Since he freely admits his father was not a US citizen, it is obvious that Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen and therefore is not Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS.
Indeed, we don't even know if our President is a US citizen because he refuses to show his LEGAL Birth Certificate!
Mr President, please do your duty by releasing legal paperwork to prove you are qualified, IF YOU ARE!
If those of us who think that a great injustice has been done by installing an unqualified person learn that we are wrong, then we can go on.
If we are correct, the sooner this is corrected, the less damage done.
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Historically, every President has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt their being qualified to hold the office of the President of the United States.
But now, today, Obama and his staff FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL to PREVENT this from coming to light.
If there were nothing to hide, would the documents have been produced a long time ago?
A liar tells more lies to cover the initial lie. This is a hard fact that can be corroborated by any law enforcement agent interrogator around the world.
Obama has PROMISED a transparent government.
He has PROMISED CHANGE.
Ok, then, Mr. Obama, your integrity is on the line here. Put up or resign.
The choice is yours and only yours.
You can do the right thing, which you preach to the people, or you can hide and live a lie.
And, if I am proven wrong, I will apologize to you. On that, you have my word.
This is not a laughing matter. President Obama needs to put this charge to rest by presenting the requested documents.
Check out this website for more information on the eligibility issue:
http://www.thebirthers.org/
RJ
Look at all the trouble headed his way, and ours.
http://americangrandjury.org/
This is a growing concern for millions of Americans, most who do not have any voice with this government but have the potential to roar like a hungry lion.
Its not going away, a wise man would hand over the 15 dollar document ans stop his stone-walling the issue.
That just inspires more determination to uncover his hidden past
Our President talks about being open and honest and then keep very foundational information private. The public can't determine the truth and put this issue behind us unless ALL records are released. It seems obvious to me that our President is hiding something.
BHO:
You are a liar and a hypocrite. You give us all this talk about open government and transparency, while you are spending millions of dollars to seal, cover up, and hide your official birth certificate (if you have one) and your education records.
You have no difficulty releasing top secret documents of the Bush Administration's War on Terror, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy; but where's the document we've been asking for for over a year?
If you have a birth certificate showing the name of the hospital where you were born and the signature of the doctor who attended your birth, then why are you hiding it? If you were born in a hut in Kenya, a birth certificate was probably not prepared. So how did you get a passport to travel in Pakistan?
Either drop all this "open government & transparency" rhetoric, or come clean, hypocrite.
Once again - LET'S FOCUS ON THE REAL ISSUES. The election is over.
He showed the same birth certicate that John McCain showed. But please keep harping on the birth Certificate.
We progressives want you to. Because that will just leave you completely out of any meaningful impact on the direction of the country.
Yes, this is the proper place for wingnut kooks like you.
What 0bama needs to do to prove he is eligible:
1) Release the long form, vault copy of his birth certificate.
2) Release all college records to the public.
3) Show he has never been a citizen of Indonesia - as school records there show.
4) Tell us what passport he used to travel to Pakistan in the early 80's - when travel to Pakistan (or Pokeestan according to Zero) was restricted for US citizens.
Until then I will believe he is an usurper who needs to be removed from office and tried for his crimes against the country.
This is not a right-wing issue it is an American issue. People from both sides of the isle are unsure why BHO won't produce a verified birth certificate as well as his school records. Producing these would stop all questioning but since he hasn't and appears he won't, many more people are asking the question...why not? WE know was born as "Barry"...not BHO so why not remove all shadow of doubt? Heck, he's had time to create one if he didn't have one initially!!
I am not a "right winged nut" - I am a hard working, tax paying American Citizen who resents the efforts to socialize my country. Since the election of this President was orchestrated by the main stream media WITHOUT honest scrutiny of his experiences and past associations, I want to see the long form, legal birth certificate that Obama has gone to great lengths to hide from us. 400,000 American citizens signed a petition to request the 'transparency" that Obama promised and his representative, Mr. Gibbs, demonstrated his lack of respect for those Americans and their concerns by laughing when questioned about it. OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICANS and realize that we have all been fooled by a slick Chicago thug who only wants the power that feeds his community organizer ego. Wake up now and pay attention to the details of his actions because his words are like a finely crafted legal document - a million words that mean nothing to most people, they do not understand the words and they simply wind up listening to the way it is delivered. Your country is dying along with your freedoms and individuality. If there is nothing to hide, then show the long form birth certificate now and we can go on with working for America.
Acoply:
Yes you are a wingnut. You proved it. Normal people are aware that we are far from a socialist country.
