever decided that this was a good idea had no idea that rabid right-wingers will seize any online forum that so much as mentions government and turn it into an orgy of Obama-bashing. Forget coming up with actual ideas about ways to make this country better, which appears to have been the purpose of this site -- the comments here are a perfect illustration of the paucity of ideas we've come to rely on from conservatives who have nothing to offer but another chorus of "Obama is awful."

cpolo, first we have to get rid of the Illegal Alien, and put an American Citizen into the White House. Sotero needs to be arrested, tried and imprisoned. Then, a complete "do over" of the campaign/electoral process needs to be undertaken using PAPER Ballots counted by members of the VFW, the American Legion, and PTA members. NO government employees, NO ACORN members or Commies. THAT is how we begin to come up with GOOD ideas to bring our Republic out of this horrifying situation. Throwing billions of taxpayer dollars at Soteros friends and backers is NOT the answer. I am a rabid Independent, and a Patriot, which YOU obviously are NOT.

As those on the left prove what fascists they really are. It really shows how badly America needs a Civil War to remove obama, pelosi, reid, and their leftist followers

YIKES.. talk about a "sheeple"... we are in deep do-do with minds like that. It's not about winning or losing, except is your talking about the sovereignty of this country. Wake up you idiot! Move to another country is you want "socialism"... that's NOT what the US of AMERICA is about!

and what if he's born in kenya? does it matter?

Does It matter if he was born in Kenya? Yea it matters. read the Constitution. He should be thrown out of office on hiss Donkey.

People from Kenya make bad U.S. presidents?

Hey cpolo. We are trying to make the country better by getting rid of the imposter in the White House.

theomolleriscool: People from Keny do not get to be President of the United States you idiot! Read (if you can) the Constitution. You must be a foreigner working for Sotero, or just brain dead. This Illegal Alien should be arrested.

see my post here!

http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/4888-4049

Dear People,

How dare you question or challenge Obama’s qualifications? Just who do you think you are, and what right do you have to utter such nonsense? The Supreme Court has determined you have no legal standing. Therefore your continued protests must be illegal, and you should be subject to arrest. We liberals have taken control of the Federal Government and shall proceed to do as we will.

As for the Constitution – it’s just an old scrap of paper – who cares about it, the Supreme Court? We’re just one justice away from fixing that problem for good. After Ms Sotomayor is confirmed, you can kiss that useless document – and the Republic for which it stands – goodbye. This is going to be a democracy now – like all other civilized Counties. The majority (us liberals) will rule and you People will obey – or find yourself in a FEMA camp lunch line.

And please, spare us your incessant barrage of facts – we don’t need them. Reality is what you make it – or rather what we made it – last September. Get over it, move on, stop whining, and get with the program . Who cares if Obama wasn’t born in America, or if he is even a US citizen? It doesn’t matter if he is an illegal alien with no green card. It’s time for America to move beyond being simply a nation with borders. It’s time for America to fully and completely merge with the World community, and abandon the foolish nonsense of sovereignty. One world, one people, regardless of birth place. This is a NEW WORLD ORDER – get used to it!!!

I’ve waited decades for this moment in history. I’m just bubbling over with anticipation for the day when the Department of Homeland Security moves to disarm all you People and confiscate your weapons. HR-45 should easily pass this year which require registration of all your guns & ammo. Then it will be a simple matter to round them all up – just as we did in England & Australia. I’m confident that 90% will comply with the Federal orders. The few hold-outs – if they’re not shot on the spot for resisting – will find themselves in the FEMA camps – at least until they’re executed for treason.

In just a few short months – or a year or two at most – I will no longer have to endure the incessant yammering of you People. You will be quietly working & paying whatever taxes we impose on you – as you should, or you will be shut away in a FEMA camp – where you belong.

We won and you lost - have a nice day.

johnbuergel, I can't believe the drivel that just fell our of you petrified brain!

Are you just stupid? or do you work for the Illegal Alien?

WE The People, hav3e the RIGHT, the God given RIGHT to question ANYTHING you commie.

WE WILL WIN, you will go to prison as a traitor.

Have a nice day yourself you treasonous OAF.

Dear Alfred,

No need to get hostile. Really, it's time to get pragmatic and accept the NEW WORLD ORDER. Otherwise we may not be able to correspond - as the internet may not be available in the FEMA camps.

Dear Alfred,

Did you really vote seven times?

Are all you sheeple sleeping, or what?

OMG... I can't beleive the lack of brain cells some people have. Why would you want to "comply" with ANY orders construed by a government without it's people in it's best interest. johnbuergel: You MUST be a damn commie! Either that or insane. I'm with you all the way Alfred... we cannot give up the good fight to SAVE OUR COUNTRY from all the recent insanity!

johncarbuncle: I voted once. You were found guilty. FEMA your butt, they can't find their ass with both hands. As far as corresponding with you, I don't talk to feces. You wake up, read American History, we'll rip you commies a new rectum, and bury you in them.

Dear Rosepetal,

Please don't hate me. I want you to feel that we can be friends. After all, without you People working hard and paying your fair share of taxes (we, the liberal majority determine what is fair), we liberals would be without resources. We need you (to work) as much as you need us (to rule).