Concentrating on Obama's birthcertificate while we are fixing the mess you guys made is just going to ensure that we will continue to win...so get used to being a marginalized fringe group. This just might be the time for the breen party or the Libertarians to finally do away with you kooks.
"Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies, with private ownership of property and of profit-making business. Social democrats also promote tax-funded welfare programs and regulation of markets. Many social democrats, particularly in European welfare states, refer to themselves as "socialists", introducing a degree of ambiguity to the understanding of what the term means." - An excerpt from Wikipedia's definition of Socialism.
How does this apply here?
BHO, by failing to produce his long form birth certificate, has failed to show the truth.
So, making the assumption that he's unqualified to hold office, all the "stimulus spending" and nationalization of banking and auto industries would be rendered unlawful, and we'd return to a democracy, where we the people have the responsibility to regulate ourselves and pursue the American dream.
It also shows what true Democrats are made of.
Personally, I have zero trust and confidence in ANY career politician, as do a significant percentage of the population these days.
Going back to Nixon/Ford in the Vietnam era, and the flat out lies propagated by McNamara and the entire administration then, compounded by Clinton's escapades in the oral office, Blagojevich's attempt to "sell" a seat in congress, and the list goes on and on and on.
Our government vets people via background checks to be in any public trust position.
That includes law enforcement, security, intelligence, and most positions that are involved in national security.
How is it that anyone who can gather enough signatures can run for public office, get elected, and get their hands on the same information that requires a thorough background check if hired through conventional means?
Was BHO vetted by the press?
Nope. They fell in love with him, and couldn't see the forest through the trees.
So, in the interests of truth, justice, and the American Way, SHOW THE FULL VERSION OF YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE, Obama.
Put up, or get gone.
Looks like the Republiklan party cyberterrorists have come to this site to make trouble. It appears bad enough that your party created the climate to kill Dr. Tiller. Now you boorish middle class Republiklan party members come here to cause trouble. What? You haven't made the Republiklan rich man's wet dream yet? Have you no life? LOL
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What sort of insane asylum you like best?
I imagine you have been in several.
No one in their right mind condones murder.
Not of babies or criminals.
You sir are an idiot.
This guy who killed Tiller was a mental case according to his own family and I imagine you knew him personally as you sound just like him
superdaveprc
"Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies,"
Oh you mean new deal liberalism? You mean what FDR did in world war two? You mean the economy that brought us from the Great Depression to economic world dominance that has lasted 50 years? The economy with 90% tax rates on the rich and complete takeover of private industry?
Is that the socialism you refer to? Are you talking about the socialism that brought the US from the great depression to the moon in twenty years and gave average Americans the greatest social mobility and financial success in the history of the world? Is that really what you want to criticize here?
"with private ownership of property and of profit-making business.
I don't have any problem with private ownership and of profit making business...as long as it is controlled in the interests of the people and not the people being controlled the profit motives of a few people.
There is a difference between unfettered free market ideology and commerce. And there is a difference between capitalism and commerce.
In commerce, I provide you a product or service and you pay ME.
In capitalism you pay me for the service, and you pay a whole class of stockholders a cut as well...many of whom have never had anything to do with providing the service, but have either inherited stock that was originally used to finance the start of the corporation or else invested in a stock "aftermarket" which does absolutely nothing to improve production or capitalize a business.
All the capitalization already happened when the stock was first issued.
If you suggest putting a 4 percent tax on gasoline to pay for health care for the poor and save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people you are likely to send conservatives into convulsions.
Yet these same ideologues have absolutely no problem with the fact that we are still paying the great grandchildren of John D Rockefeller 4 cents a gallon for every gallon of gas sold in the United States. What did these great grandchildren ever do to make a gallon of gas? Not a damn thing.
Yet we as a nation would rather allow these people to have every possible need met because their great grandfather owned some stock in Standard oil and allow hundreds of thousands of people to languish and die or be wiped out by medical bills because of some fantasy that we will be the next John D Rockefeller. It's complete and unadulterated idiocy.
"Social democrats also promote tax-funded welfare programs and regulation of markets.
Welfare and regulation...sounds awful, right?
Yes, by all means, lets leave people to die on the street of starvation, to languish in sweatshops with mandatory 80-100 workweeks, child labor, no unions, no worker safety regulations, nothing to stop corporations from polluting as they see fit. Let's go back to the McKinley era with no regulation and no social services. Let's create a low tax, low regulation, little social spending free market paradise like they have...where?...Oh, Chad?, Bolivia, Guatemala?
Why don't conservatives ever point to the unfettered free market paradise they envisioned? The one where the private sector takes care of the sick and poor? The one where the unregulated private sector has a conscience and doesn't pollute the environment, water and air? BECAUSE IT DOESN"T EXIST!
The places in this world that have low regulation and no social spending are disgusting third world cesspools where the vast majority die young from preventable illness, have little opportunity or education and the a few at the top do VERY well and live in ease an comfort.
This scenario is OK with conservatives. They think that they will be the "worthy" "blessed" "hard workers" to get to live the good life on the backs of the masses. And they could care less about the "losers" in life that have to deal with the mess they make of society.
"Many social democrats, particularly in European welfare states, refer to themselves as "socialists", introducing a degree of ambiguity to the understanding of what the term means." - An excerpt from Wikipedia's definition of Socialism.
God forbid we should live in Europe and not Chad.
"How does this apply here?
BHO,
BHO? Is that the new wingnut jab at Barak Obama?
"by failing to produce his long form birth certificate, has failed to show the truth.
What does that have to do with socialism? How does that discredit his policies?...which by the way, are not socialist ENOUGH for MY tastes.
"So, making the assumption that he's unqualified to hold office,
as compared to the eminently "qualified" Bush? Who the hell are you kidding?
all the "stimulus spending" and nationalization of banking and auto industries would be rendered unlawful,
Look you knuckle dragging lowlife...I had to sit around for 8 years watching your thug do REAL illegal stuff...not stimulus and nationalization laws approved by congress, but real criminal acts like torture and warrantless surveillance...no bid contracts...denial of Habeas Corpus and on and on.
I could care less what you think about stimulus. Stimulate THIS pal!
"and we'd return to a democracy,
When you hear a wingnut, knuckle dragging, kook like this guy braying about democracy...it's time to go check the voting machines.
These people are not interested in Democracy unless it suits THEM. It doesn't matter to these people that the vast majority of people in this country support the policies of the president...the will subvert him through any means available if they are not just absolutely stiff-armed and steam-rolled right the hell out of the way.
"where we the people have the responsibility to regulate ourselves and pursue the American dream.
Show me where that has EVER HAPENED! Anywhere! Corporations are required by law to maximize share-holder value. There are, by law, required to do EVERYTHING legal to cut costs and maximize profits. It's a stupid law, but it is a law. That means if it is not against the law for them to dump chemicals in your back yard and that's the cheapest way for them to do it...they would be REQUIRED by LAW to do so.
"It also shows what true Democrats are made of.
As opposed to wingnuts like yourself who think capitalism unfettered by the government to do as it sees fit...regardless of what’s in the interests of society..."are made of."
"Personally, I have zero trust and confidence in ANY career politician,
And I have zero confidence in anybody so brain-dead that they could look at the last eight years and say we need more deregulation and less social spending.
"as do a significant percentage of the population these days.
Right back at you. That's why you guys got SO CREAMED in the last election. That's why you are fast becoming marginalized and discredited. And that's why you guys are no longer taken seriously.
After years of whining about how Reagan could have fixed all our problems if only the republicans had controlled congress and more whining about how it was really the republican congress, not Clinton who fixed the economy...you guys finally had your chance and you completely wrecked the economy.
You guys had 6 years of control of the congress AND the presidency AND the Supreme Court. The American people witnessed the results. "You shall them by the fruits of their labors." We you gave us rotten corrupt fruit. In four years we will se if we are better off and maybe you'll get another chance to do it again, but based on the job creation records of democrats vs. republicans in the last 50 years, I think that's a quote you are going to wish would go away.
"Going back to Nixon/Ford in the Vietnam era, and the flat out lies propagated by McNamara and the entire administration then, compounded by Clinton's escapades in the oral office, Blagojevich's attempt to "sell" a seat in congress, and the list goes on and on and on.
Conservatives love to look at the behavior of others. Then they need not examine their policies and look at their failures.
"Our government vets people via background checks to be in any public trust position.
That includes law enforcement, security, intelligence, and most positions that are involved in national security.
You don't care if he was born here. You don't care if he's been vetted. You are just fomenting mistrust because you, like your great leader Rush, don't WANT him to succeed. But now that you screwed up the economy and got launched from power by the American people no one really gives a damn what you think.
"How is it that anyone who can gather enough signatures can run for public office, get elected, and get their hands on the same information that requires a thorough background check if hired through conventional means?
Sounds like someone doesn't like democracy.
"Was BHO vetted by the press?
Was Bush? Are you saying the corporate controlled media gave Obama a free ride? Why would they do that? Perhaps they saw that another 4 years of republican rule would put THEM into bankruptcy too!
"Nope. They fell in love with him, and couldn't see the forest through the trees.