DO NOT use my word johnbuergel! "Sheeple" refers to all the ignorant "sheep" that are following the "Messiah" without question...sorta like Jim Jones, leading you to your demise. But this time, you blindly took the USA's creed, Constitution, and future, with your underhanded, media sponsored circlus of lies & deceit, and made promises to woo the ignorant to vote without any valid information. Check your facts... MOST people DO care about the Constitution, and where OUR country is heading. This is about holding to what you say you stand for, NOT winning or losing. This is a Democracy, and the PEOPLE want some answers...

Thank you rosepetal57: I've fought the commies since I was a teenager, and I'm not about to stop now. The Marine Corpd taught me how to deal with scum like johncarbuncle, he's probably A.G. Holder, by the way he writes. That Commie HAS been waiting years to lord it over the American People. The only order I comply with is the Oath I took many times during my life. I will DEFEND AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN, ESPECIALLY DOMESTIC TRAITORS. The CONSTITUTION LIVES in the hearts of ALL real AMERICANS!!!

Johncarbuncle" I'm not being hostile, just honest.

Johncarbuncle: You'll rule in Hell, and ONLY Hell.

LMAO @ "johncarbuncle... Thanks Alfred, you made my night. You're right, he's not deserving of any further comments. Have a good night!

For you "johncarbuncle" ... I have no room in my heart for hate... only pity, that anyone could be so stupid. Get a REAL life already ... LOSER.

P.S. You're really FUNNY! Liberals are NOT the majority.

Dear Rosepetal,

Technically, we're still a republic where the government is constrained by the Constitution - but not for long. We liberals are on a roll. We’re going to steam-roll over you like a blitzkrieg. Please don’t make me have to come visit you in the FEMA detention camp. FEMA is now under the Department of Homeland Security. So it has teeth.

rosepetal57: You tell him! If only 10% of the gun owners resit you commie cretins, that is STILL more firepower than Sotero can EVER command. You commies will all end up at the end of a loop of barbed wire (a Commie favorite way of executing decent people). You arrogant commie turd johncarbuncle.

Why don't YOU come for me? I'll show you what a Marine can do with his bare hands. Really though, I WOULDN'T SOIL MY HANDS touching you. I've got a Scottish sword just for you. My ancestors have been killing vermin for 1600 years, no time to stop now.

rosepetal57: My pleasure. This dog doesn't understand that America has kicked a** for over 225 years because of her people. We The People, will run their communist tails into Mexico, because there will be no flights out of the Republic for them.

Yeah, Johnthecarbuncle says "technically", Commies ALWAYS use "legal "technicalities" to achieve their Illegal/immoral ends. Well Mr. Carbuncle, technically, you are an A**hole. You'll NEVER see me in any FEMA Camp. I'll be lying dead somwhere, surrounded by the bodies of your FEMA comrades.

Dear Alfred,

I have the deepest respect for American Marines – especially those who have served in combat. I know you are among the very few of us who will take a stand for our country. I pray that we succeed. Yes, I have been pretending to be a liberal – just to see who is out there – and if you realize what we’re up against. Forgive me for offending you. I hope all Marines will stand with us when the time comes.

Well, it's an 83%+ VOTE DOWN! WE AMERICANS will NOT go down without a fight! Thank you Alfred, for your service, your patriotism, and your integrity.

I really don't know what to say to you "johncarbuncle". If this truly was a TEST, then I guess you got your answer. The ones with a brain KNOW what we're up against, and most are willing to FIGHT for what this country stands for.

"We're mad as HELL, and we're not going to take it anymore!"... Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

http://www.teapartyday.com

GET INVOLVED!!!

johnbuergel: Your rhetoric was a bit too pat, after the second exchange, I began to suspect that you were "tweaking" my nose to get a rise out of me. Very well done sir. Thank you. I'm amazed I survived without a scratch, considering the places I got into. Heck of a way for a teenager to spend his first winter out of High School.

I'm second generation American on my Grandfathers side, but my "family" has been here since Roanoke. I love my country. I wouldn't have given up a promising career as a commercial artist to become a professional Marine if I didn't. Well, I loved being a Marine more I guess.

I WILL fight to the death to protect my Family, my Country, my Oath. Millions of us will. God willing, it will be before we decay any further. The "on the doles" will be a problem, as will the Russian Mafia, the Hispanic Gangs, the "Crips & Bloods, the Yakuza, the Tongs, and the venerable, yet despicable Italian Mobsters too. We have a tough road ahead. Good luck to us all. God Bless.

Everyone: One thing for sure, the Sotero "name gatherers have a few more names to add to their list!

A man was arrested on June 2nd for "threatening" Sotero. They wouldn't say what he threatened, just that he's a Veteran, therefore dangerous. Sounds like the Letteres De Cachet are beginning to make the rounds. Veterans first will begin "going away". then others, just like France, Russia and Nazi Germany. I won't be taken alive, or go alone to Valhalla, I'll need dogs at my feet for the trip.

Dear Alfred & Rosepetal,

Check out www.wethepeople.com & www.restoretherepublic.com . They are working hard to correct the situation.

I am already part of them, check out these patriots http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/2009/03/oath-keepers-declaration-of-orders-we.html

This drivel isn't worth responding to.

We will have our country back no matter what.

Our fore-fathers died for it and we won't let anyone take it away, especially not this foreigner.

We won't go away til he does.

mel7190 writes:

There is no point in posting legitimate ideas while sore loser, right-wingers spam the site with "He's not a citizen." whines

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waaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, what a cry baby you are.

Let him open his records and be transparent as he thinks even the CIA should be.

He is a little hypocrite and a fraud

hOWS THAT KOOL AID TASTE?