Or maybe YOU can't. It is a sign of mental illness to say "the world is crazy, I'M the only one who KNOWS WHAT GOING ON!". Dude, maybe the world ISN'T wrong...maybe you are the one who needs to examine his thoughts.
So, in the interests of truth, justice, and the American Way, SHOW THE FULL VERSION OF YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE, Obama.
Truth? Justice? The truth is conservatives didn't support torture, but now they do. Justice is what was road-blocked at every possible turn by the secrecy of the Bush administration.
Let's not get started on the American way...because your perspective of "the American way" varies greatly depending on whether it has enriched you or victimized you.
Put up, or get gone.
Oh no, my friend. You no longer get to control who "disappears" in this country.
Mr. Obama: You're Application for a Postion as President of U.S. is Incomplete
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1To Mr. Obama: Before we can offer you the job of President of the USA, we, like many employers, must see an offical copy of your high school & college transcripts and other academic records. This would include transcripts from all colleges & schools attended by you. In order to be certain of your citizenship status we need to see your passport, green card or birth certificate. This must be an offical long form version of your birth certificate which would have been filed by the health department shortly after your birth. I want to see Mr. Obama's long form birth certificate and his accadmeic records from elementary school attended outside of the US in Indonesia and Occidental College & Columbia Univestiy as well and also his passport. His college transcripts should be submitted, as we the people, are his employer and employers often ask for these items. Proof of citizenship, proof of academic completion. If he fails to produce these documents we could charge him with lying on his application for the job as President. By the Way, the certificate version stamped form 2007 which was submitted online and posted on the stop the smears website is unacceptable. I cannot accept this version from any client I work with in social services and I cannot accpet this version from anyone who wants to apply for the highest office in the USA. You will have a deadline by which these documants must be submitted and authenticated before WE the People can accept. That deadline is 30 days from this date (6/2/09). Failure to produce these documents will drastically impede your ability to run for elected office in the USA again. Thank you and God bless.
Why Is This Idea Important?
Why Is This Idea Important? As stated above, failure to produce these documents will indicate Mr. Obama's ineligiblity for the job of President of the USA and will drastically affect his ability to run for any elected office in the future in the future.
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luvwith what a long winded blah blah blah
Carpenturr. Refute any factual basis in my post or shut the F up.
Doctor2
You aren't the guy who hired Obama and you have nothing to say about it. The well over 60 million of us that voted for him did. And we don't care what you have to say. How does it feel to get steam-rolled? You like being marginalized and powerless. Get used to it. This kind of crap is what got you here.
So How Many People Voted For Obama?
When I went to sleep this morning, the scoreboard read 62.5 million. Now it reads 63.7 million.
I was about to open up a spreadsheet to figure out how many votes are left to be counted, but I decided to stop by Nate's place first to see if he'd already done the work.
He didn't disappoint. According to his analysis, there are another 1.8 million votes left to be tallied for Obama, which would bring his final total to 65.5 million or so. (Which would still be the most a president had ever received.)
McCain, for his part, has about 1.3 million votes left to be tallied, which would bring his total up to about 57.6 million.
Overall, that means turnout will be up by about 2% over 2004 levels. But the real story is that while the Democratic vote will have increased by a bit over 10% from 2004, the Republican turnout will have dropped by about 7%.
Meanwhile, on a percentage basis, 78% of the nation's counties voted more Democratic than they did in 2004.
hey dipwad, yeah you luvwith
You are too stupid to take correction and a waste of time proving you are akool-aide drinking twit.
Take a long hike off a short pier, stupid and try and make me shut up
OK, so what you're saying is that you are too lazy, too unintelligent or uneducated to make a factual argument refuting the points I made or your point of view doesn't stand up to scrutiny based on objective evidence so you'd rather just call me names. Have I got that right?.
And your brilliant correction of me that I am too stupid to take?
"luvwith what a long winded blah blah blah"
Fact is, I don't want you to shut up. You are EXACTLY the kind of guy I WANT speaking for the conservative viewpoint.
to luvwith...
of your estimated 65.5 mil who voted for Obama 8.5 mil are now regretting that they cast their vote for fraud who lies with forked tongue.
A president does NOT only represent the people who voted for him but he should be the president to ALL AMERICANS.
Perhaps you should return to school to study the constitution.
Well, that was quite a rant! Let’s see if I got the high points covered.
“Oh you mean new deal liberalism?”
I wouldn’t equate what’s happening with new deal liberalism. It smacks of socialism with a touch of communism thrown in for good measure.
The principle of our democracy is freedom. Freedom to achieve, succeed, and prosper.
Everyone has that opportunity, whether or not they choose to exercise it.
Everyone in America has the opportunity to live large and prosper, by their own endeavors. Some people figure out how to make a fair dollar, others sleep under bridges.
Americans are guaranteed the rights as specified in the Constitution, no more no less.
“I don't have any problem with private ownership and of profit making business...as long as it is controlled in the interests of the people and not the people being controlled the profit motives of a few people.”
So, what you’re telling me is that, because I own my own business that is solely controlled by me, for my own profit, I’m wrong?
I have had up to 35 people working for me, and all have been paid what they were worth.
Some made $20 an hour, others made minimum wage. Talent follows the money, and happy workers provide better service to the customer.
“Yet these same ideologues have absolutely no problem with the fact that we are still paying the great grandchildren of John D Rockefeller 4 cents a gallon for every gallon of gas sold in the United States. What did these great grandchildren ever do to make a gallon of gas? Not a damn thing. It's complete and unadulterated idiocy.”
Is it? Rockefeller figured out how to make a residual profit from his processes and ideas. He sold the idea to someone else, under contract. This is no different than licensing a design for a microchip, car seat, table, architecture, or widget.
If you build a better mousetrap, and you can sell the idea to someone else, let them build it, market it, and sell it, you deserve a piece of the pie.
“Yes, by all means, lets leave people to die on the street of starvation, to languish in sweatshops with mandatory 80-100 workweeks, child labor, no unions, no worker safety regulations, nothing to stop corporations from polluting as they see fit. Let's go back to the McKinley era with no regulation and no social services. Let's create a low tax, low regulation, little social spending free market paradise like they have...where?...Oh, Chad?, Bolivia, Guatemala? “
With all the labor laws on the books these days, your comments are a little aged. Today, if you work over 40 hours, I have to pay you time and a half. To stay profitable, I minimize OT. The principle of business is to make a profit. People vote with their dollars.
If people like your product or service, they patronize your business. If not, you go out of business. Unions helped get our auto industry into the pickle they’re in. The idea of paying people to sit around and do nothing productive is ridiculous. Every employee has a responsibility to their employer to do their best to help the business succeed. That’s what you get paid to do.
Low taxes spur growth in commerce. Pollution hurts everyone. Regulation costs money.
The better question to ask is how can we reduce or eliminate pollution while improving quality of life issues, and still remaining profitable.
“Why don't conservatives ever point to the unfettered free market paradise they envisioned? The one where the private sector takes care of the sick and poor? The one where the unregulated private sector has a conscience and doesn't pollute the environment, water and air? BECAUSE IT DOESN"T EXIST! “
Sure it does. It’s called small business. Small businesses are the backbone of our society. We contribute more to charity organizations than most corporations, work cleaner, harder, and are more able to adapt to market changes than goliath.
Sick folks go to the hospital or doctor. There’s a bunch of free clinics everywhere. In a free clinic, you get real basic, no frills care. Is it ideal? Nope. It isn’t intended to be. It’ll help you stay alive, so you can work and get something better.
The poor have the same opportunities to succeed as anyone else. Anyone that has a bucket and towel can make money. It’s called creating your own opportunities. Figure out what you’re physically able to do that’s legal, moral, and ethical, and go make money at it. Got psychological issues? We’ve got state hospitals that will give you meds to help you function in some semblance of normalcy. Then, go find something to do to make yourself money.
“This scenario is OK with conservatives. They think that they will be the "worthy" "blessed" "hard workers" to get to live the good life on the backs of the masses. And they could care less about the "losers" in life that have to deal with the mess they make of society. “
Success has never come easy. I pay people to do the things that I either can’t do myself, or it’s more profitable to pay them to do it while I go do something else to make more money. Do I make money on the backs of others? Yes, I do. I pay them for their services every week, and thank them for their hard work.
They won’t get rich working for me, but they will (assuming they can manage their finances reasonably well) have food on their table, a roof over their head, and a warm dry bed to sleep in at night. Other than that, they’re on their own.
“Look you knuckle dragging lowlife...I had to sit around for 8 years watching your thug do REAL illegal stuff...not stimulus and nationalization laws approved by congress, but real criminal acts like torture and warrantless surveillance...no bid contracts...denial of Habeas Corpus and on and on.”
Illegal stuff? Come now. Would you rather be speaking Arabic or German? Let’s flash back to September 11, 2001. Terrorists hijacked airliners, and crashed them into the twin towers, and attempted to hit the Pentagon, but got their butts whipped by the passengers on flight 93.
Do you SERIOUSLY think that, given the opportunity, the Taliban/Al Quaida wouldn’t nuke the US? Do you really believe that we can make peace with these people?
Having spent a little time in their backyard, I can honestly say that these people think substantially differently than Americans. They want us to fall. They want us dead. That doesn’t just mean our military and our government. That means every single non-muslim person on the planet, not just America. In their eyes, we’re the anti-christ. If our military wants to waterboard these people or get information through use of modern pharmaceuticals, go for it. In fact, sign me up – I’ll help pour the water! If it keeps these “knuckle dragging lowlives” away from our doorstep, I’m all for it.
The world doesn’t work in the flowers and bunnies fantasy land you seem to have in your head. There are people out there that want to kill us. It takes hard people to defend against that. That means men and women with guns and other weaponry, to deal death to them before they deal it to us.
“I could care less what you think about stimulus. Stimulate THIS pal! “
Put that little thing away before you hurt yourself.
“As opposed to wingnuts like yourself who think capitalism unfettered by the government to do as it sees fit...regardless of what’s in the interests of society..."are made of."“
The interests of society are to live free and die. What you do between birth and when you’re lowered into the ground is your own business. Is name calling really necessary? Have I been THAT disrespectful of you? I thought we were having a reasonable and intelligent discussion. Besides, I’ve been called worse. It’s usually by the people that I am sending to jail.
“And I have zero confidence in anybody so brain-dead that they could look at the last eight years and say we need more deregulation and less social spending.”
Again with the insults?
“What does that have to do with socialism? How does that discredit his policies?...which by the way, are not socialist ENOUGH for MY tastes.”
Ok, here’s an idea. I’ll give you $100 to spend however you want.
My hunch is that you’d give it to someone or some charity, and that would be the end of that $100.
I’d take that $100, buy 100 widgets for a buck, sell them for two, and do that over and over again, keeping the principal $100 working for me.
Who accomplished more socially?
“Are you saying the corporate controlled media gave Obama a free ride? Why would they do that? Perhaps they saw that another 4 years of republican rule would put THEM into bankruptcy too! “
No, technology is putting the media out of business. Newspapers are going under left and right. Twitter, Facebook, and MySpace are all denting the mainstream media.
Add to that the credibility issues across the board, and people don’t know who to believe or trust. So, the talking heads on the tv news lose viewers, which means less sponsorships and advertising for the company revenues. I really miss the days of Walter Cronkite. That’s about the last time I think that the media had any real credibility left to speak of.
“Let's not get started on the American way...because your perspective of "the American way" varies greatly depending on whether it has enriched you or victimized you.”
Let’s do.
Whether you choose to be a victim or to succeed is your own choice.
You can choose to let the world have it’s way with you, or you can choose to stand up and do something about it.
Being broke sucks. Eating mac and cheese for a week sucks. Walking everywhere sucks. But, there’s opportunity to be had there. You can walk to a restaurant, borrow a bucket, get an empty box and use a marker to make a sign. You can go to a church, and borrow some towels, and probably some dish soap. And, with a little negotiation with the pastor, I bet you could wash cars for a few bucks if you gave back a little to the church at the end of the day.
McDonalds started with two brothers and a dream.
Papa John’s pizza started in a broom closet.
Walmart started as an idea in someone’s head.
My business started on a fast food napkin.
Stand up and fight, or roll over and die.
Your choice. Every day.
I agree with everyone here who wants to see President Obama's long form birth certificate. And to whom ever it is that is monitoring this site and deleting posts that agree with this request we know you're just doing your job, but you've got to stop and ask yourself why is it your job to delete comments that are asking such a simple task to be done. Why would they ask you to remove seemingly harmless posts if Obama is legit. The answer, he's hiding something. You've got your suspicions now it's time that you do something about it.
If Obama is illegitimate than he's harming not just those of us that are calling him on it but those that are covering it up. A secret like this won't last a lifetime.
To the moderators:
While I find this initiative counterproductive, these people are entitled to share their opinions based on the accepted structure of :
ONE THREAD PER IDEA.
This, based on votes and number of comments is the only legitimate thread for this discussion. All others should be considered duplicates but more appropriately, SPAM.
Now to comment on the idea itself.
I propose that the president be required to release his birth certificate on one condition.
All of those who call for the invasion of his personal privacy shall have their own privacy invaded by publicly releasing their names and requiring that each have a copy of the birth certificate tattooed to their foreheads, so that they may forever be identified in public as individuals who are only for themselves and would prefer to engage in the same subversive tactics of their accused.
While this is or was a very legitimate concern where the details of which are somewhat shrouded in half-truths and conspiracy theory, it would be in the best interest of the president to set the record straight.
It is not, however in the best interest of public discourse or the best interest of this unprecedented attempt at the open exchange of ideas to perpetually pester the individuals here and distract from the fundamental task of providing new collaborative ideas to implementing an open government.
You individuals who have tolled through these boards have wasted your own time and mine by refusing to engage in intelligent and responsible debate on the executive implementation of policy and the advocacy of transparency, accountability, and resourceful deliberation in proposed legislative action.
For the last time, it is congress who makes laws, so it is through congress that any arbitration, deliberation, or legislative action will be taken on this topic or any other.
It is neither the role or the responsibility of the US president to vindicate each and every accuser. If you would like to file a formal complaint, do so in writing directly to the office of the White House, pursue legal action through civil or criminal courts, or contact your state representative.
This is neither the appropriate time nor the appropriate place for this discussion.
zauberer44
You wasted everyone's time who reads your silly comments.
There is only one person who is elected to the Oval Office.
His qualifications matter.
For anyone to call asking for verification of the every day quite ordinary document of a birth certificate as a "conspiracy theory" has to be the lunatic him/herself.
luvwith writes:
And your brilliant correction of me that I am too stupid to take?
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The average and below average person can see you are not interested in asking Obama to obey the law, and prove he has qualified for Office of President
Your long winded rant did not change the simplicity of this request, moron.
"luvwith what a long winded blah blah blah"
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luvwith writes:
Fact is, I don't want you to shut up.
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Make up your mind, if possible.
Regardless, I will not be quiet.
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luvwith writes:
You are EXACTLY the kind of guy I WANT speaking for the conservative viewpoint.
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I am not here to speak for anyone's politics you simpleton.
I am here asking Obama to do whats right and show his birth certificate and school records and stop stonewalling what he is obligated to show.
Article 4 US Constitution, read it twit
Amazing to watch all the obfuscation coming from some people for simply asking to see an ordinary everyday document as a birth certificate.
The fight against the simple request is all the evidence anyone needs to see Obama himself has something to hide.
Carpenturr, you are right the qualifications matter - however I cannot justify continuing a debate with one who does not embrace objectified reason.
My ruse was to clarify the absurdity of this call, and the uninformed manner in which it is presented.
If you cannot see my point, than it is a fault of yours as I have over 200 years of legal precedence on my side.
Whether you are in agreement or not is of little consequence as no one can force a sleight of hand in this instance except your congressional representatives or your court system.
So keep doing what you are doing, and your calls will continue to fall on deaf ears. I offer a solution, but one that takes away your excuse to complain vehemently and decry foul-play. What is it you really want?
Before you give me the "We the people..." speech, consider that we have not called to arms in the past 10 months (or Eight years) for the untold atrocities committed against all Americans and in our good name abroad, or those committed openly against the constitution; what makes you think this will be the straw?
An excellent source of information on the Obama constitutional eligibility issue:
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/
http://www.thebirthers.org/
RJ
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Carpenturr, you are right the qualifications matter - however I cannot justify continuing a debate with one who does not embrace objectified reason.
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I never asked you for a debate.
In this country we have common law and Constitution.
You bring nothing that is uncommon.
So stop making this about you, it isn't.
This is a very simple request.
Transparency, we have NONE from Obama and his friends.
They use the word and then show themselves cynical.
No need for any one to talk and talk and talk, JUST SHOW THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND SCHOOL RECORDS.
Forget your speech making
Ahh, but you did ask for debate by posting your opinion to a website designed SPECIFICALLY for that purpose. If you didn't want debate, you wouldn't be here.
And again, the tried tactic of personifying your weaknesses onto your opponent in attempt to distract from your own. this is not about me, it never was. It is about your problem with not getting your way. Am I wrong? Present your case.
I find it humorous that these calls for transparency come at such a convenient time. Where was this zealous pursuit in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, or even 2007 when transparency was all but stricken from the dictionary? Where was it in 2008 when your bank took all your money and told you it was your fault?
In fact, where are those calls now?
You don't want transparency or accountability; you want a kangaroo court, and you're not goona get it unless you do something about it. You can scream all you want but no one will listen until you make a rational argument.
your actions, or rather your lack thereof, are much louder than your words. If you have evidence that his birth certificate is forged, then initiate court proceedings. A serious accusation such as this warrants investigation. I guarantee you any rationally articulated concerns will not be dismissed by the supreme court, particularly one with as much radical support as this.
Put your money where your mouth is, and I'll stand by you every step of the way.
zauberer44: Are you kidding me!! The reason transparency wasn't an issue for the last 8 years was because the media did their job. They asked the tough questions. The media hasn't touched this with a 10 foot pole. We're not saying his birth certificate was forged. We're saying we've never seen it. It costs $20 but instead Obama has a team of lawyers protecting that certificate from being released. Even you have got to wonder why they wouldn't just release it. Seriously, shut us "loonies" up by making fools of us and show the the stinkin' birth certificate.
zauberer44
Ahh, but you did ask for debate by posting your opinion to a website designed SPECIFICALLY for that purpose. If you didn't want debate, you wouldn't be here.
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What is there to debate?
I am here to make a request.
You do not seem to like me making a request.
You also make accusations at me for asking obama for transparency.
You are here to debate the need for transparency, not me.
I am asking for transparency from obama, not you.
You are immaterial to this request.
I do not really care who you are or what you have to say, honest.
I have a simple request for transparency from obama and that is what this site days it is about.
Not you or your arguments.
I find them useless for the simple answers to the request.
Show us your birth certificate and school records Mr obama.
You are the only one who is not being transparent.
Stop stonewalling Mr obama, this is not going away
zauberer44 writes:
And again, the tried tactic of personifying your weaknesses onto your opponent in attempt to distract from your own. this is not about me, it never was. It is about your problem with not getting your way. Am I wrong? Present your case.
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Here is my case
Obama
Show us your birth certificate.
Show us your school records
Show us what passport you used in 1981 in your travel to Pakistan.
zauberer44
You may be the smartest man who ever lived, so I would expect you to be able to understand this is not about you or me.
I cannot say it any plainer than I have said it.
I want transparency from obama, whose real name is/was Barry Soetoro up and til at least 1981.
I have the records of his mothers divorce from Lolo Soetoro to show him as a dependent of Lolo up til that time.
If Barry had his name changed to Barack Obama, then we want to see the legal papers he filed to have his name changed.
No debate is needed, just give us transparency
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The media asked tough questions huh?
Was one of those questions "where is the proof that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction"? Was one of those questions, "Where is the proof that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11"? Was one of those questions, "New Orleans has been underwater for 3 days, the Canadian mounted police are here, where is our national guard?"
If it was, then they certainly asked it quietly.
I'll concede that the media is in love with our current administration, though I do not understand your investment in holding mainstream media accountable to anyone other than those who pay it's bills. It is a futile act to think that CNN, Fox, MSNBC, or any of the others would serve anyone except those who write the paychecks. Last time I checked, that wasn't you or me - at least not directly.
Carpenturr, I guess the discussion is over since we have moved so far from the initial point that all semblance of it is obscured in insult and accusation bearing no consequence of you taking due action on your own behalf.
I truly wish you the best of luck in your pursuit as I would be genuinely interested to see these results, though it is highly unlikely to happen without a champion.
zauberer44 writes:
Carpenturr, I guess the discussion is over since we have moved so far from the initial point that all semblance of it is obscured in insult and accusation bearing no consequence of you taking due action on your own behalf.
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Sir
I have explained my reason to be here on this site.
I want this Government to live up to THE TRANSPARENCY THEY CYNICALLY identified this site is about.
Obfuscation is what this Government is into, NOT TRANSPARENCY.
(unless it has something to do with the prior admin, then they want everything exposed that makes them look bad)
I am not interested in all the political arguments THOUGH,including yours.
I want TRANSPARENCY and i will never stop asking for TRANSPARENCY FROM obama and this cynical administration.
Show us the Birth certificate and the school records.
PERIOD
Lots of good essays and writings at this site on this thread's topic:
http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105
RJ
This post is popular but not nearly as popular as the posts asking for Obama to make his birth certificate, college record, health records and the like available.
Count Birth Certificate comments here and you will get over 7,000 But, this site has been rigged so that the posts asking for Obama to support transparency by providing his own birth certificate, health records and college records are not properly counted, even when they do not get deleted. All of the multiple posts would not need to exist if the honest reporting of this site showed the number one request here is for Obama to release his records.
I have done a personal count of more than 1,000 requests for his birth certificate. My analysis suggests there have been at least 7,000 request for Obama to produce his real birth certificate, college records, health records and other financial records.
It is possible to review this site to find the most requested ideas by scanning "Top Rated" posts, but the requests for Obama's records do not show up as being top rated. Those runnig this site are cooking the results. If the results were honest people would be able to continue to vote on a single post asking for transparency of Obama's records.
According to the liars running this website the most requested item has NOT been Obama's birth certificate.
(My email is ricardomigrant@aol.com - inlcude your email address if you want me to reply to you)